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Title: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 31, 2021, 07:44:55 AM
Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
NY Post, Mar 30, 2021

President Biden will outline his massive $3 to 4 trillion infrastructure plan Wednesday, which will create four tax increases worth around $1.8 trillion, the White House revealed.

The commander-in-chief’s “Build Back Better” proposal, a centerpiece of his post-COVID campaign message, will be split into two packages for Congress to pass.

The first, the White House said, will focus on infrastructure investments specifically.

The second will focus on funding domestic policy areas of Democratic concern, such as providing universal pre-kindergarten and tuition-free community college, as well as health care.

Billions will also be put toward care for the elderly and disabled, as well as housing infrastructure and manufacturing.

As for how to pay for the plan, Biden’s main priority will be to raise the corporate rate from 21 percent to 28 percent.

In addition, Biden’s proposal would impose a global minimum tax on profits from foreign organizations, increasing capital gains taxes for the wealthy, and returning to the Bush-era individual rate of 39.6 percent for those making over $400,000.


More: https://nypost.com/2021/03/30/biden-to-announce-up-to-4-trillion-infrastructure-plan-with-tax-hike/
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 31, 2021, 07:49:09 AM
Biden’s insane new spend-fest is a recipe for national disaster
NY Post, Mar 30, 2021, Editorial Board

Three. Trillion. Dollars. Maybe four: That’s how much President Joe Biden wants for his next installment of Let’s Remake America. Think of it as pumping gasoline by the shipload onto a wildfire.

Fresh off signing a $1.9 trillion bill for “COVID relief” (that has little to do with COVID or relief), the prez is now set to roll out yet another tranche of his free-money orgy Wednesday. It’s so huge, he’s splitting it into two parts — one focusing on infrastructure, a second on progressive, social-policy wish-list items.

Together, they’d represent the single-largest outlay of cash in US history. And the aim is to “fix” everything from the nation’s insufficiently-= green economy to “income inequality” to child care, even as it miraculously revives domestic-manufacturing jobs while making the country carbon-neutral.

Biden’s been sold on the idea he can be the new FDR, imposing a historic nationwide transformation — including the Green New Deal fantasy of socialist-progressives like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Never mind his thin margin of victory last November or that Congress is nearly evenly divided. Forget his calls for unity and bipartisanship. And don’t even think about the fact that much of the money won’t even go toward his stated goals, just as President Barack Obama’s stimulus for “shovel-ready jobs” turned out to be pure fiction.

And to help this massive spending, Biden will slam taxpayers with trillions more in taxes, particularly on companies and the rich. That’s guaranteed to slow the economy, leading to income stagnation for lower earners, just as President Donald Trump’s tax cuts prompted big gains for working stiffs.

Even if the tax hikes total “only” a staggering $3 trillion, as the latest rumors suggest, much of Biden’s spree will be financed with yet more debt — when Uncle Sam already has more on his credit card than ever. Interest payments on the national debt this year alone total a whopping $378 billion. Biden’s borrowing would push that from the stratosphere and into orbit.

The last (but smaller!) such spending boom that began under President Lyndon Johnson in the ’60s wound up giving America the “stagflation” and double-digit inflation of the ’70s. This one could bring far worse — simply to feed Biden’s ego and AOC’s lunatic agenda.


https://nypost.com/2021/03/30/bidens-insane-new-spend-fest-is-a-recipe-for-national-disaster/
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: txradioguy on March 31, 2021, 07:56:40 AM
The plan -- according to sources familiar with the details who spoke to the Post -- provides only $650 billion for roads, bridges, highways, and ports.

Also in the plan, the sources said: $400 billion for home care for the elderly and the disabled, $300 billion for housing, $300 billion to revive U.S. manufacturing, and $400 billion in clean-energy credits.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/infrastructure-spending-roads-bridges/2021/03/30/id/1015784/
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: mountaineer on March 31, 2021, 08:44:38 AM
The doddering dolt is coming to Pittsburgh to announce this boondoggle. I guess the usual unions will be represented, as they're the only ones who might benefit.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: mikezpen on March 31, 2021, 09:05:49 AM
Frankly, I hope they raise taxes. They can't keep borrowing like this.But the tax hike won't be received positively of course.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: mystery-ak on March 31, 2021, 09:12:33 AM
Biden will today announce 7% corporate tax hike to 28% - the largest jump since the 90s - and 'target profits in tax havens' to raise $2TN for his huge climate-friendly infrastructure proposal

    President Joe Biden will unveil in remarks in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania on Wednesday afternoon his massive $4 trillion infrastructure plan 
    Biden plans to pay for $2 trillion of the Build Back Better initiative with a 7% corporate tax increase – bringing the rate from 21% to 28%
    The hike will undo former President Trump's famed tax cuts from 2017
    'If Republicans have alternative ways to pay for it, we're certainly open to hearing that,' Psaki told MSNBC's 'Morning Joe' on Wednesday morning
    The tax increased could also hit Americans earning more than $400,000 a year, married couples, businesses and estates

more
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9422227/Eager-build-infrastructure-Biden-plans-tax-business.html
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: andy58-in-nh on March 31, 2021, 09:18:51 AM
Total US income in 2019 (last year for which it has been calculated) was $18.6 Trillion.

$4 trillion = 21.5% of our total income. That would be in addition to the income taxes we are already paying... well, that half of us are paying.

$4 trillion divided by $143 million taxpayers last year = @$28,000 per taxpayer.

Average married couple tax increase = $56,000 divided by 10 years = $5,600 each year, on average.   

If they try to focus this on the top 10% of taxpayers (which they will), then the effect will be devastating for those who produce the most, and who create nearly all the new jobs.

Increases in corporate taxes will be passed along to consumers as well, increasing the cost of goods and services in regressive fashion, so that those with the lowest incomes will be hardest hit.

Pure socialism.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: catfish1957 on March 31, 2021, 09:23:03 AM


Pure socialism.

Damned right Andy...   And what is the most scariest part of this Biden plan is the precedent setting concept and implemtation of a Wealth Confisciation Tax.  Anyone thinking that $50M net worth threshold won't shrink down by a factor of 10 or 20 in the future are fooling themsleves.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 31, 2021, 09:39:15 AM
Corporations can move, restructure, and re-domicile.  I, unfortunately, can't re-domicile my working, middle-class existence to Bermuda.  Economically, to improve global competitiveness, the US should be making investments that drive efficiencies and pursue policies that increase the velocity of money through the economy.  Piles of money do not create economy.  It is the exchange of that money for goods and services that creates economy.  To that end, the U.S. needs to pursue a rigorous anti-trust enforcement regime to breakup monopolies, dualarchies, oligrachies, and cartels that impede free market competition.  ****slapping
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: andy58-in-nh on March 31, 2021, 09:49:26 AM
Corporations can move, restructure, and re-domicile.  I, unfortunately, can't re-domicile my working, middle-class existence to Bermuda.  Economically, to improve global competitiveness, the US should be making investments that drive efficiencies and pursue policies that increase the velocity of money through the economy.  Piles of money do not create economy.  It is the exchange of that money for goods and services that creates economy.  To that end, the U.S. needs to pursue a rigorous anti-trust enforcement regime to breakup monopolies, dualarchies, oligarchies, and cartels that impede free market competition.  ****slapping

That's entirely correct.  Tax increases force corporations to engage in non-productive behavior in the short-term, so that they may be able to remain competitive and add value in the longer term.

Today's Progressives, many of whom have never even worked in the private sector, have no clue about real-world economics. They tend to see corporations as mere pots of money, rather than the organic enterprises that they truly are.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: dfwgator on March 31, 2021, 09:56:02 AM
You get what you vote for.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: mikezpen on March 31, 2021, 02:11:22 PM
You beat me to it!

I don't feel sorry for this country. Millions upon tens of millions voted for this regime, and now they're getting it.Unfortunately, we're getting dragged along.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Bigun on March 31, 2021, 02:17:26 PM
Total US income in 2019 (last year for which it has been calculated) was $18.6 Trillion.

$4 trillion = 21.5% of our total income. That would be in addition to the income taxes we are already paying... well, that half of us are paying.

$4 trillion divided by $143 million taxpayers last year = @$28,000 per taxpayer.

Average married couple tax increase = $56,000 divided by 10 years = $5,600 each year, on average.   

If they try to focus this on the top 10% of taxpayers (which they will), then the effect will be devastating for those who produce the most, and who create nearly all the new jobs.

Increases in corporate taxes will be passed along to consumers as well, increasing the cost of goods and services in regressive fashion, so that those with the lowest incomes will be hardest hit.

Pure socialism.

 :yowsa: Absolutely right on all counts and they will not raise anywhere near what they seem to think they will.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Bigun on March 31, 2021, 02:20:34 PM
 :amen: to all you said @andy58-in-nh @catfish1957 @DefiantMassRINO
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: andy58-in-nh on March 31, 2021, 04:11:58 PM
:yowsa: Absolutely right on all counts and they will not raise anywhere near what they seem to think they will.

@Bigun

Tax increases NEVER raise what they project because they are based on static revenue analysis, i.e.-  the assumption that changes in tax rates will not alter taxpayer behavior in a quantifiable way.

Progressives adhere to this way of thinking not because they believe it, but because it is politically useful.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Bigun on March 31, 2021, 04:40:56 PM
@Bigun

Tax increases NEVER raise what they project because they are based on static revenue analysis, i.e.-  the assumption that changes in tax rates will not alter taxpayer behavior in a quantifiable way.

Progressives adhere to this way of thinking not because they believe it, but because it is politically useful.

 :yowsa: @andy58-in-nh and the "progressives" among us have adamantly refused to allow anyone in government anywhere near dynamic revenue analisis because they KNOW if that happens their goose is cooked!
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on March 31, 2021, 05:00:57 PM
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMRmbWnsMMk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMRmbWnsMMk)

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0dFsNwiqOM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0dFsNwiqOM)

   
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on March 31, 2021, 05:09:13 PM
    Infrastructure (Union Support) must be in our DNA by now, we've traded Infrastructure Mondays under Trump to Infrastructure Wednesdays with biteme.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: mountaineer on March 31, 2021, 05:37:44 PM
Like I said, it's all about the unions.
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John Kartch
@johnkartch
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8h
Biden “infrastructure” bill bans Right to Work laws nationwide.
27 states have Right to Work.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on March 31, 2021, 05:39:26 PM
Anyone miss the Last President, yet?   According to the whiners, he spent only 20,000 billion in four years, or 417 billion a month.

Now the Whiners have their Senile Idiot...and yes, the Whiners include those NT Morons who we all know about and can't understand...and he's spent 10,000 billion in four months, or 2500 billion per month.

Anyone that does not vote GOP-Conservative is a traitor, unless they're an illegal alien, then they're seditious enemy aliens.

Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 31, 2021, 05:44:42 PM
Sure ... a morally, socially and economically bankrupt US is such global challenge   ***suicide***

Breaking911
@Breaking911


BREAKING: President Biden says $2 trillion infrastructure plan will create millions of jobs

"It's not a plan that tinkers around the edges.”

The plan "will put us in a position to win the global competition with China.”

Video:  https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1377364185076527105

4:56 PM · Mar 31, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: GrouchoTex on March 31, 2021, 05:46:23 PM
@Bigun

Tax increases NEVER raise what they project because they are based on static revenue analysis, i.e.-  the assumption that changes in tax rates will not alter taxpayer behavior in a quantifiable way.

Progressives adhere to this way of thinking not because they believe it, but because it is politically useful.

Correct
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: GrouchoTex on March 31, 2021, 05:47:05 PM
:yowsa: @andy58-in-nh and the "progressives" among us have adamantly refused to allow anyone in government anywhere near dynamic revenue analisis because they KNOW if that happens their goose is cooked!

Also correct
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Wingnut on March 31, 2021, 05:49:56 PM
I watched the Resident unveil his 2.4 T socialist program this afternoon and came away with one thing.  Give that guy a redbull and a greenie to pump up his energy level.  The guy is like watching paint dry.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: mountaineer on March 31, 2021, 06:20:03 PM
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More Than Half of Biden’s Infrastructure Bill Does Not Go Towards Infrastructure
Biden plans to pay for this monstrosity by raising the corporate tax rate to 28% from 21%.
Posted by Mary Chastain
 Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 03:00pm

Basic infrastructure makes up $621 billion of President Joe Biden’s $2 trillion infrastructure bill. That means $1.379 trillion of the bill does not go towards infrastructure.

If you combine it with what they call “at home” infrastructure, it makes up $1.272 trillion of the bill.

Either way, projects that have nothing to do with infrastructure will receive more money than basic infrastructure. ...
Legal Insurrection (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/03/more-than-half-of-bidens-infrastructure-bill-does-not-go-towards-infrastructure/)
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: mystery-ak on March 31, 2021, 06:41:04 PM
Joe Biden: We Cannot Afford Not to Spend $2.5 Trillion on My Infrastructure Plan

(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2021/03/Joe-Biden-in-Pittsburgh-Spending-640x480.jpg)

President Joe Biden urged Americans to rally behind his dramatic $2.5 trillion economic plan on Wednesday.

“Put simply, these are investments we have to make, we can afford to make them,” he said. “Put another way, we can’t afford not to.”

Biden detailed his plan Wednesday afternoon during a speech in Pittsburgh and said the multi-trillion plan was only the first part of his proposed spending initiative to “build back better.”

The president’s plan spends roughly $639 billion on traditional infrastructure but more than a trillion on proposals that have less to do with infrastructure and more to do with climate change and clean energy goals, expanding health care, and affordable housing.

Biden promised to raise taxes to help pay for his proposed plan.

He emphasized the need to raise the corporate tax from 21 percent to 28 percent.

“No one should be able to complain about that,” he said.

He vowed to end various loopholes to keep companies like Amazon and other top 500 corporations from paying zero taxes.

“I don’t want to punish them but that’s just wrong,” he said.

Despite his planned tax increases, Biden appeared hopeful that Republicans would work with him, asserting that every Republican member of congress realized the importance of spending on infrastructure.

“They know China and other countries are eating our lunch,” he said. “There is no reason why it can’t be bipartisan again.”

Biden promised to meet with Republicans at the White House to discuss his plan and said he would be open to suggestions to improve his plan.

“We’ll have a good-faith negotiation with any Republican,” he said.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/31/joe-biden-we-cannot-afford-not-to-spend-2-5-trillion-on-my-infrastructure-plan/
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: christian on March 31, 2021, 07:00:10 PM
The secret behind Bidens spending, the ultra rich benefit greatly as does foreigners, especially our sworn and hostile enemies around the globe.  With massive tax increases to aid and abet the jihad war od a thousand cuts upon America and its citizens.  We have no money to alleviate poverty to millions of Americans, but plenty to finance our enemies around the world.  Does elections have consequences mean anything yet?  As least Trump was defeated, eh?
 How hateful he was bringing prosperity and jobs  back to America!
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on March 31, 2021, 07:09:34 PM
The secret behind Bidens spending, the ultra rich benefit greatly as does foreigners, especially our sworn and hostile enemies around the globe.  With massive tax increases to aid and abet the jihad war od a thousand cuts upon America and its citizens.  We have no money to alleviate poverty to millions of Americans, but plenty to finance our enemies around the world.  Does elections have consequences mean anything yet?  As least Trump was defeated, eh?
 How hateful he was bringing prosperity and jobs  back to America!

Oh but wait. Some of the next 4 trillion will be spent here.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 31, 2021, 07:33:51 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex0vDkrXMAIJUhK?format=jpg&name=small)  (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex0vDkqWUBIkeIZ?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: libertybele on March 31, 2021, 07:52:29 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex0vDkrXMAIJUhK?format=jpg&name=small)  (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex0vDkqWUBIkeIZ?format=jpg&name=small)

Trump is right of course, and it's a shame that he had this country headed in a better direction only to be destroyed by Dementia  Joe and his puppet masters.

Where do we go from here and how are we ever going to stop the blatant destruction??
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on March 31, 2021, 07:57:34 PM
Trump is right of course, and it's a shame that he had this country headed in a better direction only to be destroyed by Dementia  Joe and his puppet masters.

Where do we go from here and how are we ever going to stop the blatant destruction??

No worries. We'll get the chance to pick up some pieces.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2021, 08:14:29 PM
Anyone miss the Last President, yet?   According to the whiners, he spent only 20,000 billion in four years, or 417 billion a month.

Now the Whiners have their Senile Idiot...and yes, the Whiners include those NT Morons who we all know about and can't understand...and he's spent 10,000 billion in four months, or 2500 billion per month.


You missed by an order of magnitude: Twenty TRILLION in four years.

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Anyone that does not vote GOP-Conservative is a traitor, unless they're an illegal alien, then they're seditious enemy aliens.

Why should I vote to enable big government on the right? Because it is marginally less big government than the crats? Which it ain't so far, btw...

Not gonna happen. ever.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Fishrrman on March 31, 2021, 08:17:41 PM
I gotta feelin' that this is gonna be one of those bills with hundreds of pages of stuff you're not findin' out about until it's too late.

And that specifically includes tax increases...
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: libertybele on March 31, 2021, 08:19:41 PM
Anyone miss the Last President, yet?   According to the whiners, he spent only 20,000 billion in four years, or 417 billion a month.

Now the Whiners have their Senile Idiot...and yes, the Whiners include those NT Morons who we all know about and can't understand...and he's spent 10,000 billion in four months, or 2500 billion per month.

Anyone that does not vote GOP-Conservative is a traitor, unless they're an illegal alien, then they're seditious enemy aliens.

You mentioned GOP  "conservative" -- remember that next time you decide to go to the ballot box.
 
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: skeeter on March 31, 2021, 08:29:30 PM
Trump is right of course, and it's a shame that he had this country headed in a better direction only to be destroyed by Dementia  Joe and his puppet masters.

Where do we go from here and how are we ever going to stop the blatant destruction??
We went from on the verge of turning things around to on the brink of national extinction. It’s Homeric. People had better begin thinking in terms of taking matters into their own hands or we’re finished.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: libertybele on March 31, 2021, 08:36:47 PM
We went from on the verge of turning things around to on the brink of national extinction. It’s Homeric. People had better begin thinking in terms of taking matters into their own hands or we’re finished.


I have voiced my opinion as to what I think needs to happen, but obviously, no one agrees. I see it as we are already finished and a whole lot of people thinking that the GOP is somehow going to take back the House or maybe gain a seat or two in the Senate.  Not. going. to happen.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on March 31, 2021, 08:42:17 PM


I have voiced my opinion as to what I think needs to happen, but obviously, no one agrees. I see it as we are already finished and a whole lot of people thinking that the GOP is somehow going to take back the House or maybe gain a seat or two in the Senate.  Not. going. to happen.

I agree. We are done as a Republic.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on March 31, 2021, 08:47:31 PM
No worries. We'll get the chance to pick up some pieces.

   I read an article today that Pence is thinking about a run in 2024, Shirley he'll save us all from utter ruin.

Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on March 31, 2021, 08:52:49 PM
   I read an article today that Pence is thinking about a run in 2024, Shirley he'll save us all from utter ruin.

It is Kamala all the way.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 03:10:59 AM
You missed by an order of magnitude: Twenty TRILLION in four years.

Why should I vote to enable big government on the right? Because it is marginally less big government than the crats? Which it ain't so far, btw...

Not gonna happen. ever.

Why do you never tell us who you would support?  Why do you never build a case FOR someone rather than just emptying your bowels all over everything?

Are you paid to do this?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 03:43:50 AM
Why do you never tell us who you would support?  Why do you never build a case FOR someone rather than just emptying your bowels all over everything?

Are you paid to do this?

Are you nuts? I was delared hereon for Cruz -  And I might still vote for him yet... Though that is now a  slim chance.  And just the other day I expressed dead on support for Rand Paul... Cotton, and others. Something in that vein, though I would prefer  a governor.  As to whom  in particular, that I can't  say.... I pay it altogether no mind until the season comes around... I need little time in that, as I judge candidates almost solely on their record.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: mountaineer on April 01, 2021, 07:54:07 AM
   I read an article today that Pence is thinking about a run in 2024, Shirley he'll save us all from utter ruin.
Pence/Haley.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 01, 2021, 12:13:05 PM
Trump is right of course, and it's a shame that he had this country headed in a better direction only to be destroyed by Dementia  Joe and his puppet masters.

Where do we go from here and how are we ever going to stop the blatant destruction??


We win by voting the corrupt bastards out, of course.

That was always what we had to do, since before Reagan.

Time we got to work and did the job.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: GtHawk on April 01, 2021, 12:16:54 PM
Pence/Haley.  *****rollingeyes*****
Hmmm, are you sure that shouldn't be Ha'pence? it would make more sense because it would accurately compare them to the British half cent..........still more than they are worth.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 01, 2021, 12:20:14 PM
You missed by an order of magnitude: Twenty TRILLION in four years.

Why should I vote to enable big government on the right? Because it is marginally less big government than the crats? Which it ain't so far, btw...

Not gonna happen. ever.

Some people need to learn how to do math, and how normal people express numbers to make a bigger impact.

Twenty THOUSAND billion is a much more impressive sound than a mere twenty trillion.

Some people attempt to use words to greatest effect, others still whine about how Trump wasn't Hillary.

But, whatever.   Should I have said the expenditure was 2 x 10^13 dollars, instead?  What if I said it was 2 x 10^15 pennies?   I could have written it as pi^26.8 dollars, ya know.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 01, 2021, 12:22:15 PM
I gotta feelin' that this is gonna be one of those bills with hundreds of pages of stuff you're not findin' out about until it's too late.

And that specifically includes tax increases...

Tax increases and end to Right-to-Work in the states and anti-white racial quotas (it's a government infrastructure bill and it WILL cover what the contractors are hiring) and pretty much anything you don't like will be in there.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 01, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
You mentioned GOP  "conservative" -- remember that next time you decide to go to the ballot box.

I said it most deliberately.

The first goal of the GOP as a party of Americans is to purge their ranks of traitors, whiners, wusses, purist-defeatists, and the professional back-stabbers who have had their knives honed and near our spines for so long.   

If we have not learned that this is necessary, America deserves the long drawn-out death by political Ebola that it is going to be by the socialists.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 01, 2021, 12:26:50 PM
   I read an article today that Pence is thinking about a run in 2024, Shirley he'll save us all from utter ruin.

I hope he runs.

I hope Jeb! runs.

I hope Kay-sick runs.

I hope they all get the runs.

The more that run in the primaries, the more RINO money is wasted and the more the vote is split among them and the easier it is for Trump to secure his third nomination for his third term.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 01, 2021, 12:27:29 PM
Why do you never tell us who you would support?  Why do you never build a case FOR someone rather than just emptying your bowels all over everything?

Are you paid to do this?

Biden voters are going to be hard to find in the near future, even though every one of the forty million voted twice.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Killer Clouds on April 01, 2021, 12:57:50 PM
Why do you never tell us who you would support?  Why do you never build a case FOR someone rather than just emptying your bowels all over everything?

Are you paid to do this?
He is stuck on a twenty trillion dollar made up lie in his own mind. He lives in the land of Make Believe with his libby brethren. He stands for nothing.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: txradioguy on April 01, 2021, 01:14:13 PM
He is stuck on a twenty trillion dollar made up lie in his own mind. He lives in the land of Make Believe with his libby brethren. He stands for nothing.

Oh goody.  Hey @Cyber Liberty Look who hasn't learned their lesson about calling Briefers "Liberals".
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: txradioguy on April 01, 2021, 01:15:52 PM
Are you nuts? I was delared hereon for Cruz -  And I might still vote for him yet... Though that is now a  slim chance.  And just the other day I expressed dead on support for Rand Paul... Cotton, and others. Something in that vein, though I would prefer  a governor.  As to whom  in particular, that I can't  say.... I pay it altogether no mind until the season comes around... I need little time in that, as I judge candidates almost solely on their record.

@roamer_1

You're looking for someone with solid Conservative principals and policies...others are looking for a bully.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 01, 2021, 01:26:39 PM
Oh goody.  Hey @Cyber Liberty Look who hasn't learned their lesson about calling Briefers "Liberals".

Technically, he didn't call a Briefer a "liberal," he just says all of his "brethren" are.   :shrug:  Trolls always try to find that line so they can dance on it.  Remind you of anybody?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: txradioguy on April 01, 2021, 01:31:48 PM
Technically, he didn't call a Briefer a "liberal," he just says all of his "brethren" are.   :shrug:  Trolls always try to find that line so they can dance on it.  Remind you of anybody?

Sure does.  A couple of somebodies.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 01, 2021, 01:35:02 PM
Sure does.  A couple of somebodies.

This one may have just earned his "Scarlet T."
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: BassWrangler on April 01, 2021, 01:38:34 PM
Corporate tax increases make American-homed businesses less globally competitive, and they encourage those corporations to move manufacturing overseas. Long term, this will bring very little extra money into the government coffers and perhaps even be a net negative. Who it benefits most is Communist China.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: GrouchoTex on April 01, 2021, 01:41:11 PM
@roamer_1  must be over the target.
He's taking a lot of flak.

He stands on a principle against big government, smaller in scope, size, and what it spends, and I had thought that all of us desired this.

Whether D or R behind their name, there has not been a President in recent memory who has done any thing about the national debt.
Some said they tried, some said they wanted to, but at the end of the day, it just hasn't happened.
The Republican presidents in my life time, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, GHWB, W, and Trump, all said they would, and none did.
Before you blame the democrats alone, I will kindly remind you that each President  ever elected has the right to veto any bill they disapprove of.

We've got to elect Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents who make this a priority, or it won't change.

Let's say for argument sake that the difference is that the Democrats run the thing up twice as fast.
It's like saying you'd rather drown in fifty feet of water, rather than one hundred.

Now, @roamer_1 is more principled than me, as I will vote the lesser of 2 evils more often than not, but he's not wrong in his assessment of the government being out of control, in my view.


Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: GrouchoTex on April 01, 2021, 01:51:28 PM
Corporate tax increases make American-homed businesses less globally competitive, and they encourage those corporations to move manufacturing overseas. Long term, this will bring very little extra money into the government coffers and perhaps even be a net negative. Who it benefits most is Communist China.

100%
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 01, 2021, 02:01:17 PM
Ditto

More principled than I, as well. :patriot:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Bigun on April 01, 2021, 02:07:28 PM
@roamer_1  must be over the target.
He's taking a lot of flak.

He stands on a principle against big government, smaller in scope, size, and what it spends, and I had thought that all of us desired this.

Whether D or R behind their name, there has not been a President in recent memory who has done any thing about the national debt.
Some said they tried, some said they wanted to, but at the end of the day, it just hasn't happened.
The Republican presidents in my life time, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, GHWB, W, and Trump, all said they would, and none did.
Before you blame the democrats alone, I will kindly remind you that each President  ever elected has the right to veto any bill they disapprove of.

We've got to elect Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents who make this a priority, or it won't change.

Let's say for argument sake that the difference is that the Democrats run the thing up twice as fast.
It's like saying you'd rather drown in fifty feet of water, rather than one hundred.

Now, @roamer_1 is more principled than me, as I will vote the lesser of 2 evils more often than not, but he's not wrong in his assessment of the government being out of control, in my view.

Right, you are @GrouchoTex but the problem is the money behind GOPe approved candidates does not want what we want which is why you will never see me vote for the candidate with the most money in Republican primaries.  There is a reason why those people have all that money and it isn't any of our reasons.

I will always vote for the lesser evil in general elections but never in a primary.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 02:08:08 PM
@roamer_1

You're looking for someone with solid Conservative principals and policies...others are looking for a bully.

Personally, I'm looking for someone with solid conservative principles and policies, whatever label he may wear, AND who can fight the powers from hell trying to stop him.  If that's a bully, so be it.

Tell me, is delicate sensitivity one of your principles?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 02:14:27 PM
Are you nuts? I was delared hereon for Cruz -  And I might still vote for him yet... Though that is now a  slim chance.  And just the other day I expressed dead on support for Rand Paul... Cotton, and others. Something in that vein, though I would prefer  a governor.  As to whom  in particular, that I can't  say.... I pay it altogether no mind until the season comes around... I need little time in that, as I judge candidates almost solely on their record.

No, I'm not nuts @roamer_1  And thank you for your answer.  What "vein" is Cotton in?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Bigun on April 01, 2021, 02:15:40 PM
Corporate tax increases make American-homed businesses less globally competitive, and they encourage those corporations to move manufacturing overseas. Long term, this will bring very little extra money into the government coffers and perhaps even be a net negative. Who it benefits most is Communist China.

Our corporate income tax functions as a subtraction method VAT and makes EVERYTHING produced in this country less competitive in world markets by its very nature and that remains true even if, at the end of the day, no tax is due because all the costs of compliance find their way into prices as well.

IMHO it should be thrown onto the ash heap of history in its entirety ASAP.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: mountaineer on April 01, 2021, 02:23:03 PM
So where's everyone hiding their assets to avoid the Biden gubmint coming after them?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 01, 2021, 02:25:05 PM
So where's everyone hiding their assets to avoid the Biden gubmint coming after them?

(https://i.imgur.com/krqk9Xw.jpg)
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 02:50:14 PM
He stands on a principle against big government, smaller in scope, size, and what it spends, and I had thought that all of us desired this.

We all do @GrouchoTex  I'm not quite sure what the constant arguing is about fiscal responsibility.  There is nothing unique or sacred about @roamer_1 's fiscal "principles" --- or any of them.  We all share them. 

I think where the split starts is some of the most conservative "principled" confuse substance with style and policies with labels.  Another split I see is the "principled" are content to do nothing but wait for the embodiment of all principles to appear center stage while others will try to move the needle by feet instead of waiting for a quantum leap.   If the socialists have taught us anything, it should be to keep moving, even if by inches.

So, IMO, this endless debate on principle is really one of strategy.  I've said before (and caught hell for it) that politics is a blood sport.  It takes  guts, willpower, elbows, shoulders and at times, fists.  "Bullies" in politics are the movers and shakers; they are the heroes who affect change and get things done -- on both sides of the proverbial aisle.

Politics also needs a desire to win.  Taking one's marbles home when a candidate isn't a purist is the surest way to lose this country, forever, to the Marxists; and this is where and when all "principles" will die.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 01, 2021, 03:56:07 PM
@roamer_1  must be over the target.
He's taking a lot of flak.

He stands on a principle against big government, smaller in scope, size, and what it spends, and I had thought that all of us desired this.

Whether D or R behind their name, there has not been a President in recent memory who has done any thing about the national debt.
Some said they tried, some said they wanted to, but at the end of the day, it just hasn't happened.
The Republican presidents in my life time, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, GHWB, W, and Trump, all said they would, and none did.
Before you blame the democrats alone, I will kindly remind you that each President  ever elected has the right to veto any bill they disapprove of.

We've got to elect Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents who make this a priority, or it won't change.

Let's say for argument sake that the difference is that the Democrats run the thing up twice as fast.
It's like saying you'd rather drown in fifty feet of water, rather than one hundred.

Now, @roamer_1 is more principled than me, as I will vote the lesser of 2 evils more often than not, but he's not wrong in his assessment of the government being out of control, in my view.
It is most certainly not principled to refrain from your constitutional duty to vote, which is what is being done.

It is hiding your head in the sand.

We have Joe Biden as our President because of those like him, who cannot see any difference between a conservative with faults and a full blown communist destruction of America.

He gets the Courage Award alongside Mitt Romney.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: txradioguy on April 01, 2021, 04:07:34 PM
It is most certainly not principled to refrain from your constitutional duty to vote, which is what is being done.

It is hiding your head in the sand.

We have Joe Biden as our President because of those like him, who cannot see any difference between a conservative with faults and a full blown communist destruction of America.

He gets the Courage Award alongside Mitt Romney.

Where in the Constitution does it state it's our "duty" to vote?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: GrouchoTex on April 01, 2021, 04:28:37 PM
The Constitution is for limiting government, not making requirements of the citizens.

That's the way I read it as well.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 04:52:45 PM
The Constitution is for limiting government, not making requirements of the citizens.

Good point, well taken @thackney

Rather than a "duty" to vote, can we change it to:  "If you don't vote, you can't bitch!"? 
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 01, 2021, 04:56:01 PM
Where in the Constitution does it state it's our "duty" to vote?
There is no Constitution if no one votes.

It is malarky to consider otherwise.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 04:56:26 PM
Technically, he didn't call a Briefer a "liberal," he just says all of his "brethren" are.   :shrug:  Trolls always try to find that line so they can dance on it.  Remind you of anybody?

Wait, what?  Are Briefers not permitted to point out the liberalism in someone's policy or other proposals?  @Cyber Liberty
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 04:58:14 PM
So where's everyone hiding their assets to avoid the Biden gubmint coming after them?

Venezuela's looking good @mountaineer    88devil
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: GrouchoTex on April 01, 2021, 04:59:48 PM
We all do @GrouchoTex  I'm not quite sure what the constant arguing is about fiscal responsibility.  There is nothing unique or sacred about @roamer_1 's fiscal "principles" --- or any of them.  We all share them. 

I think where the split starts is some of the most conservative "principled" confuse substance with style and policies with labels.  Another split I see is the "principled" are content to do nothing but wait for the embodiment of all principles to appear center stage while others will try to move the needle by feet instead of waiting for a quantum leap.   If the socialists have taught us anything, it should be to keep moving, even if by inches.

So, IMO, this endless debate on principle is really one of strategy.  I've said before (and caught hell for it) that politics is a blood sport.  It takes  guts, willpower, elbows, shoulders and at times, fists.  "Bullies" in politics are the movers and shakers; they are the heroes who affect change and get things done -- on both sides of the proverbial aisle.

Politics also needs a desire to win.  Taking one's marbles home when a candidate isn't a purist is the surest way to lose this country, forever, to the Marxists; and this is where and when all "principles" will die.

Marxism would be terrible indeed.

Yet we are and have been in this quasi-socialism for quite some time, with will participants on "both sides of the proverbial aisle".
They do vote in ways that control production in this country, not quite ownership, but they do control the means of production far too often.

I'll give you one example where our side got what it wanted, for the military:

When the B1 bomber was being proposed, the manufacturers went before congress with a map, showing all the congressional districts.
They pointed out where a piece of that bomber, some small, some large, would be manufactured in each congressional district.
Was that the most cost-effective way to manufacture it?
No, all those pieces had to travel somewhere to be assembled.
Did ensure that they would get approval?
Of course, every congressman could then go home and say they brought jobs to the district, even though it wound up costing the taxpayers (us) more to build than it should have.

So, like you, I vote for the lesser of the two evils, and will continue, hoping to vote for the one that may make the incremental change, and while there have been exceptions, it has been pretty disappointing at times. It is hard for me to place the blame on the "principled" because they are getting tired of Lucy pulling out the football every time. It is their right to vote, or not, and they have to live with the consequences of not voting unless they are sold on a candidate, just like you or I have to when we get it wrong.
 
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 01, 2021, 05:04:15 PM
   Why do you ping the Admin on crap you don't like @Right_in_Virginia
   It never worked for me.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 01, 2021, 05:06:04 PM
The Constitution is for limiting government, not making requirements of the citizens.
That is not exactly true.

The Constitution originated as a way to form a government, which is not limiting government.

And in forming that new government the document specifically stated the limitations for the government.

And yes, there are indeed obligations of a citizen of that government if that government is to exist at all.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 05:07:04 PM
   Why do you ping the Admin on crap you don't like @Right_in_Virginia
   It never worked for me.

 :facepalm2: 

I pinged @Cyber Liberty because I was responding to HIS post.

@corbe

Updated to add:  Pity you missed the answer @txradioguy   ---  seeing this may have helped prevent you from making a total fool of yourself.








Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: thackney on April 01, 2021, 05:15:10 PM
That is not exactly true.

The Constitution originated as a way to form a government, which is not limiting government.

And in forming that new government the document specifically stated the limitations for the government.

And yes, there are indeed obligations of a citizen of that government if that government is to exist at all.

Would you please point to a sentence in the Constitution that makes a requirement of any type of the citizens?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 01, 2021, 05:38:26 PM
Would you please point to a sentence in the Constitution that makes a requirement of any type of the citizens?
Do you have common sense enough to realize that there is no government if one does not exercise the right to vote of its citizens?

How would you believe the government can exist if no one votes?

And I guess if you believe there is never a requirement from citizens, then the draft is unlawful and we should just sit still and be conquered by anybody who wishes to overcome us too.

Of course there are obligations.  The Constitution is founded on a moral foundation.  Morality demands one acts.

Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: txradioguy on April 01, 2021, 07:31:07 PM
   Why do you ping the Admin on crap you don't like @Right_in_Virginia
   It never worked for me.

@corbe she thinks she's got some kind of special "in" with management.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: txradioguy on April 01, 2021, 07:32:02 PM
The Constitution is for limiting government, not making requirements of the citizens.

Exactly!
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: txradioguy on April 01, 2021, 07:34:28 PM
There is no Constitution if no one votes.

It is malarky to consider otherwise.

Then you are contradicting yourself.

Quote
It is most certainly not principled to refrain from your constitutional duty to vote, which is what is being done.

 :whistle:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 01, 2021, 07:37:10 PM
Only got one asset. It is on this here chair.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 01, 2021, 07:40:01 PM
    She is the exact reason I got out of Retail as soon as I got into it.  She can be persistent and persuasive, at times, though the latter moments are few and far between, @txradioguy

    Here's the kicker~If I don't ping her she'll accuse me of talking behind her back, if I do ping her she'll belittle me in a PM for pinging her to my private hellhole, so I'm screwed either way. :shrug:

   @Right_in_Virginia
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 08:20:50 PM
@corbe she thinks she's got some kind of special "in" with management.

Who are you talking about here, you effing coward? 

@txradioguy
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 08:25:02 PM
    She is the exact reason I got out of Retail as soon as I got into it.  She can be persistent and persuasive, at times, though the latter moments are few and far between, @txradioguy

What the hell part of "I pinged @Cyber Liberty because I was responding to HIS post" did you miss @corbe?

What part confuses you, still?



Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 01, 2021, 08:35:55 PM
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Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 01, 2021, 08:39:17 PM
  Sister, it's Easter weekend,  Can't we try and live in peace like Jesus suggested?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 09:24:15 PM

We win by voting the corrupt bastards out, of course.

That was always what we had to do, since before Reagan.

Time we got to work and did the job.

That's right. Throw ALL the bastards out. Burn that 'Big Tent' DOWN.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 09:35:10 PM
@roamer_1

You're looking for someone with solid Conservative principals and policies...others are looking for a bully.

@txradioguy

I think that's right.
I am looking for  that across the board though - I hold no faith in princes.

The ONLY thing that will beat the liberals is hard-core Conservatism at every level - not mere Republican-ism, not rah-rah messiah-ism. ALL of that is just bullcrap.

If the right cannot field a majority - a clear majority - of Conservatives, and cannot tear the reins of power away from the Republican Moderate wing  - And begin to write actual LAW supporting Conservative values, and reversing the liberal infection, nothing else one may do will matter a whit. Because the liberals will continue to win the day, as they have done for all of the last thirty years (except arguably, a brief respite in the 94 Congress)

That is the ONLY way forward. That is why I was/am a BIG supporter of the TEA party and don't support 'Tumpy and Our Gang' in the least... Because the TEA Party actually moved the ball.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 01, 2021, 09:36:40 PM
   Whoa there @roamer_1 that big tent allows us space for the adorables and the gays.  It's political suicide to disclude (sic) them?     /s
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 09:40:03 PM
@roamer_1  must be over the target.
He's taking a lot of flak.

He stands on a principle against big government, smaller in scope, size, and what it spends, and I had thought that all of us desired this.

Whether D or R behind their name, there has not been a President in recent memory who has done any thing about the national debt.
Some said they tried, some said they wanted to, but at the end of the day, it just hasn't happened.
The Republican presidents in my life time, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, GHWB, W, and Trump, all said they would, and none did.
Before you blame the democrats alone, I will kindly remind you that each President  ever elected has the right to veto any bill they disapprove of.

We've got to elect Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents who make this a priority, or it won't change.

Let's say for argument sake that the difference is that the Democrats run the thing up twice as fast.
It's like saying you'd rather drown in fifty feet of water, rather than one hundred.

Now, @roamer_1 is more principled than me, as I will vote the lesser of 2 evils more often than not, but he's not wrong in his assessment of the government being out of control, in my view.

Thank you for that @GrouchoTex and you are damn well right, except in that last bit - I can see you from here, and I always have. We can argue over the lesser evil thing some other time.  :beer:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 09:40:34 PM
Ditto

 :beer:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 09:49:00 PM
No, I'm not nuts @roamer_1  And thank you for your answer.  What "vein" is Cotton in?

Cotton is a Conservative. One of a handful. He is on the weaker side of 'strong Conservative' but in the ballpark with an ACU rating in the high 80s - Fallen some, like Cruz, though not as far as Cruz.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 01, 2021, 09:51:38 PM
Wait, what?  Are Briefers not permitted to point out the liberalism in someone's policy or other proposals?  @Cyber Liberty

That wasn't what he did.  He said Roamer's "Brethren" were Libs, implying birds of a feather and all.  You know better than to post this.  Maybe not...not my problem :shrug:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 10:03:29 PM
We all do @GrouchoTex  I'm not quite sure what the constant arguing is about fiscal responsibility.  There is nothing unique or sacred about @roamer_1 's fiscal "principles" --- or any of them.  We all share them. 

I think where the split starts is some of the most conservative "principled" confuse substance with style and policies with labels.  Another split I see is the "principled" are content to do nothing but wait for the embodiment of all principles to appear center stage while others will try to move the needle by feet instead of waiting for a quantum leap.   If the socialists have taught us anything, it should be to keep moving, even if by inches.

So, IMO, this endless debate on principle is really one of strategy.  I've said before (and caught hell for it) that politics is a blood sport.  It takes  guts, willpower, elbows, shoulders and at times, fists.  "Bullies" in politics are the movers and shakers; they are the heroes who affect change and get things done -- on both sides of the proverbial aisle.

Politics also needs a desire to win.  Taking one's marbles home when a candidate isn't a purist is the surest way to lose this country, forever, to the Marxists; and this is where and when all "principles" will die.

You are entirely wrong in your assessment @Right_in_Virginia

The reason I will hold out is precisely right though. Because that is the whole of the Conservative Coalition in its formation - That we would stick together and vote for each other - Because none alone has the ability to move things in a Conservative direction. ALL of the factions together are unstoppable.

But that means servicing the agreement between them - None of them go under the bus. That is the 'purity' you speak of. That none go under the bus - That you serve all of the factions, and do none of them harm.

THAT is what causes the Conservative juggernaut to rise up out of the sea. THAT is what causes unstoppable movement to the right. That causes REAL law to be written. That causes REAL harm to the left.

And that has happened exactly three times in my lifetime. Reagan, the 94 Congress, and the TEA Party - All quenched by the way, by Moderate wing manipulations of populist movements. You cannot take on liberalism cozied up to Moderates (like Tumpy did).

The only threat to them (liberals on the left and moderate power on the right) IS Conservatism, raw and unleashed.

You NEED MORE of that 'purity', not less. And the last four years should be a lesson in that regard.

You don't win with popularity. You don't win because you throw poo at liberals. You WIN with Conservative LAW.

That is ALL.


Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 10:09:15 PM
It is most certainly not principled to refrain from your constitutional duty to vote, which is what is being done.

It is hiding your head in the sand.

We have Joe Biden as our President because of those like him, who cannot see any difference between a conservative with faults and a full blown communist destruction of America.

He gets the Courage Award alongside Mitt Romney.

No it is NOT the cause of voting to vote 'against' anything, which is what you propose.
All your vote IS, all your vote CAN BE, is an endorsement. And if you read the Founders, you will find that is what they designed. You are to vote your conscience. You are to endorse your conscience.

Vote FOR what's RIGHT. To do otherwise allows the lesser evil, which is what the Republicans have become.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 10:18:43 PM
So, like you, I vote for the lesser of the two evils, and will continue, hoping to vote for the one that may make the incremental change, and while there have been exceptions, it has been pretty disappointing at times. It is hard for me to place the blame on the "principled" because they are getting tired of Lucy pulling out the football every time. It is their right to vote, or not, and they have to live with the consequences of not voting unless they are sold on a candidate, just like you or I have to when we get it wrong.
 

Except in that the theory has proven deadly and wrong over time. The incremental change you are getting is a Republican party sliding further and further into incremental evil, not the other way around.

That is precisely why Conservatism is almost gone - Because lesser evil is getting more and more evil. That slippery slope will be our doom, as anyone should readily see.

The benefit of constantly throwing fiscal Conservatives under the bus, for instance, is a party that pays no mind to fiscal matters AT ALL. Is that the right direction?

If you think the federal behemoth spends way too much, don't you think you ought to first vote for bean-counters? That makes nothing but sense to me, as the other side certainly is not going to defend spending less and having more accountability.

What has been wrought is that now, NEITHER side cares a whit for fiscal Conservatism, and it is all but lost. It is completely off the table.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 10:22:56 PM
Of course there are obligations.  The Constitution is founded on a moral foundation.  Morality demands one acts.

TRUE. But it does not demand one act against one's conscience. In fact, quite the opposite.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 01, 2021, 10:25:07 PM
No it is NOT the cause of voting to vote 'against' anything, which is what you propose.
All your vote IS, all your vote CAN BE, is an endorsement. And if you read the Founders, you will find that is what they designed. You are to vote your conscience. You are to endorse your conscience.

Vote FOR what's RIGHT. To do otherwise allows the lesser evil, which is what the Republicans have become.

To refuse to choose is a choice, in and of itself.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 10:27:10 PM
   Whoa there @roamer_1 that big tent allows us space for the adorables and the gays.  It's political suicide to disclude (sic) them?     /s

So they tell me.  :whistle:

So throw out the Bible folks, The libertarians, and the fiscally minded, and let them in then. I'll just be over here with them.  :beer:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 10:33:24 PM
To refuse to choose is a choice, in and of itself.  :shrug:

INDEED it is - I choose NOT to vote for 'lesser evil' I will abstain.

If all I have to choose from is a sh*t sandwich or a turd burger, I WILL say, "none for me thanks," and wander down the street to find a nice deli.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 01, 2021, 10:57:26 PM
Then you are contradicting yourself.

 :whistle:
Nope, there is no country, no constitution, no citizenry if people do not vote, which is the constitutional duty of every citizen.

It is the morality of the Constitution's foundational principles.  Freedom requires action, not complacency.

Is one free to not vote?  Sure, but that does not change the fact that if all did the same, the republic no longer exists.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 11:06:52 PM
Nope, there is no country, no constitution, no citizenry if people do not vote, which is the constitutional duty of every citizen.

It is the morality of the Constitution's foundational principles.  Freedom requires action, not complacency.

Is one free to not vote?  Sure, but that does not change the fact that if all did the same, the republic no longer exists.

And if the country continues to vote for the lesser evil the republic will fail as well. That writing is on the wall.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2021, 11:23:02 PM
You are entirely wrong in your assessment @Right_in_Virginia  The reason I will hold out is precisely right though.

My assessment is not wrong @roamer_1  We all agree on the principles of conservatism.  And no, the reason you hold out is not precisely right.  You're holding out for the purist who will lose gracefully while protecting the principles and keeping them in pristine condition.  Tour tagline could be:  "Better to lose than defile the principles".

I think yours is a senseless strategy.  Is it good for the pulpit?  Yes.  Good for the classroom and book clubs?  Yes and yes.   Good for the blood sport of politics?  No.  Good for the times in which we live?  Hell, no.

I think you are custom built for the pulpit or the classroom.  But if I had a magic wand, I'd remove you from the political arena with one tap. 

Our political enemy took every inch they could beg, borrow or steal.  They didn't care it took a generation to amass the power to install a fraudulent president in plain sight.  They are now strong enough to completely shred the Constitution, unravel our representative republic and void our inheritance of freedom.

And still you wait.  Yet, my concern is not that you are waiting.  What troubles me is you are here trying to pull people away from active duty to serve with you in the reserves. 

Your wait-for-it "strategery" is more than a luxury we cannot afford; it is now a looming obstacle to moving this country from the brink of total destruction.

I find no righteousness in your plan.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: skeeter on April 01, 2021, 11:36:02 PM
And if the country continues to vote for the lesser evil the republic will fail as well. That writing is on the wall.
and for all that the ‘lesser evil’ would’ve maintained a secure border. The ‘lesser evil’ would’ve maintained $3 per gallon gas. There would be no political litmus tests or taxpayer funded gender reassignment for confused soldiers in the military, no mandatory critical race theory seminars for government employees, no growing federal persecution of political dissenters if the ‘lesser evil’ were still in the White House. Our most likely enemy wouldn’t be sh*ting on our SoS if the ‘lesser evil’ were still in the White House.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 11:40:42 PM
My assessment is not wrong @roamer_1  We all agree on the principles of conservatism.

@Right_in_Virginia
No, I don't think we do... How many times have I had to explain them for you?

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And no, the reason you hold out is not precisely right.  You're holding out for the purist who will lose gracefully while protecting the principles and keeping them in pristine condition.  Tour tagline could be:  "Better to lose than defile the principles".

So you know my own mind better than I do, eh? To defile those principles MEANS you have thrown a Conservative faction UNDER THE BUS. That is what it plainly means. And the only way to preserve the Conservative coalition - The only way to actually make gains- is to stand with those you would throw under the bus. You do it to them, you do it to me. THAT IS CONSERVATISM. THAT IS the Conservative Coalition. To be Conservative, there is nothing else.

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I think yours is a senseless strategy.  Is it good for the pulpit?  Yes.  Good for the classroom and book clubs?  Yes and yes.   Good for the blood sport of politics?  No.  Good for the times in which we live?  Hell, no.

Time has proven you utterly incorrect. Even your prince could do NOTHING because his own party fought him tooth and nail - That is the product of the lesser evil. That is the product of your strategy... And that is why Republicans have not won a single issue in my lifetime.

Sooner or later you should come to the conclusion that you should not keep doing the same damn thing expecting different results.

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I think you are custom built for the pulpit or the classroom.  But if I had a magic wand, I'd remove you from the political arena with one tap. 

Our political enemy took every inch they could beg, borrow or steal.  They didn't care it took a generation to amass the power to install a fraudulent president in plain sight.  They are now strong enough to completely shred the Constitution, unravel our representative republic and void our inheritance of freedom.

Because y'all LET THEM. Don't forget that part. That did not happen in a vacuum. Y'ALL LET THEM. They had no opposition.

And THAT should be your focus. But it is not. Y'all keep chasing after miracle princes and voting in lesser evil. Surely it will work THIS TIME... Here is a clue: It won't work, it has NEVER worked. But you go ahead and keep being you.


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And still you wait.  Yet, my concern is not that you are waiting.  What troubles me is you are here trying to pull people away from active duty to serve with you in the reserves.


I am not waiting. I am OPPOSED to you. You're kind has left us without remedy, and STILL you go on. You are fixing NOTHING. And  you distract folks from where the fight really IS. Which is within the RIGHT. Your 'lesser evil will win' has decimated any opposition to exactly what the left is doing. The right is BECOMING the left, and you cheer.

That is NOT winning.

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Your wait-for-it "strategery" is more than a luxury we cannot afford; it is now a looming obstacle to moving this country from the brink of total destruction.

I find no righteousness in your plan.

I am not waiting for anything. Like I said, I am in opposition to ALL that is not Conservative. I see no difference between your movement and the left. Both are big-government. Either will enslave us.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 11:49:13 PM
and for all that the ‘lesser evil’ would’ve maintained a secure border. The ‘lesser evil’ would’ve maintained $3 per gallon gas. There would be no political litmus tests or taxpayer funded gender reassignment for confused soldiers in the military, no mandatory critical race theory seminars for government employees, no growing federal persecution of political dissenters if the ‘lesser evil’ were still in the White House. Our most likely enemy wouldn’t be sh*ting on our SoS if the ‘lesser evil’ were still in the White House.

NO, IT WOULD NOT. You might have got four more years, but this day was coming anyway.

That is why candy from the front of the parade does you no good. Sooner or later you will be hungry and miss the meat and potatoes (which is LAW) that you could have and should have had.

Now all the candy is gone. What is left? Nothing, that's what. And it has happened EVERY time since Reagan.
EOs for the dumass Conservatives and liberal law to move soul of the country. Happened just like that under GHWB, and Dubya, AND TUMP.

You ain't just getting some candy - you are losing your heritage for that candy.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: skeeter on April 01, 2021, 11:55:13 PM
NO, IT WOULD NOT. You might have got four more years, but this day was coming anyway.

That is why candy from the front of the parade does you no good. Sooner or later you will be hungry and miss the meat and potatoes (which is LAW) that you could have and should have had.

Now all the candy is gone. What is left? Nothing, that's what. And it has happened EVERY time since Reagan.
EOs for the dumass Conservatives and liberal law to move soul of the country. Happened just like that under GHWB, and Dubya, AND TUMP.

You ain't just getting some candy - you are losing your heritage for that candy.
YES it would have. For another four years. Instead we get nothing.

Four years vs. nothing. I’ll take the four years.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2021, 11:58:42 PM
YES it would have. For another four years. Instead we get nothing.

Four years vs. nothing. I’ll take the four years.

Sure... and lose more of your heritage to liberal laws passed by YOUR TEAM.
Yeah, that's good thinking.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 02, 2021, 12:05:38 AM
@Right_in_Virginia

I find no honor, integrity or righteousness in your strategy.  I simply cannot reconcile how a soul can love this country and recruit others to do nothing while it is destroyed.

I concede this is your right @roamer_1   --- but, I am not going to change my mind.  So, it's best we end it here. 
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: skeeter on April 02, 2021, 12:08:49 AM
Sure... and lose more of your heritage to liberal laws passed by YOUR TEAM.
Yeah, that's good thinking.
And, as I’ve said many times before, you offer NO workable alternative.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 12:13:28 AM
I find no honor, integrity or righteousness in your strategy.  I simply cannot reconcile how a soul can love this country and recruit others to do nothing while it is destroyed.

I concede this is your right @roamer_1   --- but, I am not going to change my mind.  So, it's best we end it here.

@Right_in_Virginia

I am not doing nothing. I am opposing YOU. Y'all have left the Right in tatters, with no identity. with no purpose other than to follow your prince. The litmus test is not whether a candidate is Conservative or not. The litmus is whether that candidate will bow to Tumpy and kiss his ring.

THAT is NOT Conservatism. And it is abhorrent to me.

And in the mean time, the very things that DEFINE Conservatism are defamed as 'purist' so y'all can continue to promote 'lesser evil'. That too is abhorrent to me.

And you speak to me of honor, integrity, and righteousness... As if yours is the defender of such.
LOL!
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 12:17:12 AM
And, as I’ve said many times before, you offer NO workable alternative.

Yes I do. I offer the only workable alternative. The only one that has historically worked.
Do NOT vote for lesser evil. Insist upon Conservatism.
Do not listen to pretty promises - Look at the record.

Vote ONLY for Conservatives and you will get Conservatism.
How you think you will get it otherwise is entirely beyond me.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: DB on April 02, 2021, 12:33:10 AM
And, as I’ve said many times before, you offer NO workable alternative.

It is the ONLY alternative that will work. But only when enough people have the courage to do it. And there lies the heart of the problem.

Otherwise the slide continues as should be well evidenced decade after decade... They own your vote as long as whatever they do is a little less destructive to you than what the other side is doing. Destruction is the still the path taken.

Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 12:50:42 AM
It is the ONLY alternative that will work. But only when enough people have the courage to do it. And there lies the heart of the problem.

Otherwise the slide continues as should be well evidenced decade after decade... They own your vote as long as whatever they do is a little less destructive to you than what the other side is doing. Destruction is the still the path taken.

SURELY you get MORE of what you vote FOR...

What Republicans vote *for* is self-evident.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2021, 05:41:42 AM
Do these tax hikes include tax hikes for people who have "no show" board seats on foreign corporate boards that pay them millions each year to do nothing but be related to an American career criminal/politician?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2021, 05:44:33 AM
The doddering dolt is coming to Pittsburgh to announce this boondoggle. I guess the usual unions will be represented, as they're the only ones who might benefit.

@mountaineer

Any union member that wants to keep his or her job is going to be there.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2021, 05:47:53 AM
Frankly, I hope they raise taxes. They can't keep borrowing like this.But the tax hike won't be received positively of course.

@mikezpen

Nah,the Dims never worry about tax hikes.

They just spend the money,and then rely on the Republicans who are elected to replace them to raise taxes to pay for the Dim promises.

That way the Dims look like the heroes to the perpetually clueless voters,and the Republicans look like the greedy capitalists who want to "steal the working man's paycheck" to pay for it all.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2021, 05:50:19 AM
Biden will today announce 7% corporate tax hike to 28% - the largest jump since the 90s 
   

@mystery-ak

Just ONCE,I would like to hear someone from the mainstream media ask one of these clowns "Do you understand that only people pay taxes,and corporations are NOT people?"
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2021, 05:53:52 AM
Total US income in 2019 (last year for which it has been calculated) was $18.6 Trillion.

$4 trillion = 21.5% of our total income. That would be in addition to the income taxes we are already paying... well, that half of us are paying.

$4 trillion divided by $143 million taxpayers last year = @$28,000 per taxpayer.

Average married couple tax increase = $56,000 divided by 10 years = $5,600 each year, on average.   

If they try to focus this on the top 10% of taxpayers (which they will), then the effect will be devastating for those who produce the most, and who create nearly all the new jobs.

Increases in corporate taxes will be passed along to consumers as well, increasing the cost of goods and services in regressive fashion, so that those with the lowest incomes will be hardest hit.

Pure socialism.

@andy58-in-nh

They may be clueless,but even THEY know this,and it is the base on which their plan to take over America and turn it into one more "workers paradise" is based on.

They will never take over America until we are bankrupt,and they know it. That IS why they keep trying to do this.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2021, 05:57:12 AM
Wow, a 33% corporate tax increase.

@thackney

Not a problem. The corporations will just shut down plants in the US,and move them to China,meaning Pelosi,Biden,and the others will recieve bonus deposits in their off-shore accounts from their Chinese masters.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 08:45:17 AM
These days, conservatism and politics don't mix.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: catfish1957 on April 02, 2021, 08:50:48 AM
@mikezpen

Nah,the Dims never worry about tax hikes.

They just spend the money,and then rely on the Republicans who are elected to replace them to raise taxes to pay for the Dim promises.

That way the Dims look like the heroes to the perpetually clueless voters,and the Republicans look like the greedy capitalists who want to "steal the working man's paycheck" to pay for it all.

The Biden/Yellen clown show doesn't realize that their latest foray into socialism is going to run off the last bit of industrial base this country has left.  Anyone with a half a brain realizes how long a society that is "service economy only" lasts. 
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2021, 09:01:28 AM
The Biden/Yellen clown show doesn't realize that their latest foray into socialism is going to run off the last bit of industrial base this country has left.  Anyone with a half a brain realizes how long a society that is "service economy only" lasts.

@catfish1957

Of course they know this. They just don't give a squat as long as the deposit receipts in their foreign bank accounts keep showing up.

They are "Serving their country" in another sense than the one most commonly accepted.

The truth is they care nothing about no one but themselves,and this includes most of their own family members,who serve as their bagmen and take any of the blowback.

"Whut? Yew mean Hunter/Caroline/Hillary was raking in millions from selling mah gud name? Why ah nevah!"



Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: andy58-in-nh on April 02, 2021, 09:26:41 AM
@andy58-in-nh

They may be clueless,but even THEY know this,and it is the base on which their plan to take over America and turn it into one more "workers paradise" is based on.

They will never take over America until we are bankrupt,and they know it. That IS why they keep trying to do this.

@sneakypete

That is because they know that a free and prosperous people cannot be ruled.

It still somehow shocks me how Americans refuse to see an obvious truth about the Progressive Left: they oppose and despise Liberty.

However, the Left is becoming ever more vocal about their intentions, so we'll see how long it takes to wake up the non-"Woke".

In the 19th century, Karl Marx dismissed the Enlightenment concept of human liberty as a "bourgeois" fantasy and distraction.

Today's Woke Mob increasingly refers to our freedom as artifacts of "white privilege" and  "western colonialism".   

It makes me want to shake people by the shoulders:

"They are not just coming after your guns. They are coming after you."
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: rangerrebew on April 02, 2021, 02:20:41 PM
Biden, in Pennsylvania, Details $2 Trillion Infrastructure Plan
Last Updated
April 2, 2021, 1:00 p.m. ET1 hour ago
 

“It is not a plan that tinkers around the edges,” President Biden said of his proposal to fix aging bridges, roads, rail lines and utilities. He wants to pay for it by raising the corporate tax rate to 28 percent, from 21 percent.
Here’s what you need to know:

    Biden introduces his infrastructure plan, calling it ‘a once-in-a-generation investment in America.’

    House Democrats want to pass the infrastructure bill by July 4. Republicans are lining up to oppose it.

    Democrat Rita Hart ends election appeal in Iowa, sparing her party a politically awkward fight.

    Ray LaHood, Obama’s transportation secretary, failed to disclose a $50,000 check from an associate of a Lebanese-Nigerian billionaire.

    Pentagon issues new rules overturning Trump’s ban on transgender troops.

    Investigators say a Trump aide took it upon himself to award hefty pandemic contracts.

    Jill Biden visits a pop-up vaccination site for farmworkers on trip to California for César Chávez Day.

    Some major companies are denouncing Georgia’s new voting law after prominent Black executives spoke out about it.

Keep up with the new Washington — get live updates on politics.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/31/us/biden-news-today
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 02, 2021, 05:51:49 PM
And if the country continues to vote for the lesser evil the republic will fail as well. That writing is on the wall.
All that means is you are causing an acceleration of its demise.

We all die someday, but who wishes suicide to end it early?

That is what you and your ilk are doing.  And people who commit suicide are unquestionable cowards.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 05:54:57 PM
All that means is you are causing an acceleration of its demise.

We all die someday, but who wishes suicide to end it early?

That is what you and your ilk are doing.

Ilk this. Plenty of people around here completely Grok what @roamer_1 is telling you.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 06:06:46 PM
All that means is you are causing an acceleration of its demise.

We all die someday, but who wishes suicide to end it early?

That is what you and your ilk are doing.  And people who commit suicide are unquestionable cowards.

So why put off the inevitable - Because that is what you said. There is no turning it by voting for the lesser evil - all that is doing is causing the defender to grow more evil, and thus defending less and less.

When the dog don't hunt and sucks eggs, you don't wait around thinking he'll change.
You get another dog.
That's what I am doing, calling a spade a spade.
Any hope to be found is not going to be found in voting for the lesser evil.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 06:11:42 PM
they tell you the moon is just the sun at night
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Fishrrman on April 02, 2021, 06:46:10 PM
Andy wrote:
"However, the Left is becoming ever more vocal about their intentions, so we'll see how long it takes to wake up the non-"Woke"."

That's not going to matter, Andy, if the communists have successfully constructed "underground election apparati" in the necessary states so that they may "control" elections and their outcomes.

We have seen the results of such apparati in November 2020.
No doubt we will see them again in the 2022 midterms.

Lavrenty Beriea:
"Show me the man, I'll show you the crime".

Fishrrman:
"Show me the election, I'll show you the winner".
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 06:49:53 PM
Andy wrote:
"However, the Left is becoming ever more vocal about their intentions, so we'll see how long it takes to wake up the non-"Woke"."

That's not going to matter, Andy, if the communists have successfully constructed "underground election apparati" in the necessary states so that they may "control" elections and their outcomes.

We have seen the results of such apparati in November 2020.
No doubt we will see them again in the 2022 midterms.

Lavrenty Beriea:
"Show me the man, I'll show you the crime".

Fishrrman:
"Show me the election, I'll show you the winner".

I think people are too pissed for it to go on long. Especially when Kamala is sworn in.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: libertybele on April 02, 2021, 06:52:07 PM
I think people are too pissed for it to go on long. Especially when Kamala is sworn in.

People become complacent and apathetic ... this will only go on for so long. Once the multitudes can no longer feed their families, start losing their homes and jobs, then it will become a whole different ballgame.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 07:01:45 PM
People become complacent and apathetic ... this will only go on for so long. Once the multitudes can no longer feed their families, start losing their homes and jobs, then it will become a whole different ballgame.

Which, in my head, says that is about the time kamala is sworn in.

A long hot summer. (I know, sooo cliched)
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: LegalAmerican on April 02, 2021, 08:30:29 PM
 The LEFT...all, have a mental disorder.  Some call it a brain defect.  They think making us a turd world country will be great.  They think, they will still keep all of their assets and live as before.  See, the insanity?  I can prove it out.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 08:37:19 PM
The LEFT...all, have a mental disorder.  Some call it a brain defect.  They think making us a turd world country will be great.  They think, they will still keep all of their assets and live as before.  See, the insanity?  I can prove it out.

My definition of insanity is to lose/ sell your soul.

Destroy the entire foundation. Insane.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 08:40:31 PM
My definition of insanity is to lose/ sell your soul.

Destroy the entire foundation. Insane.

YES.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 02, 2021, 08:52:18 PM
YES.

Is that like a Wagnerian Götterdämmerung thing?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 08:55:01 PM
Is that like a Wagnerian Götterdämmerung thing?

Immolation?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 08:55:14 PM
Is that like a Wagnerian Götterdämmerung thing?

I think your mind sprung a brain fart and started spitting out gobbledygook somewhere in the middle there...
You oughta get that fixed...  :shrug: :whistle:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 02, 2021, 08:55:39 PM
 888high58888
I think your mind sprung a brain fart and started spitting out gobbledygook somewhere in the middle there...
You oughta get that fixed...  :shrug: :whistle:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 08:57:15 PM
I think your mind sprung a brain fart and started spitting out gobbledygook somewhere in the middle there...
You oughta get that fixed...  :shrug: :whistle:

Yep. Immolation aka shot down in flames...
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 08:59:59 PM
Yep. Immolation aka shot down in flames...

Sounds like a Bon Jovi song maybe... I dunno.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
Sounds like a Bon Jovi song maybe... I dunno.

Götterdämmerung: Immolation Scene (Richard Wagner)
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 09:04:45 PM
Götterdämmerung: Immolation Scene (Richard Wagner)

Outside of my ken. Closest I got is Waggoner Sand and Gravel Company.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 09:06:05 PM
Outside of my ken. Closest I got is Waggoner Sand and Gravel Company.

That sucks rocks.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 09:07:24 PM
That sucks rocks.

And spits em out crushed.  :yowsa:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 09:08:31 PM
And spits em out crushed.  :yowsa:

am i channeling @corbe
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 09:09:19 PM
btw... Just funnin. I DO know VOGGNER.
My Aryan friends play that sh*t all the time.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 09:10:16 PM
btw... Just funnin. I DO know VOGGNER.
My Aryan friends play that sh*t all the time.

You have white friends?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 09:12:02 PM
You have white friends?

No. They're the Mezzican ones.
I am channeling @corbe
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 09:14:03 PM
No. They're the Mezzican ones.
I am channeling @corbe

Event Horizon. run bighead run
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: LegalAmerican on April 02, 2021, 11:32:12 PM
You missed by an order of magnitude: Twenty TRILLION in four years.

Why should I vote to enable big government on the right? Because it is marginally less big government than the crats? Which it ain't so far, btw...

Not gonna happen. ever.


Aw, here you are, claiming deficit was so important to you UNDER POTUS TRUMP.  So, it was about Trump envy, as you don't seem near as excited,  upset,  with this 4 TRILLION DOLLAR SPENDING!   Not to mention the prior TRILLION bill under DEMON-RATS.  I just had to say it.   That is all I wanted to say.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 02, 2021, 11:35:46 PM
   Don't be so modest @LegalAmerican  @roamer_1 really, really dislikes ALL politicians, not just your sweet precious Trump.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 11:37:21 PM

Aw, here you are, claiming deficit was so important to you UNDER POTUS TRUMP.  So, it was about Trump envy, as you don't seem near as excited,  upset,  with this 4 TRILLION DOLLAR SPENDING!   Not to mention the prior TRILLION bill under DEMON-RATS.  I just had to say it.   That is all I wanted to say.

OF COURSE I don't like Democrat spending. And I told you so BEFORE.

Would that Republicans had instituted balanced budget moves and hauled in spending when they had ALL THREE HOUSES, LIKE REPUBLICANS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO... But they didn't. they SPENT MORE than Obummer. BY TWICE instead. So don't bawl to me about spending. You VOTED FOR IT.

I did not.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 11:38:33 PM
   Don't be so modest @LegalAmerican  @roamer_1 really, really dislikes ALL politicians, not just your sweet precious Trump.

You got that right. A pox on em all! Throw ALL the bastards out!
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 11:40:26 PM
You got that right. A pox on em all! Throw ALL the bastards out!

30 years late
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 11:41:26 PM
30 years late

Well I been screaming it for at least two decades.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 11:42:19 PM
Well I been screaming it for at least two decades.

4 here.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 11:42:33 PM
And it's never too late to start. I know, let's start NOW.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 11:44:50 PM
And it's never too late to start. I know, let's start NOW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLILV18ut8
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: LegalAmerican on April 02, 2021, 11:50:53 PM
I hope he runs.

I hope Jeb! runs.

I hope Kay-sick runs.

I hope they all get the runs.

The more that run in the primaries, the more RINO money is wasted and the more the vote is split among them and the

easier it is for Trump to secure his third nomination for his third term.

First, fix voter fraud.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: LegalAmerican on April 02, 2021, 11:58:57 PM
and for all that the ‘lesser evil’ would’ve maintained a secure border. The ‘lesser evil’ would’ve maintained $3 per gallon gas. There would be no political litmus tests or taxpayer funded gender reassignment for confused soldiers in the military, no mandatory critical race theory seminars for government employees, no growing federal persecution of political dissenters if the ‘lesser evil’ were still in the White House. Our most likely enemy wouldn’t be sh*ting on our SoS if the ‘lesser evil’ were still in the White House.


Excellent,  correct.  Some don't get it.  www.magapill.com
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 03, 2021, 12:03:14 AM
   Done a year ago.

Jethro Tull-Life is a Long Song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iggVU-__BM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iggVU-__BM)
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 03, 2021, 01:44:10 PM
I hope he runs.

I hope Jeb! runs.

I hope Kay-sick runs.

I hope they all get the runs.

The more that run in the primaries, the more RINO money is wasted and the more the vote is split among them and the easier it is for Trump to secure his third nomination for his third term.

@Sled Dog  :amen:

Preach it,brother!
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 03, 2021, 01:47:25 PM
Corporate tax increases make American-homed businesses less globally competitive, and they encourage those corporations to move manufacturing overseas. Long term, this will bring very little extra money into the government coffers and perhaps even be a net negative. Who it benefits most is Communist China.

@BassWrangler

Why,ifn ah didn't no betta,ah might spect that wuz thu plan!
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 03, 2021, 01:58:13 PM
@roamer_1  must be over the target.
He's taking a lot of flak.

He stands on a principle against big government, smaller in scope, size, and what it spends, and I had thought that all of us desired this.

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Whether D or R behind their name, there has not been a President in recent memory who has done any thing about the national debt.

@GrouchoTex

Think that just MAYBE the FACT that Presidents don't vote have anything to do with budgets other than signing them,or NOT signing them and having everything shut down?

You,thee,and everbodie else NEEDS to get mad a Congress,but nobody does because everybody wants THEIR congresscritter to spend most of his or her time proposing MASSIVE pork projects for where THEY live.

Hey,it's important because everything is about me,ME,ME,DAMMIT!


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Some said they tried, some said they wanted to, but at the end of the day, it just hasn't happened.

That's because they live in the real world of what is possible,and what is not possible.

Plus,they are Presidents,not dictators.

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The Republican presidents in my life time, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, GHWB, W, and Trump, all said they would, and none did.

Yeah,but don't worry about it. Santa is going to bring you refunds this year. Honest.

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Before you blame the democrats alone, I will kindly remind you that each President  ever elected has the right to veto any bill they disapprove of.

Resulting in what,ice cream for everyone?

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We've got to elect Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents who make this a priority, or it won't change.

The problem with that is everybody WANTS it to change,"but not in MY district!"


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Let's say for argument sake that the difference is that the Democrats run the thing up twice as fast.
It's like saying you'd rather drown in fifty feet of water, rather than one hundred.

Let's say that YOU are underwater and trying to get to the surface. Which would YOU rather be,50 feet down,or 100 feet down?


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Now, @roamer_1 is more principled than me, as I will vote the lesser of 2 evils more often than not, but he's not wrong in his assessment of the government being out of control, in my view.


No,but he IS wrong when he thinks he can hold his breath until he turns blue,and that will change it. You can't "win" unless you "play",and you will never win unless you focus on the best possible bets.

"The longest journey begins with the first step",and all dat.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 03, 2021, 02:01:53 PM
So where's everyone hiding their assets to avoid the Biden gubmint coming after them?

@mountaineer

I dunno about everybody else,but I invested all MY money in sex,drugs,and rock and  roll decades ago.

Oddly enough,it turned out to be a wise move.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 03, 2021, 02:05:25 PM
   Drugs may not be the quickest route but it is the most scenic. @sneakypete
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 03, 2021, 02:15:20 PM
The Biden/Yellen clown show doesn't realize that their latest foray into socialism is going to run off the last bit of industrial base this country has left.  Anyone with a half a brain realizes how long a society that is "service economy only" lasts.

@catfish1957

They are going to get THEIR cut of the future profits and will live in palaces,so WTH does anyone think THEY are going to care what happens to the peons.

The ironic part is that in another 10 years or less the illegal aliens will be moving back to where they came from because it will be easier for them to earn a living there.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 03, 2021, 02:17:12 PM
Ilk this. Plenty of people around here completely Grok what @roamer_1 is telling you.

@bigheadfred

Uhhh,yeah!

I think.

Maybe.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 03, 2021, 02:19:24 PM
I think people are too pissed for it to go on long. Especially when Kamala is sworn in.

@bigheadfred

What do THEY care?

They have big-ass fences protecting them where they work,and they are guarded by the freaking army.

As soon as the threats start coming in hot and heavy,the neighborhoods were they live will have the same fences and be guarded by the army,too.

After all,they are "special",so why not?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 03, 2021, 02:22:59 PM
   Drugs may not be the quickest route but it is the most scenic. @sneakypete

@corbe

AMEN!
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 03, 2021, 10:54:17 PM
So why put off the inevitable - Because that is what you said. There is no turning it by voting for the lesser evil - all that is doing is causing the defender to grow more evil, and thus defending less and less.
So put the knife to your throat and do it, as you see the inevitable death anyway,

And BTW, you are the one who said that first, so stop the placing words in the mouths of others.

I don't do suicides.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 03, 2021, 11:10:58 PM
So put the knife to your throat and do it, as you see the inevitable death anyway,

And BTW, you are the one who said that first, so stop the placing words in the mouths of others.

I don't do suicides.

I see that the other way around, your knife to the throat is a feckless party that hasn't done a damn thing in thirty years.
When the ONLY thing that will turn this around is Conservatism, and the Republican party has not won a single issue for Conservatism in thirty-plus years, there is not a single tooth in that dog's mouth.

FURTHERMORE, When Republicans have become a proponent of big-government, every bit as much as the Democrats, to the order of tens of trillions of dollars in spending, your argument deflates entirely.

If what we are shooting for is small government the Republicans are of no avail.

So regardless of what is coming, when the one who is supposed to rise and defend has not and does not do so, then there is no warrant for support. You can point at Democrats and screech all day long. Doesn't mean sh*t if your feckless party ain't going to do anything anyway.

Not only do nothing, but actually HELP the liberals - Go look at what passed as law with Republicans holding BOTH houses, and then for the next two years holding the Senate, AND And and... with the so-called 'most conservative president evah' presiding... Go look at that and know what a joke it is.

If that is what you propose as opposition to the liberal, you've got another think coming.
The liberals are winning because they have NO opposition.
I refuse to support that anymore. And i never will again.

You want my vote? Show me the damn money. Put up or shut up.
You've got nothing in three decades, and you've got nothing now.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 04, 2021, 03:05:03 PM
I see that the other way around, your knife to the throat is a feckless party that hasn't done a damn thing in thirty years.
When the ONLY thing that will turn this around is Conservatism, and the Republican party has not won a single issue for Conservatism in thirty-plus years, there is not a single tooth in that dog's mouth.

FURTHERMORE, When Republicans have become a proponent of big-government, every bit as much as the Democrats, to the order of tens of trillions of dollars in spending, your argument deflates entirely.

If what we are shooting for is small government the Republicans are of no avail.

So regardless of what is coming, when the one who is supposed to rise and defend has not and does not do so, then there is no warrant for support. You can point at Democrats and screech all day long. Doesn't mean sh*t if your feckless party ain't going to do anything anyway.

Not only do nothing, but actually HELP the liberals - Go look at what passed as law with Republicans holding BOTH houses, and then for the next two years holding the Senate, AND And and... with the so-called 'most conservative president evah' presiding... Go look at that and know what a joke it is.

If that is what you propose as opposition to the liberal, you've got another think coming.
The liberals are winning because they have NO opposition.
I refuse to support that anymore. And i never will again.

You want my vote? Show me the damn money. Put up or shut up.
You've got nothing in three decades, and you've got nothing now.
"He's dead, Jim"
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 04, 2021, 09:13:53 PM
"He's dead, Jim"

Nah. He's right, Jim.
And you know it.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: GrouchoTex on April 06, 2021, 01:14:14 PM
@sneakypete

Of course, the President is not a dictator and all spending bills come to him from Congress.
But once, just once, wouldn't you like to see a President veto one of these boondoggles, kick it back up the hill, and say, "Nope, not signing it. Too much spending".
I won't hold my breathe watching for it, but everyone of them has had that opportunity.

I am not sure what ice cream has to do with vetoes....

As far as my refund goes, I try to get as little as possible, or on the flip-side, owe them as little as possible.

I'm not a big fan of what they are doing with my  money.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 06, 2021, 06:53:31 PM
@sneakypete

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Of course, the President is not a dictator and all spending bills come to him from Congress.I
But once, just once, wouldn't you like to see a President veto one of these boondoggles, kick it back up the hill, and say, "Nope, not signing it. Too much spending".

@Grouch oTex

I can't remember which one it was,but I do remember one doing just that. Probably Reagan or Trump.
I won't hold my breathe watching for it, but everyone of them has had that opportunity.



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I am not sure what ice cream has to do with vetoes....

Context,my man,context.


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As far as my refund goes, I try to get as little as possible, or on the flip-side, owe them as little as possible.

Smart move.


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I'm not a big fan of what they are doing with my  money.


Nobody is,but it seems like everybody is a fan of what they do with everyone else's money.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 06, 2021, 07:02:34 PM
I see that the other way around, your knife to the throat is a feckless party that hasn't done a damn thing in thirty years.
When the ONLY thing that will turn this around is Conservatism, and the Republican party has not won a single issue for Conservatism in thirty-plus years, there is not a single tooth in that dog's mouth.

FURTHERMORE, When Republicans have become a proponent of big-government, every bit as much as the Democrats, to the order of tens of trillions of dollars in spending, your argument deflates entirely.

If what we are shooting for is small government the Republicans are of no avail.

So regardless of what is coming, when the one who is supposed to rise and defend has not and does not do so, then there is no warrant for support. You can point at Democrats and screech all day long. Doesn't mean sh*t if your feckless party ain't going to do anything anyway.

Not only do nothing, but actually HELP the liberals - Go look at what passed as law with Republicans holding BOTH houses, and then for the next two years holding the Senate, AND And and... with the so-called 'most conservative president evah' presiding... Go look at that and know what a joke it is.

If that is what you propose as opposition to the liberal, you've got another think coming.
The liberals are winning because they have NO opposition.
I refuse to support that anymore. And i never will again.

You want my vote? Show me the damn money. Put up or shut up.
You've got nothing in three decades, and you've got nothing now.

If what we are shooting for is small government the Republicans are of no avail.


That is the problem. No one is doing any shooting.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: LMAO on April 06, 2021, 07:43:11 PM


But once, just once, wouldn't you like to see a President veto one of these boondoggles, kick it back up the hill, and say, "Nope, not signing it. Too much spending".

I think the last president to VETO a spending bill was Clinton(?)

Trump didn't even pretend to be concerned about debt or deficits
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 06, 2021, 09:45:26 PM

If what we are shooting for is small government the Republicans are of no avail.


That is the problem. No one is doing any shooting.

Give it a minute. Because if we keep going like we are, it is surely coming.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: sneakypete on April 07, 2021, 09:48:12 AM
I think the last president to VETO a spending bill was Clinton(?)

Trump didn't even pretend to be concerned about debt or deficits

@LMAO

There are only so many hours in the day,and so many battles you can fight at once,and his "fight card" was already full.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: verga on April 07, 2021, 10:49:58 AM
@Bigun

Tax increases NEVER raise what they project because they are based on static revenue analysis, i.e.-  the assumption that changes in tax rates will not alter taxpayer behavior in a quantifiable way.

Progressives adhere to this way of thinking not because they believe it, but because it is politically useful.
Exactly correct. George Bush promised no new taxes. Then placed a tax on new Luxury Yachts. The uber wealthy immediately stopped purchasing them. This resulted in the loss of jobs for thousands of Middle class boat builders that had been employed in their manufacture. The net result was a loss in tax revenue and loss of employment for the men and women employed in the industry.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: verga on April 07, 2021, 10:53:35 AM
I gotta feelin' that this is gonna be one of those bills with hundreds of pages of stuff you're not findin' out about until it's too late.

And that specifically includes tax increases...
Exactly like Obozo's Shovel ready jobs.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 07, 2021, 10:54:48 AM
I see that the other way around, your knife to the throat is a feckless party that hasn't done a damn thing in thirty years.


Prevented the Harridan Administration from existing.

Grew the economy.

Middle-class tax cuts.

Lowest black unemployment rate ever.

Built the wall.

Told China to stuff it.

Got NATO paid instead of Clinton laid.

ENERGY INDEPENDENCE.

Rolled back regulations.

Returned manufacturing to the US.

And he did that ALL BY HIMSELF, because of traitors we could name want the Rodents to win.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 07, 2021, 11:05:20 AM
Ilk this. Plenty of people around here completely Grok what @roamer_1 is telling you.

Yes, we most certainly do.

He's telling us that holding our breath and turning "blue" is the ONLY thing that a Principled Conservative will do unless the candidate is 100.000000000000000000000000000000% Aryan Pure.

He's telling us that the Never Trumpers really do exist in a idea-sterile plastic bubble of ineffectuality and that their religion is the ONLY True Religion and they damn well lack the imagination and maturity to realize that if not all roads lead to Amber, there's certainly more than one road to get there, but what they don't see is that road they want to travel doesn't get there at all.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 01:36:54 PM
Prevented the Harridan Administration from existing.

No he didn't. It went underground.

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Grew the economy.

Are you friggin NUTS? COVID LOCKDOWN. He shut the country off. He shut it FRIGGIN OFF!

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Middle-class tax cuts.

Without spending cuts. That means inflating the dollar. SO now you pay more by way of money being worth less.
whoopee.

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Lowest black unemployment rate ever.

Not for long.

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Built the wall.

What, a couple hundred miles more than what was already slated for repair? And how much is LEFT to build?I am just a dumb redneck, but around here we don't figure a fence is done until you can't walk around it.

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Told China to stuff it.

To what advantage now?

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Got NATO paid instead of Clinton laid.

No. Not really. GO see what Nato ACTUALLY got paid.

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ENERGY INDEPENDENCE.

HE SHUT IT FRIGGIN ~OFF~ Where is that independence NOW?

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Rolled back regulations.

A pittance at best.

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Returned manufacturing to the US.
]

Howabout NOW?

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And he did that ALL BY HIMSELF, because of traitors we could name want the Rodents to win.

I don't give a single sh*t about your sniveling. I care about results. If he was betrayed, the problem is letting those in that betrayed him. That's your fault. Even if I accepted half of the nonsense you're dropping your panties for, which I really don't, YOU GOT NOTHING. It's ALL GONE. None of it was permanent. NONE.
That is called a waste of time.

Even if he were the messiah you consider him SO WHAT? You STILL got NOTHING.
You can swoon and mourn and bawl your eyes out, but the point is the only truth. YOU_GOT_NOTHING.

My God, y'all. It's like a frat party, and now you got the hangover.
You still don't understand, because you are all pissed at me for harming the virtue of Orange_Man_Great.
That ain't the point.
The point is that you got nothing.
And that is your own fault. Not mine.

Well roamer, you go to war with the army you have...
NOW DO YOU HEAR ME? The army you have is what cut your throat and stabbed you in the back.

Y'alls entire way of voting brought this on.. Y'all DID this.
Even if your messiah was a messiah (which is bullcrap), Your own party cut him to pieces. That's YOUR fault.

But y'all won't hear me. watch and see Y'all will do it all again next time... Exactly the same way.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 01:47:12 PM
Yes, we most certainly do.

He's telling us that holding our breath and turning "blue" is the ONLY thing that a Principled Conservative will do unless the candidate is 100.000000000000000000000000000000% Aryan Pure.

Absolute horseshit.
I stand upon the things y'all say you defend.
Which of them will be thrown under the bus NEXT TIME to absolutely no avail.
Y'all defend nothing without defending all. That is the very POINT of Conservatism in politics - To strengthen each faction the other. That is what you will not do.

That is not purity. It is not hard to find a candidate that will work for all the factions. That's all you need to do.
But y'all won't. You compromise and lose every time. Even when you win.

The purity you discard is the very agreement between Conservative factions. The very things that bind us together.
I will never agree to that. And why would I? it never works anyway.

YOU GOT NOTHING.

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He's telling us that the Never Trumpers really do exist in a idea-sterile plastic bubble of ineffectuality and that their religion is the ONLY True Religion and they damn well lack the imagination and maturity to realize that if not all roads lead to Amber, there's certainly more than one road to get there, but what they don't see is that road they want to travel doesn't get there at all.

WHO IS INEFFECTIVE?

Y'all are ~YOU GOT NOTHING~
And compromised to get it.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Killer Clouds on April 07, 2021, 03:00:34 PM
I am just a dumb redneck.
That is the only truthful thing you stated in that whole BS lying rant.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 03:40:59 PM
That is the only truthful thing you stated in that whole BS lying rant.

There isn't a single lie in there. Not a one,

You got nothing.

Less 'purity'==More RINOs.
Make up your damn minds.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Killer Clouds on April 07, 2021, 03:46:06 PM
There isn't a single lie in there. Not a one,

You got nothing.

Less 'purity'==More RINOs.
Make up your damn minds.
It was all lies except you admitting you're a stupid redneck. Go back to the corner where you sit in rhe land of make believe with your liberal buddies and STFU.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: libertybele on April 07, 2021, 03:51:36 PM
As @roamer_1 has pointed out several times ; the GOP offers NO OPPOSITION!!! I absolutely agree.  They may rant and rave, but when push comes to shove they do nothing.  The GOP had the SUPER majority for years and did nothing. They made no headway, the only headway that they made was to empower the liberals even more.

I will not vote for anyone who is not a conservative and I have ALWAYS voted for the candidate that I thought would move this country in a positive direction -- even if it means voting 3rd party.

Until conservatives find a way to prevent another election from being stolen all talk about the future of the GOP in 2022 is nothing but a bunch of hot air and it's like watching a hamster spin its wheel inside his cage.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 03:54:29 PM
It was all lies except you admitting you're a stupid redneck. Go back to the corner where you sit in rhe land of make believe with your liberal buddies and STFU.

Prove it. You can't. Because what I said is exactly so.
ALL of it for nothing. Every bit of it, gone like the smoke it always was.
As I said, all the way along.

That is why executive orders don't count.
That is why RINO Republicans ain't better than Democrats. They make your party incapable of fighting anything.
That is why Republicans have not won on a single Conservative issue IN MY LIFE.

And that you can't see that is exactly why they will continue to do exactly the same thing all over again.

Y'all FAILED bigly - as predicted from the start.

You got nothing.
The ball moved Left
And
Y'all learned nothing.
And you'll do it all again.
Populism. BAH.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 04:03:45 PM
it's like watching a hamster spin its wheel inside his cage.

And nothing will change form it @libertybele , watch and see.
That is why I am a Republican no longer.
It's all baloney.
They offer no opposition, and almost never have.

And liberalism makes striding gains even in the administration of 'the most conservative president evah'  *****rollingeyes***** **nononono*
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 04:15:25 PM
It was all lies except you admitting you're a stupid redneck. Go back to the corner where you sit in rhe land of make believe with your liberal buddies and STFU.

C'mon, man!  The Mods really hate it when they have to slap members.  It's the worst part of the gig.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 04:20:58 PM
And nothing will change form it @libertybele , watch and see.
That is why I am a Republican no longer.
It's all baloney.
They offer no opposition, and almost never have.

And liberalism makes striding gains even in the administration of 'the most conservative president evah'  *****rollingeyes***** **nononono*

Well, I am not giving up on them just yet.  I got a second wind when I became a geezer, retired, and moved to a County full of like-minded people.  The folks started off pizzed at the Governor and AG let the Rats get away with stealing the AZ election, but since then we're outnumbering the Rats in voter registration by many times (In a one month period, the AZ State GOP picked up 11,000 new registrants, and the Rats got about 1,800). 

This is not the sound of feet running out of the building.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 04:27:29 PM
Well, I am not giving up on them just yet.  I got a second wind when I became a geezer, retired, and moved to a County full of like-minded people.  The folks started off pizzed at the Governor and AG let the Rats get away with stealing the AZ election, but since then we're outnumbering the Rats in voter registration by many times (In a one month period, the AZ State GOP picked up 11,000 new registrants, and the Rats got about 1,800). 

This is not the sound of feet running out of the building.

And you'll do fine. The problem is not in Conservative strongholds in rural states.
And more power to ya, by the way. You'd have my vote anytime.
Because I WILL vote for Conservatives, any time I can.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 04:39:53 PM
And you'll do fine. The problem is not in Conservative strongholds in rural states.
And more power to ya, by the way. You'd have my vote anytime.
Because I WILL vote for Conservatives, any time I can.

Let's see if my optimism survives the weekend.  I have a GOP State Executive Board meeting in Tucson, so I'll be facing off with the RINOs in Phoenix and Tucson.  I like the playing field, because Mohave County has the same number of voting members as Maricopa.  Three, and I'm the sled dog with a view.

Let's see if the tail can wag that ol' dawg.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 04:48:30 PM
Let's see if my optimism survives the weekend.  I have a GOP State Executive Board meeting in Tucson, so I'll be facing off with the RINOs in Phoenix and Tucson.  I like the playing field, because Mohave County has the same number of voting members as Maricopa.  Three, and I'm the sled dog with a view.

Let's see if the tail can wag that ol' dawg.

Like I said, more power to you. But face it. Phoenix and Tucson own AZ. Likely the best you can do is buttress what you can against them. If you do that much you will have done more than most. But state houses and federal elections... Unless you can set up something like an electoral college for your state it will go the same way as CA and IL. The fat population centers have al the advantage.

Same here btw. Butte/Bozeman/Billings, Great Falls, Helena, and Missoula run the state. there ain't nothing for it. And they are all liberal strongholds.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 05:24:31 PM
Like I said, more power to you. But face it. Phoenix and Tucson own AZ. Likely the best you can do is buttress what you can against them. If you do that much you will have done more than most. But state houses and federal elections... Unless you can set up something like an electoral college for your state it will go the same way as CA and IL. The fat population centers have al the advantage.

Same here btw. Butte/Bozeman/Billings, Great Falls, Helena, and Missoula run the state. there ain't nothing for it. And they are all liberal strongholds.

That's an age-old problem.  Here, Phoenix was a reliable R base not many years ago.  They can be moved, but Pima County (Tucson) has been a hopeless wreck since I relocated to AZ in 1980.

It's very helpful that Kelli Ward, the State Chairman, is from Lake Havasu City (just down the Colorado River from Bullhead City, in my County).  After I get elected First Vice Chairman of the County, she cornered me and told me she'd better be seeing my ass (and hearing my mouth) in these state board meetings.  I had a nice chat with her at the fundraising dinner we had in Laughlin, and she heard some of my worthless advice.  I say "heard" because she checked what I suggested, and that defeated her enemies efforts to throw her out of her Chair.  I'm a quick study of Bylaws.

I'd bet some money dear friend Kelli is going to owe me something after this weekend.  Don't ask, it's complicated....
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 05:44:42 PM
she cornered me and told me she'd better be seeing my ass (and hearing my mouth) in these state board meetings..

Well if you're the kind to show em your ass, you've definitely got my vote.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 05:50:50 PM
Well if you're the kind to show em your ass, you've definitely got my vote.  :laugh:

I've been told it's nice, so when I'm not wearing a suit it will be jeans when we do the border tour.   wink777
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 05:55:00 PM
Yes, we most certainly do.

He's telling us that holding our breath and turning "blue" is the ONLY thing that a Principled Conservative will do unless the candidate is 100.000000000000000000000000000000% Aryan Pure.

He's telling us that the Never Trumpers really do exist in a idea-sterile plastic bubble of ineffectuality and that their religion is the ONLY True Religion and they damn well lack the imagination and maturity to realize that if not all roads lead to Amber, there's certainly more than one road to get there, but what they don't see is that road they want to travel doesn't get there at all.

I'm 100% Aryan. But you probably don't understand that.

Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: skeeter on April 07, 2021, 05:57:15 PM
Well if you're the kind to show em your ass, you've definitely got my vote.  :laugh:
Mine too, but I don't know why @Cyber Liberty doesn't go for the top spot now since he's got the State Chairman on a sexual harassment rap.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 05:58:26 PM
Mine too, but I don't know why @Cyber Liberty doesn't go for the top spot now since he's got the State Chairman on a sexual harassment rap.

You mean show his hairy ass?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 05:58:40 PM
Mine too, but I don't know why @Cyber Liberty doesn't go for the top spot now since he's got the State Chairman on a sexual harassment rap.

:mauslaff:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: skeeter on April 07, 2021, 06:02:34 PM
You mean show his hairy ass?
No, jeans are fine. The seatless chaps are a California thing.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 06:04:25 PM
No, jeans are fine. The seatless chaps are a California thing.

Then show us yours.   :whistle:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 06:05:16 PM
You mean show his hairy ass?

I got that covered.  I had it waxed yesterday.  I'm nobody's fool.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 06:07:38 PM
You mean show his hairy ass?

How do you know Fred? May be he shaves.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 06:09:18 PM
I got that covered.  I had it waxed yesterday.  I'm nobody's fool.

Well if you get to drop trou.... Make sure you have a bowtie and a party favor properly installed.

Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 06:10:00 PM
How do you know Fred? May be he shaves.  :whistle:

Is this one of those flavored condom things?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: skeeter on April 07, 2021, 06:10:18 PM
Then show us yours.   :whistle:
OK. But I'm expensive.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 06:13:37 PM
Is this one of those flavored condom things?

I wouldn't know.  :shrug: :seeya:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 06:15:12 PM
No, jeans are fine. The seatless chaps are a California thing.

Assless chaps... Get it right.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 06:19:03 PM
I know some of y'all think I'm kidding, but I really do have an executive meeting with the State GOP this weekend.

I once shared some of my goings on with Sanguine, and she said I "sure do have interesting things happen to me."  I thought she was being mean.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 06:21:21 PM
I know some of y'all think I'm kidding, but I really do have an executive meeting with the State GOP this weekend.


Oh I believe that alright. I don't believe you waxed your butt for the occasion though.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 06:22:02 PM
OK. But I'm expensive.

What isn't there?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 06:24:05 PM
Oh I believe that alright. I don't believe you waxed your butt for the occasion though.

No, I didn't.  But I did get a haircut.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: skeeter on April 07, 2021, 06:25:16 PM
Assless chaps... Get it right.
Its not the chaps its how you fill em out.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 06:25:49 PM
No, I didn't.  But I did get a haircut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0cIxyh-mVQ
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 06:28:49 PM
Its not the chaps its how you fill em out.

As a cowboy that term (assless chaps) was funny as all get out. Everybody getting all verklempt, when ALL chaps are assless... It aint the chaps that were the problem.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 06:38:19 PM
As a cowboy that term (assless chaps) was funny as all get out. Everybody getting all verklempt, when ALL chaps are assless... It aint the chaps that were the problem.

Right. Not the chaps. The wimmin.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Bigun on April 07, 2021, 06:40:51 PM
As a cowboy that term (assless chaps) was funny as all get out. Everybody getting all verklempt, when ALL chaps are assless... It aint the chaps that were the problem.

Yes! They are all assless but down here in brush country most folks wear them over their jeans!

I'm ROFLMFAO after reading the last several posts here.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 06:43:13 PM
BOYOBOY did I steer this straight into the crapper or what?  And by an attempt to talk party politics, to boot!

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/schwans.web.products/mrs-smiths/4010388.jpg)
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 07, 2021, 06:46:19 PM
   It was either this or that woman still hawking the Trump suppositories' on the other thread.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 06:47:31 PM
Yes! They are all assless but down here in brush country most folks wear them over their jeans!

I'm ROFLMFAO after reading the last several posts here.

"Most" equals "all" in any meaningful measurement.   :laugh:

Saddling up without the jeans is far, far beyond "infant stupid."  The IQ would have to be a negative number for somebody that thinks that would be a glorious idea.

But, even though I'll be not far from Tombstone, chaps will not be worn by Cyber.  I don't even have any.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: skeeter on April 07, 2021, 06:47:43 PM
BOYOBOY did I steer this straight into the crapper or what?  And by an attempt to talk party politics, to boot!

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/schwans.web.products/mrs-smiths/4010388.jpg)
You just make sure Ms Kelli gets a copy of the thread. Our voices need to be heard.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 06:49:09 PM
Oh boy! I am having fun now... Got a phone scammer OTP... I am hackin him. Called the wrong dude man. BRB.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 06:52:03 PM
BOYOBOY did I steer this straight into the crapper or what?  And by an attempt to talk party politics, to boot!

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/schwans.web.products/mrs-smiths/4010388.jpg)

Das boot.

That ship has sailed.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: catfish1957 on April 07, 2021, 06:54:11 PM
Oh boy! I am having fun now... Got a phone scammer OTP... I am hackin him. Called the wrong dude man. BRB.

If you are really into that, check this guy out.  Kit is best Scam Baiter, bar none.
[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm22FAXZMw1BaWeFszZxUKw (https://[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm22FAXZMw1BaWeFszZxUKw)
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 07, 2021, 07:00:45 PM
You just make sure Ms Kelli gets a copy of the thread. Our voices need to be heard.

I use the same voice speaking with her that I use here with my friends.  What you see is what you get....lol
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 07:01:57 PM
robocallers must be bidens comms unit. They be taxing me.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 07:04:03 PM
I use the same voice speaking with her that I use here with my friends.  What you see is what you get....lol

She is prolly used to it. That "same" voice, I mean.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 07:05:22 PM
Oh boy! I am having fun now... Got a phone scammer OTP... I am hackin him. Called the wrong dude man. BRB.

Get me a PS5 while you have the chance.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 07:56:03 PM
If you are really into that, check this guy out.  Kit is best Scam Baiter, bar none.
[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm22FAXZMw1BaWeFszZxUKw (https://[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm22FAXZMw1BaWeFszZxUKw)

Thanks, it's in my queue. It ain't that I am 'into it' as much as somebody has to push back. And getting on teamviewer with me is probably going to be a mistake. It was fun. Made my whole day. There's something about the smell of nuked phone-scammer machines that just gives me the fizz.  :silly: :cool:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 08:06:26 PM
Get me a PS5 while you have the chance.

Sure. All I need is your legal name, your social security number, and your bank account number and I will send it right over.  :laugh: :seeya:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 08:07:10 PM
Sure. All I need is your legal name, your social security number, and your bank account number and I will send it right over.  :laugh: :seeya:

AGAIN?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 07, 2021, 08:19:25 PM
No he didn't. It went underground.

The PC Permanent Whine about treason.    Since they won't vote against it, it's always going to be there for them to whine about.  How could the NT's lose on this issue, right?

Anyway, the Harridan Administration didn't happen.

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Are you friggin NUTS? COVID LOCKDOWN. He shut the country off. He shut it FRIGGIN OFF!

He was following the advice of the RINOs you admire so dearly.  Why are you whining about it?

At least he recognized the error of his way when he realized the Rodents were going to try to make this a permanent condition.   The original estimates were only for a few weeks, tops.

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Without spending cuts. That means inflating the dollar. SO now you pay more by way of money being worth less.
whoopee.

Don't worry, son.  The adults in the room both voted for Trump AND they understand how national budgets are created.

You just do like you promise you're going to do and stay far far away from any ballots and we grown-ups will fix things once we get all the damned crying children out of the way.

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What, a couple hundred miles more than what was already slated for repair? And how much is LEFT to build?I am just a dumb redneck, but around here we don't figure a fence is done until you can't walk around it.

Yes, we know that the Harridan was going to do the right thing and seal the border with anti-personnel land-mines, attack-drones and automatic machine guns.   At least that's what would have happened if I was running things.

So you prefer getting NO miles of new fence and NO repairs to existing fencing.   

It must be embarrassing to be so PC.

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To what advantage now?

Yes, having elections STOLEN in the Biggest Voter Fraud Operation In History sure puts a stop to historic success, doesn't it?

You must be so happy Orange-Man Bad is defeated.   

And as a Syracuse University graduate I take offense to the whole racist scheme against Orange-People, let me tell you.

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I don't give a single sh*t about your sniveling. I care about results. If he was betrayed, the problem is letting those in that betrayed him. That's your fault. Even if I accepted half of the nonsense you're dropping your panties for, which I really don't, YOU GOT NOTHING. It's ALL GONE. None of it was permanent. NONE.
That is called a waste of time.

The Sniveler is the one still whining about the friggin' BUDGET as if that's the ONLY thing that matters, as if the PRESIDENT was in charge of writing the thing.

Sheesh.   Learn some civics.

Nothings permanent, and then you die.

"...then you look down and see you still got your legs, so get up and fight and seize the day..." - Best Day by The Real McKenzies.

QUIT yer whining.

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Even if he were the messiah you consider him SO WHAT? You STILL got NOTHING.
You can swoon and mourn and bawl your eyes out, but the point is the only truth. YOU_GOT_NOTHING.

Yeah, too bad all those RINOs in the Senate didn't do anything useful...like getting out and helping.

Speaking of the budget...who was Sleazer of the House shepherding Trump's first budget through in 2017?

RINO Ryan is one of YOUR people.  A whiny Never Trumping anti-American back-stabbing traitor.   Just like EVERY "Principled Conservative" ever know.  No principles except themselves, and no conservatism, either.  But, hey, ignore how budgets are REALLY made, just blame Trump.

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My God, y'all. It's like a frat party, and now you got the hangover.
You still don't understand, because you are all pissed at me for harming the virtue of Orange_Man_Great.
That ain't the point.
The point is that you got nothing.
And that is your own fault. Not mine.

Yes, we're sure you're ecstatic that the Rodents STOLE the election.

Americans, of course, are totally pissed.  But you're happy and just don't understand what it's all about.

Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 08:22:49 PM
Trump gave people belief in themselves.

Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 08:25:52 PM
AGAIN?

Just this once more... I promise.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 07, 2021, 08:26:20 PM
Absolute horseshit.
I stand upon the things y'all say you defend.

No.  You can't defend by aiding the enemy, and that's what you're doing.  So where you're standing is on the Neck of Liberty.

Good job.

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WHO IS INEFFECTIVE?

Certainly not the PC RINOs.  Their goal is the destruction of the American middle-class and the re-imposition of serfdom, and they've found a class of idiots who Stand around strangling the very thing the RINOs want to kill.

So you're very effective.


Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 08:28:27 PM
No.  You can't defend by aiding the enemy, and that's what you're doing.  So where you're standing is on the Neck of Liberty.

Good job.

Certainly not the PC RINOs.  Their goal is the destruction of the American middle-class and the re-imposition of serfdom, and they've found a class of idiots who Stand around strangling the very thing the RINOs want to kill.

So you're very effective.

Black Helicopters. At 3 a.m.

Sled dog. @roamer_1 is your best weapon in this fight. I should know. He is like me. Live free. Peace out...teehee

My choice is some little thing called mass murder. Not BS talk. What do they know? I call it cleaning house. In a big house.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 08:28:35 PM
Yes! They are all assless but down here in brush country most folks wear them over their jeans!

I'm ROFLMFAO after reading the last several posts here.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: libertybele on April 07, 2021, 08:30:36 PM
Trump gave people belief in themselves.

Something that I had not realized, but you are absolutely right.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 08:31:54 PM
If you are really into that, check this guy out.  Kit is best Scam Baiter, bar none.
[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm22FAXZMw1BaWeFszZxUKw (https://[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm22FAXZMw1BaWeFszZxUKw)

HA! I know that guy... I have seen him before. His old lady voice is priceless!  :beer:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 07, 2021, 08:32:16 PM
Trump gave people belief in themselves.

No.

Trump showed the lie of the people who said those who stand for the American Way (not "Stand"...see my previous post) are primitive barbarians (some demented fool recently labeled them as "Neanderthals", but some female with a mattress on her back shushed him...).

Trump merely told the Americans that they're right to be Americans and all they needed was someone to fight for them, not to Stand on them.

The people busy Standing around supporting the enema ....er enemy, are those people who are not only ashamed to be thought of as an American, but willing to help the people dragging America down, using Aryan Purity tests as their excuse.  They don't want to admit that curing cancer takes time and effort, when it can be done at all.   They're cheering for the tumor and bumping the surgeon's elbow, happily so, in fact.

Anyone see these PC NT clowns complain about the Traitor they helped steal the election?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 08:34:56 PM
No.

Trump showed the lie of the people who said those who stand for the American Way (not "Stand"...see my previous post) are primitive barbarians (some demented fool recently labeled them as "Neanderthals", but some female with a mattress on her back shushed him...).

Trump merely told the Americans that they're right to be Americans and all they needed was someone to fight for them, not to Stand on them.

The people busy Standing around supporting the enema ....er enemy, are those people who are not only ashamed to be thought of as an American, but willing to help the people dragging America down, using Aryan Purity tests as their excuse.  They don't want to admit that curing cancer takes time and effort, when it can be done at all.   They're cheering for the tumor and bumping the surgeon's elbow, happily so, in fact.

Anyone see these PC NT clowns complain about the Traitor they helped steal the election?

Yes.

Trump merely told the Americans that they're right to be Americans...your words. Believe in themselves.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 08:39:59 PM
No.  You can't defend by aiding the enemy, and that's what you're doing.  So where you're standing is on the Neck of Liberty.

Good job.

No, I am just not aiding YOU. There is a difference.


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Certainly not the PC RINOs.  Their goal is the destruction of the American middle-class and the re-imposition of serfdom, and they've found a class of idiots who Stand around strangling the very thing the RINOs want to kill.

So you're very effective.

LOL! It is not me that put those RINOs in there. That'd be y'all.
You don't like em? Vote em out. But you won't. You never do... Because Democrats.  :silly:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 07, 2021, 08:40:29 PM
As @roamer_1 has pointed out several times ; the GOP offers NO OPPOSITION!!! I absolutely agree.  They may rant and rave, but when push comes to shove they do nothing.  The GOP had the SUPER majority for years and did nothing. They made no headway, the only headway that they made was to empower the liberals even more.

I will not vote for anyone who is not a conservative and I have ALWAYS voted for the candidate that I thought would move this country in a positive direction -- even if it means voting 3rd party.

Until conservatives find a way to prevent another election from being stolen all talk about the future of the GOP in 2022 is nothing but a bunch of hot air and it's like watching a hamster spin its wheel inside his cage.

Those HACKS are not "the GOP".  Those are the deceiving fools who got elected by lying to the GOP voters and then abusing them. 

Ever read "Animal Farm"?   The Stalinistic Pigs were quite happy to lie to the animals to get them to work, and the stolid old horse was one who Truly Believed, and the Pigs took advantage of him and worked him to death then callously sold him to the knackers. 

Today's RINO's are those same Stalinist pigs, and their Useful Idiot Principled Conservative Never Trumping jerk butt-lickers are more than happy to pretend its "the GOP" that's the problem, when the problem is the RINOs and the PC NT's.

The GOP membership exists to put Americans into office, and they can't do that if fools insist on giving up and quitting.

The other thing to note, of course, is that quitting is exactly what the Enemy wants you to do.   

The only "purity" I expect from a conservative candidate is to be militantly Right to Life, to be militantly free market and to be most militantly pro-defense and anti-Invasion.    The budget cannot be fixed until we get enough of these kinds of people in office, and we can't get them elected if we run off and pout like the PC NT BL's want us to do.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 08:42:14 PM
here it is

do for your self

have a plan to kill every one you meet
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 07, 2021, 08:42:49 PM
Let's see if my optimism survives the weekend.  I have a GOP State Executive Board meeting in Tucson, so I'll be facing off with the RINOs in Phoenix and Tucson.  I like the playing field, because Mohave County has the same number of voting members as Maricopa.  Three, and I'm the sled dog with a view.

Let's see if the tail can wag that ol' dawg.

Do what the real sled dogs do.   Poop on those behind while running full out.   
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 07, 2021, 08:44:58 PM
I'm 100% Aryan. But you probably don't understand that.

Iranians are Aryan, too.

What's not to understand?

I'm likely 50% Aryan and 50% Celtic.   I posted that as a dig at the whiners protesting Trump's lack of "purity" as if they're all waiting for Jesus to come again before they support a candidate.

Then, of course, they'll support the other guy.   Goes without having to be said.  We know what they want.

Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 08:45:14 PM
Do what the real sled dogs do.   Poop on those behind while running full out.

See? We agree. Live free. yer gona die anyway
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 07, 2021, 08:51:41 PM
No, I am just not aiding YOU. There is a difference.

Actually, there's not.

The time is past when gathering splinters with your ass is acceptable.

Didn't this thread just suffer a whole page on the benefits of chaps without pants?

Hmmmm?

So, you're not straddling any fences and you're not on America's side.

Period.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 08:55:01 PM
The PC Permanent Whine about treason.    Since they won't vote against it, it's always going to be there for them to whine about.  How could the NT's lose on this issue, right?

Anyway, the Harridan Administration didn't happen.

He was following the advice of the RINOs you admire so dearly.  Why are you whining about it?

At least he recognized the error of his way when he realized the Rodents were going to try to make this a permanent condition.   The original estimates were only for a few weeks, tops.

Don't worry, son.  The adults in the room both voted for Trump AND they understand how national budgets are created.

You just do like you promise you're going to do and stay far far away from any ballots and we grown-ups will fix things once we get all the damned crying children out of the way.

Yes, we know that the Harridan was going to do the right thing and seal the border with anti-personnel land-mines, attack-drones and automatic machine guns.   At least that's what would have happened if I was running things.

So you prefer getting NO miles of new fence and NO repairs to existing fencing.   

It must be embarrassing to be so PC.

Yes, having elections STOLEN in the Biggest Voter Fraud Operation In History sure puts a stop to historic success, doesn't it?

You must be so happy Orange-Man Bad is defeated.   

And as a Syracuse University graduate I take offense to the whole racist scheme against Orange-People, let me tell you.

The Sniveler is the one still whining about the friggin' BUDGET as if that's the ONLY thing that matters, as if the PRESIDENT was in charge of writing the thing.

Sheesh.   Learn some civics.


You mean like how the administration has people in Congressional committees when they are pounding out those so-called 'budgets'? How everything gets beat up between all three (Congress, senate and admin) before anything else to get a nod before it goes to paper... You mean like that? Tumpy and company knew EXACTLY what they were signing. They collaborated all along. And they signed it.

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Nothings permanent, and then you die.

"...then you look down and see you still got your legs, so get up and fight and seize the day..." - Best Day by The Real McKenzies.

QUIT yer whining.

SO cavalier with other people's money.  :thud:

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Yeah, too bad all those RINOs in the Senate didn't do anything useful...like getting out and helping.


Speaking of the budget...who was Sleazer of the House shepherding Trump's first budget through in 2017?

RINO Ryan is one of YOUR people.  A whiny Never Trumping anti-American back-stabbing traitor.   Just like EVERY "Principled Conservative" ever know.  No principles except themselves, and no conservatism, either.  But, hey, ignore how budgets are REALLY made, just blame Trump.

Nah. Not one of mine. It don't say 'Republican' on my Jersey... But it does on yours.  happy77

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Yes, we're sure you're ecstatic that the Rodents STOLE the election.

Americans, of course, are totally pissed.  But you're happy and just don't understand what it's all about.

Nah... I was on the side of the angels on that one... Till you couldn't prove it.

Again: You can bawl and whine and complain all you want. The bottom line is that you got nothing. It is all gone. And the ball moved LEFT. and all it cost was twenty trillion bucks.

But, but, butt your way out of that any way that makes you sleep at night.
But what it is is a damn crying shame, and an utter FAIL that will cost my grandchildren plenty.

Accept it and do better next time.
Maybe try Conservatism. It works every time it's tried.
Populism is deadly.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 09:10:22 PM
Iranians are Aryan, too.

What's not to understand?

I'm likely 50% Aryan and 50% Celtic.   I posted that as a dig at the whiners protesting Trump's lack of "purity" as if they're all waiting for Jesus to come again before they support a candidate.

Then, of course, they'll support the other guy.   Goes without having to be said.  We know what they want.

I read everything you post. You are likely a sled dog prone to shitting on everyone else and proud of it.

The Celts are Aryans. Genghis Khan was an Aryan.

But...in Xanadu...

It is interesting the hatred directed towards the Aryans. People are ignorant fools.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 09:11:27 PM
Actually, there's not.

The time is past when gathering splinters with your ass is acceptable.


Didn't this thread just suffer a whole page on the benefits of chaps without pants?

Hmmmm?

So, you're not straddling any fences and you're not on America's side.

Period.

False. I consider you lot every bit as damaging as the Democrats.

It ain't conservatives that shut the country off. It sure as hell ain't conservatives spending at twice the rate of Obummer. Without defending the principles that are supposed to guide you, soon you are no better than that which you are fighting. You BECOME them. That particular rubicon has been crossed.

Thanks all the same, but I will stay over here where there is sanity, ice cream, libertarianism, and fiscal conservatism.  Y'all just spent twenty trillion bucks and we are worse off than when you started.

Why the HELL would I support that? I ain't on no damn fence. All y'all are over there with the crats, acting the fool.

And your getting splinters in your ass shows perfectly that you dunno how to work chaps. You are supposed to wear pants under em... I know... weird for you, I get it... but you should try it sometime. :silly:

That's the whole joke about 'assless chaps', see?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 09:13:12 PM
She asked me name my foe then. I said the need within some men to fight and kill their brothers without thought of Love or God. Ken Hensley
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 07, 2021, 09:19:46 PM
   @roamer_1 I do appreciate your patience with these nubes. Explaining the same thing over and over again.  Do you still accept the Diners Club Card?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/1b/99/651b99a1f73bf4640f74a2eb786d6cc1.jpg)
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 09:25:03 PM
   @roamer_1 I do appreciate your patience with these nubes. Explaining the same thing over and over again.  Do you still accept the Diners Club Card?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/1b/99/651b99a1f73bf4640f74a2eb786d6cc1.jpg)

Is that your plumber's union secret sign?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 07, 2021, 09:34:15 PM
   Trump should've hired me to plug the many leaks in his house.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 09:36:18 PM
   Trump should've hired me to plug the many leaks in his house.

Fix yer own house first. Just sayin'

No matter how much you try--shit happens.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 09:38:08 PM
Those HACKS are not "the GOP".  Those are the deceiving fools who got elected by lying to the GOP voters and then abusing them.


YES, in fact, they ARE the GOP, and have been nearly the whole time since Reagan left office. 94 Congress and the Tea Party are the only times that has been threatened at all - And y'all keep on voting them moderates back into power.
And you will sommore.

Face it. The GOP does not want Goldwater/Reagan leadership, or it would have it. Y'all are content to hyphenate conservatism and cherrypick the easy parts. That's why a tax cut is FINE with y'all even though spending went through the roof. 8th grade math should show that error plain enough.

That's why shutting OFF the country is FINE with y'all... No concern for liberty, and no concern for fiscal conservatism, so long as your guy is doing it.


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The GOP membership exists to put Americans into office, and they can't do that if fools insist on giving up and quitting.


Around here, no success in thirty years would be called 'beating a dead horse'... And at this point the statistical probability of a 3rd party doing better is in the margin of error.

I didn't quit y'all... Y'all quit me... As is perfectly apparent in your disgust with principles.

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The other thing to note, of course, is that quitting is exactly what the Enemy wants you to do.   

Why would that be? The Republicans are feckless lapdogs to the Democrats

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The only "purity" I expect from a conservative candidate is to be militantly Right to Life, to be militantly free market and to be most militantly pro-defense and anti-Invasion.    The budget cannot be fixed until we get enough of these kinds of people in office, and we can't get them elected if we run off and pout like the PC NT BL's want us to do.

You wont have a country anymore if the next Republican administration spends like the last two. And quit acting like there is a budget. the Fed has been operating on continuing resolutions since Clinton.

It is quite the other way around. The only way this government is going back in the box is to choke the air off - That is money. Shut off the money and it can't do anything else. Keep it shut off, and it will shrink. That is not what you are doing.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 09:41:10 PM
You know what this place needs? A Sled Dog roamer_1 cage match thread.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 07, 2021, 09:41:10 PM
   I was hoping to plug a small leak today with this stuff.  I learned it doesn't work under pressure. 

(https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/852808/852808007626.jpg)

Billy Joel - Pressure (Official Video)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyv905Q2omU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyv905Q2omU)
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 09:42:36 PM
   I was hoping to plug a small leak today with this stuff.  I learned it doesn't work under pressure. 

(https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/852808/852808007626.jpg)



Says the proud new father to be...
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 07, 2021, 09:45:30 PM
   Hell, my little thingees quit swimming a long time ago, they just call Uber now.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: libertybele on April 07, 2021, 09:47:51 PM
You know what this place needs? A Sled Dog roamer_1 cage match thread.

I place my bet on @roamer_1        :2popcorn: :pop41:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 09:52:56 PM
   Hell, my little thingees quit swimming a long time ago, they just call Uber now.

They ain't black are they?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 09:55:59 PM
They ain't black are they?

That's so raciss!
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 07, 2021, 09:56:44 PM
    I don't know that Kid has a lot of spunk.  Before I place my bet I want to know the odds, I have to finance all this plumbing work, somehow.

    I'm sure glad we've advanced past wooden plumbing.  Have you seen the prices of lumber today?
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 09:59:47 PM
    I don't know that Kid has a lot of spunk.  Before I place my bet I want to know the odds, I have to finance all this plumbing work, somehow.

    I'm sure glad we've advanced past wooden plumbing.  Have you seen the prices of lumber today?

I am a cabinetmaker. Don't know about plumbing one, but I could build you an A-2 seater craphouse. At cost, of course.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 10:00:25 PM
That's so raciss!

I know, right!

LOL
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 07, 2021, 10:00:55 PM
   Using your own suppliers, I suppose.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 10:02:57 PM
   Using your own suppliers, I suppose.

Nah.  I am an American. I only speak one language. I would use yours.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 07, 2021, 10:12:27 PM
   no hablo español. 

   I've never hired a White Guy in my Life, I'm Lost @bigheadfred
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 10:14:51 PM
   @roamer_1 I do appreciate your patience with these nubes. Explaining the same thing over and over again.  Do you still accept the Diners Club Card?

Oh hell yeah, @corbe ... Them work great for jimmying locks.  :beer:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 10:17:06 PM
I place my bet on @roamer_1        :2popcorn: :pop41:

 888high58888 :seeya:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 10:18:47 PM
I am a cabinetmaker. Don't know about plumbing one, but I could build you an A-2 seater craphouse. At cost, of course.

Yeah. a Fancy two-story one.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 07, 2021, 10:27:15 PM
   He'd probably try to sell me up to a boiler in the basement (which would have come in handy a couple of months ago).  I've been all under that house there's no room for a boiler.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: catfish1957 on April 07, 2021, 11:01:34 PM
Thanks, it's in my queue. It ain't that I am 'into it' as much as somebody has to push back. And getting on teamviewer with me is probably going to be a mistake. It was fun. Made my whole day. There's something about the smell of nuked phone-scammer machines that just gives me the fizz.  :silly: :cool:

With your skills, you might get some pointers from the Master. (Kitboga).
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 11:01:48 PM
   He'd probably try to sell me up to a boiler in the basement (which would have come in handy a couple of months ago).  I've been all under that house there's no room for a boiler.

I just tossed a Ritz cracker at Chewy... He missed it and being round (the cracker more particularly than the dog) it rolled out of his immediate reach.

So he is laying there, I swear, staring at it and trying to get his Jedi mind tricks to make it float over to him.
HAHAHAHA! It's so funny. he is concentrating so hard...
I don't know why he tries. It's only worked a couple times.  :whistle:

 :silly: :silly: :silly:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 11:11:39 PM
With your skills, you might get some pointers from the Master. (Kitboga).

Yeah, I will probably watch him a bit just for kicks. Believe it or not, I spend very little time in computing for entertainment. If I have a hack to do, that ain't entertainment. That's a stack of white-papers as deep as your arm, endless wandering through hacker sites and forums, and endless time trying tools or writing my own...

Most of that stuff is pretty old-hat to me. And it is more work than fun.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 07, 2021, 11:13:53 PM
   I think Chewy is successful more often than you think @roamer_1
   I also think that damn dog is getting into your stash again, Man.


(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.BjBmnOK01JiyvFSeh93ZkAHaD4?pid=ImgDet&rs=1)
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 07, 2021, 11:30:56 PM
   Lets get back on Track to Infrastructure Wednesdays, shall we.  Isn't it somewhat refreshing to have this BS pushed to the middle of the week,   Monday's are always a drag, even without the Infrastructure crap.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 07, 2021, 11:36:40 PM
   I think Chewy is successful more often than you think @roamer_1
   I also think that damn dog is getting into your stash again, Man.



Nah man, he ain't a Labrador.
But don't leave a bag of cheetos on the floor.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: catfish1957 on April 07, 2021, 11:57:36 PM
   I think Chewy is successful more often than you think @roamer_1
   I also think that damn dog is getting into your stash again, Man.


Glad Chewy got rid of that damned door bell commerical.  Tired of them activating my dog.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 08, 2021, 05:57:24 AM
Glad Chewy got rid of that damned door bell commerical.  Tired of them activating my dog.

My daughter walked our Siberian/Great Pyrenees mix.  Found out that the dog barks when she's outside and hears the doorbell ring, too.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on April 08, 2021, 09:39:24 AM
@Bigun

Tax increases NEVER raise what they project because they are based on static revenue analysis, i.e.-  the assumption that changes in tax rates will not alter taxpayer behavior in a quantifiable way.

Progressives adhere to this way of thinking not because they believe it, but because it is politically useful.
That is an easy one to refute.

Of course Dems know tax rates alter taxpayer behavior.

Case in point is the new so-called infrastructure bill which imposes new taxes to offset the decline in gasoline taxes due to the decline in gasoline consumption due to more electric vehicles.

I think what you meant is they want us to believe there is not any change in behavior.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: txradioguy on April 08, 2021, 09:52:37 AM
Glad Chewy got rid of that damned door bell commerical.  Tired of them activating my dog.

Same here.  My Schnauzers went nuts when that commercial would air.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 08, 2021, 01:48:27 PM
False. I consider you lot every bit as damaging as the Democrats.

Obviously not.   You don't like ME or the conservatives, but you shore do like pushing the Rodent line.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 08, 2021, 01:54:24 PM
Obviously not.   You don't like ME or the conservatives, but you shore do like pushing the Rodent line.

NOT 'obviously not' You spend just as much as they do. Where the hell does the money go? Follow that into the omnibus bills and find out how much Liberalism you SUPPORT as a matter of law.

I ain't pushing a single Democrat line. I am AGAINST big government, no matter which side of the aisle loves it. And there is no denying - Tumpism is big government.

And as a point of order - Big government is NOT a Conservative attribute.

And as for my supposed dislike of you personally - That's not true. I don't know you well enough to make such a determination. I do find your arguments rather one-dimensional and ill-considered. But that may change.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 08, 2021, 01:58:12 PM
   I happen to know @roamer_1 lives nowhere near the shore. /JS
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 08, 2021, 02:00:58 PM
   I happen to know @roamer_1 lives nowhere near the shore. /JS

Yep. Ain't no shore anywhere near here... If you're talking oceans anyhoo.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: Sled Dog on April 08, 2021, 02:02:05 PM
NOT 'obviously not' You spend just as much as they do.


Proving my point, again.

You have no idea what spending I approve of or disapprove of.

Since I'm a real conservative, I'm certain the idea confounds you.

What I DO approve of is fixing the country.  Which has more and bigger problems than CONGRESS'S OPM addiction.

Since I am not PC, unlike you, my motivations and goals are a mystery to you.  And you don't try to learn them, you're too busy being racist against Orange-People.

Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 08, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
Glad Chewy got rid of that damned door bell commerical.  Tired of them activating my dog.

Sorry... Can't claim that. Chewy ain't seen a commercial in his life.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 08, 2021, 02:15:31 PM
Proving my point, again.

You have no idea what spending I approve of or disapprove of.

Your vote is your endorsement. That is what it is. You APPROVED.

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Since I'm a real conservative, I'm certain the idea confounds you.

No, Conservatism by definition (as it touches politics) is the support and solidarity among the various factions of Goldwater/Reagan Conservatism. That is what Conservatism IS. That is not what you are doing.

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What I DO approve of is fixing the country.  Which has more and bigger problems than CONGRESS'S OPM addiction.

OK. You fixed nothing. And it cost twenty trillion dollars - TWICE the rate of liberal spending of Obummer. TWICE AS MUCH. What the hell did that fix?

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Since I am not PC, unlike you, my motivations and goals are a mystery to you.  And you don't try to learn them, you're too busy being racist against Orange-People.

Ahhh. The vaunted 5 dimensional chess.

Says here: You got nothing. you fixed nothing. You spent MORE than the last Democrat administration.

winning.  :whistle: *****rollingeyes*****

If that is 'Saving America' somehow - You suck at it.
Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: corbe on April 08, 2021, 02:26:55 PM
   Your loyal Fan Club here appreciates you carrying the extra load @roamer_1

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Title: Re: Biden to announce up to $4 trillion infrastructure plan with massive tax hikes
Post by: roamer_1 on April 08, 2021, 02:34:27 PM
   Your loyal Fan Club here appreciates you carrying the extra load @roamer_1

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LOL! How apropos!

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