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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #675 on: May 30, 2024, 11:39:51 pm »
.... being an idiot is not a crime in the State of New York.  Creating fraudulent business documents for an LLC/Corporation incorporated in the State of New York is a crime.

How were the documents fraudulent?  Who was defrauded?

Again, monies paid to lawyers are "legal expenses".  It doesn't matter what they are for.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #676 on: May 30, 2024, 11:41:04 pm »
... the State of New York.  The Trump Org is an LLC/corporation incorporated in the State of New York.  LLC's and corporations are legal entities incorporated/created under the authority of a State Government to shield persons from personal financial liabilities incurred by the LLC/Corporation.

Trump Org should have been incorporated in Delaware, Wyoming, or a state other than New York.

Again, who was defrauded?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #677 on: May 30, 2024, 11:43:46 pm »
Trump Org LLC/Corp funds were fraudulently used to pay for Trump's personal/campaign expenses.

How were the documents fraudulent?  Who was defrauded?

Again, monies paid to lawyers are "legal expenses".  It doesn't matter what they are for.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #678 on: May 30, 2024, 11:45:24 pm »
If the Trump Org LLC/Corporation had been incorporated in Delaware, Trump wouldn't have been indicted and charged by the State of New York nor convicted by a New York jury.

You do realize that the money Cohen paid to Daniels originated in Delaware, right?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #679 on: May 30, 2024, 11:47:03 pm »
Trump Org LLC/Corp funds were fraudulently used to pay for Trump's personal/campaign expenses.

So Trump defrauded himself.  Right.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #680 on: May 30, 2024, 11:48:36 pm »
Trump Org LLC/Corp funds were fraudulently used to pay for Trump's personal/campaign expenses.
A completely NEW criminal charge out of the blue which was NEVER mentioned in the trial.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #681 on: May 30, 2024, 11:50:05 pm »
.... but the checks issued to "re-imburse" Michael Cohen were issued by an LLC/Corp incorporated in the State of New York to conceal the expenditure of funds for personal/campaign expenses - fraud, money laundering

You do realize that the money Cohen paid to Daniels originated in Delaware, right?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #682 on: May 30, 2024, 11:52:16 pm »
A completely NEW criminal charge out of the blue which was NEVER mentioned in the trial.

Grasping for straws, making it up as they go.  You would think that after weeks on end of asking what the actual crime is, that they would be better prepared for this day.  But sadly, no.  We are no closer to knowing what crime Trump allegedly committed than we were in 2017.

Still haven't figured out how Trump's alleged (and unidentified) crimes of 2017 somehow influenced the 2016 election.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #683 on: May 30, 2024, 11:53:17 pm »
.... but the checks issued to "re-imburse" Michael Cohen were issued by an LLC/Corp incorporated in the State of New York to conceal the expenditure of funds for personal/campaign expenses - fraud, money laundering

Ah, back to this.  So again, who was defrauded?  And how is this money laundering?  You do know what money laundering is, right?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #684 on: May 30, 2024, 11:53:31 pm »
I may be a moron, but at least I am not a 34-time convicted felon.

Proving only that you're too stupid and weak to be a threat to the corrupt.

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #685 on: May 30, 2024, 11:54:01 pm »

Trump defrauded Trump Org/LLC which is a New York State corporate legal entity.

If Trump paid Stormy Daniels from his personal checking account, rather than the Trump LLC/Org, financial accounts, it would not be a business records falsification (fraud) case.

So Trump defrauded himself.  Right.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #686 on: May 30, 2024, 11:56:51 pm »
Trump defrauded Trump Org/LLC

How did Trump manage to defraud himself?

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #687 on: May 30, 2024, 11:57:00 pm »
1)  Is (was) Michael Cohen a lawyer?

2)  Did lawyer Cohen submit 'legal' bills to Donald Trump?

3)  Were these legal expenses logged as legal expenses by a bookkeeper experienced in categorizing expenses to lawyers as "legal expenses"?

4)  Was anyone defrauded?

5)  Did the act of paying an expense to a lawyer in 2017 influence the 2016 election?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #688 on: May 30, 2024, 11:59:19 pm »
Trump defrauded Trump Org/LLC which is a New York State corporate legal entity.

A privately owned limited liability corporation solely owned by one Donald J. Trump.  So again, who was defrauded?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #689 on: May 31, 2024, 12:00:07 am »
1)  Is (was) Michael Cohen a lawyer?

2)  Did lawyer Cohen submit 'legal' bills to Donald Trump?

3)  Were these legal expenses logged as legal expenses by a bookkeeper experienced in categorizing expenses to lawyers as "legal expenses"?

4)  Was anyone defrauded?

5)  Did the act of paying an expense to a lawyer in 2017 influence the 2016 election?

Take a crack at these questions  pointing-up@DefiantMassRINO

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #690 on: May 31, 2024, 12:07:48 am »
Looks like he logged out.  Hmmmmm....
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #691 on: May 31, 2024, 12:10:03 am »
Not once mentioned is this whole thing is due to Trump not being able to keep his pecker in his own pasture (of prime farm land we are told over and over)... Time and time and time again. Character matters and this whole BS is due one person, Donald Trump and Donald Trump only.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #692 on: May 31, 2024, 12:20:58 am »
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #693 on: May 31, 2024, 12:21:33 am »
Not once mentioned is this whole thing is due to Trump not being able to keep his pecker in his own pasture (of prime farm land we are told over and over)... Time and time and time again. Character matters and this whole BS is due one person, Donald Trump and Donald Trump only.

Oh, I think it's been mentioned a lot.  Trump paints a huge target on himself through his own actions, arrogance, and lack of repentance.  He is of deeply flawed character, and he alienates himself from those who dedicate their lives to forgiveness.

But none of that has a thing to do with the case before us.  I am not a Trump supporter.  I likely will not be voting for him in November.  And a big part of me wants him to back out of the race and let someone else take the mantle this election.  But this isn't about Trump.  This is about a travesty that is occurring in our country where one political party is running roughshod over the rule of law and our Constitution.  I believe in the Bill of Rights.  And upholding that is far more important than some porn star that Trump banged.

Trump may be a pompous sleazy ass.  No arguing that.  But he just got convicted in a court of law where his main witness was blocked by a judge from testifying, he was charged with crimes where the statute of limitations already expired, and convicted by a jury who failed to identify the crime for which he was convicted.  And that's just wrong.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #694 on: May 31, 2024, 12:30:17 am »
Oh, I think it's been mentioned a lot.  Trump paints a huge target on himself through his own actions, arrogance, and lack of repentance.  He is of deeply flawed character, and he alienates himself from those who dedicate their lives to forgiveness.

But none of that has a thing to do with the case before us.  I am not a Trump supporter.  I likely will not be voting for him in November.  And a big part of me wants him to back out of the race and let someone else take the mantle this election.  But this isn't about Trump.  This is about a travesty that is occurring in our country where one political party is running roughshod over the rule of law and our Constitution. I believe in the Bill of Rights.  And upholding that is far more important than some porn star that Trump banged.

Trump may be a pompous sleazy ass.  No arguing that.  But he just got convicted in a court of law where his main witness was blocked by a judge from testifying, he was charged with crimes where the statute of limitations already expired, and convicted by a jury who failed to identify the crime for which he was convicted.  And that's just wrong.

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #695 on: May 31, 2024, 12:39:55 am »


Trump may be a pompous sleazy ass.   

So are 99.9% of all politicians. 

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« Reply #696 on: May 31, 2024, 12:43:59 am »
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #699 on: May 31, 2024, 12:59:34 am »
   It is absolutely a Tragedy what our Political World has become in just 8 short years, with that being said ~ I ask who was in charge of the GOP for those 8 years??? 
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