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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #750 on: May 31, 2024, 11:05:34 am »
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #751 on: May 31, 2024, 11:08:20 am »

1.) Michael Cohen was a lawyer ... engaged in a criminal activity ... as a co-conpirator ... in a criminal conspiracy ... to violate Federal Election Campaign Contribution Laws ... by means of fraudulent business records ... of an LLC/Corp (Trump Org) registered in, and regulated by, the State of New York ... and obligated to maintain proper, legal, accurate business records for tax and legal reasons.  Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to Federal charges for this same conduct.

2.) Michael Cohen did not submit "legal bills" to Donald Trump ... The Trump Org created false invoices for an amount greater than $130,000 ... to conceal an illegal in-kind political contribution as a business expense for the Trump Org and as 1099 taxable income for Michael Cohen.

3.) The payment invoices were fraudulently logged as business legal expenses by the Trump Org CFO to conceal Michael Cohen's illegal in-kind campaign contribution of $130,000 to the benefit of the Trump 2016 campaign that was used to prevent the public release of the Stormy Daniels encounter.

4.) The fraud was Trump Org (registered in and regulated by the State of New York) CFO and CEO's falsifying business records to conceal the commission of other crimes.

5.) The acts of a conspiracy, formed in 2015, to prevent the publication of embarassing, but true, information throughout the Trump 2016 Campaign, that included Michael Cohen making an illegal in-kind $130,000 campaign contribution made in October, 2016, to hide truth from American voters to benefit the Trump 2016 campaign, and using fraudulent Trump Org business invoices and checks in 2017 to conceal that illegal $130,000 in-kind political contribution, may have impacted the results of the 2016 Presidential election ... but we'll never really know because the conspiracy, formed in 2015, carried out in 2016, and concealed by fraudulent 2017 Trump Org invoices and checks deprived the American voters of the opportunity to make that decision for themselves.

The 2017 Trump Org fraudulent invoices and checks were payment and concealment of Michael Cohen's October, 2016, $130,000 illegal in-kind campaign contribution to keep Stormy Daniels out of the news as part of the 2015 conspiracy to capture and kill stories that my harm the Trump 2016 Campaign.

If Trump had paid $130,000 out of his personal checking account, instead of Trump Org funds, to pay-off Stormy Daniels, there would have been no crime committed.  It was the cover-up of the October, 2016, payment to Stormy Daniels that is the crime.

Much like Watergate, it was the cover-up and follow the money that got Trump in legal trouble.



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1)  Is (was) Michael Cohen a lawyer?

2)  Did lawyer Cohen submit 'legal' bills to Donald Trump?

3)  Were these legal expenses logged as legal expenses by a bookkeeper experienced in categorizing expenses to lawyers as "legal expenses"?

4)  Was anyone defrauded?

5)  Did the act of paying an expense to a lawyer in 2017 influence the 2016 election?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #752 on: May 31, 2024, 11:09:51 am »
Quote from: Elderberry on May 31, 2024, 09:50:51 am
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Megyn Kelly calls for retribution and revenge.

We're going to start putting Democrats in prison.

https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1796421844423356899

Nice thought but when you have a DOJ that is so corrupt and full of DEMS and GOPe's that's a might tall dream.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #753 on: May 31, 2024, 11:12:29 am »
Dust off the law books. Make the charges bizarre and outlandish. Be sure they're the first ones charged in the last 100 years.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #754 on: May 31, 2024, 11:13:09 am »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 31, 2024, 11:08:20 am
1.) Michael Cohen was a lawyer ... engaged in a criminal activity ... as a co-conpirator ... in a criminal conspiracy ... to violate Federal Election Campaign Contribution Laws ... by means of fraudulent business records ... of an LLC/Corp (Trump Org) registered in, and regulated by, the State of New York ... and obligated to maintain proper, legal, accurate business records for tax and legal reasons.  Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to Federal charges for this same conduct.

2.) Michael Cohen did not submit "legal bills" to Donald Trump ... The Trump Org created false invoices for an amount greater than $130,000 ... to conceal an illegal in-kind political contribution as a business expense for the Trump Org and as 1099 taxable income for Michael Cohen.

3.) The payment invoices were fraudulently logged as business legal expenses by the Trump Org CFO to conceal Michael Cohen's illegal in-kind campaign contribution of $130,000 to the benefit of the Trump 2016 campaign that was used to prevent the public release of the Stormy Daniels encounter.

4.) The fraud was Trump Org (registered in and regulated by the State of New York) CFO and CEO's falsifying business records to conceal the commission of other crimes.

5.) The acts of a conspiracy, formed in 2015, to prevent the publication of embarassing, but true, information throughout the Trump 2016 Campaign, that included Michael Cohen making an illegal in-kind $130,000 campaign contribution made in October, 2016, to hide truth from American voters to benefit the Trump 2016 campaign, and using fraudulent Trump Org business invoices and checks in 2017 to conceal that illegal $130,000 in-kind political contribution, may have impacted the results of the 2016 Presidential election ... but we'll never really know because the conspiracy, formed in 2015, carried out in 2016, and concealed by fraudulent 2017 Trump Org invoices and checks deprived the American voters of the opportunity to make that decision for themselves.

The 2017 Trump Org fraudulent invoices and checks were payment and concealment of Michael Cohen's October, 2016, $130,000 illegal in-kind campaign contribution to keep Stormy Daniels out of the news as part of the 2015 conspiracy to capture and kill stories that my harm the Trump 2016 Campaign.

If Trump had paid $130,000 out of his personal checking account, instead of Trump Org funds, to pay-off Stormy Daniels, there would have been no crime committed.  It was the cover-up of the October, 2016, payment to Stormy Daniels that is the crime.

Much like Watergate, it was the cover-up and follow the money that got Trump in legal trouble.
@DefiantMassRINO   You are understanding what has just happened, right?  This wasn't justice this was a way to once again interfere in an election.

Trump is merely a buffer.  The left is demonstrating that they will stop at absolutely nothing to remain in power.

No worries.  Next they'll be coming for you...unless you decide to join them and even at that remember that everyone is expendable.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #755 on: May 31, 2024, 11:16:35 am »
Quote from: libertybele on May 31, 2024, 11:13:09 am
@DefiantMassRINO   You are understanding what has just happened, right?  This wasn't justice this was a way to once again interfere in an election.

Trump is merely a buffer.  The left is demonstrating that they will stop at absolutely nothing to remain in power.

No worries.  Next they'll be coming for you...unless you decide to join them and even at that remember that everyone is expendable.

I am sure he's already on the "safe list."  Look at his posts...he's never taken a stand about Sloe Joe's raping of America.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #756 on: May 31, 2024, 11:20:59 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on May 31, 2024, 10:27:24 am
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I'm not going to be as charitable as some on one point. Many are rushing to say, "Don't blame the jurors. They were led by the corrupt judge, etc." We don't need to take this position to emphasize Merchan's corruption. False choice. These jurors have a duty too -- and they failed

I fully agree...  I've kept up, and IMO these 12 POS NY'ers are as much of political hacks as the jurist running this kangaroo exercise.

Future?  85K armed IRS agent gotta do sumptin'
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #757 on: May 31, 2024, 11:24:38 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 31, 2024, 11:16:35 am
I am sure he's already on the "safe list."  Look at his posts...he's never taken a stand about Sloe Joe's raping of America.

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #758 on: May 31, 2024, 11:24:47 am »
Quote from: Elderberry on May 31, 2024, 09:50:51 am
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Megyn Kelly calls for retribution and revenge.

We're going to start putting Democrats in prison.

https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1796421844423356899
Begin with Hillary Clinton
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #759 on: May 31, 2024, 11:26:39 am »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on May 31, 2024, 11:24:47 am
Begin with Hillary Clinton

And don't stop until you hang them all!
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #760 on: May 31, 2024, 11:28:29 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on May 31, 2024, 10:33:52 am
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All the Trump supporters calling on red state DAs to criminally prosecute  democrats don’t realize their problem. Juries of ordinary citizens will not convict someone without evidence.

Is she willing to bet the "Big Guy"'s 10% cut on that assertion?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #761 on: May 31, 2024, 11:28:49 am »
12 (Jurors) x 34 (Counts) = 408 times a juror was convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump committed a felony.

Trump conducts himself as a racketeer that engages in conspiracies with persons who act as co-conspirators that will take the fall for Donald.

MAGA is a death cult of personality.  Republican enablers, and the Party, will go down with the Trump ship.

It's Trump's Republican Party.
It's Trump's US House of Representatives.
They are Trump's Congressmen and Trump's Senators.

Their loyalty to Trump is greater than their loyalty to anything or anyone else - God, Country, Family, Truth, Constitution, etc.

Trump's Republican Party is conducting itself as an organized crime syndicate.  Everyone in Trump's orbit should realize that they have positioned themselves to be future indicted co-conspirators for Donald's crimes, schemes, and conspiracies.

Good luck with that.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #762 on: May 31, 2024, 11:29:25 am »
Quote from: Bigun on May 31, 2024, 11:26:39 am
And don't stop until you hang them all!

The GOP is the proverbial bringing a knife to a gun fight. 

That crap's gotta stop.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #763 on: May 31, 2024, 11:31:41 am »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 31, 2024, 11:28:49 am
12 (Jurors) x 34 (Counts) = 408 times a juror was convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump committed a felony.

Trump conducts himself as a racketeer that engages in conspiracies with persons who act as co-conspirators that will take the fall for Donald.

MAGA is a death cult of personality.  Republican enablers, and the Party, will go down with the Trump ship.

It's Trump's Republican Party.
It's Trump's US House of Representatives.
They are Trump's Congressmen and Trump's Senators.

Their loyalty to Trump is greater than their loyalty to anything or anyone else - God, Country, Family, Truth, Constitution, etc.

Trump's Republican Party is conducting itself as an organized crime syndicate.  Everyone in Trump's orbit should realize that they have positioned themselves to be future indicted co-conspirators for Donald's crimes, schemes, and conspiracies.


Bullshit!!!!!   I've been an extremely vocal Trump critic, but smart enough to know when this country has hit a critical turning point.  So stop with the broad brush silliness.

I think you've lost your mind.....  So go ahead and put on your Biden knee pads, and move on,
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #764 on: May 31, 2024, 11:32:09 am »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 31, 2024, 11:28:49 am
12 (Jurors) x 34 (Counts) = 408 times a juror was convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump committed a felony.

Trump conducts himself as a racketeer that engages in conspiracies with persons who act as co-conspirators that will take the fall for Donald.

MAGA is a death cult of personality.  Republican enablers, and the Party, will go down with the Trump ship.

It's Trump's Republican Party.
It's Trump's US House of Representatives.
They are Trump's Congressmen and Trump's Senators.

Their loyalty to Trump is greater than their loyalty to anything or anyone else - God, Country, Family, Truth, Constitution, etc.

Trump's Republican Party is conducting itself as an organized crime syndicate.  Everyone in Trump's orbit should realize that they have positioned themselves to be future indicted co-conspirators for Donald's crimes, schemes, and conspiracies.

Good luck with that.



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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #765 on: May 31, 2024, 11:34:41 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on May 31, 2024, 11:31:41 am

Bullshit!!!!!   I've been a extremely vocal Trump critic, and smart enough to know when this country has hit a turning point.  So stop with the broad brush silliness.

You've lost your mind.....  Go ahead and put on your Biden knee pads, and move on,

I'd make a sizable wager that @DefiantMassRINO has NEVER cast a vote for a republican in his entire life.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #766 on: May 31, 2024, 11:39:33 am »
For the Merchan supporters above:


https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1796290488976228406

"Anyone who defends this verdict is a danger to you and your family."
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #767 on: May 31, 2024, 11:42:37 am »
Trump is not a fiscal conservative.
Trump is not a Constitutional conservative.

Trump aspires to be America's first absolute monarch.

I voted for Trump in the 2016 GOP Primary.
I voted for Trump in the 2016 Presidential Election.

Who else does the GOP have to offer than Trump?

What else does the GOP have to offer than MAGA?

Without Trump, the GOP is just a wing of the UniParty that has been selling out America and Americans for the past 30+ years.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #768 on: May 31, 2024, 11:45:58 am »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 31, 2024, 11:42:37 am
Trump is not a fiscal conservative.
Trump is not a Constitutional conservative.

Trump aspires to be America's first absolute monarch.

I voted for Trump in the 2016 GOP Primary.
I voted for Trump in the 2016 Presidential Election.

Who else does the GOP have to offer than Trump?

What else does the GOP have to offer than MAGA?

Without Trump, the GOP is just a wing of the UniParty that has been selling out America and Americans for the past 30+ years.

 **nononono*

Provide one iota of proof that Trump wants to be absolutel Monarch....  Just one

Say's the member with a jailed Trump screen shot.  Gotcha.....
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #769 on: May 31, 2024, 11:48:00 am »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 31, 2024, 11:42:37 am
Trump is not a fiscal conservative.
Trump is not a Constitutional conservative.

Trump aspires to be America's first absolute monarch.

I voted for Trump in the 2016 GOP Primary.
I voted for Trump in the 2016 Presidential Election.

Who else does the GOP have to offer than Trump?

What else does the GOP have to offer than MAGA?

Without Trump, the GOP is just a wing of the UniParty that has been selling out America and Americans for the past 30+ years.

If not Trump..who would be your ideal Conservative/Repub candidate?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #770 on: May 31, 2024, 11:51:49 am »
I supported Asa Hutchinson during the GOP Primary.

I will not support any candidate that aligns himself or herself with Trump because they lack principled moral fortitude to do the next right thing.  They are willing to sell their souls for proximity to power.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #771 on: May 31, 2024, 11:54:32 am »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 31, 2024, 11:51:49 am
I supported Asa Hutchinson during the GOP Primary.

Got it! That makes perfect sense!  RINO likes RINO!
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #772 on: May 31, 2024, 11:59:09 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on May 31, 2024, 11:48:00 am
If not Trump..who would be your ideal Conservative/Repub candidate?

Have you ever heard a Biden voter actually say he/she is a Biden voter?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #773 on: May 31, 2024, 12:11:08 pm »
 Megyn Kelly and Dan Abrams brawl over Trump guilty verdict: ‘You don’t know what you’re talking about!’
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Published May 31, 2024, 11:27 a.m. ET

Dan Abrams invited Megyn Kelly on to his NewsNation show on Thursday to discuss former President Donald Trump’s conviction in a Manhattan court hours earlier in what turned into a heated debate over whether the guilty verdict was justified.

When Abrams said that Trump was guilty of violating campaign finance laws, Kelly hit back, saying: “Wrong! You don’t know what you’re talking about! You’re wrong!”

Trump on Thursday was convicted by a Manhattan jury of 34 counts of falsifying business documents related to a hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels.

Kelly hit out at Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who she labeled a “partisan hack” who “doesn’t want to prosecute any crime unless it’s by a man named Trump.”

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https://nypost.com/2024/05/31/media/megyn-kelly-and-dan-abrams-brawl-over-trump-conviction/
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #774 on: May 31, 2024, 12:23:58 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 31, 2024, 11:59:09 am
Have you ever heard a Biden voter actually say he/she is a Biden voter?

That we even have a poster putting up a pic with Trump in jail is pretty disgusting,
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