(POLL #2) VOTE! IF TRUMP IS THE NOMINEE WILL YOU VOTE FOR HIM?

[roamer_1]

To me, the priority is defeating Trump.  Why do you think I keep wanting, against all odds, to see him defeated at the convention?   Because THAT's the only way we're going to defeat Hillary!

That's right. Trump is bound to lose. Without the Conservatives, it is just as guaranteed and predictable as it was for McCain't and Romney. And he *won't* be getting Conservatives. It isn't going to happen.

The best way to beat Hillary is to get behind someone the Conservatives CAN vote for.

[roamer_1]

I don't give a fig if Donald Trump is Lucifer.   He's MY Lucifer. 

And there's your problem, right there. Are you listening to yourself?

He's OUR Lucifer.

No, he is not.

I'll still take that over Hillary Rodham Clinton and her stacked SCOTUS any day...any year.  for decades to come.

It doesn't matter what you want. What matters is what will work. Trump, very predictably, will not work.

[roamer_1]

Look, Jazzhead...you guyz are just pissed that some of us saw a winner when you mocked and mocked and mocked.

And he's going to the next POTUS and you're pissed that you picked a loser...whoever the flavor de jour was at the time.

@Jazzhead

LOL! Back to the 'winner/loser' meme, so very Trumpian. What, is this a football game?

Look, here's a clue: the ONLY way we 'win' is if we get a Conservative elected. The only way to win is being truly represented. What will fix this country is Conservatism, and nothing else will do. EVERYTHING else is loss.

If he is indeed elected, it will be Pyrrhic victory at best. But he will not be elected, because Conservatives aren't going to vote for him. Either way, you're guy is a loser. Big Time.

[Oceander]

Reality: If the "majority" of the GOP voters don't get behind the nominee, it's going to be a tough 4 to 8 years [or much longer] for this country.

Reality: things will be just as bad under Trump as under Clinton, except that it will become clear the GOP tarnished its political bonafides and fell victim to a comprehensive scam based on lies. 

The only way to ensure that the next 4 are better than the last 8 is for the delegates at the convention to vote for Trexit - freedom from Trump. 

[Bigun]

I don't give a fig if Donald Trump is Lucifer.   He's MY Lucifer.  He's OUR Lucifer.

I'll still take that over Hillary Rodham Clinton and her stacked SCOTUS any day...any year.  for decades to come.

You had me fooled for a while David but I'm on to you now!

Have a GREAT day!

"Liberty is a word which, according as it is used, comprehends the most good and the most evil of any in the world. Justly understood it is sacred next to those which we appropriate in divine adoration; but in the mouths of some it means anything, which enervate a necessary government; excite a jealousy of the rulers who are our own choice, and keep society in confusion for want of a power sufficiently concentered to promote good."

Oliver Ellsworth, The Landholder, No. III, November 19, 1787

[Bigun]

Reality: things will be just as bad under Trump as under Clinton, except that it will become clear the GOP tarnished its political bonafides and fell victim to a comprehensive scam based on lies. 

The only way to ensure that the next 4 are better than the last 8 is for the delegates at the convention to vote for Trexit - freedom from Trump.

Reality: Things are going to be bad no matter who gets elected in November!  It's going to take some time to repair the damage done over the last eight years no matter who is at the helm!

[Sanguine]

Reality: Things are going to be bad no matter who gets elected in November!  It's going to take some time to repair the damage done over the last eight years no matter who is at the helm!

And, that's why we need someone competent and committed at the helm.  Someone who has a strong sense of integrity and principles so that they won't be swayed from doing the right thing.

[Bigun]

And, that's why we need someone competent and committed at the helm.  Someone who has a strong sense of integrity and principles so that they won't be swayed from doing the right thing.

 

[Idiot]

Why?

I trusted my life in GWB's hands too!

And Ronald Reagan's.

Look, Jazzhead...you guyz are just pissed that some of us saw a winner when you mocked and mocked and mocked.

And he's going to the next POTUS and you're pissed that you picked a loser...whoever the flavor de jour was at the time.

It makes all your heads explode...to the point the embarrassment of admitting you backed the wrong horse is too much for you to publicly accept.

I understand there's a word for it.......

There is only ONE reason that I would even consider supporting Mr. Trump...the vile, disgusting person that he is.  The supreme court picks.  Possibly it's too late for our country anyway and God is pulling his protective hand away from us, since we've turned our backs on Him.

[Luis Gonzalez]

My point is that no matter what he is, he's represented by millions of Americans and controlled/kept in check by a Republican-led House and Senate.

And an loud minority party with their sympathetic media....

So we should support him in the hopes that if elected he will be kept in check by everything that he symbolizes an opposition to?

What kind of crazy s#it is that!?

[Luis Gonzalez]

My point is that no matter what he is, he's represented by millions of Americans and controlled/kept in check by a Republican-led House and Senate.

And an loud minority party with their sympathetic media....

So...

Scenario #1 - Hillary wins and we hope she's controlled/kept in check by a Republcan-led House and Senate (if we hold both).
 
Scenario #2 - Trump wins and we hope he's controlled/kept in check by a Republican-led House and Senate (if we hold both).

Haven't you you've been busy trying to convince us that your Lucifer is better than their Lucifer while we've been saying that there isn't any difference between the two

I rest my case.

[wolfcreek]

So,even you are saying there will be no change.

 I really wish we had the option to vote for someone that puts America ahead of self,but it looks like those days are gone forever.

Nope, that's not what I said.

Tell me this Pete, if you were a 70 year old billionaire with a beautiful wife and loving children, would you take time out of your life to run for President? If so, what would possess you to do so?

[wolfcreek]

"The problem" are the people thought Obama would make a better President than McCain and voted him into office.

"The problem" are those people who thought Obama would make a better President than Romney, and re-elected him.

"The problem" are the millions of people who think that a Socialist, an unconvicted felon, or a reality TV star make up the very best that this country, the country that gave the world Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan, have to offer as a leader.

Any other bloviating is white noise.

What about the "people" who were too good, too proud, to stuck on principle, etc. to vote for opponents of BHO? Isn't that who we're really talking about?

[wolfcreek]

He's YOUR Lucifer.

I accept no Lucifer.

Except the Luciferian Skull and Bones Bush family.

[Sanguine]

What about the "people" who were too good, too proud, to stuck on principle, etc. to vote for opponents of BHO? Isn't that who we're really talking about?

I don't think so.  I think most of the people here voted against 0bama.

[wolfcreek]

Reality: things will be just as bad under Trump as under Clinton, except that it will become clear the GOP tarnished its political bonafides and fell victim to a comprehensive scam based on lies. 

The only way to ensure that the next 4 are better than the last 8 is for the delegates at the convention to vote for Trexit - freedom from Trump.

The GOP's 'bonafides' sailed long before Trump came on the scene. They've been a laughing stock and basically a non-factor at stopping the Obama agenda or the Progressive movement in general.

It's time to move on. Bring on the Revolution!

[wolfcreek]

You had me fooled for a while David but I'm on to you now!

Have a GREAT day!

"Liberty is a word which, according as it is used, comprehends the most good and the most evil of any in the world. Justly understood it is sacred next to those which we appropriate in divine adoration; but in the mouths of some it means anything, which enervate a necessary government; excite a jealousy of the rulers who are our own choice, and keep society in confusion for want of a power sufficiently concentered to promote good."

Oliver Ellsworth, The Landholder, No. III, November 19, 1787

You can't use people's real names on here.

[wolfcreek]

And, that's why we need someone competent and committed at the helm.  Someone who has a strong sense of integrity and principles so that they won't be swayed from doing the right thing.

Like someone to do something about the rotten trade deals, the rotten bailout to banks etc, the wide open borders, the constant flow of illegals taking jobs and our tax money, the over-regulation and multiple taxes to support ridiculous ideas like ObamaCare?? Any of those ring a bell?

Trump promised to fix these things. If there's no progress after 4 years, he's outta there. If Hillary is elected, all those things get worse.

[wolfcreek]

I don't think so.  I think most of the people here voted against 0bama.

I know I did.

[INVAR]

The GOP's 'bonafides' sailed long before Trump came on the scene. They've been a laughing stock and basically a non-factor at stopping the Obama agenda or the Progressive movement in general.

It's time to move on. Bring on the Revolution!

Right!~  So militantly support a lifelong Liberal Democrat crony Fascist who supported Clinton; endorsed , funded, campaigned and voted for a KNOWN COMMUNIST for NYC mayor less than 3 years ago; and who just several weeks ago endorsed a pro-Amnesty, pro-abortion Liberal for Congress against stalwart Conservatives.

You have no "revolution' to stop the Progressive movement in Trump.   None.

All you got is a Trojan Horse sent to do one thing: wipe out Conservatism from within the Ruling Class Parties.

So you wave palm fronds in front of another Leftist and claim him your king.  "Your Lucifer"  because he decided to run with an 'R' after his name after consulting with Bill and Hillary.

Brilliant "revolution".

[INVAR]

Like someone to do something about the rotten trade deals, the rotten bailout to banks etc, the wide open borders, the constant flow of illegals taking jobs and our tax money, the over-regulation and multiple taxes to support ridiculous ideas like ObamaCare?? Any of those ring a bell?

Trump promised to fix these things.

The only way Trump fixes ANY of those *suggestions* (which are of course negotiable and on the table, along with our 2nd Amendment Rights according to his campaign spokesman yesterday), is if your Lucifer rules with a pen and phone, just like his predecessor.

Which according to the Trump Militant, is exactly what they want.

Another dictator.  As long as he is theirs.

[wolfcreek]

Right!~  So militantly support a lifelong Liberal Democrat crony Fascist who supported Clinton; endorsed , funded, campaigned and voted for a KNOWN COMMUNIST for NYC mayor less than 3 years ago; and who just several weeks ago endorsed a pro-Amnesty, pro-abortion Liberal for Congress against stalwart Conservatives.

You have no "revolution' to stop the Progressive movement in Trump.   None.

All you got is a Trojan Horse sent to do one thing: wipe out Conservatism from within the Ruling Class Parties.

So you wave palm fronds in front of another Leftist and claim him your king.  "Your Lucifer"  because he decided to run with an 'R' after his name after consulting with Bill and Hillary.

Brilliant "revolution".

My only KING is my savior Jesus Christ.

You can now stop with all your silly, uppity sounding insinuations about WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT ME!

 Understand?

[Sanguine]

Like someone to do something about the rotten trade deals, the rotten bailout to banks etc, the wide open borders, the constant flow of illegals taking jobs and our tax money, the over-regulation and multiple taxes to support ridiculous ideas like ObamaCare?? Any of those ring a bell?

Trump promised to fix these things. If there's no progress after 4 years, he's outta there. If Hillary is elected, all those things get worse.

How do you leap from what I said to your response? 

[wolfcreek]

How do you leap from what I said to your response?

Because you think just because you don't believe Trump has honor and integrity that he can't get things done.

Fact is we need a real SOB to get these sort of things accomplished. Someone with grit and determination.

[INVAR]

My only KING is my savior Jesus Christ.

You can now stop with all your silly, uppity sounding insinuations about WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT ME!

 Understand?

And Trump claims he is a practicing Christian too.

Yet the words and the fruits do not add up.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

And so did you. 

Even going so far as to call another poster here a racist and a traitor because of his ethnicity and his refusal to genuflect your prince, and then you doubled down on it - justifying the charges.

You claim Christ, yet seek for a vulgar "real SOB" to rule.  Those two claims do not add up.

[For-Q-Clinton]

Just throw a rock...you'll probably hit one.  [including those who would just as soon see Hillary as POTUS]

Trump is advocating touch back amnesty.  But his supporters are ok with that now because Trump backs it.

Touch back is a horrible idea.  Can you imagine if theme parks had that policy?  All theme parks I know have a policy if you cut in line you get kicked out...no refunds and not allowed back in.  So before someone cuts in line they will think twice.

Now if the policy was if you cut in line we send you to the end of the line then everyone will just cut because the worst thing to happen is you go to the end of the line (same place you would be if you followed the rules). 

[Sanguine]

Because you think just because you don't believe Trump has honor and integrity that he can't get things done.

Fact is we need a real SOB to get these sort of things accomplished. Someone with grit and determination.

Nope, Wolfcreek, I said nothing of the sort.  I actually wasn't even thinking of Trump; I was thinking of what we need in a candidate.

[wolfcreek]

Trump is advocating touch back amnesty.  But his supporters are ok with that now because Trump backs it.

Touch back is a horrible idea.  Can you imagine if theme parks had that policy?  All theme parks I know have a policy if you cut in line you get kicked out...no refunds and not allowed back in.  So before someone cuts in line they will think twice.

Now if the policy was if you cut in line we send you to the end of the line then everyone will just cut because the worst thing to happen is you go to the end of the line (same place you would be if you followed the rules).

He's advocating a wall to finally control our southern border. That's where we start.

Some, like the Dreamers, deserve to be first in line....right behind those doing it legally.

[wolfcreek]

Nope, Wolfcreek, I said nothing of the sort.  I actually wasn't even thinking of Trump; I was thinking of what we need in a candidate.

You know as well as I that 99 times out of 100 when a politician [no matter who] gets elected and goes to DC, they are turned.

We need someone who not looking to get wealthy on the backs of the taxpayer of this country.

[sneakypete]

"The problem" are the people thought Obama would make a better President than McCain and voted him into office.

"The problem" are those people who thought Obama would make a better President than Romney, and re-elected him.

"The problem" are the millions of people who think that a Socialist, an unconvicted felon, or a reality TV star make up the very best that this country, the country that gave the world Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, Kennedy, and Reagan, have to offer as a leader.

Any other bloviating is white noise.

It was observed by a famous philosopher in the 1960's that "We has met the enemy,and he is us!"

[sneakypete]

I don't give a fig if Donald Trump is Lucifer.   He's MY Lucifer.  He's OUR Lucifer.

I'll still take that over Hillary Rodham Clinton and her stacked SCOTUS any day...any year.  for decades to come.

I am not dumping on you. This is a serious question,and I would appreciate a serious response. WHAT is it about Trump and his known history that convinces you that he would do anything any differently than Bubbette?

Other than the Big Red "R" he is wearing on his chest this year,that is?

  Ok,two questions. "Do you think ANY president we have had since Reagan left office has been even remotely conservative?"

[sneakypete]

He's YOUR Lucifer.

I accept no Lucifer.

I don't understand why anyone would willingly vote for anyone they think is evil. Even if you think they are a lesser evil,you are STILL knowing voting for evil.

Which is EXACTLY what brought us the Bush Crime Family,and nominations for traitors like McLunatic and dedicated One Worlders like Romney. Someone PLEASE explain to me why any of that was a positive move to make to save our nation and way of life.

[sneakypete]

Dustin Ulsterman

#‎Brexit‬ my-oh-my it's looking like the Brits are about to punch the globalists right in the mouth if these results hold. The political elite are losing their sh*t over this. They are stunned beyond belief this might be happening.

Hold on GB. Sound the call. America is preparing to do something similar.

TRUMP 2016<<

DC,are you claiming "Mr Bankrupt in Mexico so he would steal the life savings of US retirees and not go to court over it in the US." is not a globalist?

[sneakypete]

Someone should ask Trump tomorrow to comment on the devaluation of the pound sterling, the bottom falling out of the US stock market and why that's a good thing.

He won't have an answer because he's effing clueless about economics.

He's clueless about everything but hiring good lawyers to represent him,and he cares nothing about what is good for anyone that isn't him or one of his Mini-Me's.

Trump is smart enough to hire and take the advise of good lawyers,and that's where it ends.

You can be sure there was a plan in place to benefit him before he ever announced because he has been personally making millions from running for office by charging all his expenses to his campaign,renting his private jet to his campaign,billing his campaign for his food,travel,bodyguards,and everything else,including the hats he buys from a company that he owns.

Trump is the world's biggest male whore.

[sneakypete]

Why?

I trusted my life in GWB's hands too!

Yet you seem to  have not learned a damn thing about false political  prophets.

[sneakypete]

Nope, that's not what I said.

Tell me this Pete, if you were a 70 year old billionaire with a beautiful wife and loving children, would you take time out of your life to run for President?

No,but I am not a narcissistic sociopath on a global ego-trip.

[sneakypete]

It's time to move on. Bring on the Revolution!

I agree,but Trump ain't nothing but more "Business as usual".

[sneakypete]

Like someone to do something about the rotten trade deals, the rotten bailout to banks etc, the wide open borders, the constant flow of illegals taking jobs and our tax money, the over-regulation and multiple taxes to support ridiculous ideas like ObamaCare?? Any of those ring a bell?

Trump promised to fix these things. If there's no progress after 4 years, he's outta there. If Hillary is elected, all those things get worse.

Santa used to promise a lot of crap,too. Do you still believe in Santa?

The only difference is the Santa of your youth worked for the department stores that were trying to sell your parents a bill  of good,and todays's Santa used other people's money to buy the department store,and he is busying billing the store for everything he does,and planning on looting the store of any money left over before he bails.

[sneakypete]

My only KING is my savior Jesus Christ.

Is he a mean-mouthed old fat man with orange hair and skin?

[sneakypete]

He's advocating a wall to finally control our southern border. That's where we start.

No,that is just a temporary campaign position that is open to negotiation,like everything else.

[sneakypete]

We need someone who not looking to get wealthy on the backs of the taxpayer of this country.

You mean that someone whose business model is bankruptcy,and who makes their money from claiming bankruptcy after raiding the coffers of the business they are supposed to be running to pay their personal bills is someone you wouldn't support?

Is it possible that you don't know ANYTHING about Trump other than he claims to be a Republican?

[DCPatriot]

I am not dumping on you. This is a serious question,and I would appreciate a serious response. WHAT is it about Trump and his known history that convinces you that he would do anything any differently than Bubbette?

Other than the Big Red "R" he is wearing on his chest this year,that is?

  Ok,two questions. "Do you think ANY president we have had since Reagan left office has been even remotely conservative?"

Thanks for your interest, @sneakypete !   BTW...you know I've told you I how much I appreciate and respect your raw edge.

And appreciate how you've kept 'it' in check!   

Donald Trump is an entrepreneur.  He fixes things.  He builds things.

Our economy needs such a man with that perspective.  Handcuff the Department of the Interior and the Evironment, as well as the Department of Homeland Security. 

Get their boots off the necks of markets and business. 

All he has to do is promise to get people back into a 40 hour work week, because we're going back to free market health care providers.

Trillions of dollars will pour out of the 'woodwork'  We'll see booms that these YUTES have only read about.

And I have to believe that the part will have a strong influence on who he nominates for the Court.   It won't be any 'Sotomayor'. 

And I believe he will crack down on the open borders.

But I think he will be fair.

With Hillary, the IRS will treble down on how they made life miserable for Conservatives.  With Hillary, the 2nd Amendment is repealed outright.  The First Amendment will have limitations...said limitations decided by activist judges who vote straight party line.

[DCPatriot]

Why on earth should we vote for someone who has to be "kept in check"?  Screw that.

And there won't be a Republican Senate, for sure. 

You continue to ask that we vote for an unpredictable, unstable candidate who has to be put on a leash.

No thanks.

[sneakypete]

Thanks for your interest, @sneakypete !   BTW...you know I've told you I how much I appreciate and respect your raw edge.

And appreciate how you've kept 'it' in check!   

Donald Trump is an entrepreneur.  He fixes things.  He builds things.

Our economy needs such a man with that perspective.  Handcuff the Department of the Interior and the Evironment, as well as the Department of Homeland Security. 

Get their boots off the necks of markets and business. 

All he has to do is promise to get people back into a 40 hour work week, because we're going back to free market health care providers.

Trillions of dollars will pour out of the 'woodwork'  We'll see booms that these YUTES have only read about.

And I have to believe that the part will have a strong influence on who he nominates for the Court.   It won't be any 'Sotomayor'. 

And I believe he will crack down on the open borders.

But I think he will be fair.

With Hillary, the IRS will treble down on how they made life miserable for Conservatives.  With Hillary, the 2nd Amendment is repealed outright.  The First Amendment will have limitations...said limitations decided by activist judges who vote straight party line.

Thank you for the honest response. If that is what you really believe,that is what you really believe.

[aligncare]

Thanks for your interest, @sneakypete !   BTW...you know I've told you I how much I appreciate and respect your raw edge.

And appreciate how you've kept 'it' in check!   

Donald Trump is an entrepreneur.  He fixes things.  He builds things.

Our economy needs such a man with that perspective.  Handcuff the Department of the Interior and the Evironment, as well as the Department of Homeland Security. 

Get their boots off the necks of markets and business. 

All he has to do is promise to get people back into a 40 hour work week, because we're going back to free market health care providers.

Trillions of dollars will pour out of the 'woodwork'  We'll see booms that these YUTES have only read about.

And I have to believe that the part will have a strong influence on who he nominates for the Court.   It won't be any 'Sotomayor'. 

And I believe he will crack down on the open borders.

But I think he will be fair.

With Hillary, the IRS will treble down on how they made life miserable for Conservatives.  With Hillary, the 2nd Amendment is repealed outright.  The First Amendment will have limitations...said limitations decided by activist judges who vote straight party line.

One of your best summations and right on the mark!

Thank you for the honest response. If that is what you really believe,that is what you really believe.

Ditto for me, what he said.

[Jazzhead]

Thanks for your interest, @sneakypete !   BTW...you know I've told you I how much I appreciate and respect your raw edge.

And appreciate how you've kept 'it' in check!   

Donald Trump is an entrepreneur.  He fixes things.  He builds things.

Our economy needs such a man with that perspective.  Handcuff the Department of the Interior and the Evironment, as well as the Department of Homeland Security. 

Get their boots off the necks of markets and business. 

All he has to do is promise to get people back into a 40 hour work week, because we're going back to free market health care providers.

Trillions of dollars will pour out of the 'woodwork'  We'll see booms that these YUTES have only read about.

And I have to believe that the part will have a strong influence on who he nominates for the Court.   It won't be any 'Sotomayor'. 

And I believe he will crack down on the open borders.

But I think he will be fair.

With Hillary, the IRS will treble down on how they made life miserable for Conservatives.  With Hillary, the 2nd Amendment is repealed outright.  The First Amendment will have limitations...said limitations decided by activist judges who vote straight party line.

I want (most of) those things too,  That's why I oppose Trump.  If Trump's the nominee,  Hillary will win. 

Save the message.  Replace the messenger.   

[DCPatriot]

I want (most of) those things too,  That's why I oppose Trump.  If Trump's the nominee,  Hillary will win. 

Save the message.  Replace the messenger.   

First of all...it's too late.  No momentum going into Cleveland? 

Secondly, Trump is Secretariat.  Trump is Sea Biscuit.  Why would you bet against him?

[Oceander]

First of all...it's too late.  No momentum going into Cleveland? 

Secondly, Trump is Secretariat.  Trump is Sea Biscuit.  Why would you bet against him?

Well, he certainly is some part of a horse's anatomy, that's for sure.

[DCPatriot]

One of your best summations and right on the mark!

Ditto for me, what he said.

Thanks, my friend.   

[roamer_1]

Secondly, Trump is Secretariat.  Trump is Sea Biscuit.  Why would you bet against him?

1. He is not Conservative in any fashion.
2. He is of an incredibly low character.
3. 70% of the electorate cannot stand him.
4. His mouth is big enough to contain both his feet at the same time.

The first two points remove any hope of principled change, even if he were to win.
The second two points remove any hope of winning.