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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #150 on: October 23, 2021, 07:44:09 pm »
People die from 'Blanks'.
It is the same as a 'flash bang' grenade.
You think these things are tame.
Put a 'blank' gun on someone's head and pull the trigger. That guy is dead.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #151 on: October 23, 2021, 07:50:00 pm »
People die from 'Blanks'.
It is the same as a 'flash bang' grenade.
You think these things are tame.
Put a 'blank' gun on someone's head and pull the trigger. That guy is dead.

This was no "blank."  The bullet did a through-and-through with her, and then hit the Director.  It takes lead and brass to do that.

There should not have been a live round inside of a mile of that set.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #152 on: October 23, 2021, 08:01:37 pm »
This was no "blank."  The bullet did a through-and-through with her, and then hit the Director.  It takes lead and brass to do that.

There should not have been a live round inside of a mile of that set.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #153 on: October 23, 2021, 08:08:47 pm »
This was no "blank."  The bullet did a through-and-through with her, and then hit the Director.  It takes lead and brass to do that.

There should not have been a live round inside of a mile of that set.

It seems more and more evident it was a live round. If the gun was true to the period of the movie setting, it was big bore.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #154 on: October 23, 2021, 08:13:55 pm »
It seems more and more evident it was a live round. If the gun was true to the period of the movie setting, it was big bore.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #155 on: October 23, 2021, 08:14:06 pm »
It seems more and more evident it was a live round. If the gun was true to the period of the movie setting, it was big bore.

With the "rumored" Clinton connection, I find it likely that this was no accident.

Will Baldwin even be held accountable?  Doubtful...either someone else will take the fall or the issue will just fall be the wayside.

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« Reply #156 on: October 23, 2021, 08:20:41 pm »
With the "rumored" Clinton connection, I find it likely that this was no accident.

Will Baldwin even be held accountable?  Doubtful...either someone else will take the fall or the issue will just fall be the wayside.

Frankly, I don’t believe the Clinton connection. It is just something that emerges from the ether. Unless there is a verified tweet of substance, it is a fabrication.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #157 on: October 23, 2021, 08:21:08 pm »
It seems highly likely he was clowning around with the gun, aimed at the cinemaphotographer and pulled the trigger.

It clearly wasn't a "prop" gun. It was a real gun.

What he did was careless in the extreme.

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« Reply #158 on: October 23, 2021, 08:30:27 pm »
Frankly, I don’t believe the Clinton connection. It is just something that emerges from the ether. Unless there is a verified tweet of substance, it is a fabrication.

That's right where I am on this right now @Lando Lincoln.  I totally agree with @DB:

It seems highly likely he was clowning around with the gun, aimed at the cinemaphotographer and pulled the trigger.

It clearly wasn't a "prop" gun. It was a real gun.

What he did was careless in the extreme.

Not a "prop gun," that's a lie to downplay what happened.  I'm guessing it is a .45 Peacemaker (being the most famous period piece) with large caliber boolats.  That's a big "Pew!"

Easily enough grains to do a through-and-through on the lady, with inertia to spare that hit the Director.

This entire affair has my head spinning with the recklessness and stupidity.  Look for the Alcohol Defense soon.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #159 on: October 23, 2021, 08:32:40 pm »
With the "rumored" Clinton connection, I find it likely that this was no accident.

Will Baldwin even be held accountable?  Doubtful...either someone else will take the fall or the issue will just fall be the wayside.

Maybe not criminally but I bet he will be sued since this movie and production was all on him...especially if he cut corners and hired non-professionals.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #160 on: October 23, 2021, 08:52:57 pm »
Maybe not criminally but I bet he will be sued since this movie and production was all on him...especially if he cut corners and hired non-professionals.

Agree. You and I could live on Baldwin’s attorney fees alone.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #161 on: October 23, 2021, 08:55:30 pm »
Agree. You and I could live on Baldwin’s attorney fees alone.

I am sure he keeps an attorney on retainer at all times..especially with his temper!
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #162 on: October 23, 2021, 11:07:25 pm »
It seems highly likely he was clowning around with the gun, aimed at the cinemaphotographer and pulled the trigger.

It clearly wasn't a "prop" gun. It was a real gun.

What he did was careless in the extreme.
I think you are correct.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #163 on: October 24, 2021, 12:08:59 am »
With the "rumored" Clinton connection, I find it likely that this was no accident.

Will Baldwin even be held accountable?  Doubtful...either someone else will take the fall or the issue will just fall be the wayside.

It is said she was a witness in a CLINTON matter. 



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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #164 on: October 24, 2021, 12:11:27 am »
'This is OFFICER TATUMS..evaluation on what happened. 
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« Reply #165 on: October 24, 2021, 01:14:42 am »
Agree. You and I could live on Baldwin’s attorney fees alone.

Reports are coming out that not only was there live ammo on the set (a no-no), the guns weren't under lock and key and the gun in question was taken off site for target practice ---

More here:  https://www.tmz.com/2021/10/23/alec-baldwin-rust-gun-accident-used-off-set-target-practice/

Add in the actor-producer didn't check the chamber as required and aimed at a human being (another no-no) and pulled the trigger, I'd be stunned if Baldwin's production insurance paid one cent.

From the armorer's deleted facebook page:: the armorer and the actor-producer:





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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #166 on: October 24, 2021, 07:44:37 am »
Possible criminal charges for Alec Baldwin…

Citizen Free Press October 24, 2021

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/possible-criminal-charges-for-alec-baldwin/

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Legal experts discuss possible criminal charges against Alec Baldwin

New Mexico criminal attorney Erlinda Johnson, a former state and federal prosecutor, said the actor could face possible criminal liability for involuntary manslaughter.

“All the state needs to demonstrate is that he was engaged in a lawful, but dangerous act and did not act with due caution,” she said. “That’s what the state has to prove for involuntary manslaughter, which is a fourth-degree felony with a maximum penalty of up to 18 months in prison.”

She speculated that Baldwin may rely on the defense that someone handed him the gun, “but then, well it was incumbent upon him, since he was handling the gun, to make sure there were no rounds.”

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #167 on: October 24, 2021, 08:28:00 am »
The tidbit about a good lefty like Alec not using union workers is like the cherry on top.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #168 on: October 24, 2021, 10:20:06 am »
Here is my thinking on this...right or wrong.  How many of us have played cowboys and indians as kids, using cap guns?  We did it all of the time and yes we pointed the "play guns" at one another.  We KNEW they were not real guns and we were playing.  I look at this movie production as basically adults playing cowboys and indians, with FAKE guns.  With digital technology there is absolutely no reason to have anything but a FAKE play gun on the set of a production.  They can digitally add in the sound....the muzzle blast, you name it.  The FAKE guns could have been 3-D printed.  For the life of me I can't understand how a REAL gun got on the set, not to mention REAL ammo.  This is past insane....

Alec Baldwin likely thought he had a "play gun" in his hand and was playing with the "play gun".  Heck...we all shoot each other with paintball guns and no one thinks twice that it might kill someone as we point the gun at the person.

As much as I dislike Alec Baldwin and it's quite a lot....there is no way I could convict him of murder.  This was a tragic event.  I can't imagine what he's going through and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. 

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« Reply #169 on: October 24, 2021, 10:40:20 am »
Here is my thinking on this...right or wrong.  How many of us have played cowboys and indians as kids, using cap guns?  We did it all of the time and yes we pointed the "play guns" at one another.  We KNEW they were not real guns and we were playing.  I look at this movie production as basically adults playing cowboys and indians, with FAKE guns.  With digital technology there is absolutely no reason to have anything but a FAKE play gun on the set of a production.  They can digitally add in the sound....the muzzle blast, you name it.  The FAKE guns could have been 3-D printed.  For the life of me I can't understand how a REAL gun got on the set, not to mention REAL ammo.  This is past insane....

Alec Baldwin likely thought he had a "play gun" in his hand and was playing with the "play gun".  Heck...we all shoot each other with paintball guns and no one thinks twice that it might kill someone as we point the gun at the person.

As much as I dislike Alec Baldwin and it's quite a lot....there is no way I could convict him of murder.  This was a tragic event.  I can't imagine what he's going through and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. 

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« Reply #170 on: October 24, 2021, 10:46:52 am »
I cannot see murder as murder requires premeditation.

I do believe he should be charged with Involuntary Manslaughter.

https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/homicide/involuntary-manslaughter/

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Involuntary manslaughter is defined as an unintentional killing that results either from criminal negligence or the commission of a low-level criminal act such as a misdemeanor. Involuntary manslaughter is distinguished from other forms of homicide because it does not require deliberation or premeditation, or intent. Because neither of these mental states is required, involuntary manslaughter is the lowest level category of homicide.

Criminal Negligence

 The first type of involuntary manslaughter occurs when a defendant negligently commits an act that results in the death of another. The level of negligence required for involuntary manslaughter is higher than normal civil negligence and requires that the defendant have acted in a very unreasonable manner. The exact language used to describe this negligence standard varies by state, but many refer to it as “criminal negligence” or “gross negligence.” State laws also vary as to whether the defendant must have been aware that his conduct was grossly negligent. In some states, the defendant must have known that his conduct was a threat to others, while other states consider whether the actions were objectively negligent, without regard for the defendant’s own perceptions.

It is important to understand that criminal negligence does not require that the defendant have committed an unlawful act. Rather, it criminalizes both lawful and unlawful acts that are committed negligently. For instance, although driving a vehicle is legal, driving that vehicle in a reckless manner may constitute criminal negligence and, if death results, lead to a charge of involuntary manslaughter.

Criminal negligence can also result from a failure to perform an act that the defendant has a duty to perform. Where a parent has a duty to take care of and protect a child, but the child dies when she is left in the car on a hot day, the parent may be culpable for involuntary manslaughter. Another example would be a tour operator who fails to advise his passengers of the proper safety protocols, resulting in the death of a passenger. This tour operator has failed to perform his duty, resulting in criminal negligence.

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« Reply #171 on: October 24, 2021, 11:41:08 am »
Negligence does not require intention to kill. If you are going to play with potentially deadly weapons you have an obligation to handle them with care to reasonably guarantee you do not harm others.

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« Reply #172 on: October 24, 2021, 12:10:03 pm »

Alec Baldwin likely thought he had a "play gun" in his hand and was playing with the "play gun".  Heck...we all shoot each other with paintball guns and no one thinks twice that it might kill someone as we point the gun at the person.

It matters not what Baldwin thought.  What matters is what he is must do. 

As the producer, it is his legal obligation to make sure all protocols for guns on the set are followed:  a capable armorer, the security of each weapon, no live ammunition.  As the actor handling the gun it is his responsibility to physically check the gun for bullets of any kind and not to point the gun, under any circumstance, at a human being he did not intend to kill.

A woman, wife, mother is dead due to the producer-actor's  negligence, not because he played with toy guns when he was eight years old.



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« Reply #173 on: October 24, 2021, 12:17:28 pm »
All of the safety protocols that have been developed are there precisely to prevent exactly this sort of an "accident", and Baldwin consciously failed to follow them.  I don't think he intended to kill the poor woman, but he was grossly negligent, both as producer and as actor, and as the person holding a firearm, and he should be forced to accept the consequences of that gross negligence.

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« Reply #174 on: October 24, 2021, 01:02:08 pm »
All of the safety protocols that have been developed are there precisely to prevent exactly this sort of an "accident", and Baldwin consciously failed to follow them.  I don't think he intended to kill the poor woman, but he was grossly negligent, both as producer and as actor, and as the person holding a firearm, and he should be forced to accept the consequences of that gross negligence.

And add to that that he was goofing off with a real gun - not a fake prop. He didn't aim and fire at another actor as part of a script when this happened. He aimed at the lady behind the camera and pulled the trigger thinking it was funny. That is extreme negligence.

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« Reply #175 on: October 24, 2021, 01:08:07 pm »
There are now reports about the set guns being used for target practice off site. If true, that qualifies as gross negligence and a blatant disregard for protocols and safety. Stunningly wrong… if true.
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« Reply #176 on: October 24, 2021, 01:09:12 pm »
That's right where I am on this right now @Lando Lincoln.  I totally agree with @DB:

Not a "prop gun," that's a lie to downplay what happened.  I'm guessing it is a .45 Peacemaker (being the most famous period piece) with large caliber boolats.  That's a big "Pew!"

Easily enough grains to do a through-and-through on the lady, with inertia to spare that hit the Director.

This entire affair has my head spinning with the recklessness and stupidity.  Look for the Alcohol Defense soon.


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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #177 on: October 24, 2021, 01:18:23 pm »
It Wasn’t a ‘Prop Gun’: Alec Baldwin Shot a Firearm That Was Being Used for Target Practice Off Set

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The fallout of the Alec Baldwin shooting tragedy has led to further questions about how a “prop gun” could have fired a live round that killed the film’s cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. Furthermore, another question that has gone under the radar is how the Baldwin shooting also led to the wounding of director Joel Souza.

It wasn’t a “prop gun.” It was an actual gun that was being used as a prop. TMZ reported on the development that sources close to the filming of “Rust” indicate that the gun used in the incident was also used off-set for “target practice.”

“The smoking gun that claimed the life of Halyna Hutchins might’ve been more than just an on-set prop — it was also being fired recreationally, even when cameras weren’t rolling,” TMZ reported.

“Multiple sources directly connected to the ‘Rust’ production tell TMZ … the same gun Alec Baldwin accidentally fired — hitting the DP and director — was being used by crews members off set as well, for what we’re told amounted to target practice,” the report added.

According to the BBC, a “prop gun” could mean a range of items, “from non-functioning weapons to cap guns… But it can also mean a real weapon, or one adapted for firing blanks.” However, Hollywood should ban the term from applying to actual firearms.

A disturbing 911 call shed light on how assistant director David Halls had given Baldwin the weapon that ultimately killed Hutchins and wounded Souza. Mamie Mitchell, the script supervisor of the film, made the 911 call for help, the Daily Mail reported.

“We need an ambulance out at Bonanza Creek Ranch right now. We have had two people accidentally shot on a movie set accidentally,” Mitchell said. As she is talking to the 911 operator she instructs someone else to make certain the ambulance has access to the road.

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« Reply #179 on: October 24, 2021, 01:39:34 pm »
And more:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/10/24/total-disaster-we-know-what-reportedly-caused-alec-baldwin-to-accidentally-shoot-n2597875

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« Reply #180 on: October 24, 2021, 03:24:35 pm »
Alec Baldwin 'inconsolable' after deadly 'Rust' movie set shooting, 'canceling other projects': report
Accidental shooting killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza



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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #181 on: October 24, 2021, 03:27:32 pm »

Jonathan Turley: Alec Baldwin shooting – what are the criminal and civil liabilities?
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« Reply #182 on: October 24, 2021, 06:03:56 pm »
Alec Baldwin isn't likely to talk his way out of this one.

He was the executive producer in charge.

He used a real gun on set without checking it and clowned around with it aiming at the cinemaphotographer and pulled the trigger thinking it was funny.

This is what gross negligence looks like.

His movie career should be over.

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« Reply #183 on: October 24, 2021, 07:11:51 pm »
Alec Baldwin isn't likely to talk his way out of this one.

He was the executive producer in charge.

He used a real gun on set without checking it and clowned around with it aiming at the cinemaphotographer and pulled the trigger thinking it was funny.

This is what gross negligence looks like.

His movie career should be over.

What was he doing pointing a gun at a woman anyway?  ANY GUN?  Then after cocking it, pulled the trigger!   This is what domestic abusers do to women.  Wave around a gun to scare women.

She was NOT an actress, it was NOT any scene!  POINTING ANY GUN....goes against all normal protocol for having a gun!
 
NEVER POINT ANY GUN:  ASSUME IT IS LOADED,  REAL OR NOT.  Pointing it would be bad enough, then to actually pull the trigger?  Most military men on here, know the drill. 

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« Reply #184 on: October 24, 2021, 07:14:13 pm »
Alec Baldwin 'inconsolable' after deadly 'Rust' movie set shooting, 'canceling other projects': report
Accidental shooting killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza



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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #185 on: October 24, 2021, 07:43:15 pm »
There are now reports about the set guns being used for target practice off site. If true, that qualifies as gross negligence and a blatant disregard for protocols and safety. Stunningly wrong… if true.

That explains how this could have happened.
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« Reply #186 on: October 24, 2021, 07:55:20 pm »
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  • Never point a gun at anything you are unwilling to destroy.

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  • Know your target and what lies beyond it.

That's it in a nutshell.  I was taught these points at age 6 at a Kiwanis camp from a Hunter Safety Course supported by the NRA.  They stuck with me for life.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #187 on: October 24, 2021, 08:34:14 pm »
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #188 on: October 25, 2021, 12:06:51 am »
This is no surprise for a man that is about as arrogant as they come in Hollyweird.  Perhaps if he wasn't the ignorant POS that he is, this woman would be alive.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #189 on: October 25, 2021, 12:37:07 am »
The woman, whom he killed, her husband is an attorney for CLINTONS.

Actually, @LegalAmerican Matt Hutchins is an attorney who joined Latham & Watkins ' Los Angeles office earlier this year as an associate practicing Mergers & Acquisitions law.

This same firm out of DC represents an attorney for the Clinton campaign under investigation by Durham.  Hutchins has zero to do with this represenation or the Clintons.


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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #191 on: October 25, 2021, 01:15:52 pm »
Baldwin Was Practicing 'Cross-Draw,' Crew Member Who Gave Him Gun Had Prior Safety Complaint
By Nick Arama | Oct 25, 2021 12:00 PM ET

We’ve already reported on a lot of troubling information about the shooting on the set of Alec Baldwin’s movie ‘Rust’ that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded Director Joel Souza.

The last report from sources on the set indicated the crew had been using the prop gun that was involved in the tragedy for target shooting in off-hours and that live ammo had been stored in the same area as blanks. There was also a prior report about an incident with the armorer on another movie set. All those reports, if true, give an indication of how there could have been a mistake with the prop gun.

Now there’s more information that adds to the already troubling actions.

As we previously reported, the assistant director Dave Halls had picked up the prop gun from a cart where it was placed by the armorer. He handed it to Baldwin and declared it was “cold” meaning that it was safe to use and had no live rounds in it.

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Bryan Carpenter, an armorer and weapons master in the film industry, told CNN that “cold guns” shouldn’t be loaded, especially during rehearsals. “You have to make sure that the weapon is truly cold, which means there should have been no rounds in there, period. And especially if it’s a rehearsal,” Carpenter told the outlet. Carpenter also insisted that prop guns should be inspected by two people to ensure they’re “cold” before anyone handles them on set.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #192 on: October 25, 2021, 01:19:30 pm »
Baldwin Was Practicing 'Cross-Draw,' Crew Member Who Gave Him Gun Had Prior Safety Complaint
By Nick Arama | Oct 25, 2021 12:00 PM ET

We’ve already reported on a lot of troubling information about the shooting on the set of Alec Baldwin’s movie ‘Rust’ that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded Director Joel Souza.

The last report from sources on the set indicated the crew had been using the prop gun that was involved in the tragedy for target shooting in off-hours and that live ammo had been stored in the same area as blanks. There was also a prior report about an incident with the armorer on another movie set. All those reports, if true, give an indication of how there could have been a mistake with the prop gun.

Now there’s more information that adds to the already troubling actions.

As we previously reported, the assistant director Dave Halls had picked up the prop gun from a cart where it was placed by the armorer. He handed it to Baldwin and declared it was “cold” meaning that it was safe to use and had no live rounds in it.

From Daily Wire:

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https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/10/25/baldwin-was-practicing-cross-draw-crew-member-who-gave-him-gun-had-prior-safety-complaint-n462986

None of that, even if completely true, excuses Baldwin's failure to check the weapon himself, or to ask that someone inspect it right there in front of him, before he used it.

Firearms safety is a nondelegable duty.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #193 on: October 25, 2021, 03:24:39 pm »
This is no surprise for a man that is about as arrogant as they come in Hollyweird.  Perhaps if he wasn't the ignorant POS that he is, this woman would be alive.
I don't think ignorant is the right word, he has been on too many big budget movies involving guns to be ignorant of proper safety protocols. Perhaps entitled or superior would better describe this piece of excrement but as you said arrogant is also a excellent descriptive. I think there is already cover being given Baldwin by trying to push all the blame on the prop master and safety person.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #194 on: October 25, 2021, 03:31:59 pm »
Baldwin Was Practicing 'Cross-Draw,' Crew Member Who Gave Him Gun Had Prior Safety Complaint
By Nick Arama | Oct 25, 2021 12:00 PM ET

We’ve already reported on a lot of troubling information about the shooting on the set of Alec Baldwin’s movie ‘Rust’ that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded Director Joel Souza.

The last report from sources on the set indicated the crew had been using the prop gun that was involved in the tragedy for target shooting in off-hours and that live ammo had been stored in the same area as blanks. There was also a prior report about an incident with the armorer on another movie set. All those reports, if true, give an indication of how there could have been a mistake with the prop gun.

Now there’s more information that adds to the already troubling actions.

As we previously reported, the assistant director Dave Halls had picked up the prop gun from a cart where it was placed by the armorer. He handed it to Baldwin and declared it was “cold” meaning that it was safe to use and had no live rounds in it.

From Daily Wire:

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https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/10/25/baldwin-was-practicing-cross-draw-crew-member-who-gave-him-gun-had-prior-safety-complaint-n462986
What fool practices cross draw or any other type of draw with a loaded gun with people in line with where they are pointing the weapon. they can try and give cover to Baldwin over the shooting but everything still comes up him violating the most basic gun safety rules. Would anyone here take possession of a firearm without verifying if it was loaded, let alone not treat the weapon as if it was loaded?

This negligent act, I won't call it an accident, will no doubt be used by the left to demonize guns while it in fact points out why children from an early age should be trained in firearm safety.....even someone with a childlike mind like Baldwin.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #195 on: October 25, 2021, 06:29:02 pm »
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As we previously reported, the assistant director Dave Halls had picked up the prop gun from a cart where it was placed by the armorer. He handed it to Baldwin and declared it was “cold” meaning that it was safe to use and had no live rounds in it.
And everything I've read says that only the person in charge of the guns, not another person on the crew like an AD, is to hand the gun to an actor and tell him it's ok. Of course, it's also the responsibility of the actor to check the gun and confirm to the gunmaster that he sees it's safe.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #196 on: October 25, 2021, 07:10:46 pm »
None of that, even if completely true, excuses Baldwin's failure to check the weapon himself, or to ask that someone inspect it right there in front of him, before he used it.

Firearms safety is a nondelegable duty.

Agreed. This just seems to be a deadly brew of ignorance, arrogance, and negligence.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #197 on: October 25, 2021, 07:10:48 pm »
'Rust' crew member who gave Baldwin firearm fired from past job after prop gun accident:LIVE UPDATES

Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on the New Mexico set of the film "Rust" Thursday, killing 42-year-old Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza, who was standing behind her.

Covered by: Edmund DeMarche and Fox News Staff

"First of all, our condolences go out to everyone affected by the recent tragic event in New Mexico," a producer from the film "Freedom's Path" told Fox News on Monday.

"I can confirm that Dave Halls was fired from the set of 'Freedom's Path' in 2019 after a crew member incurred a minor and temporary injury when a gun was unexpectedly discharged. Halls was removed from set immediately after the prop gun discharged. Production did not resume filming until Dave was off-site. An incident report was taken and filed at that time."

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #198 on: October 25, 2021, 07:11:38 pm »
'Rust' chief electrician speaks out, says 'negligence and unprofessionalism' caused accident

"Yes, I was standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Halyna during this fatal shot that took her life and injured the director Joel Souza,” Serge Svetnoy wrote in part on Facebook of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. “I was holding her in my arms while she was dying. Her blood was on my hands."

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #199 on: October 25, 2021, 07:20:36 pm »
'Rust' crew member who gave Baldwin firearm fired from past job after prop gun accident:

"I can confirm that Dave Halls was fired from the set of 'Freedom's Path' in 2019 after a crew member incurred a minor and temporary injury when a gun was unexpectedly discharged. Halls was removed from set immediately after the prop gun discharged. Production did not resume filming until Dave was off-site. An incident report was taken and filed at that time."

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