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[sneakypete]

This could really in fact be the end of Russia.
We all have to pray that it does not become something much worse.

@240B

It might be the end of Soviet Communism,but it won't be the end of Russia.

I have NO freaking idea what is going to happen if/when Putin flees with a plane load of gold bullion.

This is kind of a unique situation,where a national government  seems to be collapsing,and that police state government was the only  way of life any of the people who lived there have ever known.

I don't have a clue  about what will happen. Russia COULD spring  forward from Communism and become a modern democracy,or turn into  another  form of police state.

Anything could happen.

[Smokin Joe]

@240B

It might be the end of Soviet Communism,but it won't be the end of Russia.

I have NO freaking idea what is going to happen if/when Putin flees with a plane load of gold bullion.

This is kind of a unique situation,where a national government  seems to be collapsing,and that police state government was the only  way of life any of the people who lived there have ever known.

I don't have a clue  about what will happen. Russia COULD spring  forward from Communism and become a modern democracy,or turn into  another  form of police state.

Anything could happen.

With Wagner moving into Belarus, this could all be smoke and mirrors to place a force of 25,000 to the north of Ukraine to open another front--all without a shot being fired against that movement. Kviv better take note. A big part of war is deception, and this could be a textbook (in the future) move.

[sneakypete]

Eastern Russia (Kamchatka peninsula and environs) is closer to the US than Western Russia.

@Smokin Joe

Thank you. This means  that  it is Eastern Russia that  the Chinese are lusting after.

They even have islands in the Aleutian chain where you can see US Islands in the Aleutian chain.

(Sarah Palin wasn't wrong, just what she said distroted).


I didn't know anything about  that. Do they have military bases there with Soviet soldiers?

[sneakypete]

With Wagner moving into Belarus, this could all be smoke and mirrors to place a force of 25,000 to the north of Ukraine to open another front--all without a shot being fired against that movement. Kviv better take note. A big part of war is deception, and this could be a textbook (in the future) move.

@Smokin Joe

You seem to know a lot more about this than I do.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

Thank you. This means  that  it is Eastern Russia that  the Chinese are lusting after.

(Sarah Palin wasn't wrong, just what she said distroted).


I didn't know anything about  that. Do they have military bases there with Soviet soldiers?

Vladivostok, for starters, a major port and Naval Base. (The Navy (likely SEALs) tapped their secure underground comm cables back in the '80s, causing a stir...but reading their mail for quite a while)

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

You seem to know a lot more about this than I do.

Latest word is that Wagner was pulling back from Moscow to 'prevent bloodshed', and had been offered Belarus as a place to hang their hats while this was sorted. That would position them for a thrust toward Kviv, while the Ukraine is involved with the operations in the Donbas.

[sneakypete]

Vladivostok, for starters, a major port and Naval Base. (The Navy (likely SEALs) tapped their secure underground comm cables back in the '80s, causing a stir...but reading their mail for quite a while)

@Smokin Joe

I knew about the Navy base there,but didn't know it was on the same land mass as Alaska.

[Timber Rattler]

With Wagner moving into Belarus, this could all be smoke and mirrors to place a force of 25,000 to the north of Ukraine to open another front--all without a shot being fired against that movement. Kviv better take note. A big part of war is deception, and this could be a textbook (in the future) move.

Right, Caesar just doesn't flee back across the Rubicon after declaring that he was marching to take Rome.  But, if this whole thing is some sort of ruse, then it was still an expensive one, with all the oil depots destroyed and aircraft shot down, reportedly killing 13 Russian airmen.

[DB]

Right, Caesar just doesn't flee back across the Rubicon after declaring that he was marching to take Rome.  But, if this whole thing is some sort of ruse, then it was still an expensive one, with all the oil depots destroyed and aircraft shot down, reportedly killing 13 Russian airmen.

None of it makes much sense. There is no second place in this mess.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

I knew about the Navy base there,but didn't know it was on the same land mass as Alaska.

No, it isn't. Those islands are separate land masses, too. Just some belong to the US, and some to Russia.

[kevindavis007]

Interesting take here:

https://twitter.com/Mylovanov/status/1672742756379131907

[sneakypete]

No, it isn't. Those islands are separate land masses, too. Just some belong to the US, and some to Russia.

@Smokin Joe

Thanks for clearing that up.

Am I correct in assuming most of those islands are not populated with humans year round?

[Kamaji]

'No, this is all staged': Ex-CIA analyst claims Putin 'orchestrated' the Wagner coup with Prigozhin as a 'classic false flag' to boost recruitment for the army and make West think he is weakened

    Ex-CIA analyst Rebekah Koffler claimed Vladimir Putin 'orchestrated' the coup
    She suggested Putin and Yevgeny Prigozhi worked together to stage the uprising
    Kremlin faces a 'deeply unstable' situation after the Wagner truce, experts warn

By Andrea Cavallier, Senior Reporter For Dailymail.Com

Published: 09:21 EDT, 25 June 2023

An ex-CIA analyst has claimed Vladimir Putin 'orchestrated' the coup with Wagner mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhi in a 'classic false flag' to try to make the West believe his army had weakened.

Rebekah Koffler told Fox News' Eric Shawn on Saturday the coup was staged as a way for the Russian leader to boost his political power and he will eventually 'gain momentum, mobilize additional personnel, and re-energize his offensive on Ukraine.'

Prigozhin's forces moved from their camps in Ukraine into Russia on Friday and took over a regional military command in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, before advancing toward Moscow.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12231599/Ex-CIA-analyst-claims-Putin-orchestrated-Wagner-coup-Prigozhin-classic-false-flag.html

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

Thanks for clearing that up.

Am I correct in assuming most of those islands are not populated with humans year round?

@sneakypete Yep. There are 69 islands in the Aleutian chain, many of which have active volcanoes. (The chain forms an Island Arc, and is volcanic in origin). The total population of the Islands is under ten thousand. But rather than type my carpal tunnels into implosion, I'll refer you to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands, which can better answer your questions.

[sneakypete]

'No, this is all staged': Ex-CIA analyst claims Putin 'orchestrated' the Wagner coup with Prigozhin as a 'classic false flag' to boost recruitment for the army and make West think he is weakened

    Ex-CIA analyst Rebekah Koffler claimed Vladimir Putin 'orchestrated' the coup
    She suggested Putin and Yevgeny Prigozhi worked together to stage the uprising
    Kremlin faces a 'deeply unstable' situation after the Wagner truce, experts warn

By Andrea Cavallier, Senior Reporter For Dailymail.Com

Published: 09:21 EDT, 25 June 2023

An ex-CIA analyst has claimed Vladimir Putin 'orchestrated' the coup with Wagner mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhi in a 'classic false flag' to try to make the West believe his army had weakened.

Rebekah Koffler told Fox News' Eric Shawn on Saturday the coup was staged as a way for the Russian leader to boost his political power and he will eventually 'gain momentum, mobilize additional personnel, and re-energize his offensive on Ukraine.'

Prigozhin's forces moved from their camps in Ukraine into Russia on Friday and took over a regional military command in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, before advancing toward Moscow.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12231599/Ex-CIA-analyst-claims-Putin-orchestrated-Wagner-coup-Prigozhin-classic-false-flag.html

ROFLMAO!

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete Yep. There are 69 islands in the Aleutian chain, many of which have active volcanoes. (The chain forms an Island Arc, and is volcanic in origin). The total population of the Islands is under ten thousand. But rather than type my carpal tunnels into implosion, I'll refer you to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands, which can better answer your questions.

@Smokin Joe

Thank you!

I THINK I MAY have known that a few years ago,but chemo brain took care of that.

[DB]

ROFLMAO!

Well now you know why she is an Ex-CIA analyst...

[Smokin Joe]

Well now you know why she is an Ex-CIA analyst...

Could be lots of reasons for that. If Wegner moves into Belarus, this could have all been to mask that repositioning of that force for an attack on Kviv.

[DB]

Could be lots of reasons for that. If Wegner moves into Belarus, this could have all been to mask that repositioning of that force for an attack on Kviv.

Yes, there could be a lot of reasons. Little makes sense at this point. But as it stands Putin make public threats and then folded in hours is what his fellow countrymen see. There's nothing strategic about that. He didn't need to humiliate himself to get Wagner into Belarus.

[Smokin Joe]

Yes, there could be a lot of reasons. Little makes sense at this point. But as it stands Putin make public threats and then folded in hours is what his fellow countrymen see. There's nothing strategic about that. He didn't need to humiliate himself to get Wagner into Belarus.

Didn't need to, but it would be a great ruse to play on the Ukrainians who might not realize the threat in motion until defending the Capital would be difficult.

[Kamaji]

Didn't need to, but it would be a great ruse to play on the Ukrainians who might not realize the threat in motion until defending the Capital would be difficult.

At the risk of further demoralizing Russia's own troops?

[bigheadfred]

From what I have read the fighters are being returned the front lines. It is only Prigozhin that is going to Belarus. What am I missing?

[Kamaji]

From what I have read the fighters are being returned the front lines. It is only Prigozhin that is going to Belarus. What am I missing?

I've seen stories that Lukashenko fled Belarus; perhaps Belarus is the buy-off for Prigozhin's continued loyalty?

[Kamaji]

Putin likely ‘long-term loser’ after Wagner Group rebellion exposes weaknesses: experts

By Stephanie Pagones and
Ryan King   
June 25, 2023

The Wagner Group’s insurrection may have only lasted about 36 hours, but it will likely have damaging consequences for Russian President Vladimir Putin and his war on Ukraine, experts and officials say. 

Troops loyal to Putin withdrew from Moscow on Sunday after they were called in to guard the capital city against the impending threat of attack from Wagner commander Yevgeny Prigozhin and his mercenary troops.

Their removal comes less than two days after Prigozhin launched a revolt that brought Russia to the brink of civil war.

“What we’ve seen is extraordinary,” US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken told CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday. “And I think you’ve seen cracks emerge that weren’t there before.

“It is too soon to tell exactly where this is going to go,” Blinken said. “But certainly, we have all sorts of new questions that Putin is going to have to address in the weeks and months ahead.”

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/25/putin-likely-long-term-loser-after-wagner-group-rebellion-exposes-weaknesses-experts/

[Hoodat]

I truly hope this is not true:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1672996186020610052