Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election

[RetBobbyMI]

Alabama SOS site has it closing
49.43%   526,027.  Jones
49.20%.  523,622.  Moore
14,553.   Write in’s
Total Ballots Cast: 1,066,716  Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812  Voter Turnout: 32.06%  Counties Reported: 65 of 67  Last Updated: 12/12/2017 09:53:41 PM

[musiclady]

The reality is that turnout was excellent across the state. I'm not sure who stayed home.

What got Jones over the line was the black vote, which has nothing to do with Moore, other than the smear ads by Jones calling him a racist.

Or Moore, himself, saying that the time of slavery was a great time because families were stronger. 

He did this to himself.   No one did it for him....... or to him.

[Mom MD]

What a circus a recount would be

[dfwgator]

The reality is that turnout was excellent across the state. I'm not sure who stayed home.

What got Jones over the line was the black vote, which has nothing to do with Moore, other than the smear ads by Jones calling him a racist.

Should have picked our own damned cotton.

[musiclady]

Yeah, if the people of Alabama hadn't voted for Moore in the first place, they wouldn't have had to choose between the target of a full bore smear campaign and a supporter of murdering babies.

Oh, and that trial by media thingy....

People will have the government they deserve.

Sorry.  I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.

We agree on almost everything else, so I hope that's OK with you.

The media smear didn't lose it for Moore.   He did.  NO Republican candidate should have lost this seat.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@mystery-ak

They would not go after Pence; he is not mentally crippled like Trump.

The President is not mentally crippled @Victoria33

And, yes, Pence will be removed, too.  So be careful what you wish for.

[DiogenesLamp]

Electing Moore would not have stopped baby murder.  There are not 60 votes in the senate for that even with Moore.  There aren’t even 50 votes with the likes of Collins and Murkowski who are supposedly on our side of the aisle

I think Judicial nominees no longer have to have 60 votes.  I believe Harry Reid triggered the Nuke option,  and so we've been using it.   


Now very good judges can get hungup in the Senate in favor of "moderates".   


Not voting has resulted in a nigh on infinity more damage than voting would have had.   

[edpc]

Alabama SOS site has it closing
49.43%   526,027.  Jones
49.20%.  523,622.  Moore
14,553.   Write in’s
Total Ballots Cast: 1,066,716  Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812  Voter Turnout: 32.06%  Counties Reported: 65 of 67  Last Updated: 12/12/2017 09:53:41 PM

That's half the turnout from Nov 2016.  Perhaps that's not bad for a special election, but it's pretty obvious a lot of people didn't care.

[Hoodat]

No, it was the fault of people who spread around unprovable accusations from 40 F***ing years ago.

No, it is still Moore's responsibility.  He did a piss poor job of defending himself.  He should have been campaigning across the state non-stop like a real candidate does.  But he figured his Ten Commandments stance was all that was needed.

Moore may have a good chunk of the people swayed, but he sucks at politics.

[RetBobbyMI]

U.S. SENATE SPECIAL GENERAL ELECTION 2017 STATEWIDE RESULTS

Total Ballots Cast: 1,132,826  Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812  Voter Turnout: 34.05%  Counties Reported: 66 of 67  Last Updated: 12/12/2017 09:56:44 PM
The election results presented on these pages are unofficial and presented as a courtesy of the Alabama Secretary of State and Alabama’s Probate Judges. The accuracy of the election results is the responsibility of the Probate Judge for each county reporting.

UNITED STATES SENATOR
        
Doug Jones (DEM)   49.01%.   553,931
Roy S. Moore (REP)   49.55%.   560,083
Write-In   1.44%.   16,271
   
1,130,285

[Jazzhead]

@Victoria33
Moore didn't lose us shit.

He lost evangelicals their moral authority.   They're cynical opportunists no better than the rest.   It is a scandal that the GOP couldn't retain this seat.  It nominated the only man that could persuade the State of Alabama to send to the Senate who could well be their most liberal member.

   

[musiclady]

Should have picked our own damned cotton.

Wow.   That was uncalled for.

[Hoodat]

The media smear didn't lose it for Moore.   He did.  NO Republican candidate should have lost this seat.

Word.

[Bigun]

What a circus a recount would be

It doesn't really matter now because the swamp and the media have proven their formula to keep unwanted interlopers out and it will be used unceasingly without mercy from here on out. 

[RetBobbyMI]

U.S. SENATE SPECIAL GENERAL ELECTION 2017 STATEWIDE RESULTS

Total Ballots Cast: 1,132,826  Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812  Voter Turnout: 34.05%  Counties Reported: 66 of 67  Last Updated: 12/12/2017 09:56:44 PM
The election results presented on these pages are unofficial and presented as a courtesy of the Alabama Secretary of State and Alabama’s Probate Judges. The accuracy of the election results is the responsibility of the Probate Judge for each county reporting.

UNITED STATES SENATOR
        
Doug Jones (DEM)   49.01%.   553,931
Roy S. Moore (REP)   49.55%.   560,083
Write-In   1.44%.   16,271
   
1,130,285

Who said Moore lost. The fat lady didn’t sing yet

[DiogenesLamp]

@Victoria33
Moore didn't lose us shit.

That is my position as well.   Our guy got backstabbed by people all to eager to believe the guy they didn't like anyways, was a creep.   

Jeff Flake wrote a check to Doug Jones.   That's the kind of treasonous scum we have in our party.   

[Frank Cannon]

@mystery-ak

They would not go after Pence; he is not mentally crippled like Trump.

Really? He is the most cripple establishment loser we have had as VP since Algore.

I hope the Rats find out Mike is having an affair so we have proof he is not a robot or a martian.

[Free Vulcan]

Latest results I've seen:

Doug Jones    Democrat    639,088    49.5%    
Roy Moore    Republican    629,749    48.8    
Total Write-Ins    â€”    22,019    1.7    

98% reporting (2,181 of 2,220 precincts)

[Right_in_Virginia]

No, it is still Moore's responsibility.  He did a piss poor job of defending himself.  He should have been campaigning across the state non-stop like a real candidate does.  But he figured his Ten Commandments stance was all that was needed.

Moore may have a good chunk of the people swayed, but he sucks at politics.

Moore also spent the last Saturday before the election watching the Army-Navy game.

[Variant]

Sorry.  I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.

We agree on almost everything else, so I hope that's OK with you.

The media smear didn't lose it for Moore.   He did.  NO Republican candidate should have lost this seat.

Only one candidate could have lost, and it was Moore.  And that's who the voters put up.

[DiogenesLamp]

History with Moore says it was always going to be a close race.  He wasn't a candidate who had any margin for resiliency against smears -- bogus or otherwise.

Not one F***ing candidate could have survived that attack.  It didn't matter if it was Mo Brooks or Luther Strange,  that attack would have destroyed them too.   

[dfwgator]

That is my position as well.   Our guy got backstabbed by people all to eager to believe the guy they didn't like anyways, was a creep.   

Jeff Flake wrote a check to Doug Jones.   That's the kind of treasonous scum we have in our party.

The Treasonous Scum starts at the very top of the Party.   Yes, Mitch, I'm talking about you.

[Mom MD]

I think Judicial nominees no longer have to have 60 votes.  I believe Harry Reid triggered the Nuke option,  and so we've been using it.   


Now very good judges can get hungup in the Senate in favor of "moderates".   


Not voting has resulted in a nigh on infinity more damage than voting would have had.

We still have 51 plus Pence.  I don’t blame people for not voting for Moore.  I would have had a hard time voting for him if I lived in Alabama

[Hoodat]

U.S. SENATE SPECIAL GENERAL ELECTION 2017 STATEWIDE RESULTS

Total Ballots Cast: 1,132,826  Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812  Voter Turnout: 34.05%  Counties Reported: 66 of 67  Last Updated: 12/12/2017 09:56:44 PM
The election results presented on these pages are unofficial and presented as a courtesy of the Alabama Secretary of State and Alabama’s Probate Judges. The accuracy of the election results is the responsibility of the Probate Judge for each county reporting.

UNITED STATES SENATOR
        
Doug Jones (DEM)   49.01%.   553,931
Roy S. Moore (REP)   49.55%.   560,083
Write-In   1.44%.   16,271
   
1,130,285

The NY Times has it 639k to 629k for Jones.  Why are your vote totals so much lower?

[corbe]

The President is not mentally crippled @Victoria33

And, yes, Pence will be removed, too.  So be careful what you wish for.

    Your Trump Love is showing again @Right_in_Virginia and I, for one, am OK with that.
    I anxiously await his tweet about this at 5:20 AM EST.

[kevindavis007]

@radleybalko
 4m4 minutes ago
Report: Steve Bannon talking to the Demogorgon to run for Indiana’s senate seat next year.

Go away Steve..

[RetBobbyMI]

Latest results I've seen:

Doug Jones    Democrat    639,088    49.5%    
Roy Moore    Republican    629,749    48.8    
Total Write-Ins    â€”    22,019    1.7    

98% reporting (2,181 of 2,220 precincts)

http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915
Big difference. Don’t know your source.

[edpc]

Who said Moore lost. The fat lady didn’t sing yet

Math did.  The remaining 2% of votes to be counted are from blue areas in Birmingham and outside Mobile.  Not enough in those areas to overcome the deficit.

[roamer_1]

He lost evangelicals their moral authority.   They're cynical opportunists no better than the rest.   It is a scandal that the GOP couldn't retain this seat.  It nominated the only man that could persuade the State of Alabama to send to the Senate who could well be their most liberal member.

 

BULLSHIT.

[Free Vulcan]

Or Moore, himself, saying that the time of slavery was a great time because families were stronger. 

He did this to himself.   No one did it for him....... or to him.

They are going to do this to every candidate from now on, troll up every word that they said, even if bald faced lies, out of context, or said 40 years ago. Moore has nothing to do with it.

They have their formula now.

[Mom MD]

The Treasonous Scum starts at the very top of the Party.   Yes, Mitch, I'm talking about you.

Yes.  Sadly the Republican Party no longer represents conservative interests and they have not for many years.  Staying home is one thing.  Actively supporting the other side is another

[Hoodat]

Moore also spent the last Saturday before the election watching the Army-Navy game.

Exactly.  He should have been on a bus stopping at every town between Decatur and Dothan.

[RoosGirl]

Wow.   That was uncalled for.

Yeah, he's wrong.

[Free Vulcan]

http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915
Big difference. Don’t know your source.

NY Times. The state site is woefully behind.

[catfish1957]

BULLSHIT.

Just heard Jones' speech.  Does this guy have an IQ over 10?

[Right_in_Virginia]

That is my position as well.   Our guy got backstabbed by people all to eager to believe the guy they didn't like anyways, was a creep.   

Jeff Flake wrote a check to Doug Jones.   That's the kind of treasonous scum we have in our party.

There was a lot of backstabbing of Moore.  But Moore had nothing to run on other than the Ten Commandments and our need to return to God.

Which is probably why he chose to watch the Army-Navy game on Saturday instead of campaigning.

Moore is now a three time loser in a statewide election in Alabama.  Let's hope three times is the limit.

[Jazzhead]

BULLSHIT.

Truth.  Sorry.

[DiogenesLamp]

That's correct.  Moore wasn't worth fighting for.

This wasn't about our people sitting this one out,  this was about our people joining the Democrats in spreading the lies about him.  This is about the power of the New York/Washington establishment media to make up sh*t and get stupid people to accept it at face value. 


Once again,  the people were conned by those who control the airwaves. 

[Cyber Liberty]

They are going to do this to every candidate from now on, troll up every word that they said, even if bald faced lies, out of context, or said 40 years ago. Moore has nothing to do with it.

They have their formula now.

It's not a new formula.

[Right_in_Virginia]

    Your Trump Love is showing again @Right_in_Virginia

Bite me @corbe

[Bigun]

Not one F***ing candidate could have survived that attack.  It didn't matter if it was Mo Brooks or Luther Strange,  that attack would have destroyed them too.

There would have been no attack if those dumbassed gap tooted hicks had just done want they were told and picked Luther Strange establishment stamp of approval and all!

[Variant]

So, what will a Senator Jones be like?  He's gotta stand for election again shortly and he IS from a red state where it took an extremely fortuitous set of circumstances (nutty candidate with late-game smears, true or not) to pull off even a razor thin victory.

Seems likely he might stand with the (R)'s on a thing or two if he wants to prolong his political career?

[dfwgator]

We still have 51 plus Pence.  I don’t blame people for not voting for Moore.  I would have had a hard time voting for him if I lived in Alabama

You don't go to war with the Army you want...You go to war with the Army you have....and like it or not, Moore was the Army we had.   Trump understood that, even though I'm sure he didn't want to have to be put into the position of supporting Moore, but he was a good soldier.

Something Bitch McConnell never will understand.

[dfwgator]

So, what will a Senator Jones be like?  He's gotta stand for election again shortly and he IS from a red state where it took an extremely fortuitous set of circumstances (nutty candidate with late-game smears, true or not) to pull off even a razor thin victory.

Seems likely he might stand with the (R)'s on a thing or two if he wants to prolong his political career?

He's going to represent Hollywood, not Alabama.

[RetBobbyMI]

NY Times. The state site is woefully behind.

Only county left not reporting on SOS site is Madison (Huntsville)

[edpc]

BULLSHIT.

I think you meant horseshit.

[Mom MD]

Should have picked our own damned cotton.

Wow   Take that back to TOS where it came from

[DiogenesLamp]

The reality is that turnout was excellent across the state. I'm not sure who stayed home.

What got Jones over the line was the black vote, which has nothing to do with Moore, other than the smear ads by Jones calling him a racist.

I saw something a week ago or so about them registering black voters in Mississippi to vote in the Alabama election.   


I would contest this election were I Moore.   I think when the fraud is weeded out,  he probably won.    He needs to pull the same sort of legal challenge Franken did in Minnesota. 

[240B]

What a circus a recount would be

I'm fairly certain there will be a recount. No matter who winds up winning.

[Hoodat]

They are going to do this to every candidate from now on, troll up every word that they said, even if bald faced lies, out of context, or said 40 years ago. Moore has nothing to do with it.

They have their formula now.

Hopefully, the Republicans will have other candidates who are willing to fight back.  Perhaps Moore should have asked, WWDTD?