(POLL #2) VOTE! IF TRUMP IS THE NOMINEE WILL YOU VOTE FOR HIM?

[For-Q-Clinton]

He's advocating a wall to finally control our southern border. That's where we start.

Some, like the Dreamers, deserve to be first in line....right behind those doing it legally.

And those that are here illegally are next in line. So they will continue to come in illegally since there is no penalty at all for coming here via illegal channels.  No thanks...only idiots think that works and I'm not idiot.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Keep up the good fight, my FRiend!   I read all of your posts.

I have what I used to consider "close FRiends",   heck, almost 'family'...in the #nevertrump camp.

I am just a poor boy
Though my story's seldom told
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.

Lie la lie...

[DB]

Nope, that's not what I said.

Tell me this Pete, if you were a 70 year old billionaire with a beautiful wife and loving children, would you take time out of your life to run for President?

Funny how you talk about the "beautiful wife" as if she were a prize. You say "loving children" in contrast... Very telling...

And the answer is easy, "President" is the biggest power prize of them all. To win that is to place your name in history on a very short list. The biggest ego stroke of all, much more exclusive than a mere billionaire.

[wolfcreek]

I agree,but Trump ain't nothing but more "Business as usual".

That remains to be seen. Compared to Hillary's agenda, it wouldn't take much.

[wolfcreek]

Santa used to promise a lot of crap,too. Do you still believe in Santa?

The only difference is the Santa of your youth worked for the department stores that were trying to sell your parents a bill  of good,and todays's Santa used other people's money to buy the department store,and he is busying billing the store for everything he does,and planning on looting the store of any money left over before he bails.

Those of issues I want the next POTUS to deal with. No one but Trump has addressed them. The rest want to follow the path we've been on for more than 100 years....toward a Socialist NWO where everything is controlled by a central government.

Britain realized this and so should we.

[wolfcreek]

You mean that someone whose business model is bankruptcy,and who makes their money from claiming bankruptcy after raiding the coffers of the business they are supposed to be running to pay their personal bills is someone you wouldn't support?

Is it possible that you don't know ANYTHING about Trump other than he claims to be a Republican?

It's possible I'm not as knowledgeable and cock-sure as you, Pete.

One thing I am sure of is that Hillary is a proven disaster whose presidency would further send this country down the Progressive highway, essentially destroying any semblance of Right wing leadership for the foreseeable future. That Sir is a given.

[wolfcreek]

Funny how you talk about the "beautiful wife" as if she were a prize. You say "loving children" in contrast... Very telling...

And the answer is easy, "President" is the biggest power prize of them all. To win that is to place your name in history on a very short list. The biggest ego stroke of all, much more exclusive than a mere billionaire.

Hog wash! If I had all those things plus a thriving family business, I wouldn't waste my time trying to save a ship full of morons. [or Hillary's butt]

And your back-handed slam about what I think of women is just some more ridiculous rhetoric from the land of #nevertrump. aka #landofthelost

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Trump is sea biscuit? Wasn't there a list on FR about the ridiculous things Trump has been compared to? I bet sea biscuit isn't one of them.

[Oceander]

Trump is sea biscuit? Wasn't there a list on FR about the ridiculous things Trump has been compared to? I bet sea biscuit isn't one of them.

He's certainly this part of Seabiscuit:

[Idiot]

He's certainly this part of Seabiscuit:

[sneakypete]

It's possible I'm not as knowledgeable and cock-sure as you, Pete.

One thing I am sure of is that Hillary is a proven disaster whose presidency would further send this country down the Progressive highway, essentially destroying any semblance of Right wing leadership for the foreseeable future. That Sir is a given.

It is also a given that two wrongs (fascists,in this case) don't make for a right (president).  We will never remove the corrupt One Party System in place now as long as people who SHOULD know better keep voting for one of the contestants controlled by the One World Government Fascists.

[sneakypete]

Hog wash! If I had all those things plus a thriving family business, I wouldn't waste my time trying to save a ship full of morons. [or Hillary's butt]

Yeah,but YOU are not a narcissistic sociopath with an ego the size of the known universe.

[wolfcreek]

It is also a given that two wrongs (fascists,in this case) don't make for a right (president).  We will never remove the corrupt One Party System in place now as long as people who SHOULD know better keep voting for one of the contestants controlled by the One World Government Fascists.

Which one of those 17 potential GOP candidates fit that bill.

Carson, that chick or Trump. Everyone else belonged to some slimy organization, went to one of 'those' universities or had a spouse who was involved with big banks,  hedge funds, etc.

[wolfcreek]

Yeah,but YOU are not a narcissistic sociopath with an ego the size of the known universe.

How do you know? 

BTW: what you got against Pay Pal?

[sneakypete]

Which one of those 17 potential GOP candidates fit that bill.

Carson, that chick or Trump. Everyone else belonged to some slimy organization, went to one of 'those' universities or had a spouse who was involved with big banks,  hedge funds, etc.

Trump is a definite fit.  It's not only where he lives,it is where he was born.

[sneakypete]

How do you know? 

BTW: what you got against Pay Pal?

Owners are radical globalists that support pretty much everything I despise.

[DCPatriot]

Trump is a definite fit.  It's not only where he lives,it is where he was born.

@sneakypete

You begin with the premise that there's a love of this country someplace in Donald Trump's heart.

And using his "ego-mania", and "narcissistic" vices in your argument, he won't allow himself to fail.

He would LOVE to go down in history as the "Man Who Saved America".

And our whole point is, being that he's the ONLY candidate that can get us there.

[wolfcreek]

Trump is a definite fit.  It's not only where he lives,it is where he was born.

He never wentto the 'right' schools, he was never part of the MIC, he's not in any organizations like Council on Foreign Relations or elite frats.

He would be in the position as POTUS to piss off everyone of those you consider enemies of the free world.

Maybe he already has?

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2016/03/01/the-council-of-foreign-relations-declares-war-on-donald-trump-his-days-are-numbered/

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

You begin with the premise that there's a love of this country someplace in Donald Trump's heart.<<

*I* begin with the premise that he loves no one but himself,and only loves his children because they are extensions of himself. "Mini-Me's" for him to leave behind after the current version dies.


And using his "ego-mania", and "narcissistic" vices in your argument, he won't allow himself to fail.<<

Which is why I have been saying since the day he announced that he would drop out of the race late. The one thing his ego can't stand is to lose big in such a public way that he can't deny losing.

Granted,I also think he had a behind the scenes deal with the DNC/Bubbette! to do this (think Ross Perot,Part-2) and IF he were to be winning late in the election he might decide to feed his ego by screwing Bubbette! and staying in the race,but the chances of this idiot beating even Bubbette! range from slim to none at all. Ergo,he will keep the deal,drop out,get paid off,and spend the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been the President of the United States if I wanted,but decided the job was beneath me so I dropped out."


He would LOVE to go down in history as the "Man Who Saved America".<<

It has also been claimed that people in Hell want ice water.

And our whole point is, being that he's the ONLY candidate that can get us there.<<


He can't and won't get us anywhere,but to another President Clinton.

[sneakypete]

He never wentto the 'right' schools, he was never part of the MIC, he's not in any organizations like Council on Foreign Relations or elite frats.<<

So what? He is life-long "besties" with everyone that did,and being one of them is one of his life-long desires,

[INVAR]

He would LOVE to go down in history as the "Man Who Saved America".

And our whole point is, being that he's the ONLY candidate that can get us there.

That's absolute idolatry and blasphemy against both God and the Constitution.

Not surprising since you people have made it clear you want a king, a prince and dictator, you don't care if it's the Devil himself - making ridiculous claims of delusional grandeur that Trump will be the one to save us, when he was sent to destroy any effective opposition to Hildabeast.

It's 2008 all over again - with a mob of zealots convinced their man is messiah in the flesh.

[MACVSOG68]

That's absolute idolatry and blasphemy against both God and the Constitution.

Not surprising since you people have made it clear you want a king, a prince and dictator, you don't care if it's the Devil himself - making ridiculous claims of delusional grandeur that Trump will be the one to save us, when he was sent to destroy any effective opposition to Hildabeast.

It's 2008 all over again - with a mob of zealots convinced their man is messiah in the flesh.

Idolatry, blasphemy, God, the Devil, the messiah, mob of zealots?  Glad you're helping to keep these political discussions reasonable and rational...

[INVAR]

Idolatry, blasphemy, God, the Devil, the messiah, mob of zealots?  Glad you're helping to keep these political discussions reasonable and rational...

You apparently have been missing out on the dialogue from the Trump Militant in the past week.

I do not find any reasonableness or rationality in a mindset that insists that Trump is going to save the country.   It is idolatry to assume one man is going to save this nation, when we do not have a monarchy and were not founded on that precept so many now ascribe to Trump.

And the Lucifer deal, well - as one of the acolytes for Trump himself stated, he is HIS Lucifer.

So you have that which I referenced.

[DCPatriot]

Dennis Miller:

Don’t kid yourself.

At this point, any vote for anyone that is not Donald Trump is a vote for Hillary Clinton.

Also, both Presidential boxes left blank is a vote for Hillary Clinton because as mindless as Liberals can be even they don’t enter into suicide pacts with that petulant, whiny part of themselves.

As that is your wont, fine…do it!

But don’t bullshit yourself.

You’re electing Hillary Clinton because you want to elect Hillary Clinton.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/dennis-miller-dont-kid-point-vote-anyone-not-trump-vote-hillary/

[Oceander]

Dennis Miller:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/dennis-miller-dont-kid-point-vote-anyone-not-trump-vote-hillary/

Love how that logical fallacy keeps rearing its ugly head.  Just goes to show that Trump supporters have a very weak grasp of basic logic.  I am only responsible for the vote I cast, not for the votes I do not cast.  And if I do not vote for a certain person, that is the fault of that person and that person's supporters, because they failed to persuade me.

It's too bad Trump is such anathema to so many people.  If his supporters had used their brains, instead of giving in to their hatred and fear, we wouldn't be in this place.

[MACVSOG68]

You apparently have been missing out on the dialogue from the Trump Militant in the past week.

I do not find any reasonableness or rationality in a mindset that insists that Trump is going to save the country.   It is idolatry to assume one man is going to save this nation, when we do not have a monarchy and were not founded on that precept so many now ascribe to Trump.

And the Lucifer deal, well - as one of the acolytes for Trump himself stated, he is HIS Lucifer.

So you have that which I referenced.

I've followed it quite well actually for many months now.  I don't think Trump can save the Nation, certainly not without a congress that will both guide him and work with him.  I don't yet care much for him, and he would not be my candidate.  Still, there is no other choice for me.  Electing him may not save the Country, but the next round of Democrats running it will ruin it far more than it is today.  I neither condemn anyone here for their vote nor tell anyone how to vote.  And I certainly can't see any rationale for the kind of language you used as references to a political issue.   

[wolfcreek]

Love how that logical fallacy keeps rearing its ugly head.  Just goes to show that Trump supporters have a very weak grasp of basic logic.  I am only responsible for the vote I cast, not for the votes I do not cast.  And if I do not vote for a certain person, that is the fault of that person and that person's supporters, because they failed to persuade me.

It's too bad Trump is such anathema to so many people.  If his supporters had used their brains, instead of giving in to their hatred and fear, we wouldn't be in this place.

Or you just don't care who becomes President.

YOUR opinions and principles are the reason why YOU are where YOU'RE at. Don't blame it on others.

[DCPatriot]

Or you just don't care who becomes President.

YOUR opinions and principles are the reason why YOU are where YOU'RE at. Don't blame it on others.

The stark contrast here is that despite their level of formal education and experience in critical thinking, they have no connection with "The Street".

They don't see that Donald Trump, not only beat 16 other candidates head to head...not only the GOPe...but also that he's the ONLY person that has been able to piss on the media's leg and tell them it's raining.  Time and again.

They can't grasp that he's the perfect opponent for the always overreaching Left.

They can't 'see' the similarities between Obama's bringing 1 million Muslims here into the USA since 2009 (it's probably a helluva lot more than than that)....virtually dissolving our Southern Border by allowing perhaps 4-5 Million here in the same timeframe....with Angela Merkel declaring that she was welcoming "....up to 800,000 Muslim immigrants to rebuild Germany's workforce".

They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.

THAT is real for Joe the Plumber.  And Joseph the accountant.

They refuse to accept that Donald Trump is going to ride that same wave of populism right into the Oval Office.

Praise Jesus!           

[oldmomster]

They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.

THAT is real for Joe the Plumber.  And Joseph the accountant.

They refuse to accept that Donald Trump is going to ride that same wave of populism right into the Oval Office.

Praise Jesus!           

YES!!!  real for every young adult I know that either can't find a job or needs two 'part time' jobs to make ends meet as they can no longer afford apartments on their own so share with multiple roommates as

rents rise because property taxes increase to pay the protected class their promised minwage and benes FOREVER.  vote dems OUT - ALL of them.

[wolfcreek]

The stark contrast here is that despite their level of formal education and experience in critical thinking, they have no connection with "The Street".

They don't see that Donald Trump, not only beat 16 other candidates head to head...not only the GOPe...but also that he's the ONLY person that has been able to piss on the media's leg and tell them it's raining.  Time and again.

They can't grasp that he's the perfect opponent for the always overreaching Left.

They can't 'see' the similarities between Obama's bringing 1 million Muslims here into the USA since 2009 (it's probably a helluva lot more than than that)....virtually dissolving our Southern Border by allowing perhaps 4-5 Million here in the same timeframe....with Angela Merkel declaring that she was welcoming "....up to 800,000 Muslim immigrants to rebuild Germany's workforce".

They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.

THAT is real for Joe the Plumber.  And Joseph the accountant.

They refuse to accept that Donald Trump is going to ride that same wave of populism right into the Oval Office.

Praise Jesus!           

Indeed. 

[aligncare]

The stark contrast here is that despite their level of formal education and experience in critical thinking, they have no connection with "The Street".

They don't see that Donald Trump, not only beat 16 other candidates head to head...not only the GOPe...but also that he's the ONLY person that has been able to piss on the media's leg and tell them it's raining.  Time and again.

They can't grasp that he's the perfect opponent for the always overreaching Left.

They can't 'see' the similarities between Obama's bringing 1 million Muslims here into the USA since 2009 (it's probably a helluva lot more than than that)....virtually dissolving our Southern Border by allowing perhaps 4-5 Million here in the same timeframe....with Angela Merkel declaring that she was welcoming "....up to 800,000 Muslim immigrants to rebuild Germany's workforce".

They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.

THAT is real for Joe the Plumber.  And Joseph the accountant.

They refuse to accept that Donald Trump is going to ride that same wave of populism right into the Oval Office.

Praise Jesus!           

  righteous posting, dude!

[DCPatriot]

righteous posting, dude!

 

Done playing with these people.   

[wolfcreek]

Done playing with these people.

HEAR, HEAR!

[DCPatriot]

HEAR, HEAR!

Not confronting them.   I'm putting them on ignore.

At this stage of the game, if they're still doing conservative pedigree-checks even the Pope couldn't pass today?   Then I don't want to know them.

It's not like we have any history among us...compared to, for example, @sinkspur      I'll never give up on him.   

[MOD3]

Please stay on topic.

And, contrary to the last many comments, the topic is NOT what you think of your fellow TBR'ers.

[sneakypete]

Not confronting them.   I'm putting them on ignore.

At this stage of the game, if they're still doing conservative pedigree-checks even the Pope couldn't pass today?   

Since when has that freaking commie in the Vatican been a conservative?

Hell,the Vatican INVENTED globalism!

[DCPatriot]

Since when has that freaking commie in the Vatican been a conservative?

Hell,the Vatican INVENTED globalism!

I purposely used the Pope in my post, knowing his Leftist bent.   

[DCPatriot]

Please stay on topic.

And, contrary to the last many comments, the topic is NOT what you think of your fellow TBR'ers.

#1  the thread is 24 pages long

#2  My remarks certainly do follow the overall theme and remarks herein.

#3. Since I will have many fellow members on ignore, I will not be here defending myself on attacks such as I had to endure from @Oceander the other night.  Therefore, I will continue to make my case as politely as possible.  You know....the way we ALL used to post over a year ago. 

[aligncare]

24 pages and we're supposed stay on topic? Whoa, slow down there -- let me catch my breath! The depth of discussion on 'will you vote for the Republican nominee' ...my head is spinning!

Sounds more like an attempt at moderator  if you ask me.

[DCPatriot]

24 pages and we're supposed stay on topic? Whoa, slow down there -- let me catch my breath! The depth of discussion on 'will you vote for the Republican nominee' ...that has my head is spinning!

Sounds more like an attempt at moderator  if you ask me.

We both know who it is, @aligncare   

[Oceander]

#1  the thread is 24 pages long

#2  My remarks certainly do follow the overall theme and remarks herein.

#3. Since I will have many fellow members on ignore, I will not be here defending myself on attacks such as I had to endure from @Oceander the other night.  Therefore, I will continue to make my case as politely as possible.  You know....the way we ALL used to post over a year ago. 

If you're going to sling the hash you'd better be ready to catch it when it comes back.  And you've been slinging a lot of hash around lately, including in Myst's direction.

[DCPatriot]

If you're going to sling the hash you'd better be ready to catch it when it comes back.  And you've been slinging a lot of hash around lately, including in Myst's direction.

And look who shows up!      

Get back on topic, @Oceander   And mind you own GD business.

@mystery-ak   That's a GD lie.   And I want it stopped now! 

[For-Q-Clinton]

Not confronting them.   I'm putting them on ignore.

At this stage of the game, if they're still doing conservative pedigree-checks even the Pope couldn't pass today?   Then I don't want to know them.

It's not like we have any history among us...compared to, for example, @sinkspur      I'll never give up on him.

Do you think the Pope is Conservative?  If so that explains a lot!  He's a big commie in case you didn't know.

[INVAR]

Amazing the amount of demands the Trump Militant make.

They demand we vote for their prince, or be deemed traitors and worse.

They demand safe spaces and echo chambers free from any contrarian views.

They demand action and bannings/suspensions/removals of those who dare question them or their prince.

They demand stoppage of anyone pointing out their hypocrisy.

Or they will put you on ignore and run to the mods screaming like infants because people are not putting up with their bullying tactics.

Very fascinating.

[aligncare]

So where's the crack moderator to come in here and admonish errant posters to stay on topic and off other poster's backs?

Oh, I forgot. That only applies if you're a Trump supporter.

[roamer_1]

The stark contrast here is that despite their level of formal education and experience in critical thinking, they have no connection with "The Street".

LOL!

They don't see that Donald Trump, not only beat 16 other candidates head to head...not only the GOPe...but also that he's the ONLY person that has been able to piss on the media's leg and tell them it's raining.  Time and again.

And in that process, by hook and by crook, managed to piss everyone off so very badly that there is no chance of any unity at all - The price you pay for a divisive campaign built upon denigrating your opponents and the election system, and the party itself, while lying through your teeth the whole way along.

They can't grasp that he's the perfect opponent for the always overreaching Left.

Quite the opposite. He IS the left... Which is why he too is always overreaching.

They can't 'see' the similarities between Obama's bringing 1 million Muslims here into the USA since 2009 (it's probably a helluva lot more than than that)....virtually dissolving our Southern Border by allowing perhaps 4-5 Million here in the same timeframe....with Angela Merkel declaring that she was welcoming "....up to 800,000 Muslim immigrants to rebuild Germany's workforce".

We see just fine - What is at issue is whether a man of low character, such as Trump, will actually do as he has promised - most of which he has already backtracked upon... And lacking principles, whether he has the stones to rectify anything in the first place.

They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.

So what about the anger? Anger is useless without a plan...  DESTROY EVERYTHING!!! Then what?

They refuse to accept that Donald Trump is going to ride that same wave of populism right into the Oval Office.

Not without Conservatives, he's not.

[INVAR]

So where's the crack moderator to come in here and admonish errant posters to stay on topic and off other poster's backs?

Oh, I forgot. That only applies if you're a Trump supporter.

See what I mean?

I find this interesting because when only 36.1% of the respondents to the poll say they are voting for Trump, a small minority of those 36.1% then go full-tilt against the remaining 64%and declare them to be everything from traitors to trolls and go on to demand their safe spaces and echo chambers because taking over social media groups and entire forums is not enough.  They then stalk threads and fling insults and other assorted condescensions while feigning innocence after running to the mods to complain because they are 'done playing with these people'.  So then they trumpet about how they have us all on ignore yet demand the banning and silencing those who will not support the 36.1% and go on to throw public tantrums against the mod staff for not moving fast enough to suit them, or because they do not like being admonished by the same.

[DB]

They can't see the anger with 29 hour work weeks....mandated health insurance you cannot afford...being lied to by the Democrats and Obama that your premiums would go down and you could keep your doctor.

I've got bad news for you. Trump has said he's going to require health insurance companies to accept people with preexisting conditions and is part of his "plan". The only way you can do that is require people to buy health insurance - hence the "mandate". He was for the mandate before he was against it... Otherwise no one in their right mind would buy insurance until they have a problem that needs covered. It is a logical fallacy to claim you can cover preexisting conditions without the mandate. The mandate is why we have 29 hour work weeks. So if you expect Trump to "fix" this, you are dead wrong. That is if you believe Trump's going to do what he says he'll do...

[sneakypete]

[quote author=DB link=topic=203243.msg945033#msg945033 date=1467070
I've got bad news for you. Trump has said he's going to require health insurance companies to accept people with preexisting conditions and is part of his "plan". The only way you can do that is require people to buy health insurance - hence the "mandate". He was for the mandate before he was against it... Otherwise no one in their right mind would buy insurance until they have a problem that needs covered. It is a logical fallacy to claim you can cover preexisting conditions without the mandate. The mandate is why we have 29 hour work weeks. So if you expect Trump to "fix" this, you are dead wrong. That is if you believe Trump's going to do what he says he'll do...
[/quote]

HEY! Cut the Orange One some slack on that one. His lawyers probably haven't explained what a "mandate" is to him yet. Once they figure out how to spin it and teach him how to repeat what they have came up with,he will parrot it.

[ABX]

Trump is sea biscuit? Wasn't there a list on FR about the ridiculous things Trump has been compared to? I bet sea biscuit isn't one of them.