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« Reply #500 on: June 15, 2023, 12:56:54 pm »
Russian corpses line the road to liberation: Putin's forces lie dead in ditches beside blown-up tanks along route to newly-liberated Ukrainian village

Storozheve was liberated by Ukraine's forces this week, along with other villages
The grisly scenes bear witness to the ferocity of fighting as Ukrainian troops continue to press on with Kyiv's much-anticipated counteroffensive 

By CHRIS JEWERS and REUTERS
15 June 2023

The corpses of slain Russian soldiers line a road leading into a liberated Ukrainian village, graphic pictures show, as Kyiv's counteroffensive presses on.

Pictures from Storozheve, newly liberated by Ukraine's forces this week, show bodies scattered in fields and on the roadside, among burnt-out armoured vehicles.

The grisly scenes bear witness to the ferocity of fighting as Ukrainian troops recaptured Storozheve and several other villages in the past few days as part of a counteroffensive in southern and eastern Ukraine.

The village had been occupied by Russian forces since March 2022, one month after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

The soldiers said about 50 Russian soldiers were killed in a 'mopping-up operation' and four were taken prisoner.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12197811/Russian-corpses-line-road-liberation.html

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #501 on: June 15, 2023, 07:11:28 pm »
He's one of the Mobiki...got re-drafted, was lied to, and sent to Ukraine.

Russian soldier seen surrendering to Ukrainian drone speaks out for first time

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« Reply #502 on: June 15, 2023, 09:24:04 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #504 on: June 16, 2023, 07:09:39 am »
Putin assassination plot fears prompt Russian special agents to disable mobile internet coverage to stop Ukraine from blowing up Vladimir with a drone

Putin is set to speak in St Petersburg later today at an economic forum
Reports have suggested he is growing increasingly paranoid in the Kremlin

By WILL STEWART and CHRIS JEWERS
16 June 2023

Paranoid security operatives guarding Vladimir Putin will disable mobile internet coverage in St Petersburg when the dictator today makes a speech in the city.

They fear the signals could be used to direct drones in assassination strikes on the warmonger, as has become a common tactic in Ukraine and - more recently - in attacks across the border in Russia.

Russia's Ministry of Communications issued a disabling order to all mobile operators, according to sources of Faridaily news outlet run by journalist Farida Rustamova.

The move was 'in order to prevent drones from attacking the forum venue during the plenary session of Putin's traditional event' - the annual St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, seen as Russia's Davos equivalent.

Ukraine has launched multiple drone strikes on Russia in retaliation for endless missile attacks by Putin's forces.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12202027/Paranoid-Putin-guards-disable-St-Petersburg-internet-speech-amid-assassination-fears.html

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« Reply #505 on: June 16, 2023, 09:43:47 am »
from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/147m73o/russian_frontline_security_unit_executes/


Orcs being Orcs I guess...


But seriously why are Americans backing the Russians in the conflict even if see crap like this. Especially those on the right.
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« Reply #506 on: June 16, 2023, 09:44:32 am »

Orcs being Orcs I guess...


But seriously why are Americans backing the Russians in the conflict even if see crap like this. Especially those on the right.

Good question.

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« Reply #507 on: June 16, 2023, 09:55:50 am »
Good question.


All I'm going to say is this.. Can't call yourself a Patriot if you think Russia is good and Putin is a good guy. Also, you can't call yourself a Patriot if you support this country based on who is President.
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« Reply #508 on: June 16, 2023, 09:59:16 am »

All I'm going to say is this.. Can't call yourself a Patriot if you think Russia is good and Putin is a good guy. Also, you can't call yourself a Patriot if you support this country based on who is President.

WADR, I think one has to differentiate between the country and the president, at least in the case of the U.S.  The two are not coterminous.

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« Reply #509 on: June 16, 2023, 11:01:47 am »

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1667893691271266304

Yakymivka is about 10 miles SW of Melitopol. So this attack damages or cuts a major rail route for bringing supplies to orcs in the Crimean Peninsula or for shifting troops from the Peninsula to battle zones in Zaporizhzhia.
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« Reply #510 on: June 16, 2023, 11:03:51 am »
Russian State TV Presenter Just Said The Quiet Part Out Loud

https://www.newsweek.com/solovyov-russia-kremlin-propaganda-soviet-union-1806980

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remlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov appeared to lament the break up of the Soviet Union during a recent broadcast.

The anchor of an evening show on the Russia 1 state TV channel that bears his name, Solovyov has repeatedly framed Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a proxy battle between Moscow and the West. His rhetoric includes calling for missile strikes on countries supporting Kyiv, as well as decrying Ukraine and the West that supports it as "satanic."

But during his radio show Full Contact, he seemed to hanker for a Cold War world, according to a video tweeted by Ukrainian internal affairs adviser Anton Gerashchenko.

"Give back the territory," Soloyvov said, "give back the Soviet Union its territory."

My emphasis.
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« Reply #511 on: June 16, 2023, 04:45:01 pm »
Russia offers troops $1.2K bonuses to destroy US-made military vehicles in Ukraine

By Natalie O'Neill
June 16, 2023

Russian soldiers who wipe out American armored vehicles in Ukraine will be rewarded with hefty cash bonuses, officials in Moscow said Friday.

In the country’s latest scheme to beat back Kyiv’s counteroffensive, the Russian Defense Ministry is throwing roughly $600 to $1,200 at troops that destroy a US-made fighter vehicle or enemy tank.

“Payments are currently being made to servicemen of the Russian Federation Armed Forces who in the course of military operations destroyed Leopard tanks, as well as armored fighting vehicles made in the USA and other NATO countries,” the Russian Defense Ministry said, citing reports from field commanders.

The bonuses are part of a larger reward program — in which more than 10,000 Russian troops were given individual bonuses — to incentivize soldiers after Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Moscow said.

Russian soldiers who destroy an enemy tank are rewarded with $1,200 prize while an armored vehicle earns $600, according to Russian officials.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/16/russia-offers-troops-cash-bonuses-to-destroy-us-vehicles-in-ukraine/

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« Reply #512 on: June 16, 2023, 05:30:17 pm »
Putin assassination plot fears prompt Russian special agents to disable mobile internet coverage to stop Ukraine from blowing up Vladimir with a drone

Putin is set to speak in St Petersburg later today at an economic forum
Reports have suggested he is growing increasingly paranoid in the Kremlin

By WILL STEWART and CHRIS JEWERS
16 June 2023


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Gee,I wonder why?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #513 on: June 16, 2023, 05:31:51 pm »

Orcs being Orcs I guess...


But seriously why are Americans backing the Russians in the conflict even if see crap like this. Especially those on the right.

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UNLESS they see themselves as fellow "comrades",I can't even begin to guess.
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« Reply #514 on: June 16, 2023, 05:46:19 pm »
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But seriously why are Americans backing the Russians in the conflict even if see crap like this. Especially those on the right.

I won't guess generally, but as to "those on the right", they seem to oppose anything Biden does because Biden.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #515 on: June 16, 2023, 05:47:40 pm »
Russia offers troops $1.2K bonuses to destroy US-made military vehicles in Ukraine

By Natalie O'Neill
June 16, 2023

Russian soldiers who wipe out American armored vehicles in Ukraine will be rewarded with hefty cash bonuses, officials in Moscow said Friday.

In the country’s latest scheme to beat back Kyiv’s counteroffensive, the Russian Defense Ministry is throwing roughly $600 to $1,200 at troops that destroy a US-made fighter vehicle or enemy tank.

“Payments are currently being made to servicemen of the Russian Federation Armed Forces who in the course of military operations destroyed Leopard tanks, as well as armored fighting vehicles made in the USA and other NATO countries,” the Russian Defense Ministry said, citing reports from field commanders.

The bonuses are part of a larger reward program — in which more than 10,000 Russian troops were given individual bonuses — to incentivize soldiers after Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Moscow said.

Russian soldiers who destroy an enemy tank are rewarded with $1,200 prize while an armored vehicle earns $600, according to Russian officials.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/16/russia-offers-troops-cash-bonuses-to-destroy-us-vehicles-in-ukraine/

That makes no sense.  One would think staying corporeal by stopping an attacking vehicle would be bonus enough.   :shrug:
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #516 on: June 16, 2023, 07:48:40 pm »
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« Reply #517 on: June 16, 2023, 08:14:08 pm »
Ukrainian Special Forces have crossed Dnieper near Oleshky.
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« Reply #518 on: June 16, 2023, 10:28:10 pm »
But seriously why are Americans backing the Russians in the conflict even if see crap like this. Especially those on the right.

Based on reading a bunch of stuff over at TOS, there are a few reasons.  I think they're conspiracist crap, but evidently some others disagree:

The most common is that they see this as a conflict between "globalism", represented by Ukraine and those backing it, and "nationalism", represented by Russia. They look at Ukraine and see George Soros, so they want Russia to win.  They imagine that will somehow help defeat globalist sentiment here in the U.S..  Yeah, don't ask me, it doesn't make sense to me either but that's what they argue.  The more extreme among them actually root for the BRICS nations over the West because they think the West has become corrupt and evil.  Now to be fair, I think there may be quite a few Russian plants among those more extreme types so they may not even really be self-described "conservatives" at all.

It also goes back to the 2020 election, and all the stuff about the Bidens allegedly getting money from Ukraine, etc..   They think that because of Biden ties to Ukraine, a Ukrainian defeat is good for us because we hate Biden.  There's also a perception that Ukraine is pro-Biden and anti-Trump, while Russia is pro-Trump and anti-Biden.  So, that fits in there too.

And I suppose the final bit of it is that they believe that the U.S. government itself is so horrible and corrupt that anything that amounts to a defeat for U.S. government policy is actually a good thing.  In essence, they now root against the U.S. because they don't like who the President is.

@Timber Rattler -- sound about right to you?

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« Reply #520 on: June 17, 2023, 10:31:41 am »
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It also goes back to the 2020 election, and all the stuff about the Bidens allegedly getting money from Ukraine, etc..   They think that because of Biden ties to Ukraine, a Ukrainian defeat is good for us because we hate Biden.  There's also a perception that Ukraine is pro-Biden and anti-Trump, while Russia is pro-Trump and anti-Biden.  So, that fits in there too.

[Sarcasm] The Burisma exec that Hunter was dealing with is so tight with Ukraine President Zelensky that Mykola Zlochevsky fled to Monaco. [/Sarcasm]
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« Reply #521 on: June 17, 2023, 11:50:49 am »
Village recounts '28 days in hell' when they were held hostage and tortured in a basement by Russian soldiers

Alex Crawford  |  Friday 16 June 2023 17:04, UK


The villagers of Yahidne in northern Ukraine are still suffering a collective trauma from what many describe as their 28 days in hell when they were held hostage by Russians soldiers. They're now about to be the star witnesses of Ukraine's biggest war crime trials to date.

Video at link:  https://news.sky.com/video/ukraine-war-village-recounts-28-days-in-hell-when-they-were-held-hostage-and-tortured-in-a-basement-by-russian-soldiers-12903762
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #522 on: June 17, 2023, 02:28:06 pm »
[Sarcasm] The Burisma exec that Hunter was dealing with is so tight with Ukraine President Zelensky that Mykola Zlochevsky fled to Monaco. [/Sarcasm]


Don't forget, Putin is a defender of Christianity and fighting the Globalhomo movement as well.. Never mind that Putin using Muslims to kill Christians.
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« Reply #523 on: June 18, 2023, 09:43:56 am »
 
Drone allegedly captures Russian soldiers executing their fellow soldiers as they attempted to flee
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Drone footage from the battlefields of Ukraine shows what appears to be Russians being shot for trying to flee the combat zone, in what many claim is a return to Soviet Union-era retention policies.

The footage was shared to Telegram by Ukrainian sources and depicts what appears to be Russian regular troops on the battlefield.

When seven of the ten soldiers featured in the video turn to retreat, they are gunned down by three of their fellow soldiers.

The video comes as Ukrainian military forces recapture several areas that were under Russian occupation.

https://warisboring.com/drone-allegedly-captures-russian-soldiers-executing-their-fellow-soldiers-who-were-attempting-to-flee/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #524 on: June 18, 2023, 10:16:25 am »
Stalin used to do this in WW2 didn't he?

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« Reply #525 on: June 18, 2023, 10:31:44 am »
She asked me name my foe then. I said the need within some men to fight and kill their brothers without thought of Love or God. Ken Hensley

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« Reply #526 on: June 18, 2023, 10:49:59 am »
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« Reply #527 on: June 18, 2023, 10:51:17 am »
Don't forget, Putin is a defender of Christianity and fighting the Globalhomo movement as well.

"Liberators" and "Protectors".  At least that is how one poster here put it.
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« Reply #528 on: June 18, 2023, 10:53:20 am »
Putin's shock troops are CASTRATING Ukrainian prisoners of war with pocket knives in torture camps as two survivors reveal experience was 'worse than hell'

    WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT
    Ukrainian soldiers were castrated by Russian troops while prisoners of war
    READ MORE: Russia using 'electric shocks  and mock executions' on Ukrainians

By Oliver Price
17 June 2023

Vladimir Putin's twisted troops are castrating Ukrainian prisoners of war with pocket knives in Russian torture camps.

Two survivors, aged 25 and 28, who had been Russian prisoners for one and three months, revealed their horrifying experience to be worse than hell.

The two Ukrainian soldiers were returned to Ukraine in a prisoner swap and were then referred to psychologist Anzhelika Yatsenko, 41, who helps young men who have faced serious hardship.

Based on her previous experience, she knew that it was likely that they had both been tortured as they were suicidal and the younger soldier had tried to kill himself.

The men were unable to tell her what happened for a month, but told her: 'If there's hell somewhere, it’s worse than that.'

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12206713/Putins-troops-CASTRATING-Ukrainian-prisoners-war-knives-two-survivors-reveal-experience.html

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #529 on: June 18, 2023, 10:54:01 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #530 on: June 18, 2023, 11:06:38 am »
Stalin used to do this in WW2 didn't he?

Yes, he did.

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« Reply #531 on: June 18, 2023, 11:54:15 am »

Drone allegedly captures Russian soldiers executing their fellow soldiers as they attempted to flee
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #532 on: June 18, 2023, 11:28:51 pm »
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If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #534 on: June 19, 2023, 01:11:56 am »
Stalin used to do this in WW2 didn't he?
Yep. The movie Enemy at the Gates was accurate in that regard.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #535 on: June 19, 2023, 07:20:15 am »
Russians send Soviet-era tanks packed with explosives into Ukraine

By Joe Tacopino
June 19, 2023

Russian soldiers are packing defunct, Soviet-era tanks with devastating explosives and rolling them directly into Ukrainian positions in the latest desperate attempt by the Kremlin to gain an advantage on the battlefield.

In video footage posted online, a 70-year-old T-54 tank rigged with six tons of explosives could be seen guided by remote control as it rolls toward a Ukrainian trench.

The vehicle-borne improvised explosive device, however, is obliterated into a cloud of dust and smoke when it suddenly strikes a mine before being demolished by a Ukrainian anti-tank missile, according to Forbes.

The massive explosion took place just about 200 feet from Ukrainian soldiers, some of whom may have been killed or injured by the blast.

The clandestine move by Russian forces shows the desperation of Moscow and Russian President Vladimir Putin 16 months into a difficult and protracted conflict.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/19/russians-send-soviet-era-tanks-packed-with-explosives-into-ukraine/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #536 on: June 19, 2023, 07:56:56 am »
Russians send Soviet-era tanks packed with explosives into Ukraine

By Joe Tacopino
June 19, 2023

Russian soldiers are packing defunct, Soviet-era tanks with devastating explosives and rolling them directly into Ukrainian positions in the latest desperate attempt by the Kremlin to gain an advantage on the battlefield.

In video footage posted online, a 70-year-old T-54 tank rigged with six tons of explosives could be seen guided by remote control as it rolls toward a Ukrainian trench.

The vehicle-borne improvised explosive device, however, is obliterated into a cloud of dust and smoke when it suddenly strikes a mine before being demolished by a Ukrainian anti-tank missile, according to Forbes.

The massive explosion took place just about 200 feet from Ukrainian soldiers, some of whom may have been killed or injured by the blast.

The clandestine move by Russian forces shows the desperation of Moscow and Russian President Vladimir Putin 16 months into a difficult and protracted conflict.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/19/russians-send-soviet-era-tanks-packed-with-explosives-into-ukraine/


Not a good sign for Russia.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #537 on: June 19, 2023, 08:01:09 am »
British Challenger Two tanks are seen on the Ukrainian front line for the first time as Russian helicopter attacks force Kyiv to 'pause' counter-offensive after at least 20 Western tanks and IFVs were destroyed

British Challenger 2 tanks were sent to Ukraine to help with counter attack
READ: Russia has been using suicide tanks in a bid to restrict Ukrainian advances

By ARTHUR PARASHAR
18 June 2023

British Challenger 2 tanks have been spotted on the Ukrainian front line for the first time - as Russian helicopter attacks reportedly force Kyiv to pause their counter-offensive after at least 20 Western tanks and IFVs were destroyed.

A squadron of 14 Challenger 2 tanks, which have a 120mm rifled gun and a 7.62mm machine gun, were gifted by Britain earlier this year as the West continue to show their unwavering support to Ukraine in their fight against Vladimir Putin's invasion.

The £5m Challenger 2 is designed to attack other tanks and have far greater ranges and accuracy than the Kremlin's equivalent.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208757/British-Challenger-Two-tanks-seen-Ukrainian-line-time.html

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #538 on: June 19, 2023, 08:02:56 am »
Ukraine continues counter-offensive, takes control of village in southern Zaporizhzhia

By Isabel Keane
June 18, 2023

Ukraine recaptured a village in the southern Zaporizhzhia region — the second area claimed since the launch of its counter-offensive last week.

A Russian-installed official acknowledged Ukraine’s gain on the village of Piatykhatky Sunday, saying on Telegram their forces were entrenching themselves there while coming under fire from Russian artillery.

“The enemy’s ‘wave-like’ offensives yielded results, despite enormous losses,” said the official, Vladimir Rogov, on the Telegram messaging app.

According to Rogov, heavy fighting has persisted in the region, though there has been no official word on the action from Ukraine.

If confirmed, it would be Ukraine’s first village gain in nearly a week as the country escalates its offensive heading toward Crimea.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/18/ukraine-takes-control-of-village-on-zaporizhzhia-front/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #540 on: June 19, 2023, 09:55:38 am »
Car 'packed with explosives' is seen on top of Ukrainian dam shortly before it is destroyed 'by Russia' in drone images released by Kyiv

Kakhovka Dam was destroyed on June 6, causing catastrophic flooding
Intelligence suggests Russia had means, motive and opportunity to destroy it

By CHRIS JEWERS and ASSOCIATED PRESS
19 June 2023

A car said to be packed with explosives was pictured on top of a Ukrainian dam shortly before it was blown up earlier this month, causing catastrophic flooding to a region in the south of the country, drone images released by Kyiv show.

The images form part of a report that suggests Russia had the means, motive and opportunity to bring down the dam earlier this month while under Moscow's control.

Images taken from above the Kakhovka Dam and shared with the Associated Press appear to show an explosive-laden car atop the structure.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210361/Car-packed-explosives-seen-Ukrainian-dam-shortly-destroyed.html


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #541 on: June 19, 2023, 10:13:55 am »
Russians send Soviet-era tanks packed with explosives into Ukraine

By Joe Tacopino
June 19, 2023

Russian soldiers are packing defunct, Soviet-era tanks with devastating explosives and rolling them directly into Ukrainian positions in the latest desperate attempt by the Kremlin to gain an advantage on the battlefield.

In video footage posted online, a 70-year-old T-54 tank rigged with six tons of explosives could be seen guided by remote control as it rolls toward a Ukrainian trench.

The vehicle-borne improvised explosive device, however, is obliterated into a cloud of dust and smoke when it suddenly strikes a mine before being demolished by a Ukrainian anti-tank missile, according to Forbes.

The massive explosion took place just about 200 feet from Ukrainian soldiers, some of whom may have been killed or injured by the blast.

The clandestine move by Russian forces shows the desperation of Moscow and Russian President Vladimir Putin 16 months into a difficult and protracted conflict.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/19/russians-send-soviet-era-tanks-packed-with-explosives-into-ukraine/

@Kamaji

The whole world knows that at this point,discounting their nuclear weapons,the "Mighty Soviet Union" of the 50's and 60's is now a Paper Tiger.

The question I have is "WHY haven't the geezers in the Kremlin got together before this became as obvious as the sun in your eyes,and figured out some way to bow gracefully,declare a victory,and return their troops behind Soviet borders?

Look at probably their biggest event of the year,the annual May Day Parade,where the USSR trots their finest troops and military hardware down Red Square to the admiring applause of their serfs.

This year they only had ONE tank in the parade,and now they are sending the previously obsolete tanks they  USED to have as reserves,into front line positions filled with explosives to open a hole in the Ukrainian front lines.

This tells ME they are running even lower on replacement soldiers than they are replacement tanks.

The geezer Generals and Admirals in the walls of power in Moscow had BETTER be getting their Biden in order and ordering retreats back behind the borders while they still have living troops and mobile tanks capable of retreating.

Ask yourself this,What is THE most dangerous thing that can happen to a dictatorship?"

The obvious answer is "To have their serfs stop fearing them."

I have a feeling that "History is going to be made soon,BIG TIME!"

Sadly,I don't see Pooty Poot and the other senior Soviets giving up  their armored Mercedes,Mansions guarded by elite Red Army units outside of town,or any of their personal wealth in a "grab as much as you can and run to the border!" moment.

I see them calling out what is left of the Red Army to fire on the protestors.

This would have worked as recently as 5 or 10 years ago,but I am not so certain the actual soldiers in the Red Army wouldn't fire on their superiors at this point. After all,who has suffered more or seen the evidence of the incompetence of the Soviet leadership than them?

Will the senior Soviet response be to unleash the nukes on Ukraine as well as some of their own cities,or to don worn clothes and an old Lada in a mad rush to the border to seek exile?

"Interesting times",indeed for those of us who can witness it from a distance.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #542 on: June 19, 2023, 10:29:09 am »
Russians send Soviet-era tanks packed with explosives into Ukraine

By Joe Tacopino
June 19, 2023

Russian soldiers are packing defunct, Soviet-era tanks with devastating explosives and rolling them directly into Ukrainian positions in the latest desperate attempt by the Kremlin to gain an advantage on the battlefield.

In video footage posted online, a 70-year-old T-54 tank rigged with six tons of explosives could be seen guided by remote control as it rolls toward a Ukrainian trench.

The vehicle-borne improvised explosive device, however, is obliterated into a cloud of dust and smoke when it suddenly strikes a mine before being demolished by a Ukrainian anti-tank missile, according to Forbes.

The massive explosion took place just about 200 feet from Ukrainian soldiers, some of whom may have been killed or injured by the blast.

The clandestine move by Russian forces shows the desperation of Moscow and Russian President Vladimir Putin 16 months into a difficult and protracted conflict.

Sort of a mega-grenade on steroids and meth.


Ukraine continues counter-offensive, takes control of village in southern Zaporizhzhia

By Isabel Keane
June 18, 2023

Ukraine recaptured a village in the southern Zaporizhzhia region — the second area claimed since the launch of its counter-offensive last week.

A Russian-installed official acknowledged Ukraine’s gain on the village of Piatykhatky Sunday, saying on Telegram their forces were entrenching themselves there while coming under fire from Russian artillery.

“The enemy’s ‘wave-like’ offensives yielded results, despite enormous losses,” said the official, Vladimir Rogov, on the Telegram messaging app.

From what I've read, the orcs have heavy-duty multi-layered defenses in the Zaporizhzhia region. If the Ukrainians slug their way through those defenses and reach the Black Sea, the only supply routes for the Crimean Peninsula would be by sea and the Kerch Strait Bridge, all of which would be in range of much of Ukraine's artillery and missiles. The major port and strategic naval base at Sevastopol could be rendered untenable by such a breakthrough.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #543 on: June 19, 2023, 07:17:46 pm »
The Mine-Laying Lawnmower of Death

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=55188

I try to keep up with the latest drone developments out of the Russo-Ukrainian War, so this funky remote-control mine-laying device caught my eye:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1652251628857344003

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #544 on: June 20, 2023, 08:00:33 am »
Based on reading a bunch of stuff over at TOS, there are a few reasons.  I think they're conspiracist crap, but evidently some others disagree:

The most common is that they see this as a conflict between "globalism", represented by Ukraine and those backing it, and "nationalism", represented by Russia. They look at Ukraine and see George Soros, so they want Russia to win.  They imagine that will somehow help defeat globalist sentiment here in the U.S..  Yeah, don't ask me, it doesn't make sense to me either but that's what they argue.  The more extreme among them actually root for the BRICS nations over the West because they think the West has become corrupt and evil.  Now to be fair, I think there may be quite a few Russian plants among those more extreme types so they may not even really be self-described "conservatives" at all.

It also goes back to the 2020 election, and all the stuff about the Bidens allegedly getting money from Ukraine, etc..   They think that because of Biden ties to Ukraine, a Ukrainian defeat is good for us because we hate Biden.  There's also a perception that Ukraine is pro-Biden and anti-Trump, while Russia is pro-Trump and anti-Biden.  So, that fits in there too.

And I suppose the final bit of it is that they believe that the U.S. government itself is so horrible and corrupt that anything that amounts to a defeat for U.S. government policy is actually a good thing.  In essence, they now root against the U.S. because they don't like who the President is.

@Timber Rattler -- sound about right to you?

Yeah, I laid out my own take up thread a few pages back.  Just to add to your list, there are also the Libertarian pacifists and isolationists (like BobL) and former military and ex-contractor folks from GWOT and Iraq (like Travis McGee and Allegra) who feel like (with some justification) we got burned in those wars and just want to pull up the drawbridge and let the rest of the world burn.  There are also the appeasers who believe that if the US and NATO force Ukraine to unconditionally surrender to Russia then the big-bad Putin will get what he wants and go away.  They didn't learn that lesson from World War II.  There are also some "principled" but misguided and short-sighted Conservatives (like caww and Sacajawea) who argue that we simply cannot afford to spend billions and billions on Ukraine when our own country is falling apart economically.  I'm sympathetic to that argument myself BUT being a student of history also understand that if Putin is not stopped in Ukraine then there will be a larger, more expensive, and more destructive war down the road against NATO that my kids and grandkids will have to fight in Eastern Europe.  So I'd much rather pay billions now instead of trillions later, and allow the Ukrainians to fight for their own freedom so that American kids don't have to do so later.  Russia needed to be de-fanged.

And if there is any doubt that Putin saw his invasion as only a one-time encroachment and annexation, then this story from July 2022 should put an end to that nonsense once and for all:

Kremlin official suggests Russia could one day try to reclaim Alaska from the US

https://www.businessinsider.com/kremlin-official-suggests-US-remember-Alaska-belonged-to-Russia-2022-7?op=1
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #545 on: June 20, 2023, 08:09:52 am »
Russia launches overnight air attack on Ukraine from east to west

By Reuters
June 20, 2023

Russia launched a widespread overnight air attack on Ukraine targeting the capital and cities from east to west as most of the country spent the night with air raid sirens blasting for several hours.

The General Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces said that according to preliminary information, Ukraine’s air defense systems shot down 28 out of 30 Iranian-made Shahed drones that Russia launched.

About 20 enemy targets were identified and destroyed by the forces and our air defense in the airspace around Kyiv, Serhiy Popko, head of the Kyiv military administration, said on the Telegram messaging app.

“Another massive air attack on the capital,” Popko said.

The military administration of Lviv, a city of about 700,000 people and 43 miles from the border with the NATO country of Poland, said Russia hit a “critical infrastructure” in the city, sparking fire.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/06/20/russia-launches-overnight-air-attack-on-ukraine-from-east-to-west/

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« Reply #546 on: June 20, 2023, 09:45:57 am »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Hitler's terror bombing of London civilians had the opposite of the pre-imagined effect.

How does one say, "Damn your eyes!" in Ukrainian?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #547 on: June 20, 2023, 03:59:27 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Hitler's terror bombing of London civilians had the opposite of the pre-imagined effect.

How does one say, "Damn your eyes!" in Ukrainian?

@PeteS in CA 

You are NOT wrong.

The terror  bombing of London had the opposite effect of what the Germans expected. What it accomplished was pissing off the entire population to the point where practically everybody was united in wanting to see Germany bombed into rubble.


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #548 on: June 20, 2023, 06:15:50 pm »
Baby needs a new pair of shoes. Or something.

The United States is sending an additional $6.2 billion to Ukraine after they discovered an accounting error. How nice for Zelensky.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #549 on: June 20, 2023, 06:20:49 pm »
@PeteS in CA 

You are NOT wrong.

The terror  bombing of London had the opposite effect of what the Germans expected. What it accomplished was pissing off the entire population to the point where practically everybody was united in wanting to see Germany bombed into rubble.
In the public eye, from that point on, the indiscriminate bombing of German population centers was considered justified retaliation. That same mindset carried over into the incendiary bombing of virtually every major city in Japan. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were among four which had not been severely burned, and that's why they were on the target list for the A-Bomb.
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