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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2020, 02:22:24 pm »
BOGUS analogy.

Aren't you reading about the BIPARTISAN agreement pending to add another $3T to national debt, and orange man is apparently good with that? 

The binary choice argument is getting more diluted by the minute.  Both your hokey pills are deadly to the patient.

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First thing I said.  "TERMINAL" cancer.  Of course, the blue pill is deadly.  It's POISON!

But the red pill is a deterrent.  A wall of defense vs those cancer cells. 

Oh, you're still a cancer patient ...you know, with ....The THING.   

But it's like Metformin.  And Losartan Potassium.   :beer:
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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2020, 02:23:00 pm »
No you don't get it.  $1T, $3T, $100T.  You throw around the number trillion around like it doesn't mean shit.  You are part of the problem, by accepting ANY of this insane spending.

You are once again wrong. I entirely get it.

I don't "accept" the spending, but I prefer to surrendering the nation to Marxism. Because that IS the binary choice we face...I'd love to stand on a moral high horse and proclaim "Give me a balanced budget or give me death".  But we can't afford that posturing right now...that posturing only ensures my children and grandchildren will live under Marxism.

Get this through your head. If the GOP loses this election, Marxism wins. We don't get to come back from this one...this is not a normal election. And while I HATE the spending, I will not willingly let America go quietly into that goodnight. You apparently WILL as long as you can stand back and shout I TOLD YOU SO about spending and conservative puritanism. Great. I'm glad you'll feel good about yourself as the nation burns around you.
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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2020, 02:30:08 pm »
You are once again wrong. I entirely get it.

I don't "accept" the spending, but I prefer to surrendering the nation to Marxism. Because that IS the binary choice we face...I'd love to stand on a moral high horse and proclaim "Give me a balanced budget or give me death".  But we can't afford that posturing right now...that posturing only ensures my children and grandchildren will live under Marxism.

Without an ounce of snark, I just don't get it, @Mesaclone

How does one get to become a human adult without pragmatism?

It's why I scratch my head wondering what education did they get? 

Any lucid 70 year old can recognize we're about to lose our Republic.  Maybe in next few months.
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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2020, 02:33:38 pm »
EdinVA, you're brave to step into the middle of this particular "purity" thread with some common sense. You and the idea that we can only stop this Socialist takeover with an appeal to AT LEAST a majority of American voters will be met with derision and disdain. For the folks in this particular circle-pull, what matters is winning a majority on the Right end of the spectrum and using it to squash other conservatives who dare dissent with them on certain issues...and so, you're dissent from that jihad will not be tolerated in this little universe.

So their idea is to appeal exclusively to 51% of the 50% or so of American who are right of center politically. Their math stops here...at the point in which they have roughly 25% support...but heck, at least its "pure" support...no squishy moderate conservatives or dare say...libertarians or independents. The Horror!

Of course, with their 25% of Americans they expect to stop the Left...the rising Marxist and totalitarianist  revolution that is now...quite literally...knocking at our doors and burning down our institutions.

Those of us with common sense on the Right believe we need to broaden our appeal and win over AT THE VERY LEAST a majority of American voters...we seek to take a conservative message to more than half of Americans and give THEM a tool and a reason to oppose this Socialist nightmare.

You, EdinVA, are 100% correct in your views expressed in this thread...but there is no breaking through to the "puritans". They prefer to let the country burn...believing this will somehow turn their fellow Conservatives and other Americans towards their particular brand of puritanism. An historically absurd, politically inept, and anti-common sensical notion to be sure...but it is their religion nonetheless. And if one thing in history stands out...it is that you cannot dissuade fanatics from their jihad.

Bullcrap. Why is it that liberal cater to their base, and Republican moderates try to stifle theirs? Ever necessary to pull further and further left, always suggesting that conservatism is not enough.

Well bullcrap. Christians ALONE are the biggest voting bloc in the country. Well over 60% of the country identifies as Christian and Conservative That's your Christian Right, which is capable of generating well into 60m votes all by themselves...

If you get the whole Christian right, you are going to win. But you need to back ALL their principles to get them all.

The same goes for the civil-libertarian Right, FAR outstripping any other ideology in the west midwest, and desert southwest. If you are not FOR that rugged individualism and localized form of government, along with Christianity, you will not succeed in the West. And again, ALL their principles matter to them.

Fiscal Conservatism, the very foundation of Main Street everywhere, brings businesses. And there ain't anybody anywhere that ain't sat at the kitchen table to balance their checkbook. Do you think it gets past mom and pop Business or Joe and Jane Sixpack that this government is spending us into oblivion? Again, full-throated fiscal Conservatism in all their principles is what they will hear.

And without understanding the oathkeepers and the price of their blood, to include revering the honor of Southern warriors, you will not get far with the military...

The price of saving America is Conservatism, and nothing else will do. Continue preaching discord. Continue your pyrrhic 'victories', so shallow as to barely squeak over the line against what is probably the most unwanted Democrat of all time. Or you can go back to what works. Conservatism. That is what brings the factions together. That is when the clarion call will be heeded.

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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2020, 02:34:40 pm »
Without an ounce of snark, I just don't get it, @Mesaclone

How does one get to become a human adult without pragmatism?

It's why I scratch my head wondering what education did they get? 

Any lucid 70 year old can recognize we're about to lose our Republic.  Maybe in next few months.

Your condescension has pegged past nauseating. You are offically FOS. 

Spend away bro....   and let orange man be accountible for it.
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« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2020, 02:37:07 pm »
You have 'Terminal Cancer'.  And so does everybody you love and hold dear.

Doctor gives you a choice to take the red or the blue pill.

The Blue pill will cause you and your bloodline misery.

The Red pill insures you'll see the sunrise tomorrow enjoying your coffee.

 :shrug:

Bullcrap. This is the same tired sh*t sandwich vs. turdburger analogy. I will go down the street and find a nice Jewish Deli.


I reject your pills and their phony cure. Like I did in real life, I will seek otherwise... the Cheyenne medicine man I go to now.

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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2020, 02:37:28 pm »
Without an ounce of snark, I just don't get it, @Mesaclone

How does one get to become a human adult without pragmatism?

It's why I scratch my head wondering what education did they get? 

Any lucid 70 year old can recognize we're about to lose our Republic.  Maybe in next few months.

You have people who see the country and their concern is for their fellow Americans. Then you have folks who see the country and their concern is for THEMSELVES. The "themselves" folks want what's best for them and they see pragmatism as not getting all that they want. They also are certain that they are the smartest person in a room full of idiots. Its honestly about ego and little else.
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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2020, 02:39:11 pm »
Bullcrap. This is the same tired sh*t sandwich vs. turdburger analogy. I will go down the street and find a nice Jewish Deli.


I reject your pills and their phony cure. Like I did in real life, I will seek otherwise... the Cheyenne medicine man I go to now.

As I said earlier...of course you do. Its more important to you to be right, than to save the Republic. Ego...as Cicero said...its all about ego and self love.
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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2020, 02:39:39 pm »
BOGUS analogy.

Aren't you reading about the BIPARTISAN agreement pending to add another $3T to national debt, and orange man is apparently good with that? 

The binary choice argument is getting more diluted by the minute.  Both your hokey pills are deadly to the patient.

I think you misspelled 'deluded'  :beer:

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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2020, 02:41:04 pm »
The problem with his theory is, it is not merely a battle between liberals and conservatives, it is a battle for survival of the Republic and it will take more than just the "right" to win.  Conservatives have to learn how to grow their appeal, shed their shadows and re-examine their purity tests. 

Otherwise it will just be one tribe against another.

Another one of those, stop and made me think posts.  :beer:

I think your point is on the mark. Liberal democrats (the classical variety), conservative republicans and all shades in between have a vested interest in fighting the insurgent rise of racialist-cultural Marxism threatening America NOW, not maybe some day—but right NOW, as in a little over 100 days.

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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2020, 02:42:39 pm »
But the red pill is a deterrent.  A wall of defense vs those cancer cells. 

Snake oil. It's poison too.

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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2020, 02:44:40 pm »
Without an ounce of snark, I just don't get it, @Mesaclone

How does one get to become a human adult without pragmatism?

It's why I scratch my head wondering what education did they get? 

Any lucid 70 year old can recognize we're about to lose our Republic.  Maybe in next few months.

Because the pragmatism you preach is not fixing anything. It's part of the problem.

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« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2020, 02:45:56 pm »
As I said earlier...of course you do. Its more important to you to be right, than to save the Republic. Ego...as Cicero said...its all about ego and self love.

Yup, the ego voter.  IMO there are far too many in our society.  The whole Republican NT clan is full of them. 

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« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2020, 02:47:06 pm »
Snake oil. It's poison too.

As the Republican party exists today, I fully agree although the poison MAY be a little more slow acting.
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« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2020, 02:50:44 pm »
As I said earlier...of course you do. Its more important to you to be right, than to save the Republic. Ego...as Cicero said...its all about ego and self love.

Not even a little bit. It is all about applying a cure to this country. And that cure comes when Conservatism is liberally preached and practiced. THAT brings the votes. THAT brings the Conservative juggernaut together.

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« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2020, 02:54:09 pm »
As the Republican party exists today, I fully agree although the poison MAY be a little more slow acting.

The fallacy in that: Why the heck would you choose between poisons in the first place?  :shrug:
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« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2020, 02:59:54 pm »
The fallacy in that: Why the heck would you choose between poisons in the first place?  :shrug:

At some point in time after the economy has gone off the cliff in a ball of flames, there will be an accounting of the fiscally irresponsible parties.  That list will not be exclusive to democrats. 
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« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2020, 03:02:05 pm »
A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking

AKA: "How to beat the opposition without losing your identity (or worse, your soul)."
At least it seems that is what this thread has become.

An interesting dilemma.

I don't have an easy answer, but I don't think you have to opt out of what you believe in to defeat the left.

For example, we believe in the 10th amendment.

Those cities and states with (more) conservative governments haven't seen the amount of destruction the rioters have caused.
They haven't seen the COVID deaths- the rise in cases, yes- but not the higher death rates.
Without having to do anything at the federal level, the rest of the country has seen the failures of liberal governance first hand.

Of course, the media and the universities, etc. don't want people to acknowledged this is the case.
People ain't leaving Red states to go to Blue states, y'all.
Our message is getting through, even though it doesn't feel like it at times.

 


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« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2020, 03:03:05 pm »
At some point in time after the economy has gone off the cliff in a ball of flames, there will be an accounting of the fiscally irresponsible parties.  That list will not be exclusive to democrats.

That's right, and why I preach fiscal conservatism and civil libertarianism incessantly - There is a reason these two are absent in the current movement... Because they are the twin bulwarks against big government.

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« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2020, 03:07:52 pm »
That's right, and why I preach fiscal conservatism and civil libertarianism incessantly - There is a reason these two are absent in the current movement... Because they are the twin bulwarks against big government.

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« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2020, 03:09:18 pm »
@GrouchoTex @roamer_1

This is a really great thread.  It's the kind of thread I prefer to leave unmolested because it's a subject every one of us is passionate about.  If it gets really nasty I can move it to Members Only, but not yet.
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« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2020, 03:09:49 pm »
I am, and forever will remain, a CONSTITUTIONALIST!  ALL of it! Every last word.

Me too! And that is well ensconced in Goldwater.

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« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2020, 03:10:43 pm »
That's right, and why I preach fiscal conservatism and civil libertarianism incessantly - There is a reason these two are absent in the current movement... Because they are the twin bulwarks against big government.

Of course just because we are trying to scream to end the fiscal insanity, some posters are saying we only have a "concern for ourselves".  Ever dream you would hear bullshit like that?  Hard medicine fiscally is the only way to save this republic.  And if that is a reason someone thinks I am in it for "my self".....  is totally laughable.
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« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2020, 03:12:10 pm »
As the Republican party exists today, I fully agree although the poison MAY be a little more slow acting.

I prefer to think of the red pill as a placebo.   A pill which gives patients the will to carry on under a free market system.

President Trump demonstrated in 3-1/2 years what he can do for the American People.

No other POTUS since Ronald Reagan in my lifetime has demonstrated how to run a booming, successful economy. 
His ran into 1993.

OTOH, the spending is Monopoly Money.
We're past bankrupt if every dollar is supposed to be backed by gold bars.

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« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2020, 03:14:32 pm »
Me too! And that is well ensconced in Goldwater.

I don't know why, I was very young when it happened and completely uninitiated to politics, but I sat down and cried me a river when that man lost to LBJ.  Somehow I KNEW it was a turning point, I guess instinctively because I didn't know anything much at the time about politics or history.
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