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A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« on: July 24, 2020, 02:18:18 am »
A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking

Conservatism, Inc. has been weighed in the balance and found wanting. To continue investing in it despite its dismal record is the very definition of insanity.

By Ned Ryun • July 16, 2020

For conservatives it seems every day brings with it another betrayal from the professional Right. The hollow people leading the Republican Party and Conservatism, Inc., have been exposed. Some of us have known for years they wouldn’t be up to the task when a true challenge came, but it is still staggering to watch the meltdown happen in real-time.

So maybe it’s finally time for those on the Right to stop doing the same things they’ve been doing for nearly half a century, and instead form a new movement—a New Right that is actually equipped to defeat the Left.

As the think tanks are shown to be ineffective in the face of the aggressive Left, more people are beginning to realize that perhaps the money given to places like Heritage, American Enterprise Institute, and Cato was squandered. And it was a lot of money. The three organizations combined raised roughly $2.45 billion between 2001-2018, and that does not include the hundreds of millions in investments and real estate.

Rational people should acknowledge this reality and stop pretending it’s not happening. People invested billions of dollars in these entities, only to realize they never intended to be anything but sinecures.

Even worse, so-called conservative think tanks have little if anything in common with America First and have been corrupted by corporatism and imagined access to power.

It’s time to abandon the concept of institution building, as though we will ever have the ability to match the Left institution for institution. It’s time for a scrappy New Right to be built with an insurgency approach: we must accept that we are not in power, that we do not control the institutions, and that it’s time to go on the offensive. Our thinking, our strategy, and our investments must reflect that belief. ..

Excerpted from:  https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/16/a-new-right-grounded-in-insurgency-thinking/


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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2020, 02:20:52 am »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2020, 02:38:19 am »
The problem with his theory is, it is not merely a battle between liberals and conservatives, it is a battle for survival of the Republic and it will take more than just the "right" to win.  Conservatives have to learn how to grow their appeal, shed their shadows and re-examine their purity tests. 

Otherwise it will just be one tribe against another.

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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2020, 03:09:48 am »
The problem with his theory is, it is not merely a battle between liberals and conservatives, it is a battle for survival of the Republic and it will take more than just the "right" to win.  Conservatives have to learn how to grow their appeal, shed their shadows and re-examine their purity tests. 

Otherwise it will just be one tribe against another.

Nonsense to your purity BS.  That is what is wrong with the Republican party.  It no longer has meaning.  Its folded into the Democratic party.
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2020, 04:07:36 am »
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Excellent article, @Bigun , and I agree in very large part.

I absolutely agree that the Republican party is bastardized, as well as most institutions. The moderates have held the reins for far too long, to include policy and finance. Long ago I quit membership in all of them, except GOA. I have not contributed at the institutional level in nearly a decade, to include NRTL by the way. They are all, as the article states, mere sinecures, though I would go further to state that is the wrong idea really, as they do provide service - But that service is to Republican moderates and their corporate-globalism plan.

The whole kit and kaboodle is a corruption.

I profoundly agree with a more distributed system (heh, big surprise there I bet). A distributed system is far harder to attack, and as nodes become corrupted, they are far easier on the overall system to excise or dry on the vine.

I also believe that Conservatism (as it touches politics), NEEDS a reliable reference - It NEEDS desperately to be defined and taught. It REQUIRES an orthodoxy. And it needs to be easily accessible to the public.

The functions of Conservatism have been wholly corrupted by hypen-ism and intentionally muddied by Republican/RNC  to the point that even here, on a premiere Conservative forum, few here can cite Conservatism by the numbers.

The only thing I profoundly disagree with is an implied subservience to 'America First', which is a hollow and undefined thing - In that, the risk is in yet another hyphenated and bastardized form. The whole point of Conservatism (in politics) is its service to the factions thereof, and the promotion of their immovable principles - Creating a coalition whose intent is to uphold ALL of those factional principles in order to form a force large enough to compete in elections.

Those decrying those principles, or disdaining unity and unity candidates work directly against what American Conservatism is designed to do.

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2020, 04:11:49 am »
The problem with his theory is, it is not merely a battle between liberals and conservatives, it is a battle for survival of the Republic and it will take more than just the "right" to win.  Conservatives have to learn how to grow their appeal, shed their shadows and re-examine their purity tests. 

Otherwise it will just be one tribe against another.

Exactly wrong. What is required is MORE purity, not less. Speak to the factions, serve those factions, and you will have no problem in elections. Conservatism - REAL Conservatism works every time it's tried.

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Re: A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2020, 04:53:54 am »

The only thing I profoundly disagree with is an implied subservience to 'America First', which is a hollow and undefined thing - In that, the risk is in yet another hyphenated and bastardized form. The whole point of Conservatism (in politics) is its service to the factions thereof, and the promotion of their immovable principles - Creating a coalition whose intent is to uphold ALL of those factional principles in order to form a force large enough to compete in elections.

Yep, I don't really know exactly what "America First" stands for.... honestly... or who is behind it... If it is Trump first, I am sure it doesn't have it's head screwed on tightly.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2020, 04:58:19 am »
Yep, I don't really know exactly what "America First" stands for.... honestly... or who is behind it... If it is Trump first, I am sure it doesn't have it's head screwed on tightly.

It is some kind of 'Because 'Murica' thing that is little more than a high school cheer - The serious principles behind such a thing are already to be found in the real thing, except with thought and stuff.

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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2020, 11:30:57 am »
Exactly wrong. What is required is MORE purity, not less. Speak to the factions, serve those factions, and you will have no problem in elections. Conservatism - REAL Conservatism works every time it's tried.

All the socialists have to do is retain control of the top 5 or so states (CA, NY, OH, MI, etc) and they will win every election.  Right now non-leftists are leaving those states in droves, leaving those votes in the hands of the socialists,  All of this rioting and grossly high taxes are designed to drive the "conservative" voters out of the state no matter what the cost and is also the reason Trump has excluded non-citizens from being counted in the redistricting.  None of this has to do with political ideology, it is an outright attack to implement socialism and sniping over who is more, or less, conservative will solve nothing.  Folks have to stop running and stand tall.

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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2020, 01:48:06 pm »
All the socialists have to do is retain control of the top 5 or so states (CA, NY, OH, MI, etc) and they will win every election. 

Well that ain't true. Traditionally, Libs have maintained a lock on far more than five - The entire NE, Illinois,Michigan, California, New Mexico Washington, Oregon... And etc. And you must only be speaking of the presidency at that - Congress remains, state houses and legislatures remain..

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Right now non-leftists are leaving those states in droves, leaving those votes in the hands of the socialists,  All of this rioting and grossly high taxes are designed to drive the "conservative" voters out of the state no matter what the cost and is also the reason Trump has excluded non-citizens from being counted in the redistricting. 

I also don't believe that. The state of Illinois is largely conservative just 20 miles outside of Chicago environs... Wisconsin is likewise.

What they TRIED to do was a fast spreading revolution. And they failed because they ran into rednecks out of town that would not put up with their sh*t. They made their mess in their strongholds, and immediately branched out into smaller towns and were stopped dead.

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None of this has to do with political ideology, it is an outright attack to implement socialism and sniping over who is more, or less, conservative will solve nothing.

Hate to tell you, but socialism IS a political ideology.
Sniping has little to do with it. Conservative orthodoxy is a formula for winning.
Conservatism under its full banner is an unstoppable juggernaut. Those hyphenating it are liberals trying to infect and disable it BECAUSE it is unstoppable when fully deployed. The liberals don't want it, and neither do the moderate Republicans, because they both damn well know their power is over if it ascends.

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Folks have to stop running and stand tall.

Around WHAT?

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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2020, 01:51:31 pm »
Root cause:  So called right of center spectra politicos have abandoned fiscal conservatism.  Like my tag line says.....  Just more crack addled congresscritters addicted to spending our tax dollars.
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2020, 01:53:08 pm »
Dress it up all you want.  In the end, they're whining b*tches.

You're talking about a Third Party, which would insure infinite Democrat rule in a 50/50 nation.


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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2020, 01:54:11 pm »
Root cause:  So called right of center spectra politicos have abandoned fiscal conservatism.  Like my tag line says.....  Just more crack addled congresscritters addicted to spending our tax dollars.

RIGHT. And civil-libertarianism. BOTH are required for true conservatism. They are the ramparts that prevent big government.

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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2020, 01:55:15 pm »
Dress it up all you want.  In the end, they're whining b*tches.

You're talking about a Third Party, which would insure infinite Democrat rule in a 50/50 nation.

Uniparty is no different. What the hell good is a Republican party chocked full of liberals?

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2020, 01:56:36 pm »
All the socialists have to do is retain control of the top 5 or so states (CA, NY, OH, MI, etc) and they will win every election.  Right now non-leftists are leaving those states in droves, leaving those votes in the hands of the socialists,  All of this rioting and grossly high taxes are designed to drive the "conservative" voters out of the state no matter what the cost and is also the reason Trump has excluded non-citizens from being counted in the redistricting.  None of this has to do with political ideology, it is an outright attack to implement socialism and sniping over who is more, or less, conservative will solve nothing.  Folks have to stop running and stand tall.

EdinVA, you're brave to step into the middle of this particular "purity" thread with some common sense. You and the idea that we can only stop this Socialist takeover with an appeal to AT LEAST a majority of American voters will be met with derision and disdain. For the folks in this particular circle-pull, what matters is winning a majority on the Right end of the spectrum and using it to squash other conservatives who dare dissent with them on certain issues...and so, you're dissent from that jihad will not be tolerated in this little universe.

Their fantasy-centric idea is to appeal exclusively to 51% of the 50% or so of American who are right of center politically. The purest of the pure. But their math stops its self nullifying equation right there...at the point in which they have roughly 25% support (though the real number is likely closer to 10%)...but heck, at least its "pure" support...no squishy moderate conservatives or dare say...libertarians or independents. The Horror!

Of course, with their 10-25% of Americans they expect to stop the Left...the rising Marxist and totalitarianist  revolution that is now...quite literally...knocking at our doors and burning down our institutions. Brilliant plan!

Those of us with common sense on the Right believe we need to broaden our appeal and win over AT THE VERY LEAST a majority of American voters...we seek to take a conservative message to more than half of Americans and give THEM a tool and a reason to oppose this Socialist nightmare.

You, EdinVA, are 100% correct in your views expressed in this thread...but there is no breaking through to the "puritans". They prefer to let the country burn...believing this will somehow turn their fellow Conservatives and other Americans towards their particular brand of puritanism. An historically absurd, politically inept, and anti-common sensical notion to be sure...but it is their religion nonetheless. And if one thing in history stands out...it is that you cannot dissuade fanatics from their jihad.
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2020, 02:02:24 pm »
Uniparty is no different. What the hell good is a Republican party chocked full of liberals?

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Doctor gives you a choice to take the red or the blue pill.

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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2020, 02:08:23 pm »
You have 'Terminal Cancer'.  And so does everybody you love and hold dear.

Doctor gives you a choice to take the red or the blue pill.

The Blue pill will cause you and your bloodline misery.

The Red pill insures you'll see the sunrise tomorrow enjoying your coffee.

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BOGUS analogy.

Aren't you reading about the BIPARTISAN agreement pending to add another $3T to national debt, and orange man is apparently good with that? 

The binary choice argument is getting more diluted by the minute.  Both your hokey pills are deadly to the patient.
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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2020, 02:16:33 pm »
BOGUS analogy.

Aren't you reading about the BIPARTISAN agreement pending to add another $3T to national debt, and orange man is apparently good with that? 

The binary choice argument is getting more diluted by the minute.  Both your hokey pills are deadly to the patient.

First, Senate GOP and the White House have agreed on a 1T package thus far...not to the Dems 3T package.

Yes, the Senate and White House could simply say "no"...and do nothing. And yes, this would hand the Senate and White House to the Left and thus lock in a Socialist revolution....which would quickly legalize another 20 million illegal soon to be voters, take away much of our 1st and 2nd amendment rights, ensure that Marxism reigns supreme in this country for the next 50 years. So while I don't like this spending any more than you do, I'm willing to spend a trillion to stop that madness.

You don't get it.

If the Left wins this fight...this year...we're done. Over. We don't get to make some moral stand and win a budget fight...while losing the White House and congress for 4 years. No, we lose both in perpetuity...we lose this nation and what it is forever. Its not spending and money that defines America...its our freedoms. Spending can be reigned in and corrected...freedom, once lost, will not be returning in any of our lifetimes.

So you're damn wrong on the red pill and blue pill analogy...it is precisely fitting.
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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2020, 02:17:02 pm »
You have 'Terminal Cancer'.  And so does everybody you love and hold dear.

Doctor gives you a choice to take the red or the blue pill.

The Blue pill will cause you and your bloodline misery.

The Red pill insures you'll see the sunrise tomorrow enjoying your coffee.

 :shrug:

I think I must be missing the point being made....  :shrug:
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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2020, 02:19:17 pm »


You don't get it.



No you don't get it.  $1T, $3T, $100T.  You throw around the number trillion around like it doesn't mean shit.  You are part of the problem, by accepting ANY of this insane spending.
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« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2020, 02:19:56 pm »
I think I must be missing the point being made....  :shrug:

Take the Blue Pill and the Marxists win...and the country is over as of November 3rd.

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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2020, 02:21:17 pm »
I think I must be missing the point being made....  :shrug:

I think he is recommending fighting a holding action and living to fight another day but I'm not sure.

Anyway, that is the course I will take as there appears to not be another one.
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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2020, 02:21:27 pm »
I think I must be missing the point being made....  :shrug:

Yep, Like I said...   Bogus analogy.  It seems the binary argument choice seems to lose its sting, when both sides of the aisle want to take the country down in a fiscal ball of flames.
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