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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #100 on: July 25, 2020, 07:58:14 am »
@truth_seeker
When arguing w a lib, I’ve learned to boil it down to this:

Do you trust politicians, of either party?  (They always say no)
Then why do you want to give so much control of your life over to them?

Those that hear that line of thinking can usually hear you.  Those that can’t, are blind and dead, so there’s no use debating them.

And the beauty of that line of arguing is it applies to EVERY subject and it makes them defend their faith in government.   We spend WAY too much time trying to convince rather than just make them defend their positions.
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« Reply #101 on: July 25, 2020, 09:50:19 am »
BRAVO! 

I will add that "puritanism" is a well known tactic to distract, interfere and disrupt those on the right trying to achieve their goals. 

This election will decide if we remain a sovereign nation or disappear into the fog of the globalist NWO, a one world government.

It’s a clear bellwether election and America needs all hands on deck. Do it for America, do it for your children, but just do it. Re-elect Donald Trump, and vote against the democrats in Congress.

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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #102 on: July 25, 2020, 02:04:37 pm »
BRAVO! 

I will add that "puritanism" is a well known tactic to distract, interfere and disrupt those on the right trying to achieve their goals. 

This election will decide if we remain a sovereign nation or disappear into the fog of the globalist NWO, a one world government.

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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #103 on: July 25, 2020, 02:19:44 pm »
It’s a clear bellwether election and America needs all hands on deck. Do it for America, do it for your children, but just do it. Re-elect Donald Trump, and vote against the democrats in Congress.

I hated the way the party manipulated conservatives back during the Bush, McCain and Romney campaigns, calling us 'unappeasables' and telling us to put our issues aside once again and get on board. So I won't tell anyone to do the same.

But what you say is true - this is a new rat party, the spawn of Satan, and they intend to bury us. It's a matter of survival now.

BTW where's @sneakypete?
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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #104 on: July 25, 2020, 03:01:47 pm »
The world, and especially the United States, today is in the biggest Orwellian nightmare of my lifetime, and neither a Republican senate nor Trump has done anything to stop it from happening.  So I think it is time to stop thinking that politicians or parties can make a difference.  Sure, we can vote, but that is highly unlikely to stop the unbelievable momentum we are seeing toward global scale tyranny.

We are currently living in socialist utopia.  No one can travel outside the country, every single business in the country operates (or is closed down) under the iron thumb of bureaucracy, people cower in their homes, the economy is being flooded with money, money and more money.  The only people who seem to be resisting are the kooks out on the street, and they are so misguided they protest because they think socialism is losing.

I say look around.  Socialism has won.  It is already over.

It wasn't the Democrats who voted to print $3-$5 trillion in new funny money, it was the Republicans.  And they are prepared to do it again.  It wasn't the Democrats who decided to shut down the economy and close the society, it was our Republican president.  I used to think that I had property rights, but this shutdown has taught me otherwise.  I now realize that a government that can take the other guy's restaurant, gym or beauty salon can also take my pension fund.  Therefore, i really have no individual property rights except as conferred by the government.  Therefore, our constitution is a myth, because all other rights fall from property rights.

That goes for freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, freedom of speech.  They are all myths, as the last six months have made clear.  Ironically, the only people in the country actually exercising their freedoms are the nutcakes protesting in the cities.

Make no mistake about it.  Once government bureaucrats have this kind of power, they are not going to give it up easily.  As I said, this is utopia to them.  No one can leave the country.  We are not burning carbon.  They have complete power over every facet of life, including the power to shutdown the churches.  You think anyone with this kind of power will give that up?  Why, because they are Republicans?  What a joke.

This is precisely the moment in history our founding fathers feared, and no one -- not the SCOTUS we fought so hard to protect, not the congress, not the president -- gives a flying fig about the Constitution of the United States.

No, what will happen next is very clear.  Once the threat of the virus has passed, there will be new threats that will prevent the government from allowing us to go back to being "free."  Global warming will be very high on that list.  And the control will continue unabated.  When the only insurgents are the ones rioting in the streets demanding an end to the rule of law and the instillation of socialist tyranny, you know we are in a very deep hole.  But it is a hole we dug ourselves.  That is the horrible truth.

The one thing I see in all of this is that elections do not matter.  The relentless march of federal tyranny has continued unabated through my lifetime of 67 years, through both Republican and Democrat administrations.  The only constant has been the government expanding its gorging like an out-of-control Jabba the Hutt.

Welcome to the future, friends.  George Orwell would have been proud.

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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #105 on: July 25, 2020, 03:17:20 pm »
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The relentless march of federal tyranny has continued unabated through my lifetime of 67 years, through both Republican and Democrat administrations.  The only constant has been the government expanding its gorging like an out-of-control Jabba the Hutt.

Enabled by the congress abdicating it's responsibilities to a multitude of unelected beauracrats in a multitude of government agencies, Fractional reserve banking (The Fed), The Marxist Income tax system, and removal of the gold standard for our currency  @massadvj
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #106 on: July 25, 2020, 03:29:50 pm »
Enabled by the congress abdicating it's responsibilities to a multitude of unelected beauracrats in a multitude of government agencies, Fractional reserve banking (The Fed), The Marxist Income tax system, and removal of the gold standard for our current  @massadvj

Exactly right.

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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #107 on: July 25, 2020, 04:10:42 pm »
@massadvj

Another “Ace”. This one is depressing beyond measure.
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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #108 on: July 25, 2020, 08:19:20 pm »
It’s a clear bellwether election and America needs all hands on deck. Do it for America, do it for your children, but just do it. Re-elect Donald Trump, and vote against the democrats in Congress.

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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #109 on: July 25, 2020, 08:20:44 pm »
BRAVO! 

I will add that "puritanism" is a well known tactic to distract, interfere and disrupt those on the right trying to achieve their goals. 

This election will decide if we remain a sovereign nation or disappear into the fog of the globalist NWO, a one world government.

WRONG. The biggest threat to our sovereignty is our debt.

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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #110 on: July 25, 2020, 08:25:10 pm »
The world, and especially the United States, today is in the biggest Orwellian nightmare of my lifetime, and neither a Republican senate nor Trump has done anything to stop it from happening.  So I think it is time to stop thinking that politicians or parties can make a difference.  Sure, we can vote, but that is highly unlikely to stop the unbelievable momentum we are seeing toward global scale tyranny.
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The one thing I see in all of this is that elections do not matter.  The relentless march of federal tyranny has continued unabated through my lifetime of 67 years, through both Republican and Democrat administrations.  The only constant has been the government expanding its gorging like an out-of-control Jabba the Hutt.

Welcome to the future, friends.  George Orwell would have been proud.

Magnificent post! Top notch. And thus my reticence.

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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #111 on: July 25, 2020, 08:55:01 pm »
Magnificent post! Top notch. And thus my reticence.

When Vic speaks, people listen.   :patriot:
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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #112 on: July 25, 2020, 09:03:04 pm »
The world, and especially the United States, today is in the biggest Orwellian nightmare of my lifetime, and neither a Republican senate nor Trump has done anything to stop it from happening.  So I think it is time to stop thinking that politicians or parties can make a difference.  Sure, we can vote, but that is highly unlikely to stop the unbelievable momentum we are seeing toward global scale tyranny.

We are currently living in socialist utopia.  No one can travel outside the country, every single business in the country operates (or is closed down) under the iron thumb of bureaucracy, people cower in their homes, the economy is being flooded with money, money and more money.  The only people who seem to be resisting are the kooks out on the street, and they are so misguided they protest because they think socialism is losing.

I say look around.  Socialism has won.  It is already over.

It wasn't the Democrats who voted to print $3-$5 trillion in new funny money, it was the Republicans.  And they are prepared to do it again.  It wasn't the Democrats who decided to shut down the economy and close the society, it was our Republican president.  I used to think that I had property rights, but this shutdown has taught me otherwise.  I now realize that a government that can take the other guy's restaurant, gym or beauty salon can also take my pension fund.  Therefore, i really have no individual property rights except as conferred by the government.  Therefore, our constitution is a myth, because all other rights fall from property rights.

That goes for freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, freedom of speech.  They are all myths, as the last six months have made clear.  Ironically, the only people in the country actually exercising their freedoms are the nutcakes protesting in the cities.

Make no mistake about it.  Once government bureaucrats have this kind of power, they are not going to give it up easily.  As I said, this is utopia to them.  No one can leave the country.  We are not burning carbon.  They have complete power over every facet of life, including the power to shutdown the churches.  You think anyone with this kind of power will give that up?  Why, because they are Republicans?  What a joke.

This is precisely the moment in history our founding fathers feared, and no one -- not the SCOTUS we fought so hard to protect, not the congress, not the president -- gives a flying fig about the Constitution of the United States.

No, what will happen next is very clear.  Once the threat of the virus has passed, there will be new threats that will prevent the government from allowing us to go back to being "free."  Global warming will be very high on that list.  And the control will continue unabated.  When the only insurgents are the ones rioting in the streets demanding an end to the rule of law and the instillation of socialist tyranny, you know we are in a very deep hole.  But it is a hole we dug ourselves.  That is the horrible truth.

The one thing I see in all of this is that elections do not matter.  The relentless march of federal tyranny has continued unabated through my lifetime of 67 years, through both Republican and Democrat administrations.  The only constant has been the government expanding its gorging like an out-of-control Jabba the Hutt.

Welcome to the future, friends.  George Orwell would have been proud.

Sadly, you are absolutely correct. I was never a staunch Trump supporter but I have defended him many times.  We have a Republican do-nothing Congress and a President that hs reneged on so many of his promises; the wall still isn't built, amnesty is just his signature away, the swamp still isn't drained, crooked Hillary still isn't locked up and we are close to socialism.

To think that we came so close to electing a true conservative...is really sad. 

My hunch is it will get to the point (not that it will matter) that we won't be allowed to go to the polls, it will be mail in voting only.

This country should have NEVER been shutdown....in doing so had a snowball effect on our freedom.
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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #113 on: July 25, 2020, 09:16:31 pm »
This country should have NEVER been shutdown....in doing so had a snowball effect on our freedom.

A lot of us called it in February/March.  The smart money feared the panic a whole lot more than the virus itself, and here we are.
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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #114 on: July 26, 2020, 02:55:30 am »
If people want to organize and start to fight socialism, here is how you start.

Get a group of people, get on Twitter, and start doing battle there. It will take good research, good argument, and good tactics.

If you can't beat them there, you won't beat them in the real world.
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« Reply #115 on: July 26, 2020, 06:49:36 am »
The problem with his theory is, it is not merely a battle between liberals and conservatives, it is a battle for survival of the Republic and it will take more than just the "right" to win.  Conservatives have to learn how to grow their appeal, shed their shadows and re-examine their purity tests. 

Otherwise it will just be one tribe against another.

He does not know what conservative means.  But I do agree,  some,   need to shed their purity test and come into reality.  I always thought it was GOD'S job to judge.  NO ONE,  WILL EVER BE PERFECT, FOR SOME CONSERVATIVES.  VIRTUE SIGNALING. 

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« Reply #116 on: July 26, 2020, 07:06:26 am »
He does not know what conservative means.  But I do agree,  some,   need to shed their purity test and come into reality.  I always thought it was GOD'S job to judge.  NO ONE,  WILL EVER BE PERFECT, FOR SOME CONSERVATIVES.  VIRTUE SIGNALING.

Bloody nonsense.

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« Reply #117 on: July 26, 2020, 06:15:14 pm »


You don't get it.

If the Left wins this fight...this year...we're done. Over.

@Mesaclone

There it is. ALL the words anyone needs to understand the importance of this election. If the left wins this one,America is over for all time. Done. Fini.

The rest of it is just dancing on our graves.
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« Reply #118 on: July 26, 2020, 06:40:51 pm »
@Mesaclone

There it is. ALL the words anyone needs to understand the importance of this election. If the left wins this one,America is over for all time. Done. Fini.

The rest of it is just dancing on our graves.


As someone here (I disrember who)  so eloquently stated earlier: "This once great republic fades into the fog of one world government if Biden and the Democrats win in November."
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #119 on: July 26, 2020, 07:35:17 pm »
Bloody nonsense.

Bloody truth rather.

Talk of insurgencies and third parties...just plain dumbassery. THERE IS NO TIME for any of that. Fight now or lose...clearly...you are choosing lose for yourself. Which quite frankly makes you irrelevant.

All that the rest of us can do is pray that such stupidity is rare amongst sane conservatives. The Wall of our Republic is now breached and the barbarians are bursting through the gates...so, I'm sorry the perfect soldiers aren't available...but we imperfect, impure, not-good-enough-for-roamer conservatives will continue throwing ourselves into that breach to push back this Marxist horde. We may lose, but at least we'll go down fighting FOR the Republic.
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« Reply #120 on: July 26, 2020, 07:39:06 pm »
It’s a clear bellwether election and America needs all hands on deck. Do it for America, do it for your children, but just do it. Re-elect Donald Trump, and vote against the democrats in Congress.

Correct.  Some with TRUMP envy...can't understand that.  Their little world is more important, than our country  & way of life.

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« Reply #121 on: July 26, 2020, 07:41:55 pm »
Bloody truth rather.

Talk of insurgencies and third parties...just plain dumbassery. THERE IS NO TIME for any of that. Fight now or lose...clearly...you are choosing lose for yourself. Which quite frankly makes you irrelevant.

All that the rest of us can do is pray that such stupidity is rare amongst sane conservatives. The Wall of our Republic is now breached and the barbarians are bursting through the gates...so, I'm sorry the perfect soldiers aren't available...but we imperfect, impure, not-good-enough-for-roamer conservatives will continue throwing ourselves into that breach to push back this Marxist horde. We may lose, but at least we'll go down fighting FOR the Republic.



Beautiful and correct.  All the virtue signaling makes me angry.  ZERO COMMON SENSE. 

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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #122 on: July 26, 2020, 07:43:37 pm »
@Mesaclone

There it is. ALL the words anyone needs to understand the importance of this election. If the left wins this one,America is over for all time. Done. Fini.

The rest of it is just dancing on our graves.


And WHY do the NON-RIGHTS....want this so much?  MAKE US ANOTHER TURD WORLD COUNTRY.  THEN THEY ARE HAPPY?   NON-RIGHTS....ARE NEVER HAPPY.

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« Reply #123 on: July 26, 2020, 07:51:16 pm »
Sadly, you are absolutely correct. I was never a staunch Trump supporter but I have defended him many times.  We have a Republican do-nothing Congress and a President that hs reneged on so many of his promises; the wall still isn't built, amnesty is just his signature away, the swamp still isn't drained, crooked Hillary still isn't locked up and we are close to socialism.

To think that we came so close to electing a true conservative...is really sad. 

My hunch is it will get to the point (not that it will matter) that we won't be allowed to go to the polls, it will be mail in voting only.

This country should have NEVER been shutdown....in doing so had a snowball effect on our freedom.


What?  Who was the true conservative?  HILLARY?  ZERO PROMISES have been reneged.  WALL is being built, in spite of demon-rat OBSTRUCTION.  250 miles...so far.  You think, it is an instant wall?  Nothing about Amnesty.  OBAMA PUT IN DACA by E.O...JUDICIAL BRANCH AND DEMON-RATS, WON'T ALLOW POTUS TO REMOVE BY E.O.  FACT.

Swamp is being drained.  You are just focusing on Hillary. There are many people involved in the SWAMP.  LIST THEM.  KIP SIMPSON VEDIO'S.  JUDICIAL WATCH is still on Hillary criminality.

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« Reply #124 on: July 26, 2020, 07:58:53 pm »

And WHY do the NON-RIGHTS....want this so much?  MAKE US ANOTHER TURD WORLD COUNTRY.  THEN THEY ARE HAPPY?   NON-RIGHTS....ARE NEVER HAPPY.

My take is that the "right" has not learned how to have a debate without threats....
For example, abortion is now Reproductive Rights or Womens Health... When the "right" can have the conversation on a topic that does not result in a binary condition supported by a sledge hammer, then the non-rights will  flock to the right.