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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #400 on: December 13, 2017, 12:13:12 am »

I wouldn't either.   It's one of the reasons I liked Moore.   He always fight back.  Always.

Looking forward to his 'purple suit' speech from the steps of the local high school.
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« Reply #401 on: December 13, 2017, 12:17:30 am »
Nope.  Which means all the caterwauling about his being a child molester was just a bunch of bullshit, and the people on our side who kept repeating it just played into the enemies' hands.


That is exactly what I have been thinking,  and we keep doing it.   We've done this same sort of crap with countless candidates.   Remember George Allen in Virginia?  Or Trent Lott?   Or Tom DeLay? 
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« Reply #402 on: December 13, 2017, 12:19:18 am »
The worst Republican is still better than any Democrat.


In this case I would regard it as a no-brainer,  because this guy would have opposed the Washington establishment.   


Some of our guys who are part of it are Democrats in Republican clothing and they need to go.   


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #403 on: December 13, 2017, 12:22:01 am »
The worst Republican is still better than any Democrat.


Except when it's Romney - then most are giddy he lost.   :shrug:
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #404 on: December 13, 2017, 12:23:22 am »

Except when it's Romney - then most are giddy he lost.   :shrug:

Heck I still even voted for McCain and Romney. Didn't like it.  But I did my duty.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #405 on: December 13, 2017, 12:24:03 am »
Looking forward to his 'purple suit' speech from the steps of the local high school.



I do not understand your seeming need to inject a sort of mean spirited levity into most of your commentary.   


It is the repetition of such accusations that has caused so much damage to this attempt to steer the nation in a better direction.   

You should watch the movie "Ridicule."   
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #406 on: December 13, 2017, 12:25:47 am »

Except when it's Romney - then most are giddy he lost.   :shrug:


I voted for Romney and I would have preferred him over Obama.   My consolation for supporting someone I considered to be a Liberal Republican was the belief that he could improve things fiscally.   

But I would have much preferred someone else.   
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #407 on: December 13, 2017, 12:26:24 am »
Not voting for a candidate is not the same as supporting the other candidate.  Sometimes the end does not justify the means.  Everyone reaches a point eventually where the lesser of two evils is still
Evil

Yeah, well just comfort yourself with that thought when a Democrat-controlled Senate shitcans Trump's next SCOTUS pick.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #408 on: December 13, 2017, 12:27:21 am »

And to think there was a time when races for seats on Capitol Hill pitted men like James Madison against
men like James Monroe.

Right. The sunny old days when men of class and distinction almost beat to death a Senate college in the well of their hallowed halls.



You ever bother to crack a history book open or you just like blowing Pollyanna sunshine up peoples asses?

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #409 on: December 13, 2017, 12:27:35 am »
Heck I still even voted for McCain and Romney. Didn't like it.  But I did my duty.


This is what grown-ups do. 


They don't whine about the choices they would have preferred,   they take the choices which have been thrust upon them,  and they do their duty. 


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #410 on: December 13, 2017, 12:27:58 am »

That is exactly what I have been thinking,  and we keep doing it.   We've done this same sort of crap with countless candidates.   Remember George Allen in Virginia?  Or Trent Lott?   Or Tom DeLay?

It's like people keep forgetting after it happens again and again. The Dems have taken it to a whole new level this time. They smell blood in the water now.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #411 on: December 13, 2017, 12:29:11 am »

I voted for Romney and I would have preferred him over Obama.   My consolation for supporting someone I considered to be a Liberal Republican was the belief that he could improve things fiscally.   

But I would have much preferred someone else.   

    Ivanka will run in 2024 and you will vote for her, perhaps, cause she's better than Cory Booker?
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #412 on: December 13, 2017, 12:30:44 am »
Right. The sunny old days when men of class and distinction almost beat to death a Senate college in the well of their hallowed halls.



I read what Charles Sumner said about him.   Charles Sumner deserved that beating.   Maybe not quite as hard as he received,   but he certainly earned a good beat down.   


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #413 on: December 13, 2017, 12:31:36 am »
I do not understand your seeming need to inject a sort of mean spirited levity into most of your commentary.

Moore makes it kind of easy.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #414 on: December 13, 2017, 12:32:35 am »
Look at all of those Senators that pulled their support from Moore and now, the next election for that seat I gather will be November of 2020.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #415 on: December 13, 2017, 12:33:40 am »
You ever bother to crack a history book open or you just like blowing Pollyanna sunshine up peoples asses?
My most recently-read history book: Founding Rivals: Madison vs. Monroe, The Bill of Rights, and The Election that Saved a Nation

What'll they write about the Alabama Senate election, I wonder. Moore vs. Jones: The Election that Sickened a Nation?


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #416 on: December 13, 2017, 12:33:51 am »
Moore makes it kind of easy.

Well, enjoy Senator Jones.   I'm sure he'll be a barrel-full of laughs.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #417 on: December 13, 2017, 12:33:54 am »
    Ivanka will run in 2024 and you will vote for her, perhaps, cause she's better than Cory Booker?


If that is the choice presented to me between now and 2024,  what I will do will depend a lot upon what these two do in the meantime.   

I very much doubt Ivanka Trump will be on the ballot in 2024,  and I'm pretty sure Cory Booker won't either. 

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #418 on: December 13, 2017, 12:34:44 am »
And I suppose if you had been accused of near rape and underage molestation 40 years ago,  you would have had the perfect comeback?

Perfect comeback?  No.  But I definitely would have made myself accessible to the voters and the press instead of hiding myself for months after botching a Sean Hannity interview.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #419 on: December 13, 2017, 12:35:38 am »
Moore makes it kind of easy.


I'm getting the impression you didn't like him before the accusations,  and I am utterly shocked,  shocked I tell you!  That someone who didn't like him anyways,  is more prone to mocking him.   


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #420 on: December 13, 2017, 12:35:58 am »

I read what Charles Sumner said about him.   Charles Sumner deserved that beating.   Maybe not quite as hard as he received,   but he certainly earned a good beat down.

I hear ya brother. Talking poorly about folks partaking in a lynching is a bit too much for the civilized Senate. They should have killed the son of a bitch......right?

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #421 on: December 13, 2017, 12:36:24 am »
Moore not conceding yet.

Nor will he.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #422 on: December 13, 2017, 12:38:17 am »
I wouldn't either.   It's one of the reasons I liked Moore.   He always fight back.  Always.

I believe you are confusing 'stubbornness' with 'fighting back'.  Definitely would like to have seen a fighter in this race.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #423 on: December 13, 2017, 12:40:06 am »
About 3 campaign appearances in the last 2 weeks, whatever it was by Moore, not many.

And people ragged about McConnell, but as said, a number of Senators bailed on him.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #424 on: December 13, 2017, 12:41:17 am »
What'll they write about the Alabama Senate election, I wonder. Moore vs. Jones: The Election that Sickened a Nation?

The same thing they wrote about the contest between Roscoe Conkling and Charles Wheaton in the 1872 NY Senate battle......not a damn thing because no one will care. Barely anyone other than the MSM and DC pimps cared about this election to begin with.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #425 on: December 13, 2017, 12:41:59 am »
Well, enjoy Senator Jones.   I'm sure he'll be a barrel-full of laughs.

I'll the beat down he receives in 2020 after a well vetted and funded candidate emerges between now and then.  Jones had two advantages - lower turnout and a cartoonish opponent.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #426 on: December 13, 2017, 12:43:21 am »
Perfect comeback?  No.  But I definitely would have made myself accessible to the voters and the press instead of hiding myself for months after botching a Sean Hannity interview.


I think the problem Moore faced when he went into that interview is that people had already characterized the dating of teenage women to be the equivalent of molesting a 14 year old.   I heard it in the opinions being expressed at the time.

The claims that he dated teenagers was lumped together with this accusation he molested a 14 year old girl.  People were making it sound as if you admitted to the one,  you were admitting to all of it.   

The problem was,  Moore did date teenage girls when he was in his thirties,  but in the media circus with which he was confronted,  it would have hurt him to say so.   

He just didn't think it through.   Yes,  it would have hurt him to admit to dating teenagers when he was in his thirties,  but he could have said,  "Yes,  I absolutely dated teenagers back then,  but I did not molest this one who is accusing me."   

Moore got a raw deal by the way the debate was framed when he went into that interview with Hannity.    He shouldn't have evaded or talked sideways,  he should have owned up to this unpopular activity,  and vehemently denied the rest.   


But who has such presence of mind?  Had I been accused of molesting someone,  I would have probably been shell shocked and unable to say anything sensible.   

It's easy to condemn when we don't have to go through such upheavals ourselves.   
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #427 on: December 13, 2017, 12:45:16 am »
I'll the beat down he receives in 2020 after a well vetted and funded candidate emerges between now and then.  Jones had two advantages - lower turnout and a cartoonish opponent.

Ooooh so maybe then then the Rats will only have 60 Senators.

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« Reply #428 on: December 13, 2017, 12:46:17 am »
     @DiogenesLamp I truly respect your opinion on most all things here, but even you must admit this 'lessor of two evils' $hit is way out of hand.
   It's way past time to consider a 'robust' third party option, if the opportunity arises in 2020.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #429 on: December 13, 2017, 12:46:38 am »
The same thing they wrote about the contest between Roscoe Conkling and Charles Wheaton in the 1872 NY Senate battle......not a damn thing because no one will care.
Unless you figure that Conkling was the last known individual to reject a nomination to the Supreme
Court---Ulysses Grant wanted Conkling to become Chief Justice, after Conkling defeated Wheaton and won
re-election to the Senate (it was Conkling's first re-election try), but Conkling turned him down, having
just been sworn back into the Senate and preferring to stay there.

Or, that---what do you know---Conkling himself was accused of philandering, with the wife of fellow Senator
and former Rhode Island governor William Sprague IV; Sprague was said to have confronted Conkling with
a shotgun over it.
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« Reply #430 on: December 13, 2017, 12:49:56 am »
I'm getting the impression you didn't like him before the accusations,  and I am utterly shocked,  shocked I tell you!  That someone who didn't like him anyways,  is more prone to mocking him.


Actually, I had barely heard of him.  I recalled the Ten Commandments ordeal, but never really gave it much thought.  After he beat Strange in the primary, I figured he must really be something, because Strange had never presented himself as an opponent of Trump's agenda through his votes.

Turned out to be something, alright.
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« Reply #431 on: December 13, 2017, 12:52:24 am »
Ooooh so maybe then then the Rats will only have 60 Senators.

Then, 'ooooh,' that would be the case with or without Moore.  If they lose 11 Senate seats between now and 2020, it's not going to be over Roy.
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« Reply #432 on: December 13, 2017, 12:57:28 am »
I hear ya brother. Talking poorly about folks partaking in a lynching is a bit too much for the civilized Senate. They should have killed the son of a bitch......right?


You glossed right over that part where Sumner accused Butler of having sex with a mistress.  Specifically a black mistress.     


Even Stephen Douglas said "that D@mned fool is going to get himself killed" when Sumner was making that speech,  which incidentally went on for two days,   and during which he mocked Butler's chivalry and family among the other things he said. 


But yeah,  you go ahead and try to make it sound like Sumner was doing something virtuous when he was smearing that old man as a reprobate. 


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #433 on: December 13, 2017, 01:01:01 am »
     @DiogenesLamp I truly respect your opinion on most all things here, but even you must admit this 'lessor of two evils' $hit is way out of hand.
   It's way past time to consider a 'robust' third party option, if the opportunity arises in 2020.


Would love a third party.   Wasn't the Tea Party supposed to turn into one?   What happened to it?  Was it not the Washington Establishment and big money donors who like things as they are, the ones who took a hand in wrecking it?   
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #434 on: December 13, 2017, 01:06:21 am »

Would love a third party.   Wasn't the Tea Party supposed to turn into one?   What happened to it?  Was it not the Washington Establishment and big money donors who like things as they are, the ones who took a hand in wrecking it?

A third party gets us a Democratic Party Dictatorship.  And believe me, they will setup a Dictatorship if they get the chance to.

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« Reply #435 on: December 13, 2017, 01:07:06 am »

Actually, I had barely heard of him.  I recalled the Ten Commandments ordeal, but never really gave it much thought.  After he beat Strange in the primary, I figured he must really be something, because Strange had never presented himself as an opponent of Trump's agenda through his votes.

Turned out to be something, alright.


I heard quite a lot about Luther Strange from a lot of people who claimed to be from Alabama. 


People think Strange would have been the better candidate,   so let me tell you what would have came out about Strange.   


He would have been accused of colluding with the Governor of Alabama to shut down an investigation into illegal activities involving the Governor.   It was widely believed that he was appointed by the Governor to the open Senate seat as a quid pro quo to get him to stop the investigation. 


Strange would have been accused of corruption,  six ways to Sunday.   At least that is the story I got from several people who claim to know Alabama politics.   


The media would have amplified this story and all the Usual suspects of Republicans would have ran away from him,  and wrote checks to Doug Jones.


https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-02-09/luther-strange-senate-appointment-dismays-some-alabama-republicans
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #436 on: December 13, 2017, 01:09:15 am »
Then, 'ooooh,' that would be the case with or without Moore.  If they lose 11 Senate seats between now and 2020, it's not going to be over Roy.


It just might be.   So far as i'm concerned,  they are a bunch of backstabbing cowards,   and perhaps enough of the electorate feels the same way as I do,  sufficient that it can swing an election. 


Elections are often won on thin margins in the middle.   A small swing can sometimes totally change the outcome.   
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« Reply #437 on: December 13, 2017, 01:10:22 am »
A third party gets us a Democratic Party Dictatorship.  And believe me, they will setup a Dictatorship if they get the chance to.


They came D@mn close to it with Obama.   
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #438 on: December 13, 2017, 01:18:49 am »

They came D@mn close to it with Obama.

And the Demographics are only getting more in their favor with each passing day.

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« Reply #439 on: December 13, 2017, 01:19:58 am »


But yeah,  you go ahead and try to make it sound like Sumner was doing something virtuous when he was smearing that old man as a reprobate.

LOL. He was a reprobate. He fully supported slavery and argued that if Kansas was let into the union as a free state, peoples property values would decline. The property he spoke of was people. He also had an issue with whites having sex with animals. The animals he was speaking of were, yup, you guessed it....people.

Brooks should have had a lit pipe bomb shoved up his ass by a few Mandingo looking fellows and paraded around the streets of DC until his candle went off. 

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« Reply #440 on: December 13, 2017, 01:23:18 am »
Unless you figure that Conkling was the last known individual to reject a nomination to the Supreme
Court---Ulysses Grant wanted Conkling to become Chief Justice, after Conkling defeated Wheaton and won
re-election to the Senate (it was Conkling's first re-election try), but Conkling turned him down, having
just been sworn back into the Senate and preferring to stay there.

Or, that---what do you know---Conkling himself was accused of philandering, with the wife of fellow Senator
and former Rhode Island governor William Sprague IV; Sprague was said to have confronted Conkling with
a shotgun over it.

LOL. Yeah. That's a hot button topic of discussion........nowhere.

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« Reply #441 on: December 13, 2017, 01:31:14 am »
LOL. He was a reprobate. He fully supported slavery and argued that if Kansas was let into the union as a free state, peoples property values would decline. The property he spoke of was people. He also had an issue with whites having sex with animals. The animals he was speaking of were, yup, you guessed it....people.


Here we go again with forcing everything to be looked at through the modern view of slavery instead of the zeitgeist that existed at the time.   

You may have missed it,   but Slavery was a normal part of the USA back in those days,  as it had been for four score and seven years,  and it would have continued in the Union indefinitely had the South remained in the Union.   (Well,  at least until 1896.) 


People can have a disagreement on some issue of public policy without being derogatory to a specific individual who holds an opposite opinion.   It was the nasty insults and mockery leveled at Butler for which Sumner was beaten. 

You are being disingenuous when you are attempt to paint this as a larger issue than deliberately insulting someone in a manner that was considered "fighting words"  at the time. 






Brooks should have had a lit pipe bomb shoved up his ass by a few Mandingo looking fellows and paraded around the streets of DC until his candle went off.


Well that didn't happen,   but Sumner did get a very deserved beating, though I think Brooks went too far.   

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #442 on: December 13, 2017, 01:49:56 am »
Nope.  Which means all the caterwauling about his being a child molester was just a bunch of bullshit, and the people on our side who kept repeating it just played into the enemies' hands.
They didn't play into the enemy's hands, they joined them. >SPIT!<
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #443 on: December 13, 2017, 01:55:34 am »

I think the problem Moore faced when he went into that interview is that people had already characterized the dating of teenage women to be the equivalent of molesting a 14 year old.   I heard it in the opinions being expressed at the time.

The claims that he dated teenagers was lumped together with this accusation he molested a 14 year old girl.  People were making it sound as if you admitted to the one,  you were admitting to all of it.   

The problem was,  Moore did date teenage girls when he was in his thirties,  but in the media circus with which he was confronted,  it would have hurt him to say so.   

He just didn't think it through.   Yes,  it would have hurt him to admit to dating teenagers when he was in his thirties,  but he could have said,  "Yes,  I absolutely dated teenagers back then,  but I did not molest this one who is accusing me."   

Moore got a raw deal by the way the debate was framed when he went into that interview with Hannity.    He shouldn't have evaded or talked sideways,  he should have owned up to this unpopular activity,  and vehemently denied the rest.   


But who has such presence of mind?  Had I been accused of molesting someone,  I would have probably been shell shocked and unable to say anything sensible.   

It's easy to condemn when we don't have to go through such upheavals ourselves.
Hannity went on the attack, and I don't think Moore expected such hostility. Hillary never got nailed like Hannity went after Moore, not in any interview. Hannity is a GOPe tool.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #444 on: December 13, 2017, 01:57:39 am »
About 3 campaign appearances in the last 2 weeks, whatever it was by Moore, not many.

And people ragged about McConnell, but as said, a number of Senators bailed on him.
Mitch led the charge almost as soon as the allegations surfaced--which tells me he was happy to. He wanted Strange, and thought somehow attacking Moore would give him that.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #445 on: December 13, 2017, 02:34:02 am »
GOP better brace for losing Congress in 2018 I think. This isn't good.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #446 on: December 13, 2017, 02:41:50 am »
GOP better brace for losing Congress in 2018 I think. This isn't good.

Mitch and Ryan will be happy.  All the perks....None of the responsibility.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #447 on: December 13, 2017, 02:43:39 am »
Mitch and Ryan will be happy.  All the perks....None of the responsibility.

There's a lot of blame to go around, frankly. Don't pin it all on the GOPe boogeyman.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #448 on: December 13, 2017, 03:31:29 am »
Moore makes it kind of easy.

@edpc , you and the rest of the RINOs here joined democrats openly trashing Roy. While congress and democrats outspent something in the neighborhood of 12 to 1 against him.  Posters here spreading baseless horrible rumors against him for how many months now with no proof whatsoever? Truth, who needs that? I get the feeling the site manager here got pinged to post article after article that did nothing but spread the lies after someone got tired of doing it. There was few in Roy's corner except oddly enough Breitbart (who turned on Cruz) and a few outlier online news sites and the dyehard of us in Alabama. Trump hid from supporting Moore because his wee feelings got hurt over Strange's loss. Even Cruz disappointed. The Senate leadership never did help, they certainly didn't want Moore's views contrary to their own.

Mo Brooks I was actually proud of... (he was the one I said I could of voted for if Moore lost). There was so much that could of been pointed out in Moore's defense that just got laughed at here at TBR. I would try to point out things like how the black lady police officer's FB page showed she was radical. No response from most here or a flimpant remark discarding what I said and carefully researched. Nobody cared, Roy was just a Christian nut. Make a few more jokes at his expense.

What it shows me is that if the GOP has such disdain for Christian voters it hurts. There is no need for me to vote R anymore. Why vote, they are 99% of the time just going to mock us. I am actually glad I didn't vote for McCain or Romney. They were two of the chief mockers of Moore. Get spit at enough, you learn to stop empowering the phlegm flingers.

Let the GOP go on without me, they no longer care for my vote. They and you will get the world you so deserve, but it will not be one worth envisioning.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
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