Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set

[GtHawk]

Since he believed the gun was not loaded - a claim that seems reasonable - there was not sufficient intent to shoot.

That is the whole point of the gun safety rules - they exist to prevent bad things happening unintentionally, not to stop intentional actions.

It was his responsibility as both producer and actor to visually and physically inspect the weapon when it was given to him and to dry fire it into the ground also to prove it unloaded, this same procedure should have been followed by the armorer and the person she handed it to to give Baldwin. These are the industry standards that other actor/producers like Schneider have hammered Baldwin for just days after it happened. Baldwin has been on enough big budget films(unlike his on the cheap production) where he uses guns in his role to know what the standards and rules are for handling weapons on a set. The bottom line is Baldwin is an arrogant ass that believes he is above the rule and it cost a woman her life.

This should cost Baldwin not just a very large sum of cash but also jail time. But being a high profile liberal POS he will skate on the jail time.

[LegalAmerican]

It was his responsibility as both producer and actor to visually and physically inspect the weapon when it was given to him and to dry fire it into the ground also to prove it unloaded, this same procedure should have been followed by the armorer and the person she handed it to to give Baldwin. These are the industry standards that other actor/producers like Schneider have hammered Baldwin for just days after it happened. Baldwin has been on enough big budget films(unlike his on the cheap production) where he uses guns in his role to know what the standards and rules are for handling weapons on a set. The bottom line is Baldwin is an arrogant ass that believes he is above the rule and it cost a woman her life.

This should cost Baldwin not just a very large sum of cash but also jail time. But being a high profile liberal POS he will skate on the jail time.

Those who don't get gun safety, a news person said this; "Would you put a gun to your head without checking first"?   

[240B]

Not only does Baldwin own the production company, and he is the producer of the show, but Baldwin is also the perp. He has full responsibility for 'everything'.

Whether criminal charges (manslaughter/gross negligence) are filed or not, he is going to bankrupt from the avalanche of lawsuits about to fall on his head. Not only from the victims, but the other staff can claim emotional distress (PTSD). All of that without mentioning all of the creditors and financiers who are going to join the party.

Alec Baldwin is done. He is over. He will be lucky to come out of this mess with the shirt on his back.

[LegalAmerican]

Not only does Baldwin own the production company, and he is the producer of the show, but Baldwin is also the perp. He has full responsibility for 'everything'.

Whether criminal charges (manslaughter/gross negligence) are filed or not, he is going to bankrupt from the avalanche of lawsuits about to fall on his head. Not only from the victims, but the other staff can claim emotional distress (PTSD). All of that without mentioning all of the creditors and financiers who are going to join the party.

Alec Baldwin is done. He is over. He will be lucky to come out of this mess with the shirt on his back.

I hope so.  He has been so nasty a long time.   

[LMAO]

Not only does Baldwin own the production company, and he is the producer of the show, but Baldwin is also the perp. He has full responsibility for 'everything'.

Whether criminal charges (manslaughter/gross negligence) are filed or not, he is going to bankrupt from the avalanche of lawsuits about to fall on his head. Not only from the victims, but the other staff can claim emotional distress (PTSD). All of that without mentioning all of the creditors and financiers who are going to join the party.

Alec Baldwin is done. He is over. He will be lucky to come out of this mess with the shirt on his back.

On both, he’ll probably strike a deal with prosecutors and probably reach a settlement with the victim’s families

Baldwin is a huge backer of taking people’s guns away. And, like every other activist when it comes to firearms, he’s very ignorant when it comes to guns

[Elderberry]

Alec Baldwin Interview Reinforces Hutchins’ Death As Involuntary Manslaughter

Legal Insurrection by  Andrew Branca Saturday, December 4, 2021

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/12/alec-baldwin-interview-only-reinforces-hutchins-death-as-involuntary-manslaughter/

Interview hurt rather than helped Baldwin’s case on legal merits, but likely a political rather than legal ploy

Alec Baldwin recently gave a lengthy interview to George Stephanopoulos on the matter of Alec Baldwin’s fatal October 21 shooting of Halyna Hutchins, who was working as the cinematographer on the low-budget Western film “Rust,” on which Alec Baldwin was both the leading star and a producer. That interview aired the night of Thursday, December 2.

I’d written extensively on the legal implications around Alec Baldwin’s shooting of Halyna, particularly “Legal Analysis: Does Alec Baldwin Have Criminal Exposure After Shooting Woman Dead In Apparent Mistake?” the day after the shooting, and “Legal Analysis: Alec Baldwin Situation Beginning to Look a Lot Like Manslaughter” three days later.  My conclusion, as the latter title suggests, is that Alec Baldwin’s conduct appears to have met all the conditions for felony involuntary manslaughter under New Mexico law.

For the last two days I’ve been receiving endless inquiries about whether Alec Baldwin’s interview in any way changes that legal conclusion.  Having just had an opportunity to watch the interview a few minutes ago, this post is my response:

No, the interview did nothing to change my legal opinion.  Indeed, not only am I more convinced today than when I wrote my previous analysis that Alec Baldwin’s conduct qualifies as felony involuntary manslaughter under New Mexico law, his interview “testimony” only strengthened that view.

In other words, Alec Baldwin violated the first rule of finding that you’ve dug yourself into a hole—stop digging.

The Relevant Facts

It’s common in human events of a chaotic nature for there to be a great number of facts and claims swirling around that may be fascinating and interesting to contemplate, and that make great fodder for water-cooler and internet conversation and commentary, but that are also largely irrelevant to legal analysis.

More at link.

[Hoodat]

Santa Fe DA Warns ‘Criminally Culpable’ Charge Still Possible in ‘Rust’ Shooting After Alec Baldwin ABC Interview

PAUL BOIS   |   4 Dec 2021

On Friday, First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies clarified that it is still very possible for Alec Baldwin to be “criminally culpable” in Hutchins’ death depending on what the investigation yields.

“Certain individuals may be criminally culpable for his/her actions and/or inactions on the set of Rust,” Carmack-Altwies told Deadline.

Carmack-Altwies asserted that she will “exercise my prosecutorial discretion to its fullest, including filing charges that are supported by probable cause.”

The district attorney further clarified that “everyone” handling firearms on the set of Rust had a duty to follow safety protocols.

“Everyone involved in the handling and use of firearms on the set had a duty to behave in a manner such that the safety of others was protected, and it appears that certain actions and inactions contributed to this outcome,” Carmack-Altwies the attorney said.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/12/04/santa-fe-da-warns-criminally-culpable-charge-still-possible-in-rust-shooting-after-alec-baldwin-abc-interview/

[catfish1957]

I don't know who is giving numbnuts Baldwin legal advise, but his little PR stunt just might be admissable as evidence, especially if he spouts some inconsistencies on the stand.

[Lando Lincoln]

I don't know who is giving numbnuts Baldwin legal advise, but his little PR stunt just might be admissable as evidence, especially if he spouts some inconsistencies on the stand.

People like Baldwin just can't help themselves.  Narcissistic, egotistical, empty vessels.

It will be interesting how this plays out.

[Kamaji]

I don't know who is giving numbnuts Baldwin legal advise, but his little PR stunt just might be admissable as evidence, especially if he spouts some inconsistencies on the stand.

It'll be admissible to the extent that it contradicts anything his defense presents at trial, but won't be admissible to confirm his claims.

[Hoodat]

I don't know who is giving numbnuts Baldwin legal advise, but his little PR stunt just might be admissable as evidence, especially if he spouts some inconsistencies on the stand.

It is absolutely positively admissible as evidence.  His ego does not know the meaning of 'right to remain silent'.  I can see him overruling his own attorneys and taking the stand in his defense because he is such a great actor.

Does anyone remember the movie 'Malice' with him and Nicole Kidman?  In that movie, Baldwin played a doctor who took the stand to testify in his own malpractice trial.  I think we are going to see a replay of that.  It takes one heck of a big ego to blame the victim in this case.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1466595543799324672

[Cyber Liberty]

It'll be admissible to the extent that it contradicts anything his defense presents at trial, but won't be admissible to confirm his claims.

True.  I've seen lawyers on videos advise never talking to the police because not only can you inadvertently incriminate yourself, anything you say to exonerate yourself won't be admitted in court.  It's a one-way street.

[roamer_1]

People like Baldwin just can't help themselves.  Narcissistic, egotistical, empty vessels.

It will be interesting how this plays out.

He'll get a walk... and the armorer will take the ride. Watch and see....

[Cyber Liberty]

He'll get a walk... and the armorer will take the ride. Watch and see....

I'm positive this is true.  Ms. Hannah Reed is it.  (Side note:  She lives in my little town.)

[Elderberry]

I'm positive this is true.  Ms. Hannah Reed is it.  (Side note:  She lives in my little town.)

I don't think so. Baldwin didn't get the gun directly from her. You have to follow the "Chain of Custody". The bullet could have been added After it left her possession.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't think so. Baldwin didn't get the gun directly from her. You have to follow the "Chain of Custody". The bullet could have been added After it left her possession.

The scapegoat has to be high in the management hierarchy of the studio.  The stage hand won't do.  Remember, big heads have to roll to protect Baldwin.

[Hoodat]

Alec Baldwin deletes Twitter account following tell-all interview about fatal 'Rust' shooting

Tyler McCarthy  •  Dec. 5, 2021

Alec Baldwin has deleted one of his two Twitter accounts following his tell-all interview with George Stephanopoulos about the shooting incident that took place on the set of the movie "Rust."

The actor had two verified Twitter accounts, one of which he was much more active on and was the one he used to previously issue statements about the fatal shooting incident that took place on the set of the indie-western movie in October. However, following his interview last week, it seems the star has completely deleted the account labeled @AlecBaldwin. However, his account @AlecBaldwln____ remains live with the latest tweet being from October 19. Prior to that, it was only active in June.

It’s unclear why the actor chose this time to delete the account. Representatives for Baldwin did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-deletes-twitter-interview-fatal-rust-shooting

[Smokin Joe]

Most sources report the gun was a Colt Single-Action Army. If so, what Baldwin is saying about not pulling the trigger is plausible. The Colt SAA does not have a modern transfer bar or hammer block safety system that prevents the hammer from impacting a live round without the trigger being pulled. If you pull the hammer back on the SAA without being fully cocked, and then releasing it, the hammer can strike with sufficient force to fire a round in the live cylinder. This is why most shooters of the SAA keep an empty cylinder under the hammer.

That said, he is still responsible for the safety of that gun.

Good point, @Lando Lincoln It wasn't until the late 70s that I got a revolver with the transfer bar. A lot of older guns just didn't have that (which was why you could 'fan' them).

[Idiot]

Good point, @Lando Lincoln It wasn't until the late 70s that I got a revolver with the transfer bar. A lot of older guns just didn't have that (which was why you could 'fan' them).

I can fan mine...but I'd never try it.  With my luck I'd shoot myself...lol.

[Hoodat]

Malice  -  God Complex (Alec Baldwin)

[Elderberry]

Analysis: Alec Baldwin’s Gun Could Have Fired Without Him Pulling the Trigger, But Did It?

https://thereload.com/analysis-yes-alec-baldwins-gun-could-have-fired-without-him-pulling-the-trigger/

Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza identified the gun used in the shooting as a modern Pietta replica of a single-action army revolver. Those guns can be bought either with a transfer bar that makes it impossible for the firing pin to strike the primer unless the trigger is pulled or without one. Often, enthusiasts and collectors prefer the models without modern safety devices because it’s more authentic and perfectly safe when handled properly.

[Elderberry]

Alec Baldwin TV Sit-Down On ‘Rust’ Shooting Prompts D.A. To Warn “Criminally Culpable” Option Still Possible

Deadline By Dominic Patten

Alec Baldwin may believe it is “highly unlikely” he’ll face criminal charges out of the fatal shooting of Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, but the Santa Fe District Attorney hasn’t ruled out the option.

In a pretty direct response to the actor/producer’s numerous and highly emotional assertions last night on ABC to George Stephanopoulos, First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies said Friday that “certain individuals may be criminally culpable for his/her actions and/or inactions on the set of Rust.”

Noting that she plans to “exercise my prosecutorial discretion to its fullest, including filing charges that are supported by probable cause,” Carmack-Altwies also said today that her office is “exploring various legal theories at the time.”

As the D.A. has made clear repeatedly since the horror of the October 21 killing of the DoP and the injuring of director Joel Souza on the Bonanza Creek Ranch set of the low budget Western, everything revolves around the completion of the Santa Fe Sheriff’s Office’s ongoing probe of the tragedy.

[Kamaji]

Malice  -  God Complex (Alec Baldwin)

I don't think Baldwin was really acting in that scene.

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1468051315611914245

[LegalAmerican]

I don't think Baldwin was really acting in that scene.

 

(Soros has said, he is a god too).

[LegalAmerican]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1468051315611914245

I have said from the beginning..on purpose.  He is a woman hater.  Many men, like this, like to intimidate a woman, bringing out a gun.  In BATTERED BOOK INFO FOR WOMEN.   He picked his target. He pointed the gun at her. He cocked the gun, he pulled the trigger.  Notice, how he treated his present wife.  Not to mention his temper and run in with police. His vile tape recording threatening his daughter with Kim. Calling her a pig, and wanting to set her 'straight'.  How? 

[Hoodat]

Alec Baldwin Erupts At Reporter Asking Questions, Wife Forced To Hold Him Back

Ryan Saavedra  •  Dec 6, 2021

Actor Alec Baldwin erupted at a New York Post reporter on Monday evening for asking him questions and had to be restrained by his wife.

Reporter Jon Levine ran into Baldwin while walking around New York City and asked him what brought him to the area.

Baldwin’s wife, Hilaria, immediately tried to get Levine to leave as she recorded him.

Alec Baldwin erupted, pointing an umbrella at Levine and angrily walking toward him.

“You are not allowed to photograph onto somebody’s private home,” Alec Baldwin said as he had to be restrained by his wife. “You can’t photograph onto somebody’s private home.”

https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1468037683633168391

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-alec-baldwin-erupts-at-reporter-asking-questions-wife-forced-to-hold-him-back


This is the same person who shouted we should go to Henry Hyde's private home and kill his wife and children.

[mountaineer]

You can't photograph "onto" someone's home? What a nitwit.

[mountaineer]

Tweeted by Jack Posobiec

 

[Cyber Liberty]

Who is this Doug Bands guy?

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://mobile.twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1468328213831106563

[Hoodat]

Who is this Doug Bands guy?

Doug Band is shocked — shocked! — to discover the Clintons are slimy

Maureen Callahan  |  December 3, 2020  |  6:28pm

Et tú, Doug Band?

In a stunning political and personal betrayal, Bill Clinton’s erstwhile consigliere has spilled his guts to Vanity Fair. It’s impossible to look away.

“Confessions of a Clintonworld Exile,” by its very existence, proves beyond a doubt that the Clintons have lost whatever waning political capital remained. Consider that, at the height of their powers, Clinton loyalists would sooner go to prison (as Susan McDougal did, 18 months served, eight months of those in solitary) rather than compromise the ever-comprised Clintons.

Bill must have done something very, very bad — worse than his usual self-dealing and pathological deceit — for Band, a surrogate son, to lash out like this.

As the piece opens, we meet the middle-aged Band in his Manhattan office, framed photos of Bill Clinton covering walls, tables — “virtually every surface,” Gabriel Sherman writes, “except for windows.”  .  .  .

https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/doug-band-is-shocked-shocked-to-discover-the-clintons-are-slimy/

[GtHawk]

Doug Band is shocked — shocked! — to discover the Clintons are slimy

Maureen Callahan  |  December 3, 2020  |  6:28pm

Et tú, Doug Band?

In a stunning political and personal betrayal, Bill Clinton’s erstwhile consigliere has spilled his guts to Vanity Fair. It’s impossible to look away.

“Confessions of a Clintonworld Exile,” by its very existence, proves beyond a doubt that the Clintons have lost whatever waning political capital remained. Consider that, at the height of their powers, Clinton loyalists would sooner go to prison (as Susan McDougal did, 18 months served, eight months of those in solitary) rather than compromise the ever-comprised Clintons.

Bill must have done something very, very bad — worse than his usual self-dealing and pathological deceit — for Band, a surrogate son, to lash out like this.

As the piece opens, we meet the middle-aged Band in his Manhattan office, framed photos of Bill Clinton covering walls, tables — “virtually every surface,” Gabriel Sherman writes, “except for windows.”  .  .  .

https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/doug-band-is-shocked-shocked-to-discover-the-clintons-are-slimy/

Sounds like Band is about to or is shopping a book deal to squeeze the last few millions he can out of his Clinton relationship. I sure hope he doesn't accidently like gets suicided before he can. Maybe this is why Hitlary was out trying to cry up some sympathy.

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1469054125350526977

[GtHawk]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1469054125350526977

I never new you could get PTSD from being a condescending ass to others.

[LegalAmerican]

Who is this Doug Bands guy?

I see Mike Lee on there a few times.  BFFs of Ted Cruz.  Mike Lee.  R. Senator from Utah.
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Bill Clinton Aide Doug Band Details Clinton Involvement with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell
Mar 5, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1a9fYY4C4

[Kamaji]

[mountaineer]

I see Mike Lee on there a few times.  BFFs of Ted Cruz.  Mike Lee.  R. Senator from Utah.

I take with a grain of salt some of the common names that appear on the flight logs. "Mike Lee" or "John Roberts" might be anyone, or they might be a member of Congress, Supreme Court justice, etc. Not sure we have enough information to know for sure.

[EdinVA]

I take with a grain of salt some of the common names that appear on the flight logs. "Mike Lee" or "John Roberts" might be anyone, or they might be a member of Congress, Supreme Court justice, etc. Not sure we have enough information to know for sure.

And I am sure photo ID's were required... 

[Kamaji]

And I am sure photo ID's were required... 

But were copies thereof maintained?  Was there a provable log showing they were actually checked?  And, considering that the first name "John" is, shall we say, rather common, and the surname "Roberts" not uncommon, is it outlandish to think that there might have been another "John Roberts" on the flight?

[mountaineer]

Wait a minute, did we get derailed and start talking about the Epstein case on Alec's thread? Two upstanding citizens, to be sure.

[LegalAmerican]

I take with a grain of salt some of the common names that appear on the flight logs. "Mike Lee" or "John Roberts" might be anyone, or they might be a member of Congress, Supreme Court justice, etc. Not sure we have enough information to know for sure.

I agree, however, it would NOT be a common man on those flights.  People with money and connections. 

[DB]

I agree, however, it would NOT be a common man on those flights.  People with money and connections.

And you base that on what? There are likely thousands of people named "Mike Lee" in the US.

[LegalAmerican]

And you base that on what? There are likely thousands of people named "Mike Lee" in the US.

I already GAVE the answer.  How many common men, named Mike Lee, would be invited on the LOLITA EXPRESS or fly on it?  People with money, power and connections, would be invited or want to go.  Common sense. 

[DB]

I already GAVE the answer.  How many common men, named Mike Lee, would be invited on the LOLITA EXPRESS or fly on it?  People with money, power and connections, would be invited or want to go.  Common sense.

If there are thousands of people with that name, the odds are that some number of them are "people with money".

[Kamaji]

If there are thousands of people with that name, the odds are that some number of them are "people with money".

Yup.  Whitepages.com finds more hits than it can list for that name:  https://www.whitepages.com/name/Mike-Lee?fs=1&searchedName=mike%20lee&searchedLocation=

[mountaineer]

Is there any connection between Alec Baldwin and Jeffrey Epstein (other than both being massive pieces of cowdung)?

Edited to say: Oh, yes, there is! https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,455669.0/topicseen.html

[mountaineer]

John Schnieder - Why Wasn’t Alec Baldwin Surprised When the Gun Went Off?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=81&v=0Sa5LIfNaKs&feature=emb_logo

[Smokin Joe]

I agree, however, it would NOT be a common man on those flights.  People with money and connections.

I agree. These people would have money, connections, etc.

While possible more than one have the same name, or the name of someone else who is prominent but not involved, it becomes far less likely that 'just any' person would be on those flights.
Money, influence, power, or motives of looking for leverage on the person would shrink the pool. Fry cooks need not apply.
Those criteria would limit the pool from which the passengers on the 'express' would be drawn, and increase the probability that someone on the list would be "The" (fill in name) rather than just another (fill in name).

[DB]

I agree. These people would have money, connections, etc.

While possible more than one have the same name, or the name of someone else who is prominent but not involved, it becomes far less likely that 'just any' person would be on those flights.
Money, influence, power, or motives of looking for leverage on the person would shrink the pool. Fry cooks need not apply.
Those criteria would limit the pool from which the passengers on the 'express' would be drawn, and increase the probability that someone on the list would be "The" (fill in name) rather than just another (fill in name).

She's claiming Mike Lee the senator from Utah is the guy on the flights. Her only evidence is the name - which is a pretty common one. I'll wait for some actual evidence that it was that Mike Lee.