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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #525 on: June 18, 2023, 02:31:44 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #526 on: June 18, 2023, 02:49:59 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #527 on: June 18, 2023, 02:51:17 pm »
Don't forget, Putin is a defender of Christianity and fighting the Globalhomo movement as well.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #528 on: June 18, 2023, 02:53:20 pm »
Putin's shock troops are CASTRATING Ukrainian prisoners of war with pocket knives in torture camps as two survivors reveal experience was 'worse than hell'

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    Ukrainian soldiers were castrated by Russian troops while prisoners of war
    READ MORE: Russia using 'electric shocks  and mock executions' on Ukrainians

By Oliver Price
17 June 2023

Vladimir Putin's twisted troops are castrating Ukrainian prisoners of war with pocket knives in Russian torture camps.

Two survivors, aged 25 and 28, who had been Russian prisoners for one and three months, revealed their horrifying experience to be worse than hell.

The two Ukrainian soldiers were returned to Ukraine in a prisoner swap and were then referred to psychologist Anzhelika Yatsenko, 41, who helps young men who have faced serious hardship.

Based on her previous experience, she knew that it was likely that they had both been tortured as they were suicidal and the younger soldier had tried to kill himself.

The men were unable to tell her what happened for a month, but told her: 'If there's hell somewhere, it’s worse than that.'

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12206713/Putins-troops-CASTRATING-Ukrainian-prisoners-war-knives-two-survivors-reveal-experience.html

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« Reply #529 on: June 18, 2023, 02:54:01 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #530 on: June 18, 2023, 03:06:38 pm »
Stalin used to do this in WW2 didn't he?

Yes, he did.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #531 on: June 18, 2023, 03:54:15 pm »

Drone allegedly captures Russian soldiers executing their fellow soldiers as they attempted to flee
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #532 on: June 19, 2023, 03:28:51 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #534 on: June 19, 2023, 05:11:56 am »
Stalin used to do this in WW2 didn't he?
Yep. The movie Enemy at the Gates was accurate in that regard.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #535 on: June 19, 2023, 11:20:15 am »
Russians send Soviet-era tanks packed with explosives into Ukraine

By Joe Tacopino
June 19, 2023

Russian soldiers are packing defunct, Soviet-era tanks with devastating explosives and rolling them directly into Ukrainian positions in the latest desperate attempt by the Kremlin to gain an advantage on the battlefield.

In video footage posted online, a 70-year-old T-54 tank rigged with six tons of explosives could be seen guided by remote control as it rolls toward a Ukrainian trench.

The vehicle-borne improvised explosive device, however, is obliterated into a cloud of dust and smoke when it suddenly strikes a mine before being demolished by a Ukrainian anti-tank missile, according to Forbes.

The massive explosion took place just about 200 feet from Ukrainian soldiers, some of whom may have been killed or injured by the blast.

The clandestine move by Russian forces shows the desperation of Moscow and Russian President Vladimir Putin 16 months into a difficult and protracted conflict.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/19/russians-send-soviet-era-tanks-packed-with-explosives-into-ukraine/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #536 on: June 19, 2023, 11:56:56 am »
Russians send Soviet-era tanks packed with explosives into Ukraine

By Joe Tacopino
June 19, 2023

Russian soldiers are packing defunct, Soviet-era tanks with devastating explosives and rolling them directly into Ukrainian positions in the latest desperate attempt by the Kremlin to gain an advantage on the battlefield.

In video footage posted online, a 70-year-old T-54 tank rigged with six tons of explosives could be seen guided by remote control as it rolls toward a Ukrainian trench.

The vehicle-borne improvised explosive device, however, is obliterated into a cloud of dust and smoke when it suddenly strikes a mine before being demolished by a Ukrainian anti-tank missile, according to Forbes.

The massive explosion took place just about 200 feet from Ukrainian soldiers, some of whom may have been killed or injured by the blast.

The clandestine move by Russian forces shows the desperation of Moscow and Russian President Vladimir Putin 16 months into a difficult and protracted conflict.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/19/russians-send-soviet-era-tanks-packed-with-explosives-into-ukraine/


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #537 on: June 19, 2023, 12:01:09 pm »
British Challenger Two tanks are seen on the Ukrainian front line for the first time as Russian helicopter attacks force Kyiv to 'pause' counter-offensive after at least 20 Western tanks and IFVs were destroyed

British Challenger 2 tanks were sent to Ukraine to help with counter attack
READ: Russia has been using suicide tanks in a bid to restrict Ukrainian advances

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18 June 2023

British Challenger 2 tanks have been spotted on the Ukrainian front line for the first time - as Russian helicopter attacks reportedly force Kyiv to pause their counter-offensive after at least 20 Western tanks and IFVs were destroyed.

A squadron of 14 Challenger 2 tanks, which have a 120mm rifled gun and a 7.62mm machine gun, were gifted by Britain earlier this year as the West continue to show their unwavering support to Ukraine in their fight against Vladimir Putin's invasion.

The £5m Challenger 2 is designed to attack other tanks and have far greater ranges and accuracy than the Kremlin's equivalent.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208757/British-Challenger-Two-tanks-seen-Ukrainian-line-time.html

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #538 on: June 19, 2023, 12:02:56 pm »
Ukraine continues counter-offensive, takes control of village in southern Zaporizhzhia

By Isabel Keane
June 18, 2023

Ukraine recaptured a village in the southern Zaporizhzhia region — the second area claimed since the launch of its counter-offensive last week.

A Russian-installed official acknowledged Ukraine’s gain on the village of Piatykhatky Sunday, saying on Telegram their forces were entrenching themselves there while coming under fire from Russian artillery.

“The enemy’s ‘wave-like’ offensives yielded results, despite enormous losses,” said the official, Vladimir Rogov, on the Telegram messaging app.

According to Rogov, heavy fighting has persisted in the region, though there has been no official word on the action from Ukraine.

If confirmed, it would be Ukraine’s first village gain in nearly a week as the country escalates its offensive heading toward Crimea.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/18/ukraine-takes-control-of-village-on-zaporizhzhia-front/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #540 on: June 19, 2023, 01:55:38 pm »
Car 'packed with explosives' is seen on top of Ukrainian dam shortly before it is destroyed 'by Russia' in drone images released by Kyiv

Kakhovka Dam was destroyed on June 6, causing catastrophic flooding
Intelligence suggests Russia had means, motive and opportunity to destroy it

By CHRIS JEWERS and ASSOCIATED PRESS
19 June 2023

A car said to be packed with explosives was pictured on top of a Ukrainian dam shortly before it was blown up earlier this month, causing catastrophic flooding to a region in the south of the country, drone images released by Kyiv show.

The images form part of a report that suggests Russia had the means, motive and opportunity to bring down the dam earlier this month while under Moscow's control.

Images taken from above the Kakhovka Dam and shared with the Associated Press appear to show an explosive-laden car atop the structure.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210361/Car-packed-explosives-seen-Ukrainian-dam-shortly-destroyed.html


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #541 on: June 19, 2023, 02:13:55 pm »
Russians send Soviet-era tanks packed with explosives into Ukraine

By Joe Tacopino
June 19, 2023

Russian soldiers are packing defunct, Soviet-era tanks with devastating explosives and rolling them directly into Ukrainian positions in the latest desperate attempt by the Kremlin to gain an advantage on the battlefield.

In video footage posted online, a 70-year-old T-54 tank rigged with six tons of explosives could be seen guided by remote control as it rolls toward a Ukrainian trench.

The vehicle-borne improvised explosive device, however, is obliterated into a cloud of dust and smoke when it suddenly strikes a mine before being demolished by a Ukrainian anti-tank missile, according to Forbes.

The massive explosion took place just about 200 feet from Ukrainian soldiers, some of whom may have been killed or injured by the blast.

The clandestine move by Russian forces shows the desperation of Moscow and Russian President Vladimir Putin 16 months into a difficult and protracted conflict.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/19/russians-send-soviet-era-tanks-packed-with-explosives-into-ukraine/

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The whole world knows that at this point,discounting their nuclear weapons,the "Mighty Soviet Union" of the 50's and 60's is now a Paper Tiger.

The question I have is "WHY haven't the geezers in the Kremlin got together before this became as obvious as the sun in your eyes,and figured out some way to bow gracefully,declare a victory,and return their troops behind Soviet borders?

Look at probably their biggest event of the year,the annual May Day Parade,where the USSR trots their finest troops and military hardware down Red Square to the admiring applause of their serfs.

This year they only had ONE tank in the parade,and now they are sending the previously obsolete tanks they  USED to have as reserves,into front line positions filled with explosives to open a hole in the Ukrainian front lines.

This tells ME they are running even lower on replacement soldiers than they are replacement tanks.

The geezer Generals and Admirals in the walls of power in Moscow had BETTER be getting their Biden in order and ordering retreats back behind the borders while they still have living troops and mobile tanks capable of retreating.

Ask yourself this,What is THE most dangerous thing that can happen to a dictatorship?"

The obvious answer is "To have their serfs stop fearing them."

I have a feeling that "History is going to be made soon,BIG TIME!"

Sadly,I don't see Pooty Poot and the other senior Soviets giving up  their armored Mercedes,Mansions guarded by elite Red Army units outside of town,or any of their personal wealth in a "grab as much as you can and run to the border!" moment.

I see them calling out what is left of the Red Army to fire on the protestors.

This would have worked as recently as 5 or 10 years ago,but I am not so certain the actual soldiers in the Red Army wouldn't fire on their superiors at this point. After all,who has suffered more or seen the evidence of the incompetence of the Soviet leadership than them?

Will the senior Soviet response be to unleash the nukes on Ukraine as well as some of their own cities,or to don worn clothes and an old Lada in a mad rush to the border to seek exile?

"Interesting times",indeed for those of us who can witness it from a distance.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #542 on: June 19, 2023, 02:29:09 pm »
Russians send Soviet-era tanks packed with explosives into Ukraine

By Joe Tacopino
June 19, 2023

Russian soldiers are packing defunct, Soviet-era tanks with devastating explosives and rolling them directly into Ukrainian positions in the latest desperate attempt by the Kremlin to gain an advantage on the battlefield.

In video footage posted online, a 70-year-old T-54 tank rigged with six tons of explosives could be seen guided by remote control as it rolls toward a Ukrainian trench.

The vehicle-borne improvised explosive device, however, is obliterated into a cloud of dust and smoke when it suddenly strikes a mine before being demolished by a Ukrainian anti-tank missile, according to Forbes.

The massive explosion took place just about 200 feet from Ukrainian soldiers, some of whom may have been killed or injured by the blast.

The clandestine move by Russian forces shows the desperation of Moscow and Russian President Vladimir Putin 16 months into a difficult and protracted conflict.

Sort of a mega-grenade on steroids and meth.


Ukraine continues counter-offensive, takes control of village in southern Zaporizhzhia

By Isabel Keane
June 18, 2023

Ukraine recaptured a village in the southern Zaporizhzhia region — the second area claimed since the launch of its counter-offensive last week.

A Russian-installed official acknowledged Ukraine’s gain on the village of Piatykhatky Sunday, saying on Telegram their forces were entrenching themselves there while coming under fire from Russian artillery.

“The enemy’s ‘wave-like’ offensives yielded results, despite enormous losses,” said the official, Vladimir Rogov, on the Telegram messaging app.

From what I've read, the orcs have heavy-duty multi-layered defenses in the Zaporizhzhia region. If the Ukrainians slug their way through those defenses and reach the Black Sea, the only supply routes for the Crimean Peninsula would be by sea and the Kerch Strait Bridge, all of which would be in range of much of Ukraine's artillery and missiles. The major port and strategic naval base at Sevastopol could be rendered untenable by such a breakthrough.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #543 on: June 19, 2023, 11:17:46 pm »
The Mine-Laying Lawnmower of Death

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I try to keep up with the latest drone developments out of the Russo-Ukrainian War, so this funky remote-control mine-laying device caught my eye:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1652251628857344003

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #544 on: June 20, 2023, 12:00:33 pm »
Based on reading a bunch of stuff over at TOS, there are a few reasons.  I think they're conspiracist crap, but evidently some others disagree:

The most common is that they see this as a conflict between "globalism", represented by Ukraine and those backing it, and "nationalism", represented by Russia. They look at Ukraine and see George Soros, so they want Russia to win.  They imagine that will somehow help defeat globalist sentiment here in the U.S..  Yeah, don't ask me, it doesn't make sense to me either but that's what they argue.  The more extreme among them actually root for the BRICS nations over the West because they think the West has become corrupt and evil.  Now to be fair, I think there may be quite a few Russian plants among those more extreme types so they may not even really be self-described "conservatives" at all.

It also goes back to the 2020 election, and all the stuff about the Bidens allegedly getting money from Ukraine, etc..   They think that because of Biden ties to Ukraine, a Ukrainian defeat is good for us because we hate Biden.  There's also a perception that Ukraine is pro-Biden and anti-Trump, while Russia is pro-Trump and anti-Biden.  So, that fits in there too.

And I suppose the final bit of it is that they believe that the U.S. government itself is so horrible and corrupt that anything that amounts to a defeat for U.S. government policy is actually a good thing.  In essence, they now root against the U.S. because they don't like who the President is.

@Timber Rattler -- sound about right to you?

Yeah, I laid out my own take up thread a few pages back.  Just to add to your list, there are also the Libertarian pacifists and isolationists (like BobL) and former military and ex-contractor folks from GWOT and Iraq (like Travis McGee and Allegra) who feel like (with some justification) we got burned in those wars and just want to pull up the drawbridge and let the rest of the world burn.  There are also the appeasers who believe that if the US and NATO force Ukraine to unconditionally surrender to Russia then the big-bad Putin will get what he wants and go away.  They didn't learn that lesson from World War II.  There are also some "principled" but misguided and short-sighted Conservatives (like caww and Sacajawea) who argue that we simply cannot afford to spend billions and billions on Ukraine when our own country is falling apart economically.  I'm sympathetic to that argument myself BUT being a student of history also understand that if Putin is not stopped in Ukraine then there will be a larger, more expensive, and more destructive war down the road against NATO that my kids and grandkids will have to fight in Eastern Europe.  So I'd much rather pay billions now instead of trillions later, and allow the Ukrainians to fight for their own freedom so that American kids don't have to do so later.  Russia needed to be de-fanged.

And if there is any doubt that Putin saw his invasion as only a one-time encroachment and annexation, then this story from July 2022 should put an end to that nonsense once and for all:

Kremlin official suggests Russia could one day try to reclaim Alaska from the US

https://www.businessinsider.com/kremlin-official-suggests-US-remember-Alaska-belonged-to-Russia-2022-7?op=1
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #545 on: June 20, 2023, 12:09:52 pm »
Russia launches overnight air attack on Ukraine from east to west

By Reuters
June 20, 2023

Russia launched a widespread overnight air attack on Ukraine targeting the capital and cities from east to west as most of the country spent the night with air raid sirens blasting for several hours.

The General Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces said that according to preliminary information, Ukraine’s air defense systems shot down 28 out of 30 Iranian-made Shahed drones that Russia launched.

About 20 enemy targets were identified and destroyed by the forces and our air defense in the airspace around Kyiv, Serhiy Popko, head of the Kyiv military administration, said on the Telegram messaging app.

“Another massive air attack on the capital,” Popko said.

The military administration of Lviv, a city of about 700,000 people and 43 miles from the border with the NATO country of Poland, said Russia hit a “critical infrastructure” in the city, sparking fire.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/20/russia-launches-overnight-air-attack-on-ukraine-from-east-to-west/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #546 on: June 20, 2023, 01:45:57 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Hitler's terror bombing of London civilians had the opposite of the pre-imagined effect.

How does one say, "Damn your eyes!" in Ukrainian?
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« Reply #547 on: June 20, 2023, 07:59:27 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Hitler's terror bombing of London civilians had the opposite of the pre-imagined effect.

How does one say, "Damn your eyes!" in Ukrainian?

@PeteS in CA 

You are NOT wrong.

The terror  bombing of London had the opposite effect of what the Germans expected. What it accomplished was pissing off the entire population to the point where practically everybody was united in wanting to see Germany bombed into rubble.


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #548 on: June 20, 2023, 10:15:50 pm »
Baby needs a new pair of shoes. Or something.

The United States is sending an additional $6.2 billion to Ukraine after they discovered an accounting error. How nice for Zelensky.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1671276812671012864

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #549 on: June 20, 2023, 10:20:49 pm »
@PeteS in CA 

You are NOT wrong.

The terror  bombing of London had the opposite effect of what the Germans expected. What it accomplished was pissing off the entire population to the point where practically everybody was united in wanting to see Germany bombed into rubble.
In the public eye, from that point on, the indiscriminate bombing of German population centers was considered justified retaliation. That same mindset carried over into the incendiary bombing of virtually every major city in Japan. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were among four which had not been severely burned, and that's why they were on the target list for the A-Bomb.
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