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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #100 on: October 22, 2021, 05:15:57 pm »

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1451649378540822536
Unless the shot called for Baldwin to point the gun directly at the camera I can't imagine this account being true.

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« Reply #101 on: October 22, 2021, 05:31:41 pm »
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Alec Baldwin family spotted packing up following deadly movie set shooting
Baldwin's assistants were seen packing luggage into cars a day after the actor fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, on the set of his upcoming movie "Rust." Production on the set of "Rust" has been halted indefinitely after the prop gun was misfired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, in New Mexico




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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #102 on: October 22, 2021, 05:36:24 pm »
Alec Baldwin family spotted packing up following deadly movie set shooting
Baldwin's assistants were seen packing luggage into cars a day after the actor fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, on the set of his upcoming movie "Rust." Production on the set of "Rust" has been halted indefinitely after the prop gun was misfired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, in New Mexico

Leave the state and going home to NY so to fight extradition.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #104 on: October 22, 2021, 10:00:39 pm »
The deceased, cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42.


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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #105 on: October 22, 2021, 10:04:37 pm »
They better check the casing for fingerprints.
My bet is that he knew what he was doing and he did it with intention.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #106 on: October 22, 2021, 10:08:20 pm »
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set?_amp=true

Sorry for the sloppy link but this is an informative piece.
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Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he repeated the action, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor. The projectile whizzed by the camera operator but penetrated Hutchins near her shoulder, then continued through to Souza. Hutchins immediately fell to the ground as crew members applied pressure to her wound in an attempt to stop the bleeding.
As nearly as I can translate this, it sounds like there was live ammo in the gun, bullets, not blanks.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #107 on: October 22, 2021, 10:09:54 pm »
They better check the casing for fingerprints.
My bet is that he knew what he was doing and he did it with intention.
There was some sort of dispute on the set, with one crew being run off. There may have been foul play with the firearms being tampered with. But there had been two other accidental discharges during filming, those without injury.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #108 on: October 22, 2021, 10:16:31 pm »
Alec Baldwin is a horrible terrible piece of shit as a human being.
Do I think he would kill someone?
I think he would kill anyone, even his own daughter, if he was pissed off.
The guy is crazy.
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« Reply #109 on: October 22, 2021, 10:24:26 pm »
Alec Baldwin is a horrible terrible piece of shit as a human being.
Do I think he would kill someone?
I think he would kill anyone, even his own daughter, if he was pissed off.
The guy is crazy.

The same reasoning for earlier post on this matter.   He's a complete waste of oxygen.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #110 on: October 22, 2021, 11:06:17 pm »
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set?_amp=true

Sorry for the sloppy link but this is an informative piece.

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The shooting occurred about six hours after the union camera crew left. 

The union folks were forced off set....

Either the scabs didn't know what they were doing or the upset Union set them up. Being two accidental shots were fired earlier, my bet is on the latter.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #112 on: October 23, 2021, 08:48:02 am »
Alec Baldwin Reportedly Used Non-Union ‘Local Crew’ On Set Where He Accidentally Killed Woman With Prop Gun
"We don’t know, did Alec Baldwin pick up a gun that he shouldn’t have picked up and was it not ready to fire?"
by Tom Pappert   
October 22, 2021

Actor Alec Baldwin apparently hired a non-unionized “local crew” for his “lower budget” film Rust that launched the sequence of events that led to the anti-Trump, anti-gun actor shooting and killing a cinematographer while on set of the Western movie.

Baldwin, who is producing the movie and thus may face lawsuits over the death and injury sustained yesterday, apparently hired a non-union “local crew” for the film Rust. At present, the origin of the gun used for the prop is unknown.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #113 on: October 23, 2021, 08:53:10 am »
I was always taught a misfire was a failure to fire so unintended discharge should be the term used.  Blame the gun????


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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #114 on: October 23, 2021, 08:53:43 am »
October 23, 2021
No, let's not be kind to Alec
By J.R. Dunn

There have been a number of suggestions, from the conservative press as much as elsewhere, that we should go easy on poor Alec Baldwin concerning the terrible “accident” that resulted in a “tragedy” at his New Mexico filming location.

No, we should not. It was not an accident, and it is not a tragedy.

There a four primary rules of firearms handling, codified many years ago by firearms expert Jeff Cooper. Everyone serious about firearms has long ago committed them to memory:

    Every gun is always loaded.
    Never put your finger on the trigger until you are about to shoot.
    Never aim at anything you are not willing to destroy.
    Be absolutely certain about what is behind your target.

It seems clear that Baldwin ignored every last one of these. He didn’t bother to check his weapon to see if it was loaded. He had his finger on the trigger in an insecure situation. He aimed it at two people. His director Joel Souza was standing behind Halyna Hutchins, who was killed. Souza was evidently hit by the same round.

Baldwin has long been an outspoken advocate of gun control. He has generally presented himself as an expert – he generally presents himself as an expert on everything that has ever happened since humans first appeared on the Serengeti. His remarks concerning firearms have been sarcastic, vindictive, and dismissive of anyone with the temerity to disagree. Second Amendment supporters, on the other hand, have long suspected that his firearms expertise, as is true of most gun control advocates, has been rudimentary at best. And now… whatayya know.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #115 on: October 23, 2021, 09:00:09 am »
Now there are reports that there had been a lot of problems before the shooting – that the crew was upset about long hours, low pay, and having to commute 50 miles from Albuquerque instead of staying in Santa Fe. According to the Los Angeles Times, the camera crew walked off the production just hours before the shooting:

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    As the camera crew — members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees — spent about an hour assembling their gear at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, several nonunion crew members showed up to replace them, the knowledgeable person said…

    “Corners were being cut — and they brought in nonunion people so they could continue to shooting,” the knowledgeable person said.

    There were two misfires on the prop gun and one the previous week, the person said, adding “there was a serious lack of safety meetings on this set.”…

    The shooting occurred about six hours after the union camera crew left.


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« Reply #116 on: October 23, 2021, 09:06:51 am »
The tidbit about a good lefty like Alec not using union workers is like the cherry on top.
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« Reply #117 on: October 23, 2021, 09:22:14 am »


If it was rehearsal, why actually pull the trigger? Supposedly, whomever handed him the gun said it was "cold," but some supposedly in the business are saying it's the actor's responsibility to satisfy himself of the gun's condition.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #118 on: October 23, 2021, 09:47:01 am »
I was always taught a misfire was a failure to fire so unintended discharge should be the term used.  Blame the gun????
I was always taught (and passed this on to three generations) that You never point a gun at anything you do not want to destroy
You ASSUME ALL GUNS ARE LOADED until you personally check it and clear it and then observe the first rule anyway

Muzzle discipline is a habit.

Any time a gun is fired unintentionally, negligence is usually involved. Only rarely does a gun malfunction and fire.
In that rare instance, if the above rules are observed, it will be pointed in a safe direction, and there will be no cartridge to discharge.  Every live round on a movie set should be accounted for.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #119 on: October 23, 2021, 09:48:56 am »
The tidbit about a good lefty like Alec not using union workers is like the cherry on top.

Hypocrite, ignoramus, loudly opinionated, spiteful pr*ck... Alec ticks off all the boxes.

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« Reply #120 on: October 23, 2021, 09:51:29 am »


If it was rehearsal, why actually pull the trigger? Supposedly, whomever handed him the gun said it was "cold," but some supposedly in the business are saying it's the actor's responsibility to satisfy himself of the gun's condition.
Someone hands you a gun, you check it, even if they just did. Among firearm owners, it should be a habit.

Among anti-gun actors, apparently it is not.
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« Reply #121 on: October 23, 2021, 10:08:11 am »
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« Reply #122 on: October 23, 2021, 10:14:00 am »
Sorry for the sloppy link but this is an informative piece.
"... Safety protocols standard in the industry, including gun inspections, were not strictly followed on the “Rust” set near Santa Fe, the sources said. They said at least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to a production manager about gun safety on the set.

Three crew members who were present at the Bonanza Creek Ranch set on Saturday said they were particularly concerned about two accidental prop gun discharges.

Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks — two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.  ...
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« Reply #123 on: October 23, 2021, 10:29:09 am »
We should cut poor Alec Baldwin some slack and blame the Producer.

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« Reply #125 on: October 23, 2021, 11:03:50 am »
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« Reply #126 on: October 23, 2021, 11:04:19 am »
The tidbit about a good lefty like Alec not using union workers is like the cherry on top.

I can’t imagine how overheated the “conversation” would be if this were a conservative actor, say James Woods or Jon Voight.
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Was everyone on set fully vaccinated?
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« Reply #129 on: October 23, 2021, 11:51:07 am »
We should cut poor Alec Baldwin some slack and blame the Producer.

Oh, wait.....

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« Reply #130 on: October 23, 2021, 11:53:38 am »
'Course being handed a hot gun wouldn't explain why he pointed it at someone and pulled the trigger.

Exactly.  He seems to be saying that the person who have him the gun should have known what a reckless pr*ck he was and should have triple-checked the ordinance.
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« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2021, 12:37:44 pm »
I can’t imagine how overheated the “conversation” would be if this were a conservative actor, say James Woods or Jon Voight.

Except they would not be so blatantly careless….

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #136 on: October 23, 2021, 01:20:51 pm »
Weapons Handler for Alec Baldwin Film Has Resume for “Ensuring gun safety on set along with instructing actors on how to use their guns.”


by Roger Friedman - October 22, 2021 11:03 pm



EXCLUSIVE Hannah Gutierrez has been identified as the armorer or weapons handler on the movie, “Rust.” According to reports, she laid out three guns on the Santa Fe set. One of them wound up killing Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza, fired by an unwitting Alec Baldwin.

Gutierrez’s LinkedIn page includes a resume note from this past spring and summer working at Yellowstone Film Ranch in Montana from March through June. She described her job there: “Loading firearms with appropriately sized blanks. Ensuring gun safety on set along with instructing actors on how to use their guns.”

She is young and pretty, and according to LinkedIn a student at Northern Arizona University from 2017 to 2020 in “creative media and film.”

It’s unclear if Gutierrez was union approved or licensed, or still a student. But she comes from a family of “armorers.” Her father is the famous armorer and movie gun consultant Thell Reed, who she said trained her in an affidavit.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #137 on: October 23, 2021, 01:22:46 pm »
 Alec Baldwin Fatal Accident Head Gun Handler Had Recent Self-Doubts ... New On the Job



The woman responsible for handling weapons on the set of Alec Baldwin's "Rust" had only recently taken on a gig as a head armorer, and shared she had real doubts about doing the job.

Hannah Reed -- daughter of Hollywood armorer Thell Reed -- appeared on the "Voices of the West" podcast last month to talk about her new experiences in the biz. Reed told the hosts she had just wrapped a western movie with Nic Cage called "The Old Way" ... and it was her first time as head armorer on a movie.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #138 on: October 23, 2021, 03:21:37 pm »
She is young and pretty, and according to LinkedIn a student at Northern Arizona University from 2017 to 2020 in “creative media and film.”

She is about to be not-so-pretty with a large bus parked on top of her.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #139 on: October 23, 2021, 03:24:03 pm »
No matter what, the responsibility for the discharge of a weapon lies with the holder, in this case baldwin.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #140 on: October 23, 2021, 03:31:26 pm »
Alec Baldwin Fatal Accident Head Gun Handler Had Recent Self-Doubts ... New On the Job



The woman responsible for handling weapons on the set of Alec Baldwin's "Rust" had only recently taken on a gig as a head armorer, and shared she had real doubts about doing the job.

Hannah Reed -- daughter of Hollywood armorer Thell Reed -- appeared on the "Voices of the West" podcast last month to talk about her new experiences in the biz. Reed told the hosts she had just wrapped a western movie with Nic Cage called "The Old Way" ... and it was her first time as head armorer on a movie.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #141 on: October 23, 2021, 03:32:42 pm »
Will Alec Baldwin face charges? Legal experts say massive civil suit is a virtual certainty, but that any criminal prosecution would likely focus on whoever prepared prop gun

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Will Alec Baldwin face charges? Legal experts say massive civil suit is a virtual certainty, but that any criminal prosecution would likely focus on whoever prepared prop gun
Legal experts tell DailyMail.com lawsuits naming Baldwin are a virtual certainty
In addition to acting, he was producer on film where cinematographer was killed
But any criminal charges are more likely to center on whoever prepped prop gun
Prosecutors would have to prove gross negligence in loading the weapon
Murder charges are unlikely unless there was an intentional act behind the death
But manslaughter does not require intent to kill, only criminal negligence


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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #142 on: October 23, 2021, 03:37:16 pm »
Will Alec Baldwin face charges? Legal experts say massive civil suit is a virtual certainty, but that any criminal prosecution would likely focus on whoever prepared prop gun

Reporters don't even know that "prop guns" cannot fire anything.  No pin, and a plugged barrel.  I've seen them.  Revolvers turn, pulling the trigger moves the hammer, but there is no way to fire.
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #143 on: October 23, 2021, 03:46:28 pm »
Actor Robert Davi explains the usual required procedure for using a gun on a movie set.

https://twitter.com/RobertJohnDavi/status/1451499551584669698
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #144 on: October 23, 2021, 04:45:22 pm »
Alec Baldwin Shooting Victim Was Wife Of Latham & Watkins Lawyer Which Represent The Clinton Connected Attorney Just Indicted By Bob Durham

https://www.usasupreme.com/alec-baldwin-shooting-victim-was-wife-of-latham-watkins-lawyer-which-represent-the-clinton-connected-attorney-just-indicted-by-bob-durham/
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #145 on: October 23, 2021, 04:48:42 pm »
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Three crew members who were present at the Bonanza Creek Ranch set on Saturday said they were particularly concerned about two accidental prop gun discharges.

Baldwin's stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was "cold" — lingo for a weapon that doesn't have any ammunition, including blanks — two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

"There should have been an investigation into what happened," a crew member said. "There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn't happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush."

A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires that he sent a text message to the unit production manager. "We've now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe," according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.

"The safety of our cast and crew is the top priority of Rust Productions and everyone associated with the company, " Rust Movie Productions said in a statement. "Though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down. We will continue to cooperate with the Santa Fe authorities in their investigation and offer mental health services to the cast and crew during this tragic time."

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #146 on: October 23, 2021, 05:38:02 pm »
Alec Baldwin attends private memorial for crew member he accidentally shot
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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #147 on: October 23, 2021, 07:03:18 pm »
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'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

https://news.yahoo.com/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-193409810.html

This is disturbing.  All ears were up because of a bizarre incident days before, and nobody acted differently?  WTF does this???

Alec Baldwin Shooting Victim Was Wife Of Latham & Watkins Lawyer Which Represent The Clinton Connected Attorney Just Indicted By Bob Durham

https://www.usasupreme.com/alec-baldwin-shooting-victim-was-wife-of-latham-watkins-lawyer-which-represent-the-clinton-connected-attorney-just-indicted-by-bob-durham/


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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #148 on: October 23, 2021, 07:09:42 pm »
This is disturbing.  All ears were up because of a bizarre incident days before, and nobody acted differently?  WTF does this???
 

Wait....she may have had dirt on Hillary Clinton?  Just Damn!

 Interesting tid bit.

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Re: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
« Reply #149 on: October 23, 2021, 07:42:28 pm »
Wait....she may have had dirt on Hillary Clinton?  Just Damn!

On Oct 18, Halyna Hutchins posted on Twitter that she had info that would lead to Hillary Clintons arrest according to Lance Migliaccio who posted her tweet on his Getter account yesterday.
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