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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #650 on: May 30, 2024, 10:50:42 pm »
    Easy, Elect Nominees who kept their Baggage, from 20 years ago, in a since been burned down Greyhound Bus Station.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #651 on: May 30, 2024, 10:57:10 pm »
It took a guy from Bogota Columbia (Merchan) to bring down America. Good on ya Democrats!
Liberals are idiots. Liberals believe that if they shit and piss in their own bed often enough, eventually they will have the whole bed to themselves.
Nobody else will want to sleep there, except them ... they sleep in piss and shit and love it.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #652 on: May 30, 2024, 11:00:44 pm »
1.) Don't cheat on your wife ...
2.) with an adult film actress ....
3.) and use an illegal in-kind political contribution ...
4.) to keep it off the front page of the National Enquirer ...
5.) and create fraudulent business records ...
6.) to launder the re-imbursement money ....
7.) as a completely legit legal expense ...
8.) but leave an evidence trail ...
9.) that unanimously convinces 12 jurors that you have committed a felony ....
10.) 34 times over.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #653 on: May 30, 2024, 11:03:40 pm »
Quote from: 240B on May 30, 2024, 10:42:23 pm
@corbe

Yes! Of course! A "public servant" with $50 million is the same as an international real-estate magnate with millions.
Don't know what I was thinking? Obviously it is the same thing.

   It will probably be $200M by mid-week, if an Asteroid don't strike Earth.  Trump is worth between 1 or 2 Billion $$$  ...let that sink in...   The Man that was gonna self-finance his own Campaign in 16  :shrug:



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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #654 on: May 30, 2024, 11:06:04 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on May 30, 2024, 10:24:13 pm
running for office is not a "get out of jail free" card .

So what was the crime?  If you insist on polluting this board with Democrat talking points, then you better damn well be prepared to defend them.  Again, what was the crime?  Please be specific.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #655 on: May 30, 2024, 11:09:26 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 30, 2024, 11:00:44 pm
1.) Don't cheat on your wife ...
2.) with an adult film actress ....
3.) and use an illegal in-kind political contribution ...
4.) to keep it off the front page of the National Enquirer ...
5.) and create fraudulent business records ...
6.) to launder the re-imbursement money ....
7.) as a completely legit legal expense ...
8.) but leave an evidence trail ...
9.) that unanimously convinces 12 jurors that you have committed a felony ....
10.) 34 times over.

 3)  It wasn't illegal
 5)  No fraudulent business records
 6)  No money was laundered
 9)  The jury wasn't convinced by evidence since there was no evidence of a crime presented to them at trial.
10) Not one juror cited any of the 34 'crimes' [sic] in their guilty verdict.  Not one.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #656 on: May 30, 2024, 11:09:34 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 30, 2024, 11:00:44 pm
1.) Don't cheat on your wife ...
2.) with an adult film actress ....
3.) and use an illegal in-kind political contribution ...
4.) to keep it off the front page of the National Enquirer ...
5.) and create fraudulent business records ...
6.) to launder the re-imbursement money ....
7.) as a completely legit legal expense ...
8.) but leave an evidence trail ...
9.) that unanimously convinces 12 jurors that you have committed a felony ....
10.) 34 times over.

I once thought you had a brain. Sorry to discover that I was wrong about that. @DefiantMassRINO
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #657 on: May 30, 2024, 11:10:23 pm »
WHAT WAS THE CRIME!?
WHAT DID TRUMP DO? (nobody knows)

something about bookkeeping and the whore ... or something? nobody knows ...
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #658 on: May 30, 2024, 11:11:05 pm »
I may be a moron, but at least I am not a 34-time convicted felon.

Quote from: Bigun on May 30, 2024, 11:09:34 pm
I once thought you had a brain. Sorry to discover that I was wrong about that. @DefiantMassRINO
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #659 on: May 30, 2024, 11:13:13 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 30, 2024, 11:11:05 pm
I may be a moron, but at least I am not a 34-time convicted felon.

And if Trump were as cowardly as you, he wouldn't be either.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #660 on: May 30, 2024, 11:13:47 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 30, 2024, 11:11:05 pm
I may be a moron, but at least I am not a 34-time convicted felon.

Convicted of what?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #661 on: May 30, 2024, 11:14:48 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 30, 2024, 11:11:05 pm
I may be a moron, but at least I am not a 34-time convicted felon.

You don't think the left and their newly armed judical  can trump up some bullshit charges on you for something vague or obscure in the last 10 years?  And not only charge but convict you of a faux-felon?

And since you apparently live in bright blue Massachusetts, you should be especially worried. 

I'm a Texan, so I got some time before worrying.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #662 on: May 30, 2024, 11:15:41 pm »

... in simple terms: conspiracy to commit fraud

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Convicted of what?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #663 on: May 30, 2024, 11:16:58 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 30, 2024, 11:15:41 pm
... in simple terms: conspiracy to commit fraud

You mean the falsification of records charge?  Have you ever made (accidentally) a mistake on your 1040?  Hate to tell you, but intentional or not, that STILL qualifies as a falsification of a record.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #664 on: May 30, 2024, 11:19:04 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on May 30, 2024, 10:25:27 pm
oh, using campaign funds for personal use. Now we get into the embezzlement part!

Personal use?  Do go on.  Tell us about this 'personal use'.


Quote from: jmyrlefuller on May 30, 2024, 10:25:27 pm
Now we get into the embezzlement part!

The only embezzlement part was Michael Cohen stealing from a vendor that Trump was paying, which he admitted to under oath.  The vendor billed $50k.  Trump gave Cohen the $50k to settle the bill.  Cohen only paid them $20k and pocketed the remainder, telling everyone how cheap Trump was.

So again, back to this crime you allege took place.  What was the crime?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #665 on: May 30, 2024, 11:19:57 pm »

... 34 times is not an accident nor a mistake

Quote from: catfish1957 on May 30, 2024, 11:16:58 pm
You mean the falsification of records charge?  Have you ever made (accidentally) a mistake on your 1040?  Hate to tell you, but intentional or not, that STILL qualifies as a falsification of a record.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #666 on: May 30, 2024, 11:21:36 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 30, 2024, 11:15:41 pm
... in simple terms: conspiracy to commit fraud

Explain the fraud.  Who was defrauded?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #667 on: May 30, 2024, 11:26:33 pm »
... the State of New York ... a personal expense were recorded as business expense 34 times

You can lie to yourself.
You can lie to your family.
You can lie to the public.
You can lie to the Press.
You can't lie on corporate financial documents.

The Trump Org is a privately-owned, public New York State legal state entity that is required to keep accurate business records for the State of New York.

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Explain the fraud.  Who was defrauded?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #668 on: May 30, 2024, 11:29:09 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 30, 2024, 11:19:57 pm
... 34 times is not an accident nor a mistake
That made me laugh! Ok, so according to @DefiantMassRINO all I have to do is to charge him with 534 counts of being an idiot and then I win.
534 times is not an accident or a mistake. It is the number that determines guilty or innocent.

LOL! hahahaha what a fool
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #669 on: May 30, 2024, 11:30:25 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on May 30, 2024, 11:16:58 pm
You mean the falsification of records charge?

It wasn't a falsification.  Expenses paid to your lawyer are classified as "legal expenses".  It doesn't matter what they are for.

It's no different than Fani Willis paying Nathan Wade to travel to Washington and coordinate with White House officials on their case against Trump.  Guess how those expenses got logged by Willis' office?  "Legal Expenses".
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #670 on: May 30, 2024, 11:31:18 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 30, 2024, 11:26:33 pm
... the State of New York ... a personal expense were recorded as business expense 34 times

You can lie to yourself.
You can lie to your family.
You can lie to the public.
You can lie to the Press.
You can't lie on corporate financial documents.

The Trump Org is a privately-owned, public New York State legal state entity that is required to keep accurate business records for the State of New York.

Which they did.

btw, an organization can't be 'public' and 'private' at the same time.  I thought you knew that.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #671 on: May 30, 2024, 11:32:20 pm »
.... being an idiot is not a crime in the State of New York.  Creating fraudulent business documents for an LLC/Corporation incorporated in the State of New York is a crime.

If the Trump Org LLC/Corporation had been incorporated in Delaware, Trump wouldn't have been indicted and charged by the State of New York nor convicted by a New York jury.

Quote from: 240B on May 30, 2024, 11:29:09 pm
That made me laugh! Ok, so according to @DefiantMassRINO all I have to do is to charge him with 534 counts of being an idiot and then I win.
534 times is not an accident or a mistake. It is the number that determines guilty or innocent.

LOL! hahahaha what a fool
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #672 on: May 30, 2024, 11:33:05 pm »
Again, who was defrauded?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #673 on: May 30, 2024, 11:37:19 pm »
When Hillary Clinton paid Fusion GPS to create the fake Russia story against Trump, guess how they logged those costs?  You guessed it.  "Legal Expenses".  They did so because they paid them to a lawyer.  Go figure.

But for some reason, long-standing accounting rules that applied in 2017 are completely abandoned seven years later - the year that Trump decides to run for President.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #674 on: May 30, 2024, 11:39:12 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on May 30, 2024, 11:32:20 pm
.... being an idiot is not a crime in the State of New York.  Creating fraudulent business documents for an LLC/Corporation incorporated in the State of New York is a crime.

If the Trump Org LLC/Corporation had been incorporated in Delaware, Trump wouldn't have been indicted and charged by the State of New York nor convicted by a New York jury.
@DefiantMassRINO
I love you and I respect you. But ... you are not helping your case with this line of logic.
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