Ukraine 4

[Hoodat]

Fire at military base in Ryazino

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14hbaq4/unconfirmed_military_unit_reported_to_be_on_fire/

[Hoodat]

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14hco71/moscow_is_in_lockdown_in_preparation_for_an/

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from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14haoev/military_vehicles_on_the_streets_of_moscow/

[sneakypete]

This can be a double-edged sword,given the way the Soviet leadership has always treated the Soviet soldiers. If they are not careful,they just might be inviting armed foxes into the chicken pen.

[PeteS in CA]

The whole Russia-Ukraine War has been like blind reporters describing an elephant disguised in a clown suit.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Wow 4 pages since last night. I posted at 9 thinking things had calmed down and went to bed...

[Bigun]

Heh, I think that fellow at the UN pounding his shoe on the table had more hair.

Sure looks like something big is happening in Russia, though.

Maybe so, but the resemblance IS striking!

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Soldiers were used as cannon fodder, their lives worthless to the leadership, arguably treated worse than in WW1. Don't be surprised when a revolution starts if you treat them like this.

Hope Putin ends up twisting on a rope, personally.

[PeteS in CA]

Where is Rostov-on-Don ... near the eastern end of the Black Sea, the Crimean Peninsula juts into the Sea. At the eastern end of the Peninsula is the Kerch Strait, which separates the Black Sea from the much smaller Sea of Azov. At the NE corner of the Sea of Azov is Rostov-on-Don, where the Don River flows into, and probably forms the Sea of Azov. Doncha just love descriptions of Russian geography?

So on one hand, Rostov-on-Don is a significant city. On the other, RoD is south of Bakhmut, where Wagner Group orcs had been fighting, while Moscow is NNE of Bakhmut. So unless the Wagner Group split into two orc bands, Moscow and Putin are not directly threatened.

IF Wagner Group's assault on RoD left a gap or weak area around Bakhmut, that could enable Ukraine to tear open and get behind Russian defenses, and then ... ??? Severodonetsk? Luhansk? End-around the defenses guarding Mariupol and the Black Sea shore?

[Timber Rattler]

The really cynical, Machiavellian part of me thinks that the U.S. government bought Wagner and turned it loose in the Russian rear between Ukraine and Moscow.

[sneakypete]

The really cynical, Machiavellian part of me thinks that the U.S. government bought Wagner and turned it loose in the Russian rear between Ukraine and Moscow.

@Timber Rattler

I think that could have been a real possibility if there were an actual human with an actual brain living in the WH.

Biden  would sell Russia to the highest bidder if he was let loose to roam.

Or maybe try  to smoke or eat it.

[Bigun]

@Timber Rattler

I think that could have been a real possibility if there were an actual human with an actual brain living in the WH.

Biden  would sell Russia to the highest bidder if he was let lose to roam.

I don't think what is sitting in the WH has anything to do with this @sneakypete he MIGHT be let in on some things after they happen but IMHO the CIA is running this show completely.

[PeteS in CA]

The really cynical, Machiavellian part of me thinks that the U.S. government bought Wagner and turned it loose in the Russian rear between Ukraine and Moscow.

I doubt it, Prigozhin and Putin have been backing-and-forthing publicly for months.

[kevindavis007]

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672598022964772864

[kevindavis007]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1672577452357427200

[Right_in_Virginia]

I don't think what is sitting in the WH has anything to do with this @sneakypete he MIGHT be let in on some things after they happen but IMHO the CIA is running this show completely.

I think we found where the missing $6 billion went @Bigun

[sneakypete]

I don't think what is sitting in the WH has anything to do with this @sneakypete he MIGHT be let in on some things after they happen but IMHO the CIA is running this show completely.

@Bigun

Clearly,there is someone running the show,and it's not Biden or the braying ass serving as VP.

MY guess it it is some multi-Billionaire like Bill Gates pulling the strings. Gates may even be just one of a  group of Globalists that are really "running the show".

Not that the identity of the "Head Honcho makes any real difference because it is a group effort by globalists who dream of being "Masters of the  Universe".

Truth to tell,even if we had proof of involvement by people like Gates,there is nothing we can do about it because they collect congresscritters like some people collect box tops. IF it WERE Gates sitting at the top of the table and he was exposed,it would make no  difference because nothing would be done against him other than MAYBE filing charges in a federal court,and then having  the case drag on for year after year and appeal after appeal with no actual conviction or sentencing.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I don't think the CIA has much of anything to do with this.  Way too risky.   This has been building for some time.

There has been a lot of discontent in Russia that the war has been mismanaged, and most of that kind of sentiment is that the Russians should have been more aggressive.

[240B]

[sneakypete]

I don't think the CIA has much of anything to do with this.  Way too risky.   This has been building for some time.

There has been a lot of discontent in Russia that the war has been mismanaged, and most of that kind of sentiment is that the Russians should have been more aggressive.

@Maj. Bill Martin

I suspect that might have been true earlier,but now I think too many bad things have happened and too many Russian troops have died for what is now LOOKING  like a lost cause,and while the typical Russian serf will continue to love "Holy Mother Russia",those feeling doesn't transfer over to their masters. Give it a couple more months,and Russians will probably have dragged their big cast iron pots out of storage and be ready to boil a few Uber Comrades. Just because the typical Russian seems to worship Russia like it is a God,that doesn't mean they worship the monsters running the show.

Unfortunately,there was nothing they could do about the "Uber Comrades". Fortunately for them,the "Uber Comrades" are doing it to themselves,and once that reaches  a certain level it will evolve into an "audience participation sport". There is a LOT of pent-up  anger at the Soviet leadership,and when it does come out one day,it is going to get ugly on a historic scale.

Remember,every  single one of the conscripts that was sent off to Ukraine to die and return  home in a box has a doting babushka at home whose heart is broken and who  is looking for revenge. Same for the ones that came back home missing legs,arms,or eyes.

If you thing combat is ugly,wait until you see what a group of pissed off mothers and grandmothers will do  if they can get their hands on a local official they think was  responsible for their children or grandchildren being drafted and sent off  to fight a war for no good reason that they can see.

As for the CIA,I am in full agreement with you on that one. I think when it comes to Russia and China these days,that electronic snooping and payments to Chinese subjects pretty  much dominate in China,and I honesty think the situation in Russia is so disorganized by so many fingers in the pie that no one knows where to start,and I SUSPECT the consensus would be to just sit back and watch the Soviets destroy themselves.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

I suspect that might have been true earlier,but now I think too many bad things have happened and too many Russian troops have died for what is now LOOKING  like a lost cause,and while the typical Russian serf will continue to love "Holy Mother Russia",those feeling doesn't transfer over to their masters. Give it a couple more months,and Russians will probably have dragged their big cast iron pots out of storage and be ready to boil a few Uber Comrades. Just because the typical Russian seems to worship Russia like it is a God,that doesn't mean they worship the monsters running the show.

Unfortunately,there was nothing they could do about the "Uber Comrades". Fortunately for them,the "Uber Comrades" are doing it to themselves,and once that reaches  a certain level it will evolve into an "audience participation sport". There is a LOT of pent-up  anger at the Soviet leadership,and when it does come out one day,it is going to get ugly on a historic scale.

Remember,every  single one of the conscripts that was sent off to Ukraine to die and return  home in a box has a doting babushka at home whose heart is broken and who  is looking for revenge. Same for the ones that came back home missing legs,arms,or eyes.

If you thing combat is ugly,wait until you see what a group of pissed off mothers and grandmothers will do  if they can get their hands on a local official they think was  responsible for their children or grandchildren being drafted and sent off  to fight a war for no good reason that they can see.

As for the CIA,I am in full agreement with you on that one. I think when it comes to Russia and China these days,that electronic snooping and payments to Chinese subjects pretty  much dominate in China,and I honesty think the situation in Russia is so disorganized by so many fingers in the pie that no one knows where to start,and I SUSPECT the consensus would be to just sit back and watch the Soviets destroy themselves.

I should have been more clear on the point I was making because you are right.

I think the mass of the Russian people think exactly as you describe.   I was referring more to the Russia  military bloggers - who are very popular - to some popular figures in the Russian media, and to people like Kadyrov and Prigozhin (at least earlier on).  Their view has always been that Russia should have been much more aggressive, with full conscription, use of nukes, etc..

Those people - and Prigozhin may still feel that way - are dangerous, which is one reason why I think we'd be pretty hands off with them.

I do think it is far more likely the Ukrainians themselves may have made some overtures, though. They are definitely not just passive western tools in this.

[Bigun]

https://twitter.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1672608573237362688

[240B]

This could really in fact be the end of Russia.
We all have to pray that it does not become something much worse.

[Smokin Joe]

@DB

Good point,but I suspect there  is no one in Russia that the military hates more at this point.

It may be that the number of operational aircraft have been depleted and exaggerated, considering the fine shape all their armor was in when they made the initial push for Kviv. If that's the case, what they mostly have is tied up in the Ukrainian theater, leaving little internally to shift into position to attack.

[Smokin Joe]

Eastern Russia (Kamchatka peninsula and environs) is closer to the US than Western Russia.

They even have islands in the Aleutian chain where you can see US Islands in the Aleutian chain. (Sarah Palin wasn't wrong, just what she said distroted).

[sneakypete]

This could really in fact be the end of Russia.
We all have to pray that it does not become something much worse.

@240B

It might be the end of Soviet Communism,but it won't be the end of Russia.

I have NO freaking idea what is going to happen if/when Putin flees with a plane load of gold bullion.

This is kind of a unique situation,where a national government  seems to be collapsing,and that police state government was the only  way of life any of the people who lived there have ever known.

I don't have a clue  about what will happen. Russia COULD spring  forward from Communism and become a modern democracy,or turn into  another  form of police state.

Anything could happen.

[Smokin Joe]

@240B

It might be the end of Soviet Communism,but it won't be the end of Russia.

I have NO freaking idea what is going to happen if/when Putin flees with a plane load of gold bullion.

This is kind of a unique situation,where a national government  seems to be collapsing,and that police state government was the only  way of life any of the people who lived there have ever known.

I don't have a clue  about what will happen. Russia COULD spring  forward from Communism and become a modern democracy,or turn into  another  form of police state.

Anything could happen.

With Wagner moving into Belarus, this could all be smoke and mirrors to place a force of 25,000 to the north of Ukraine to open another front--all without a shot being fired against that movement. Kviv better take note. A big part of war is deception, and this could be a textbook (in the future) move.

[sneakypete]

Eastern Russia (Kamchatka peninsula and environs) is closer to the US than Western Russia.

@Smokin Joe

Thank you. This means  that  it is Eastern Russia that  the Chinese are lusting after.

They even have islands in the Aleutian chain where you can see US Islands in the Aleutian chain.

(Sarah Palin wasn't wrong, just what she said distroted).


I didn't know anything about  that. Do they have military bases there with Soviet soldiers?

[sneakypete]

With Wagner moving into Belarus, this could all be smoke and mirrors to place a force of 25,000 to the north of Ukraine to open another front--all without a shot being fired against that movement. Kviv better take note. A big part of war is deception, and this could be a textbook (in the future) move.

@Smokin Joe

You seem to know a lot more about this than I do.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

Thank you. This means  that  it is Eastern Russia that  the Chinese are lusting after.

(Sarah Palin wasn't wrong, just what she said distroted).


I didn't know anything about  that. Do they have military bases there with Soviet soldiers?

Vladivostok, for starters, a major port and Naval Base. (The Navy (likely SEALs) tapped their secure underground comm cables back in the '80s, causing a stir...but reading their mail for quite a while)

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

You seem to know a lot more about this than I do.

Latest word is that Wagner was pulling back from Moscow to 'prevent bloodshed', and had been offered Belarus as a place to hang their hats while this was sorted. That would position them for a thrust toward Kviv, while the Ukraine is involved with the operations in the Donbas.

[sneakypete]

Vladivostok, for starters, a major port and Naval Base. (The Navy (likely SEALs) tapped their secure underground comm cables back in the '80s, causing a stir...but reading their mail for quite a while)

@Smokin Joe

I knew about the Navy base there,but didn't know it was on the same land mass as Alaska.

[Timber Rattler]

With Wagner moving into Belarus, this could all be smoke and mirrors to place a force of 25,000 to the north of Ukraine to open another front--all without a shot being fired against that movement. Kviv better take note. A big part of war is deception, and this could be a textbook (in the future) move.

Right, Caesar just doesn't flee back across the Rubicon after declaring that he was marching to take Rome.  But, if this whole thing is some sort of ruse, then it was still an expensive one, with all the oil depots destroyed and aircraft shot down, reportedly killing 13 Russian airmen.

[DB]

Right, Caesar just doesn't flee back across the Rubicon after declaring that he was marching to take Rome.  But, if this whole thing is some sort of ruse, then it was still an expensive one, with all the oil depots destroyed and aircraft shot down, reportedly killing 13 Russian airmen.

None of it makes much sense. There is no second place in this mess.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

I knew about the Navy base there,but didn't know it was on the same land mass as Alaska.

No, it isn't. Those islands are separate land masses, too. Just some belong to the US, and some to Russia.

[kevindavis007]

Interesting take here:

https://twitter.com/Mylovanov/status/1672742756379131907

[sneakypete]

No, it isn't. Those islands are separate land masses, too. Just some belong to the US, and some to Russia.

@Smokin Joe

Thanks for clearing that up.

Am I correct in assuming most of those islands are not populated with humans year round?

[Kamaji]

'No, this is all staged': Ex-CIA analyst claims Putin 'orchestrated' the Wagner coup with Prigozhin as a 'classic false flag' to boost recruitment for the army and make West think he is weakened

    Ex-CIA analyst Rebekah Koffler claimed Vladimir Putin 'orchestrated' the coup
    She suggested Putin and Yevgeny Prigozhi worked together to stage the uprising
    Kremlin faces a 'deeply unstable' situation after the Wagner truce, experts warn

By Andrea Cavallier, Senior Reporter For Dailymail.Com

Published: 09:21 EDT, 25 June 2023

An ex-CIA analyst has claimed Vladimir Putin 'orchestrated' the coup with Wagner mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhi in a 'classic false flag' to try to make the West believe his army had weakened.

Rebekah Koffler told Fox News' Eric Shawn on Saturday the coup was staged as a way for the Russian leader to boost his political power and he will eventually 'gain momentum, mobilize additional personnel, and re-energize his offensive on Ukraine.'

Prigozhin's forces moved from their camps in Ukraine into Russia on Friday and took over a regional military command in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, before advancing toward Moscow.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12231599/Ex-CIA-analyst-claims-Putin-orchestrated-Wagner-coup-Prigozhin-classic-false-flag.html

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

Thanks for clearing that up.

Am I correct in assuming most of those islands are not populated with humans year round?

@sneakypete Yep. There are 69 islands in the Aleutian chain, many of which have active volcanoes. (The chain forms an Island Arc, and is volcanic in origin). The total population of the Islands is under ten thousand. But rather than type my carpal tunnels into implosion, I'll refer you to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands, which can better answer your questions.

[sneakypete]

'No, this is all staged': Ex-CIA analyst claims Putin 'orchestrated' the Wagner coup with Prigozhin as a 'classic false flag' to boost recruitment for the army and make West think he is weakened

    Ex-CIA analyst Rebekah Koffler claimed Vladimir Putin 'orchestrated' the coup
    She suggested Putin and Yevgeny Prigozhi worked together to stage the uprising
    Kremlin faces a 'deeply unstable' situation after the Wagner truce, experts warn

By Andrea Cavallier, Senior Reporter For Dailymail.Com

Published: 09:21 EDT, 25 June 2023

An ex-CIA analyst has claimed Vladimir Putin 'orchestrated' the coup with Wagner mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhi in a 'classic false flag' to try to make the West believe his army had weakened.

Rebekah Koffler told Fox News' Eric Shawn on Saturday the coup was staged as a way for the Russian leader to boost his political power and he will eventually 'gain momentum, mobilize additional personnel, and re-energize his offensive on Ukraine.'

Prigozhin's forces moved from their camps in Ukraine into Russia on Friday and took over a regional military command in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, before advancing toward Moscow.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12231599/Ex-CIA-analyst-claims-Putin-orchestrated-Wagner-coup-Prigozhin-classic-false-flag.html

ROFLMAO!

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete Yep. There are 69 islands in the Aleutian chain, many of which have active volcanoes. (The chain forms an Island Arc, and is volcanic in origin). The total population of the Islands is under ten thousand. But rather than type my carpal tunnels into implosion, I'll refer you to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands, which can better answer your questions.

@Smokin Joe

Thank you!

I THINK I MAY have known that a few years ago,but chemo brain took care of that.

[DB]

ROFLMAO!

Well now you know why she is an Ex-CIA analyst...

[Smokin Joe]

Well now you know why she is an Ex-CIA analyst...

Could be lots of reasons for that. If Wegner moves into Belarus, this could have all been to mask that repositioning of that force for an attack on Kviv.

[DB]

Could be lots of reasons for that. If Wegner moves into Belarus, this could have all been to mask that repositioning of that force for an attack on Kviv.

Yes, there could be a lot of reasons. Little makes sense at this point. But as it stands Putin make public threats and then folded in hours is what his fellow countrymen see. There's nothing strategic about that. He didn't need to humiliate himself to get Wagner into Belarus.

[Smokin Joe]

Yes, there could be a lot of reasons. Little makes sense at this point. But as it stands Putin make public threats and then folded in hours is what his fellow countrymen see. There's nothing strategic about that. He didn't need to humiliate himself to get Wagner into Belarus.

Didn't need to, but it would be a great ruse to play on the Ukrainians who might not realize the threat in motion until defending the Capital would be difficult.

[Kamaji]

Didn't need to, but it would be a great ruse to play on the Ukrainians who might not realize the threat in motion until defending the Capital would be difficult.

At the risk of further demoralizing Russia's own troops?

[bigheadfred]

From what I have read the fighters are being returned the front lines. It is only Prigozhin that is going to Belarus. What am I missing?

[Kamaji]

From what I have read the fighters are being returned the front lines. It is only Prigozhin that is going to Belarus. What am I missing?

I've seen stories that Lukashenko fled Belarus; perhaps Belarus is the buy-off for Prigozhin's continued loyalty?

[Kamaji]

Putin likely ‘long-term loser’ after Wagner Group rebellion exposes weaknesses: experts

By Stephanie Pagones and
Ryan King   
June 25, 2023

The Wagner Group’s insurrection may have only lasted about 36 hours, but it will likely have damaging consequences for Russian President Vladimir Putin and his war on Ukraine, experts and officials say. 

Troops loyal to Putin withdrew from Moscow on Sunday after they were called in to guard the capital city against the impending threat of attack from Wagner commander Yevgeny Prigozhin and his mercenary troops.

Their removal comes less than two days after Prigozhin launched a revolt that brought Russia to the brink of civil war.

“What we’ve seen is extraordinary,” US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken told CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday. “And I think you’ve seen cracks emerge that weren’t there before.

“It is too soon to tell exactly where this is going to go,” Blinken said. “But certainly, we have all sorts of new questions that Putin is going to have to address in the weeks and months ahead.”

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/25/putin-likely-long-term-loser-after-wagner-group-rebellion-exposes-weaknesses-experts/

[Hoodat]

I truly hope this is not true:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1672996186020610052