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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #350 on: December 03, 2021, 10:29:18 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on December 03, 2021, 12:30:05 pm
Since he believed the gun was not loaded - a claim that seems reasonable - there was not sufficient intent to shoot.

That is the whole point of the gun safety rules - they exist to prevent bad things happening unintentionally, not to stop intentional actions.
It was his responsibility as both producer and actor to visually and physically inspect the weapon when it was given to him and to dry fire it into the ground also to prove it unloaded, this same procedure should have been followed by the armorer and the person she handed it to to give Baldwin. These are the industry standards that other actor/producers like Schneider have hammered Baldwin for just days after it happened. Baldwin has been on enough big budget films(unlike his on the cheap production) where he uses guns in his role to know what the standards and rules are for handling weapons on a set. The bottom line is Baldwin is an arrogant ass that believes he is above the rule and it cost a woman her life.

This should cost Baldwin not just a very large sum of cash but also jail time. But being a high profile liberal POS he will skate on the jail time.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #351 on: December 03, 2021, 10:33:11 pm »
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It was his responsibility as both producer and actor to visually and physically inspect the weapon when it was given to him and to dry fire it into the ground also to prove it unloaded, this same procedure should have been followed by the armorer and the person she handed it to to give Baldwin. These are the industry standards that other actor/producers like Schneider have hammered Baldwin for just days after it happened. Baldwin has been on enough big budget films(unlike his on the cheap production) where he uses guns in his role to know what the standards and rules are for handling weapons on a set. The bottom line is Baldwin is an arrogant ass that believes he is above the rule and it cost a woman her life.

This should cost Baldwin not just a very large sum of cash but also jail time. But being a high profile liberal POS he will skate on the jail time.


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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #352 on: December 03, 2021, 10:47:34 pm »
Not only does Baldwin own the production company, and he is the producer of the show, but Baldwin is also the perp. He has full responsibility for 'everything'.

Whether criminal charges (manslaughter/gross negligence) are filed or not, he is going to bankrupt from the avalanche of lawsuits about to fall on his head. Not only from the victims, but the other staff can claim emotional distress (PTSD). All of that without mentioning all of the creditors and financiers who are going to join the party.

Alec Baldwin is done. He is over. He will be lucky to come out of this mess with the shirt on his back.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #353 on: December 03, 2021, 11:53:01 pm »
Quote from: 240B on December 03, 2021, 10:47:34 pm
Not only does Baldwin own the production company, and he is the producer of the show, but Baldwin is also the perp. He has full responsibility for 'everything'.

Whether criminal charges (manslaughter/gross negligence) are filed or not, he is going to bankrupt from the avalanche of lawsuits about to fall on his head. Not only from the victims, but the other staff can claim emotional distress (PTSD). All of that without mentioning all of the creditors and financiers who are going to join the party.

Alec Baldwin is done. He is over. He will be lucky to come out of this mess with the shirt on his back.

I hope so.  He has been so nasty a long time.   
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #354 on: December 04, 2021, 07:59:11 am »
Quote from: 240B on December 03, 2021, 10:47:34 pm
Not only does Baldwin own the production company, and he is the producer of the show, but Baldwin is also the perp. He has full responsibility for 'everything'.

Whether criminal charges (manslaughter/gross negligence) are filed or not, he is going to bankrupt from the avalanche of lawsuits about to fall on his head. Not only from the victims, but the other staff can claim emotional distress (PTSD). All of that without mentioning all of the creditors and financiers who are going to join the party.

Alec Baldwin is done. He is over. He will be lucky to come out of this mess with the shirt on his back.

On both, he’ll probably strike a deal with prosecutors and probably reach a settlement with the victim’s families

Baldwin is a huge backer of taking people’s guns away. And, like every other activist when it comes to firearms, he’s very ignorant when it comes to guns

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #355 on: December 04, 2021, 09:21:42 pm »
Alec Baldwin Interview Reinforces Hutchins’ Death As Involuntary Manslaughter

Legal Insurrection by  Andrew Branca Saturday, December 4, 2021

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/12/alec-baldwin-interview-only-reinforces-hutchins-death-as-involuntary-manslaughter/

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Interview hurt rather than helped Baldwin’s case on legal merits, but likely a political rather than legal ploy

Alec Baldwin recently gave a lengthy interview to George Stephanopoulos on the matter of Alec Baldwin’s fatal October 21 shooting of Halyna Hutchins, who was working as the cinematographer on the low-budget Western film “Rust,” on which Alec Baldwin was both the leading star and a producer. That interview aired the night of Thursday, December 2.

I’d written extensively on the legal implications around Alec Baldwin’s shooting of Halyna, particularly “Legal Analysis: Does Alec Baldwin Have Criminal Exposure After Shooting Woman Dead In Apparent Mistake?” the day after the shooting, and “Legal Analysis: Alec Baldwin Situation Beginning to Look a Lot Like Manslaughter” three days later.  My conclusion, as the latter title suggests, is that Alec Baldwin’s conduct appears to have met all the conditions for felony involuntary manslaughter under New Mexico law.

For the last two days I’ve been receiving endless inquiries about whether Alec Baldwin’s interview in any way changes that legal conclusion.  Having just had an opportunity to watch the interview a few minutes ago, this post is my response:

No, the interview did nothing to change my legal opinion.  Indeed, not only am I more convinced today than when I wrote my previous analysis that Alec Baldwin’s conduct qualifies as felony involuntary manslaughter under New Mexico law, his interview “testimony” only strengthened that view.

In other words, Alec Baldwin violated the first rule of finding that you’ve dug yourself into a hole—stop digging.

The Relevant Facts

It’s common in human events of a chaotic nature for there to be a great number of facts and claims swirling around that may be fascinating and interesting to contemplate, and that make great fodder for water-cooler and internet conversation and commentary, but that are also largely irrelevant to legal analysis.

More at link.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #356 on: December 05, 2021, 10:05:54 am »
Santa Fe DA Warns ‘Criminally Culpable’ Charge Still Possible in ‘Rust’ Shooting After Alec Baldwin ABC Interview

PAUL BOIS   |   4 Dec 2021

On Friday, First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies clarified that it is still very possible for Alec Baldwin to be “criminally culpable” in Hutchins’ death depending on what the investigation yields.

“Certain individuals may be criminally culpable for his/her actions and/or inactions on the set of Rust,” Carmack-Altwies told Deadline.

Carmack-Altwies asserted that she will “exercise my prosecutorial discretion to its fullest, including filing charges that are supported by probable cause.”

The district attorney further clarified that “everyone” handling firearms on the set of Rust had a duty to follow safety protocols.

“Everyone involved in the handling and use of firearms on the set had a duty to behave in a manner such that the safety of others was protected, and it appears that certain actions and inactions contributed to this outcome,” Carmack-Altwies the attorney said.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/12/04/santa-fe-da-warns-criminally-culpable-charge-still-possible-in-rust-shooting-after-alec-baldwin-abc-interview/
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #357 on: December 05, 2021, 10:08:59 am »
I don't know who is giving numbnuts Baldwin legal advise, but his little PR stunt just might be admissable as evidence, especially if he spouts some inconsistencies on the stand.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #358 on: December 05, 2021, 10:13:15 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on December 05, 2021, 10:08:59 am
I don't know who is giving numbnuts Baldwin legal advise, but his little PR stunt just might be admissable as evidence, especially if he spouts some inconsistencies on the stand.

People like Baldwin just can't help themselves.  Narcissistic, egotistical, empty vessels.

It will be interesting how this plays out.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #359 on: December 05, 2021, 10:14:56 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on December 05, 2021, 10:08:59 am
I don't know who is giving numbnuts Baldwin legal advise, but his little PR stunt just might be admissable as evidence, especially if he spouts some inconsistencies on the stand.

It'll be admissible to the extent that it contradicts anything his defense presents at trial, but won't be admissible to confirm his claims.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #360 on: December 05, 2021, 10:15:12 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on December 05, 2021, 10:08:59 am
I don't know who is giving numbnuts Baldwin legal advise, but his little PR stunt just might be admissable as evidence, especially if he spouts some inconsistencies on the stand.

It is absolutely positively admissible as evidence.  His ego does not know the meaning of 'right to remain silent'.  I can see him overruling his own attorneys and taking the stand in his defense because he is such a great actor.

Does anyone remember the movie 'Malice' with him and Nicole Kidman?  In that movie, Baldwin played a doctor who took the stand to testify in his own malpractice trial.  I think we are going to see a replay of that.  It takes one heck of a big ego to blame the victim in this case.


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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #361 on: December 05, 2021, 10:43:28 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on December 05, 2021, 10:14:56 am
It'll be admissible to the extent that it contradicts anything his defense presents at trial, but won't be admissible to confirm his claims.

True.  I've seen lawyers on videos advise never talking to the police because not only can you inadvertently incriminate yourself, anything you say to exonerate yourself won't be admitted in court.  It's a one-way street.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #362 on: December 05, 2021, 01:55:21 pm »
Quote from: Lando Lincoln on December 05, 2021, 10:13:15 am
People like Baldwin just can't help themselves.  Narcissistic, egotistical, empty vessels.

It will be interesting how this plays out.

He'll get a walk... and the armorer will take the ride. Watch and see....
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #363 on: December 05, 2021, 03:30:45 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on December 05, 2021, 01:55:21 pm
He'll get a walk... and the armorer will take the ride. Watch and see....

I'm positive this is true.  Ms. Hannah Reed is it.  (Side note:  She lives in my little town.)
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #364 on: December 05, 2021, 03:54:22 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 05, 2021, 03:30:45 pm
I'm positive this is true.  Ms. Hannah Reed is it.  (Side note:  She lives in my little town.)

I don't think so. Baldwin didn't get the gun directly from her. You have to follow the "Chain of Custody". The bullet could have been added After it left her possession.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #365 on: December 05, 2021, 04:16:49 pm »
Quote from: Elderberry on December 05, 2021, 03:54:22 pm
I don't think so. Baldwin didn't get the gun directly from her. You have to follow the "Chain of Custody". The bullet could have been added After it left her possession.

The scapegoat has to be high in the management hierarchy of the studio.  The stage hand won't do.  Remember, big heads have to roll to protect Baldwin.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #366 on: December 06, 2021, 01:20:03 am »
Alec Baldwin deletes Twitter account following tell-all interview about fatal 'Rust' shooting

Tyler McCarthy  •  Dec. 5, 2021

Alec Baldwin has deleted one of his two Twitter accounts following his tell-all interview with George Stephanopoulos about the shooting incident that took place on the set of the movie "Rust."

The actor had two verified Twitter accounts, one of which he was much more active on and was the one he used to previously issue statements about the fatal shooting incident that took place on the set of the indie-western movie in October. However, following his interview last week, it seems the star has completely deleted the account labeled @AlecBaldwin. However, his account @AlecBaldwln____ remains live with the latest tweet being from October 19. Prior to that, it was only active in June.

It’s unclear why the actor chose this time to delete the account. Representatives for Baldwin did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-deletes-twitter-interview-fatal-rust-shooting
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #367 on: December 06, 2021, 04:33:04 am »
Quote from: Lando Lincoln on December 02, 2021, 09:48:40 pm
Most sources report the gun was a Colt Single-Action Army. If so, what Baldwin is saying about not pulling the trigger is plausible. The Colt SAA does not have a modern transfer bar or hammer block safety system that prevents the hammer from impacting a live round without the trigger being pulled. If you pull the hammer back on the SAA without being fully cocked, and then releasing it, the hammer can strike with sufficient force to fire a round in the live cylinder. This is why most shooters of the SAA keep an empty cylinder under the hammer.

That said, he is still responsible for the safety of that gun.

Good point, @Lando Lincoln It wasn't until the late 70s that I got a revolver with the transfer bar. A lot of older guns just didn't have that (which was why you could 'fan' them).
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #368 on: December 06, 2021, 09:10:44 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 06, 2021, 04:33:04 am
Good point, @Lando Lincoln It wasn't until the late 70s that I got a revolver with the transfer bar. A lot of older guns just didn't have that (which was why you could 'fan' them).
I can fan mine...but I'd never try it.  With my luck I'd shoot myself...lol.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #369 on: December 06, 2021, 09:13:56 am »
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #370 on: December 06, 2021, 09:28:22 am »
Analysis: Alec Baldwin’s Gun Could Have Fired Without Him Pulling the Trigger, But Did It?

https://thereload.com/analysis-yes-alec-baldwins-gun-could-have-fired-without-him-pulling-the-trigger/

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Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza identified the gun used in the shooting as a modern Pietta replica of a single-action army revolver. Those guns can be bought either with a transfer bar that makes it impossible for the firing pin to strike the primer unless the trigger is pulled or without one. Often, enthusiasts and collectors prefer the models without modern safety devices because it’s more authentic and perfectly safe when handled properly.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #371 on: December 06, 2021, 06:07:02 pm »
Alec Baldwin TV Sit-Down On ‘Rust’ Shooting Prompts D.A. To Warn “Criminally Culpable” Option Still Possible

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Alec Baldwin may believe it is “highly unlikely” he’ll face criminal charges out of the fatal shooting of Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, but the Santa Fe District Attorney hasn’t ruled out the option.

In a pretty direct response to the actor/producer’s numerous and highly emotional assertions last night on ABC to George Stephanopoulos, First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies said Friday that “certain individuals may be criminally culpable for his/her actions and/or inactions on the set of Rust.”

Noting that she plans to “exercise my prosecutorial discretion to its fullest, including filing charges that are supported by probable cause,” Carmack-Altwies also said today that her office is “exploring various legal theories at the time.”

As the D.A. has made clear repeatedly since the horror of the October 21 killing of the DoP and the injuring of director Joel Souza on the Bonanza Creek Ranch set of the low budget Western, everything revolves around the completion of the Santa Fe Sheriff’s Office’s ongoing probe of the tragedy.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #372 on: December 06, 2021, 06:24:46 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on December 06, 2021, 09:13:56 am
Malice  -  God Complex (Alec Baldwin)




I don't think Baldwin was really acting in that scene.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #373 on: December 06, 2021, 10:15:26 pm »
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #374 on: December 06, 2021, 10:25:39 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on December 06, 2021, 06:24:46 pm
I don't think Baldwin was really acting in that scene.


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