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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #350 on: December 12, 2017, 11:43:29 pm »
Moore should challenge, but don't think it will change the outcome

It may be automatic, depending on state law and the final margin percentage, anyway.

Looks like the final margin was 20,715 votes and there were 22,819 write-ins.

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama-senate-special-election-roy-moore-doug-jones#eln-forecast-section
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #351 on: December 12, 2017, 11:43:59 pm »
Final tally:

Doug Jones    Democrat    671,151    49.9%    
Roy Moore    Republican    650,436    48.4    
Total Write-Ins    â€”    22,819    1.7    

100% reporting (2,220 of 2,220 precincts)

I understand the winner of the write in campaign was none other than Harold Stassen.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #352 on: December 12, 2017, 11:44:03 pm »
Final tally:

Doug Jones    Democrat    671,151    49.9%    
Roy Moore    Republican    650,436    48.4    
Total Write-Ins    â€”    22,819    1.7    

100% reporting (2,220 of 2,220 precincts)

Anyone know how the write-in count compares to previous US Senate elections in the state?

Also, I believe the margin is close enough to trigger an automatic recount?  Though 21K votes seems too large a margin to overcome.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #353 on: December 12, 2017, 11:44:16 pm »
Yes, analysis after the 2000 election showed Bush would have, in fact, gained votes in the recounts.

Moore should challenge, but don't think it will change the outcome.

Bush did in fact win but with every recount the dems got closer.  I have no doubt had the process been allowed to continue they would have found a way to manufacture what they needed to win.  Sure recount this if you want but unless the republicans grow a spine and are willing to call fraud where it exists, it will go nowhere.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #354 on: December 12, 2017, 11:44:25 pm »
Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.


Any candidate which does not have the blessing of the "establishment"  gets the media sicced on them.   It is the media attack which turns them into bad candidates. 


Sometimes it is the Republican party attack that turns them into "bad"  candidates.

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« Reply #355 on: December 12, 2017, 11:44:58 pm »
The thing about the 2000 recount analysis is it was flawed.  If the recounts would have continued, the Democrats would have had the chance to manufacture more Gore votes, or throw out more Bush votes.  That was not taken into account by the press that did the final recount to which you refer.

*shrug* either way, the outcome was the correct/just one.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #356 on: December 12, 2017, 11:46:03 pm »
                                WTF!



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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #357 on: December 12, 2017, 11:46:03 pm »
The thing about the 2000 recount analysis is it was flawed.  If the recounts would have continued, the Democrats would have had the chance to manufacture more Gore votes, or throw out more Bush votes.  That was not taken into account by the press that did the final recount to which you refer.

Remember the last senatorial recount brew-haha?  Happened to be a MN senator who was supposed to already resign for sh__ more heinous than Moore's escapades.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #358 on: December 12, 2017, 11:46:12 pm »
I’m not sure where it could go.  The statute of limitations is long past for any legal action.  The only court this could be tried in is that of public opinion.   Moore could sue for slander but it would be very expensive, very hard to prove, and would open him up to discovery.  I bet after some huffing and puffing he drops it.

My understanding is there is no statute of limitations in AL for sex with a minor under 16, and the offender is over 18.  This could very much be a live legal issue, and it will be telling if it's allowed to drop.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #359 on: December 12, 2017, 11:46:43 pm »
It may be automatic, depending on state law and the final margin percentage, anyway.

Looks like the final margin was 20,715 votes and there were 22,819 write-ins. 

Wow.  Talk about the party of stupid.   **nononono*

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #360 on: December 12, 2017, 11:47:04 pm »

We were led to believe the voters in Alabama would not fall for those establishment and media shenanigans.


Rah Rah cheerleading spin.   The accusations had a serious effect,  but no one was going to express anything but confidence going into this thing.   Looking dejected would have cost further losses of votes.   
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #361 on: December 12, 2017, 11:48:36 pm »
Sorry.  I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.

We agree on almost everything else, so I hope that's OK with you.

The media smear didn't lose it for Moore.   He did.  NO Republican candidate should have lost this seat.
We're going to disagree. The media smear had the NRSC pull support from Moore. That means money that should have been available to the candidate was not forthcoming.  At that point, Moore wasn't a candidate to the GOPe. They got what they want. Absolution from blame and pulled defeat from the jaws of victory. Now they have an excuse to not accomplish anything, and for the Trump fans out there, he will be hobbled by the Congress, and they will be perfectly fine with that, as a rule. The Uniparty has been preserved, and the lagoon is deeper than ever in the swamp at Foggy Bottoms.

I do not believe the accusers: they have no credibility with me--not after 40 years. Not after the allegations of illegal behaviour were shown to be deeply flawed from details that did not match historical information to altering an autograph, the 'case' was crap. Only the endless and inflammatory repetition by the media kept that narrative alive, long after it should have been soundly discredited by anything "Fair" or "balanced".

All the breaking stories of long-entrenched and continuous sexual misconduct on the part of liberals and Hollywood types just set the stage and whetted the crowd's appetite for a hanging. No serious repercussions will result for any of them, only Moore. You watch.

So, cui bono?  Al Franken won't resign (Suckers!), and John Conyers will pass the torch to the next Democrat in his district, likely a relative. And the GOP will take a hit. Conservatives will be further marginalized, which is just fine with all in Congress.

The Republican Party loses. After McConnell's abandonment of Moore--and his obvious haste to do so, with the attitude that better to lose the seat than to have the candidate the voters of Alabama picked, the GOP may continue to lose ground. After all they have demonstrated the only way they will have a Conservative's back is to stick the knife in.  The write-in vote could have made a difference.
Christianity has been smeared as hard as Roy Moore, so Christians lose--and may not see another candidate for either party in our lifetimes (not that a Christian Democrat is a likely phenomenon).

And the Media and the Dems have the sure fire method of taking out anyone with no more proof than I have that the Moon is made of green cheese.

But yes, behind every pejorative phrase and distortion of historical context, there is a media maven, likely groping or being groped, if they aren't just 'hooking up', and too many people let them do their thinking for them. The rabid campaign by the media gets some of the credit, and the rest goes to people who believed them.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #362 on: December 12, 2017, 11:48:43 pm »
Jones just picked up a challenger for the next election coming up.....


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #363 on: December 12, 2017, 11:49:09 pm »
*shrug* either way, the outcome was the correct/just one.

Yes, but it took an act of the SCOTUS to make it so.  Left alone for as long as the Dems wanted, history would be much different.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #364 on: December 12, 2017, 11:49:09 pm »
Does that mean you are going away now so everyone can enjoy their night poll boy?

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #365 on: December 12, 2017, 11:49:17 pm »
Were they though? They said or did one wrong thing and were crucified, even if taken out of context, blown out of proportion, or outright lies. They had equal or far more nuttybar opponents who said or did equally stupid things that got a yawn.


I do not know why other people cannot see what I see clearly.   The "media"  is a weapon they use against our people whenever they need to manipulate an election.   

I keep telling people we need to destroy the Liberal monopoly of the airwaves,  and until we do,  easy wins will turn into loses.   


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #366 on: December 12, 2017, 11:49:20 pm »
The ones who need to be fired are the ones in the GOP who aren't vetting senate candidates.
Fixed. ;)


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #367 on: December 12, 2017, 11:49:50 pm »
My understanding is there is no statute of limitations in AL for sex with a minor under 16, and the offender is over 18.  This could very much be a live legal issue, and it will be telling if it's allowed to drop.

You have more knowledge of the legal code in Alabama than I do.  Will see what happens but i doubt either side takes legal action. Proving or disproving a 40 year old case is nigh on impossible.  And even if the allegations are true the women who brought them were opportunists for waiting this long then successfully trying to throw an election.  Neither side looks very good on this one
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #368 on: December 12, 2017, 11:50:41 pm »
                                WTF!





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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #369 on: December 12, 2017, 11:50:55 pm »
And find even more during recounts


I think that is less likely to happen in Alabama than it is in Minnesota.   
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #370 on: December 12, 2017, 11:52:13 pm »
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Keep posting shit like that and you will never get elected to Senate, even in Alabama.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #371 on: December 12, 2017, 11:52:29 pm »
Remember the last senatorial recount brew-haha?  Happened to be a MN senator who was supposed to already resign for sh__ more heinous than Moore's escapades.
He isn't going anywhere. No resignation will be forthcoming. Anyone who thought so is a sucker. It was all part of the show, warming up the witch hunt. Just the opening act to prime the crowd for the main event. The whole sh*tstorm will settle down now, (except perhaps the Trump stuff), because the show is over, and when the dust settles, none of the 'outed' will suffer a second longer than they want to.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #372 on: December 12, 2017, 11:53:48 pm »
My understanding is there is no statute of limitations in AL for sex with a minor under 16, and the offender is over 18.  This could very much be a live legal issue, and it will be telling if it's allowed to drop.

Let's see if Moore and his phone book attorney sue.  I kind of doubt it.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #373 on: December 12, 2017, 11:54:04 pm »
                                WTF!





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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #374 on: December 12, 2017, 11:54:54 pm »

I do not know why other people cannot see what I see clearly.   The "media"  is a weapon they use against our people whenever they need to manipulate an election.   

I keep telling people we need to destroy the Liberal monopoly of the airwaves,  and until we do,  easy wins will turn into loses.   


Had the media treated Obama like a Republican,  he would have been toast.

With things shifting more and more to the internet, I think the conservative media has as great opportunity to do that. But they are still to scattered and disorganized to pull it off.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #375 on: December 12, 2017, 11:56:21 pm »
Let's see if Moore and his phone book attorney sue.  I kind of doubt it.

Well, no, that would be silly...prosecuting himself.  I'm referring to a Prosecutor who should be looking at Moore for statutory rape, if we are to believe the brickbats thrown at Moore in this election.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #377 on: December 12, 2017, 11:57:13 pm »
Well, no, that would be silly...prosecuting himself.  I'm referring to a Prosecutor who should be looking at Moore for statutory rape, if we are to believe the brickbats thrown at Moore in this election.
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Not on the basis of that "evidence".
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #378 on: December 12, 2017, 11:57:19 pm »
Is Moore going to concede, or is he waiting to be raptured up first?

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« Reply #379 on: December 12, 2017, 11:57:30 pm »
Well, no, that would be silly...prosecuting himself.  I'm referring to a Prosecutor who should be looking at Moore for statutory rape, if we are to believe the brickbats thrown at Moore in this election.

... might have meant bringing some civil / libel action against his accusers?

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #380 on: December 12, 2017, 11:57:40 pm »
Not voting for a candidate is not the same as supporting the other candidate.



I completely disagree.   Elections are binary choices.  You will get one,  or you will get the other.  If you have a stake in the outcome,  you need to choose.



Sometimes the end does not justify the means. 


The "means"  is voting.   The "end"  is whatever side you have a stake in.   



Everyone reaches a point eventually where the lesser of two evils is still
Evil


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #382 on: December 12, 2017, 11:57:46 pm »
Is Moore going to concede, or is he waiting to be raptured up first?
What's the rush? If he concedes and then finds out there was an error counting votes, the concession stands anyway. Give them time to check the results over.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #383 on: December 12, 2017, 11:58:00 pm »
    I can't go away @Frank Cannon I'm gonna take my teeth out and bite @Right_in_Virginia (she is a woman, right?)

I'm imagining something like this happening.


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #384 on: December 12, 2017, 11:58:08 pm »
Well, no, that would be silly...prosecuting himself.  I'm referring to a Prosecutor who should be looking at Moore for statutory rape, if we are to believe the brickbats thrown at Moore in this election.

Oh, I know you meant that. I was referring to the fact they were claiming defamation.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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« Reply #385 on: December 12, 2017, 11:58:44 pm »
Note: I would have pulled the lever for Moore if I were a resident, but not in the primaries.


This part I can at least comprehend.   
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #387 on: December 12, 2017, 11:59:40 pm »
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333

Moore not conceding yet.

Awesome!!!!!! We can have a couple weeks more of Roy Moore posts here at TBR!!!!! I can't effing wait!!!!!


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #388 on: December 12, 2017, 11:59:43 pm »


I completely disagree.   Elections are binary choices.  You will get one,  or you will get the other.  If you have a stake in the outcome,  you need to choose.




The "means"  is voting.   The "end"  is whatever side you have a stake in.   




The fire is not an improvement over the frying pan.   Unless it is a strategy calculated to bring on a collapse,  only a fool would chose to make things even worse.

We agree to disagree  not voting for one bad choice does not mean you support the other.  Sometimes neither side is worthy of support.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #389 on: December 13, 2017, 12:00:26 am »
Is Moore going to concede, or is he waiting to be raptured up first?

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #390 on: December 13, 2017, 12:01:39 am »
*****rollingeyes*****

Not on the basis of that "evidence".

Nope.  Which means all the caterwauling about his being a child molester was just a bunch of bullshit, and the people on our side who kept repeating it just played into the enemies' hands.
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« Reply #391 on: December 13, 2017, 12:02:17 am »

This part I can at least comprehend.

The worst Republican is still better than any Democrat.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #392 on: December 13, 2017, 12:02:31 am »
Wow.  Talk about the party of stupid.   **nononono*


And now who threw the election?   


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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #393 on: December 13, 2017, 12:02:34 am »
Keep posting shit like that and you will never get elected to Senate, even in Alabama.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #394 on: December 13, 2017, 12:03:02 am »
Keep posting shit like that and you will never get elected to Senate, even in Alabama.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #395 on: December 13, 2017, 12:03:06 am »
The worst Republican is still better than any Democrat.

100% agree on that.

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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #396 on: December 13, 2017, 12:03:57 am »
Oh, I know you meant that. I was referring to the fact they were claiming defamation.

That would be silly too.  A complete and utter wast of time and money.  I'd spend some time laughing at that, too.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #397 on: December 13, 2017, 12:06:02 am »
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333

Moore not conceding yet.


I wouldn't either.   It's one of the reasons I liked Moore.   He always fight back.  Always.   
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #398 on: December 13, 2017, 12:07:40 am »
[N]ot voting for one bad choice does not mean you support the other.  Sometimes neither side is worthy of support.
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Re: Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election
« Reply #399 on: December 13, 2017, 12:11:38 am »
We agree to disagree  not voting for one bad choice does not mean you support the other.  Sometimes neither side is worthy of support.


But reality dictates you are going to get one of them.   

The notion that they are on the razor thin edge of equal is nonsensical to me.   


It reminds me of what one of my friends told his sister after she informed him that she had found her "soul mate." 


"Five billion people on the planet,  and the one meant for you just happens to live a mile away.  What are the odds of that?  "


Equally bad?  What are the odds of that? 
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