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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #250 on: October 29, 2021, 04:13:11 pm »
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #251 on: October 29, 2021, 04:18:42 pm »
I don't recall Hannah Gutierrez-Reed pointing a gun at anyone and pulling the trigger.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #252 on: October 29, 2021, 04:34:11 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on October 29, 2021, 03:01:54 pm
If Alec Baldwin was a card-carrying member of the NRA, this wouldn't have happened.  He would have had better knowledge of gun safety.
Baldwin is a veteran of many high budget movies with professional prop and safety operators who must have educated if not drilled gun safety into the megalomaniacs head, Baldwin cannot hide behind ignorance of gun safety protocols.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #253 on: October 29, 2021, 05:22:59 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 24, 2021, 12:10:03 pm
It matters not what Baldwin thought.  What matters is what he is must do. 

As the producer, it is his legal obligation to make sure all protocols for guns on the set are followed:  a capable armorer, the security of each weapon, no live ammunition.  As the actor handling the gun it is his responsibility to physically check the gun for bullets of any kind and not to point the gun, under any circumstance, at a human being he did not intend to kill.

A woman, wife, mother is dead due to the producer-actor's  negligence, not because he played with toy guns when he was eight years old.




Cyber is correct.  It was a peacemaker, which required it to be COCKED...before pulling the trigger.  And one never puts their finger on the trigger....unless to kill.   There is some thing going around about it being OCTOBER...and satanic crap going on.  They said a lot of Hollyweird is into satanism. Their parties with cakes made into human beings and bloody.   Trying to find the link.  Who knows?   


https://www.henrymakow.com/2021/10/was- ... 1627224119

I see. 404'ed.  I saved some of the words, if you want them.


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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #254 on: October 29, 2021, 07:14:10 pm »
Quote from: verga on October 29, 2021, 03:04:52 pm
If theya re using a period accurate firearm, it was single action: meaning you have to cock the hammer and then pull the trigger to fire. To check, load, and clear it requires pulling the hammer to half cock, opening the loading gate and rotating the cylinder to determine if there are any rounds. This Is neither rocket surgery, or brain science.

ESPECIALLY since it's a wheel gun... I can see the uninitiated forgetting to clear the chamber on something clip fed... That is the major malfunction I have had, having converted to a 1911 in recent years. I STILL don't trust myself to carry with a chambered round. But a revolver... How hard can it be to spin the wheel and be certain it is empty?
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #255 on: October 29, 2021, 07:19:41 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on October 29, 2021, 07:14:10 pm
ESPECIALLY since it's a wheel gun... I can see the uninitiated forgetting to clear the chamber on something clip fed... That is the major malfunction I have had, having converted to a 1911 in recent years. I STILL don't trust myself to carry with a chambered round. But a revolver... How hard can it be to spin the wheel and be certain it is empty?

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #256 on: October 29, 2021, 07:53:27 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on October 29, 2021, 07:14:10 pm
ESPECIALLY since it's a wheel gun... I can see the uninitiated forgetting to clear the chamber on something clip fed... That is the major malfunction I have had, having converted to a 1911 in recent years. I STILL don't trust myself to carry with a chambered round. But a revolver... How hard can it be to spin the wheel and be certain it is empty?
If only Baldwin was looking down the barrel to check whether it was loaded and the gun had a 'misfire'.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #257 on: October 29, 2021, 09:45:55 pm »
Quote from: GtHawk on October 29, 2021, 07:53:27 pm
If only Baldwin was looking down the barrel to check whether it was loaded and the gun had a 'misfire'.

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Actually that's about the second thing you learn not to do...  :beer:
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #258 on: October 31, 2021, 12:35:11 am »
After all I read on this after all this time, it seems clear that Baldwin was goofing around with the gun and threatening to 'kill' people believing the gun was blank. He was goofing around and shot at her to 'scare' her as a joke. And that is when she was killed. This has happened before.

I have seen this before in my life. Some idiot will remove the magazine without clearing the weapon. Then he shoots a friend or wife or stranger as a joke not realizing a round was chambered. That is actually more common than you may think.

The point is that blanks and "unloaded" weapons kill all the time, almost always because of fools or drunks trying to 'joke' with it and to 'scare' someone else.

Hey Bozo! Prepare to die! *BANG* and the person dies for real. Never point a weapon at anybody, unless you intend to harm that person. Basic, Basic, first rule of guns, any gun.
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« Reply #259 on: October 31, 2021, 08:48:45 am »
Devastated Alec reveals he took Halyna Hutchins to dinner before shooting her dead, demands new rules for guns on sets and snaps at Hilaria when she tries to talk in impromptu press conference

    *Alec Baldwin said Halyna Hutchins, 42, 'was his friend' when he stopped to talk to photographers
    *He said he would 'not to talk about the investigation,' but is 'eagerly awaiting for the sheriff's department' to release their findings
    *During the tense interaction with reporters, Alec grew annoyed with his wife, Hilaria, who interjected several times
    *At one point, Hilaria scolded a reporter who momentarily forgot Halyna Hutchins' name while asking question
    *'If you’re spending this much time waiting for us, you should know her name,’ Hilaria tells the reporter
    *Alec then described his meeting with Hutchins' widower, Matthew, saying he was left 'mortified' by tragedy
    *Before he could finish his sentence, Hilaria interjects. ‘You guys, you guys, you know what? No details.’
    *Alec once again appears agitated at his wife, telling her: ‘Do me a favor? I’m going to answer the question.’
    *Baldwin said there needs to be 'new measures' on film sets for 'when something does go wrong'
    *Baldwin said on Saturday he did not think production on the movie Rust would start back up

By Alyssa Guzman For Dailymail.Com and Ariel Zilber For Dailymail.com
Published: 16:02 EDT, 30 October 2021 | Updated: 03:42 EDT, 31 October 2021   ... Story at Daily Mail


He looks like a drunk. Hey, Alec, we don't need "new measures," we just need dimbulb actors like you to comply with established procedure.
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« Reply #262 on: October 31, 2021, 01:49:04 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 31, 2021, 01:47:39 pm
Meet the real Mrs. Baldwin .....


https://mobile.twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1454561215347310602

Would that make her:  Mrs. Hilaria-ous Baldwin?  As in "laughable"?
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« Reply #267 on: October 31, 2021, 02:44:27 pm »
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Actor Alec Baldwin spoke publicly for the first time Saturday about the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who was killed by a bullet fired from a prop gun fired by Baldwin on the set of the movie "Rust."

Tracked down by paparazzi on the side of a road in Vermont alongside his wife Hilaria, Baldwin said he couldn't comment on the investigation into the death, which occurred on Oct. 21 south of Santa Fe, New Mexico.

"I've been ordered by the sheriff's department in Santa Fe (not to comment on the case).... It's an active investigation in terms of a woman died, she was my friend," Baldwin said. "...We were a very, very well-oiled crew shooting a film together, and then this horrible event happened."

Baldwin, appearing annoyed at times when his wife interrupted to chastise reporters, confirmed that he had met with Hutchins' husband Matthew and the couple's 9-year-old son, adding that the husband was "overwhelmed with grief."

"There are incidental accidents on film sets from time to time, but nothing like this," he continued "This is a one in a trillion episode. It's a one in a trillion event.... We're eagerly awaiting for the sheriff's department to tell us what their investigation has yielded."

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/alec-baldwin-calls-on-set-shooting-death-one-in-a-trillion-episode/2739840/

"A very, very well-oiled crew".  I guess this explains the crew walking out and the complaints about safety on the set.
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« Reply #270 on: October 31, 2021, 02:48:34 pm »
Hillary (Hilaria) would do herself more good by filing for divorce and getting Baldwin's assets/money while they're still his.
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« Reply #271 on: October 31, 2021, 02:53:35 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 31, 2021, 02:48:34 pm
Hillary (Hilaria) would do herself more good by filing for divorce and getting Baldwin's assets/money while they're still his.

It's probably too late for that.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #273 on: October 31, 2021, 03:24:51 pm »
Quote from: 240B on October 31, 2021, 12:35:11 am
After all I read on this after all this time, it seems clear that Baldwin was goofing around with the gun and threatening to 'kill' people believing the gun was blank. He was goofing around and shot at her to 'scare' her as a joke. And that is when she was killed. This has happened before.

I have seen this before in my life. Some idiot will remove the magazine without clearing the weapon. Then he shoots a friend or wife or stranger as a joke not realizing a round was chambered. That is actually more common than you may think.

The point is that blanks and "unloaded" weapons kill all the time, almost always because of fools or drunks trying to 'joke' with it and to 'scare' someone else.

Hey Bozo! Prepare to die! *BANG* and the person dies for real. Never point a weapon at anybody, unless you intend to harm that person. Basic, Basic, first rule of guns, any gun.


I agree.  All domestic violent people use a gun, to try and intimidate their partner.  It is in the book for Battered Women.
It was done to me.  And it is not a joke nor fun.  Nor is jumping out from behind a bush to scare a woman.....not fun. 
How could it be? 
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« Reply #274 on: October 31, 2021, 04:05:31 pm »
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« Reply #275 on: October 31, 2021, 04:48:37 pm »
Here's a blast from the past.  Loving father Alec Baldwin leaves voicemail for his daughter.


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« Reply #276 on: October 31, 2021, 05:16:15 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on October 31, 2021, 04:05:31 pm
I'm sure he beats her, like Bassinger.

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A slap here and there......a choke hold, a gun brought out to scare her with it.   
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« Reply #277 on: October 31, 2021, 05:20:27 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on October 31, 2021, 04:48:37 pm
Here's a blast from the past.  Loving father Alec Baldwin leaves voicemail for his daughter.





Yeah, wonder..WHY, she does not want to talk to him!  Then threatens her!  What is he going to do to her?  BEAT HER?  He can't figure out HE IS THE AZZ?   
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« Reply #278 on: October 31, 2021, 05:22:07 pm »
I am sure they won't allow this in court.  We all know.  Then his yelling at police for illegally riding his 'vehicle' on the sidewalk.  The police were going to give him a ticket.  HOT HEAD!   
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« Reply #279 on: November 02, 2021, 12:51:33 am »
Quote from: DCPatriot on October 28, 2021, 08:00:27 pm
Everyone of them that handled the gun is culpable.  If bar owners and gun manufacturers are...   :shrug:

But my sixth sense screams a sinister act by a pissed-off union member who got sick and tired of the 'Jeffrey Epstein' tactics Baldwin was using to hand out jobs to somebody whose only qualification is what she's willing to do with her body.

That said, this 'murder' is on video as sure as the sun is rising somewhere right now.

The "live round" didn't get into that chamber by itself.
Something like that crossed my mind, too.

Even so, every firearm on the set should have been checked before handed to anyone, and they should have checked it when they got it.
Baldwin pointed the firearm at the Cinematographer and director, and through his actions (pulling the trigger) caused it to discharge in an unsafe direction. That simply cannot be ignored.

The armorer had nothing to do with that part.
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« Reply #281 on: November 02, 2021, 03:26:20 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 31, 2021, 02:44:27 pm
"A very, very well-oiled crew".  I guess this explains the crew walking out and the complaints about safety on the set.
"Well oiled" could also refer to consumption of large quantities of alcoholic beverages...
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #282 on: November 02, 2021, 04:25:56 pm »
'Rust' prop person shot herself in the foot in accidental discharge prior to Alec Baldwin shooting: report

https://news.yahoo.com/apos-rust-apos-prop-person-150258221.html

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The production of the Alec Baldwin movie "Rust" reportedly saw multiple accidental discharges take place on the set prior to the one that left cinematographer Halyna Hutchins dead.

All eyes have been on the set’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, who had only worked as the armorer on one film prior to leading things on "Rust." As she becomes one of the main focuses of the investigation into the death of Hutchins, a new report from the Los Angeles Times indicates that crew members were concerned about her work and that other accidental discharges had happened prior.

The outlet reports that a total of three incidents involving guns being fired accidentally happened prior to the incident involving Baldwin on Oct. 21. One involved Baldwin’s stunt double firing a blank round after he was told the gun he was holding was "cold," an industry term meaning that there were no projectiles in the firearm. This is similar to what assistant director Dave Halls told Baldwin on the day of the shooting, not realizing that a live round was in the gun he handed the actor before declaring it "cold."

HGR was incompetent. She didn't keep guns and ammo under lock and key until actually needed. Baldwin hired her and retained her even after the three accidents.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #283 on: November 02, 2021, 06:22:11 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on November 02, 2021, 04:25:56 pm
'Rust' prop person shot herself in the foot in accidental discharge prior to Alec Baldwin shooting: report

https://news.yahoo.com/apos-rust-apos-prop-person-150258221.html

HGR was incompetent. She didn't keep guns and ammo under lock and key until actually needed. Baldwin hired her and retained her even after the three accidents.

You just named the one who will be the scapegoat to get Baldwin out of trouble.  She will get long jail, Alec gets a new role in a new movie.

That's the way it will go, I am betting.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #284 on: November 02, 2021, 06:27:11 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 02, 2021, 06:22:11 pm
You just named the one who will be the scapegoat to get Baldwin out of trouble.  She will get long jail, Alec gets a new role in a new movie.

That's the way it will go, I am betting.

Dipshit Baldwin will figure somehow to make an anti 2A documentary out of it. He is that f'n despicable
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #285 on: November 03, 2021, 06:39:07 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on November 02, 2021, 06:27:11 pm
Dipshit Baldwin will figure somehow to make an anti 2A documentary out of it. He is that f'n despicable
And get paid to do it.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #286 on: November 03, 2021, 10:05:20 pm »
HALYNA'S HUSBAND HIRES ATTORNEYS ...
Wrongful Death Suit WILL Be Filed

11/3/2021 2:37 PM PT

The husband of "Rust" cinematographer Halyna Hutchins has lawyered up, and is preparing to file a wrongful death lawsuit ... TMZ has learned.

Matthew Hutchins retained the services of Panish | Shea | Boyle | Ravipudi ... according to the L.A.-based law firm. The firm's website says its attorneys specialize in personal injury and wrongful death litigation ... so clearly, Halyna's tragic death is in their wheelhouse.

Sources familiar with the situation tell us the lawsuit will be filed on behalf of Halyna's spouse and their child, and there will be multiple defendants.

The Santa Fe County District Attorney and Sheriff's Department continue to investigate Halyna's death, and while no criminal charges have been announced ... they say all options are still on the table.  .  .

https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/03/halyna-hutchins-husband-attorney-hired-rust-movie-shooting-alec-baldwin/


When it comes to lawsuits, people with little or no money rarely get sued. So I would expect that Baldwin will be the target of this suit, not Reed.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #287 on: November 04, 2021, 11:18:49 am »
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HALYNA'S HUSBAND HIRES ATTORNEYS ...
Wrongful Death Suit WILL Be Filed

11/3/2021 2:37 PM PT

The husband of "Rust" cinematographer Halyna Hutchins has lawyered up, and is preparing to file a wrongful death lawsuit ... TMZ has learned.

Matthew Hutchins retained the services of Panish | Shea | Boyle | Ravipudi ... according to the L.A.-based law firm. The firm's website says its attorneys specialize in personal injury and wrongful death litigation ... so clearly, Halyna's tragic death is in their wheelhouse.

Sources familiar with the situation tell us the lawsuit will be filed on behalf of Halyna's spouse and their child, and there will be multiple defendants.

The Santa Fe County District Attorney and Sheriff's Department continue to investigate Halyna's death, and while no criminal charges have been announced ... they say all options are still on the table.  .  .

https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/03/halyna-hutchins-husband-attorney-hired-rust-movie-shooting-alec-baldwin/


When it comes to lawsuits, people with little or no money rarely get sued. So I would expect that Baldwin will be the target of this suit, not Reed.

Hannah Reed doesn't have a pot to piss in, nor a window to throw it out of (I've seen her hovel the landlady is trying to evict her from).  But I think she will figure prominently on the list.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #288 on: November 04, 2021, 11:39:39 am »
As we reported, attorneys for the head armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, are now theorizing that a disgruntled cast member intentionally put one or more live rounds of ammo in a box of dummy rounds.

Aren't most dummy rounds marked as such and are actually a different color than a live round.


Or they are crimped to demonstrate no projectile.



If she loaded the weapon, she should have noticed a live round immediately. Just to muddy the water even more, if she did load the weapon with all blanks, then someone switched the first round to live after it left her possession. So were all the remaining rounds live or blank? If they were all live rounds, then she likely screwed up. If only the discharged round was live, then that 'sounds' like intentional sabotage.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #289 on: November 04, 2021, 11:48:18 am »
Quote from: 240B on November 04, 2021, 11:39:39 am
As we reported, attorneys for the head armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, are now theorizing that a disgruntled cast member intentionally put one or more live rounds of ammo in a box of dummy rounds.

Aren't most dummy rounds marked as such and are actually a different color than a live round.


Or they are crimped to demonstrate no projectile.



If she loaded the weapon, she should have noticed a live round immediately. Just to muddy the water even more, if she did load the weapon with all blanks, then someone switched the first round to live after it left her possession. So were all the remaining rounds live or blank? If they were all live rounds, then she likely screwed up. If only the discharged round was live, then that 'sounds' like intentional sabotage.

On a revolver the bullets can be seen in the cylinder if the camera is looking right down the barrel. So sometimes fake bullets that look like bullets on the projectile end are used so it looks like the gun is loaded when viewed from the end of the cylinder. Brightly colored tips wouldn't work under those circumstances.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #290 on: November 04, 2021, 12:44:00 pm »
Still, the question remains. Were all the bullets live? Or was just the one fired live?

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #291 on: November 07, 2021, 12:23:21 am »
Actor or not, anyone operating a firearm should be required to check said weapon on a movie set.  Discharging the weapon as Baldwin did makes him personally responsible for killing that woman.  At best, it is involuntary manslaughter, and yes, I believe he should spend time in prison for his deadly negligence. 

I NEVER like him in anything he was ever in.  And the fact he is the perfect *sshole had nothing to do with my dislike of the b*st*rd!!!  He goes to prison if I am on the jury. 
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #292 on: November 07, 2021, 12:45:42 am »
Quote from: 240B on November 04, 2021, 12:44:00 pm
Still, the question remains. Were all the bullets live? Or was just the one fired live?

Once upon a time, we had investigative reporters who would search for facts such as this and report them to the world.  That time has past.  Information is now closely controlled by propaganda commissars, and dished out to journalists for dissemination to the masses.

Your question is such a simple one that anyone with contact to this case should be able to answer.  Yet we are given nothing.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #293 on: November 10, 2021, 09:11:05 am »
Gun Baldwin Used When He Accidentally Killed Worker Was Supplied by Mysterious 'Armorer Mentor': Report
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There’s a new wrinkle in the Alec Baldwin movie set shooting.

While investigators have focused on novice armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, Baldwin and events on the set before the deadly accident, the Los Angeles Times reported Monday that an “armorer mentor” to Gutierrez Reed had provided weapons for the ill-fated movie “Rust.”

It cited as its source “six people familiar with the matter who asked not to be identified.”

The Times identified the “armorer mentor” as 51-year-old Seth Kenney, who has a props and guns rental company in Lake Havasu City, Arizona. It said his name appeared with that title on an internal crew list it had obtained.  ...

It reported that Kenney had recommended Gutierrez Reed to be the armorer for “Rust” and that he was designated “armorer mentor” for her.

Such a position for a production is very rare, the Times said. Normal designations are “key armorer” or “weapons master” for someone in the role Kenney was reported to have, while Gutierrez Reed would be “armorer assistant.” ...
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #294 on: November 10, 2021, 11:51:23 am »
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #296 on: November 12, 2021, 02:21:10 am »
After what happened to the great Brandon Lee, one would have expected this wouldn't have happened. Loathe Alec Baldwin politics, but I don't believe he loaded the gun. The man is so anti-gun he wouldn't know what a real bullet is. He is the sort of person who would say ban the gun from Star Wars if you stopped him on the street and showed him different types of rifles on a chart.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #297 on: November 12, 2021, 02:22:17 am »
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Something like that crossed my mind, too.

Even so, every firearm on the set should have been checked before handed to anyone, and they should have checked it when they got it.
Baldwin pointed the firearm at the Cinematographer and director, and through his actions (pulling the trigger) caused it to discharge in an unsafe direction. That simply cannot be ignored.

The armorer had nothing to do with that part.

The DP shoots the scene. Alec had to point the gun in their direction.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #298 on: November 12, 2021, 02:17:02 pm »
Good luck proving actual damages, but ...
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... “Svetnoy’s general-negligence complaint, filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, names the producers, armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, first assistant director Dave Halls, property master Sarah Zachry and weapons provider Seth Kenney as defendants. The suit was filed in Los Angeles because Svetnoy and at least one of the producers live in L.A.,” the Los Angeles Times reported.

“The bullet fired by Baldwin from a .45 Colt revolver ‘narrowly missed him,’ according to Svetnoy’s suit. He was ‘no more than six to seven feet’ from Baldwin when the gun went off ‘suddenly and completely unexpectedly,’ the suit said, adding that Svetnoy ‘felt a strange and terrifying whoosh of what felt like pressurized air.’ He was struck by “discharge materials from the blast,’ the complaint said,” the report added.  ...

And, there’s this … according to the lawsuit, the scene Baldwin was rehearsing did not call for him to pull the trigger. According to the lawsuit, the scene called for Baldwin to draw the gun and point it in the general direction of the camera, but, “the scene did not call for Defendant Baldwin to shoot the Colt Revolver.”   ...
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #299 on: November 12, 2021, 05:42:23 pm »
Quote from: MikePence on November 12, 2021, 02:21:10 am
After what happened to the great Brandon Lee, one would have expected this wouldn't have happened. Loathe Alec Baldwin politics, but I don't believe he loaded the gun. The man is so anti-gun he wouldn't know what a real bullet is. He is the sort of person who would say ban the gun from Star Wars if you stopped him on the street and showed him different types of rifles on a chart.
Baldwin has been on big budget movies with guns, he not only knows the protocol that the actor is him/herself to verify the gun is unloaded and dry fire it but it is the producers responsibility for insuring the safety of weapons. So let's see how this shakes out for Baldwin
1. His movie done so on the cheap that he hired a rookie armorer not ready to be the sole armorer on a set and had her doing a second job on set too.
2. Not enough safety officers on set.
3. No live ammunition should ever have been allowed on the set.
4. The use of a real firearm which crew used for live target practice...also a failure of producer responsibility.
5. Industry standards were not followed concerning the proper control of the weapon by the armorer as well as the verification of the weapon being unloaded and safe by the armorer in front of the person who would use it and watching that person while they personally verified the weapon to be safe and unloaded and ending with dry firing it at the ground, with a revolver that would be seven times.
Had Baldwin, the producer done his job and insured all safety protocol were followed no one would have been killed and no one would have been wounded.

I would say Baldwin is a prime target for some very expensive lawsuits due to his negligence as producer and handling the firearm.

I don't like Baldwin but was prepared to cut him some slack until I saw too many veteran actors and armorers detail how negligent the whole operation was from Baldwin the producer, the armorer, safety officer and crew were when it came to the handling and use of the real operational firearm.
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