Author Topic: Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set (Read 31082 times)

mountaineer · « **Reply #50 on:** October 22, 2021, 12:16:00 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on October 22, 2021, 12:10:37 pm

Even without that comment, I think there is enough justification for. a negligent homicide charge. If it is true, that just ices it.

Absolutely.

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #51 on:** October 22, 2021, 12:47:40 pm »

Kamaji · « **Reply #52 on:** October 22, 2021, 01:08:00 pm »

Quote from: Free Vulcan on October 22, 2021, 11:54:51 am

Tearful Alec Baldwin asked why he was handed 'hot gun' after fatal shooting on set: Report

Actor Alec Baldwin was distraught and shocked after fatally shooting a crew member on the set of his latest movie, asking repeatedly why he was given a "hot gun," according to a new report.

The 63-year-old star broke down in tears as he was questioned by Santa Fe authorities following the tragic mishap on the set of Rust, a western he was producing and starring in, Showbiz 411 reported . A single shot from a prop gun Baldwin apparently did not know was loaded killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza.

“In all my years, I’ve never been handed a hot gun,” Baldwin repeatedly said following the accident, according to the account.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/alec-baldwins-latest-law-brush-far-from-first

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Keep digging that hole douchewheel.

Whether you knew the gun was hot or not, Mr. Baldwin, does not excuse your acting contrary to minimum basic gun safety rules; to wit: do not point a gun, loaded or unloaded, at anyone whom you would not be happy to kill with that gun.

Kamaji · « **Reply #53 on:** October 22, 2021, 01:41:22 pm »

catfish1957 · « **Reply #54 on:** October 22, 2021, 01:43:21 pm »

Quote from: Kamaji on October 22, 2021, 01:41:22 pm

Don't worry Wiki edit Nazis will have that fixed by sundown.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #55 on:** October 22, 2021, 01:46:13 pm »

How many rounds were fired?...it sounds like just one from all the articles I have read..then how did he hit 2 people?

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #56 on:** October 22, 2021, 01:52:12 pm »

Interesting ..... even if this was an accident, there's more than enough negligence for some degree of charges. These protocols appear not to have been followed ....

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobertJohnDavi/status/1451499551584669698

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #57 on:** October 22, 2021, 01:53:22 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on October 22, 2021, 01:43:21 pm

Don't worry Wiki edit Nazis will have that fixed by sundown.

It's already fixed.

mountaineer · « **Reply #58 on:** October 22, 2021, 01:55:18 pm »

"Hot gun," really? A prop gun is one that comes from the property department. It doesn't mean it isn't an actual gun, which I guess is a hot gun. What a dope.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #59 on:** October 22, 2021, 01:56:30 pm »

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"A live single round was accidentally fired on set by the principal actor,…”

The word is “negligently”.

andy58-in-nh · « **Reply #60 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:03:32 pm »

Always treat all guns as if they are loaded.
Never point a gun at anything you are unwilling to destroy.
Keep your finger outside the trigger guard and off the trigger until you have your target properly sighted, and intend to destroy it.
Know your target and what lies beyond it.

We "gun nuts" know these things.

Apparently, Mr. Baldwin did not.

dfwgator · « **Reply #61 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:08:55 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on October 22, 2021, 11:25:32 am

Even more irony is that Baldwin has shot 2 more people than any non-military and responsible Briefer gun owner has.

Maybe if only he'd taken those NRA Gun Safety courses, those lives may have been saved.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #62 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:12:38 pm »

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Prop Gun Fired by Alec Baldwin Contained Live Bullet, Says IATSE Local 44

Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed on the New Mexico set of the Alec Baldwin film “Rust” after she was shot by a prop gun fired by the film’s star and producer, Alec Baldwin. IATSE Local 44, which covers prop masters, sent an email to its members early Friday morning that said the gun used in the scene contained “a live round” and the production’s propmaster was not a member of Local 44. Director Joel Souza also was hit and injured by a bullet and was treated at an area hospital before being released.

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In the email that IATSE Local 44 sent to its membership, Secretary-Treasurer Anthony Pawluc described the event as an “an accidental weapons discharge” in which “A live single round was accidentally fired on set by the principal actor, hitting both the Director of Photography, Local 600 member Halnya Hutchins, and Director Joel Souza … Local 44 has confirmed that the Props, Set Decoration, Special Effects and Construction Departments were staffed by New Mexico crew members. There were no Local 44 members on the call sheet.”

More:
https://www.indiewire.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-fires-gun-kills-cinematographer-wounds-director-on-rust-set-1234673555/

"Accidentlly" really should be "negligently"

roamer_1 · « **Reply #63 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:20:56 pm »

Quote from: Free Vulcan on October 22, 2021, 10:55:34 am

There is no way this happens without some seriously irresponsible gun handling.

To start with, anyone who actually knows how to handle guns, knows not to point it at anything or anyone you don't intend to kill.

Off the get-go, the play acting in Hollyweird necessarily ignores this very basic law. Add to that the ignorance of where your trigger finger goes until you are ready to pop a round, and it is a recipe for disaster.

Likely close quarters and the wad did the deed. Folks don't get that the wad in blanks is still a projectile.

EdinVA · « **Reply #64 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:22:28 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2021, 02:12:38 pm

"Accidentlly" really should be "negligently"

How did it go????You have to be smarter than the equipment you are trying to operate...

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #65 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:34:17 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2021, 01:52:12 pm

Interesting ..... even if this was an accident, there's more than enough negligence for some degree of charges. These protocols appear not to have been followed ....

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobertJohnDavi/status/1451499551584669698

Here's the negligence

@EdinVA

Ghost Bear · « **Reply #66 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:40:45 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2021, 02:12:38 pm

"Accidentlly" really should be "negligently"

If there were no IATSE Local 44 union members working on the set, how does the union know what happened there?

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #67 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:46:10 pm »

Quote from: Ghost Bear on October 22, 2021, 02:40:45 pm

If there were no IATSE Local 44 union members working on the set, how does the union know what happened there?

Call them and ask them @Ghost Bear

EdinVA · « **Reply #68 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:49:11 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2021, 02:34:17 pm

Here's the negligence @EdinVA

@Right_in_Virginia
Especially the part about pointing the weapon.... just stupidity

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #69 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:49:52 pm »

One shot fired by Alec Baldwin tore through two people on movie set
NY Post, Oct 22, 2021

The bullet Alec Baldwin fired from a prop gun first struck director of photography Halyna Hutchins — then exited her body and hit film director Joel Souza’s clavicle on the set of the upcoming film “Rust,” according to a report Friday.

The movie set was quickly locked down and Hutchins and Souza were rushed to a hospital via a helicopter, according to the report. Hutchins died while being transported.

The “Motherless Brooklyn” star went to the hospital to check on the condition of the filmmakers, where he learned he had killed Hutchins, according to the outlet.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/one-shot-fired-by-alec-baldwin-tore-through-two-people-on-movie-set/

EdinVA · « **Reply #70 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:52:25 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2021, 02:49:52 pm

One shot fired by Alec Baldwin tore through two people on movie set
NY Post, Oct 22, 2021

The bullet Alec Baldwin fired from a prop gun first struck director of photography Halyna Hutchins — then exited her body and hit film director Joel Souza’s clavicle on the set of the upcoming film “Rust,” according to a report Friday.

The movie set was quickly locked down and Hutchins and Souza were rushed to a hospital via a helicopter, according to the report. Hutchins died while being transported.

The “Motherless Brooklyn” star went to the hospital to check on the condition of the filmmakers, where he learned he had killed Hutchins, according to the outlet.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/one-shot-fired-by-alec-baldwin-tore-through-two-people-on-movie-set/

So why was there "real" ammunition in a prop gun on a movie set?
I would suggest this was deliberate..

Lando Lincoln · « **Reply #71 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:52:42 pm »

I get the sense that Baldwin knowingly and willfully pulled the trigger in what was - he thought - a horse playing moment. Regardless, there seems to be abundant negligence.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #72 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:55:21 pm »

Quote from: EdinVA on October 22, 2021, 02:49:11 pm

@Right_in_Virginia
Especially the part about pointing the weapon.... just stupidity

Plus @EdinVA if Baldwin had --- as he was supposed to do ---- checked the gun, he would have known it was loaded.

Lots of negligence here .... the non-union prop master (training unknown), the prop master not checking the gun, the actor not checking the gun, the actor pointing the gun at the woman who would become his victim.

Lando Lincoln · « **Reply #73 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:56:35 pm »

I’ve grown very tired of hearing it was a prop gun.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #74 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:56:35 pm »

Exclusive Eyewitness Recounts Shooting on Alec Baldwin Movie Set: One bullet ripped through both victims

by Roger Friedman - October 22, 2021 12:46 am

EXCLUSIVE It was one bullet that discharged from the prop gun on the Santa Fe movie “Rust” and killed the director of photography and wounded the movie’s director.

An eyewitness on set tells this column that the bullet went straight through the body of DP Halyna Hutchins and into the clavicle of the film’s director Joel Souza.

Very quickly the set was locked down. Ambulance and helicopters arrived. Hutchins and Souza were sent straight to the hospital. Hutchins died en route in a helicopter.

On the ground, Baldwin was in shock but composed. He kept asking why he was handed a “hot gun.” Our eyewitness said Baldwin kept saying “In all my years, I’ve never been handed a hot gun.”

“A hot gun” means a gun with real ammunition.

Baldwin, not knowing the fate of the victims, was taken immediately to the hospital. “He had no idea how badly they were hurt or Halyna was dead.”

“Rust” is a Tier 1 one movie, meaning it was being produced for under $6 million. Our source says: “They had safety meetings every day but it was a Tier I movie, so they probably didn’t have more than 1 prop person.” According to the imdb, there was one key medic on the staff and two stunt people.

Whatever happened on the set, Alec Baldwin certainly didn’t intend for this outcome. And “Rust” is done. Sources say the production has been halted but as with the movie about Gregg Allman’s life, in which a crew member was killed because of negligence, lawsuits will now override any chance to that movie being finished.

https://www.showbiz411.com/2021/10/22/exclusive-eyewitness-recounts-shooting-on-alec-baldwin-movie-set-one-bullet-ripped-through-both-victims

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #75 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:56:55 pm »

Quote from: Lando Lincoln on October 22, 2021, 02:52:42 pm

I get the sense that Baldwin knowingly and willfully pulled the trigger in what was - he thought - a horse playing moment. Regardless, there seems to be abundant negligence.

Agree, with both @Lando Lincoln

mystery-ak · « **Reply #76 on:** October 22, 2021, 02:57:27 pm »

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“Rust” is a Tier 1 one movie, meaning it was being produced for under $6 million. Our source says: “They had safety meetings every day but it was a Tier I movie, so they probably didn’t have more than 1 prop person.” According to the imdb, there was one key medic on the staff and two stunt people.

Were they [Baldwin] cutting corners by not hiring union workers?

mystery-ak · « **Reply #77 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:00:06 pm »

Quote from: Lando Lincoln on October 22, 2021, 02:52:42 pm

I get the sense that Baldwin knowingly and willfully pulled the trigger in what was - he thought - a horse playing moment. Regardless, there seems to be abundant negligence.

This is exactly what Mike says...and why was he pointing it at both of these people?

catfish1957 · « **Reply #78 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:02:26 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on October 22, 2021, 02:56:35 pm

“Rust” is a Tier 1 one movie, meaning it was being produced for under $6 million. Our source says: “They had safety meetings every day but it was a Tier I movie, so they probably didn’t have more than 1 prop person.”

Man, I wish we could stick Baldwin in a tier 1 prison.

Kamaji · « **Reply #79 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:03:04 pm »

Quote from: Lando Lincoln on October 22, 2021, 02:52:42 pm

I get the sense that Baldwin knowingly and willfully pulled the trigger in what was - he thought - a horse playing moment. Regardless, there seems to be abundant negligence.

Agreed.

Lando Lincoln · « **Reply #80 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:04:06 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on October 22, 2021, 03:00:06 pm

This is exactly what Mike says...and why was he pointing it at both of these people?

Because he is, and always has been, an idiot.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #81 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:06:14 pm »

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/1451572461787439106

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/1451573351588106246

Lando Lincoln · « **Reply #82 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:10:04 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2021, 03:06:14 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/1451572461787439106

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/1451573351588106246

The comments yo those tweets are so incredibly shallow.

mystery-ak · « **Reply #83 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:17:17 pm »

why were there live rounds on the set?

dfwgator · « **Reply #84 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:23:48 pm »

Quote from: mystery-ak on October 22, 2021, 03:17:17 pm

why were there live rounds on the set?

Ask the Producer. Oh wait, that was Alec Baldwin.

skeeter · « **Reply #85 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:27:28 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 22, 2021, 03:06:14 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/1451572461787439106

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/1451573351588106246

Not sure I'd want to hear from the guy who pointed a gun at and killed my wife right now. Wouldn't care how broke his heart was.

dfwgator · « **Reply #86 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:32:13 pm »

Quote from: Lando Lincoln on October 22, 2021, 03:10:04 pm

The comments yo those tweets are so incredibly shallow.

Alec didn't write those tweets, his publicist did.

Lando Lincoln · « **Reply #87 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:35:43 pm »

Quote from: dfwgator on October 22, 2021, 03:32:13 pm

Alec didn't write those tweets, his publicist did.

That too would be dumb, sayeth every attorney everywhere.

Polly Ticks · « **Reply #88 on:** October 22, 2021, 03:43:53 pm »

Alec Baldwin’s ‘Rust’ co-star Jensen Ackles spoke about gun training days before tragedy

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Alec Baldwin’s co-star Jensen Ackles spoke about his gun training on the set of their Western film “Rust” just days before Thursday’s tragic accident, which left a cinematographer dead — suggesting he only got a very brief rundown before a big “shoot-out” scene.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/alec-baldwins-rust-co-star-jensen-ackles-spoke-about-gun-training-days-before-tragedy/

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #89 on:** October 22, 2021, 04:08:05 pm »

Halyna Hutchins ----

Lando Lincoln · « **Reply #90 on:** October 22, 2021, 04:10:08 pm »

I wonder who owned the gun.

Polly Ticks · « **Reply #91 on:** October 22, 2021, 04:12:13 pm »

https://twitter.com/TheAviator1992/status/1451427313011150850

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #92 on:** October 22, 2021, 04:17:54 pm »

Polly Ticks · « **Reply #93 on:** October 22, 2021, 04:22:45 pm »

Alec Baldwin ‘Rust’ camera crew walked off the set in protest before the fatal shooting

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Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions.

The camera operators and their assistants were frustrated by the conditions surrounding the low-budget film, including complaints of long hours and pay, according to three people familiar with the matter who were not authorized to comment.

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The cinematographer who was accidentally killed, Halyna Hutchins, had been advocating for safer conditions for her team, said one crew member who was on the set.

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There were two misfires on the prop gun on Saturday and one the previous week, the person said, adding “there was a serious lack of safety meetings on this set.”

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

Lots of "sources" and "the person said", but for what it's worth.

Wingnut · « **Reply #94 on:** October 22, 2021, 04:24:30 pm »

This didn't age well

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #95 on:** October 22, 2021, 04:58:47 pm »

Quote from: Lando Lincoln on October 22, 2021, 04:10:08 pm

I wonder who owned the gun.

Me, too ..... and who last used it.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #96 on:** October 22, 2021, 05:00:08 pm »

Quote from: Polly Ticks on October 22, 2021, 04:22:45 pm

Alec Baldwin ‘Rust’ camera crew walked off the set in protest before the fatal shooting

Lots of "sources" and "the person said", but for what it's worth.

Good stuff @Polly Ticks

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #97 on:** October 22, 2021, 05:03:34 pm »

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1451649378540822536

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #98 on:** October 22, 2021, 05:04:26 pm »

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1451650804507627520

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #99 on:** October 22, 2021, 05:09:12 pm »

https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1451652014367256587

Protocol (rules) calls for both the prop master and the actor to physically check the chamber of the gun --- the actor, whoever it is, is not supposed to take the word of the prop master. Both of them are to confirm the gun's safe to use.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobertJohnDavi/status/1451499551584669698