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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1300 on: Today at 11:00:38 am »
Starting a global energy crisis heading into the 2026 Congressional midterms is an unconventional political strategy.

Trump's bored with Iran, so now he's moved on to Cuba.

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Iran's Drones, Defense Base Being Restored 'Faster Than Expected' Amid Extended Ceasefire: US Intelligence

The Iranians have reportedly rebuilt damaged and destroyed defense industrial sites much faster than expected. That's according to US intelligence assessments cited in CNN, and based on anonymous officials. The Pakistan-mediated talks have been stalled, and each of the last several weeks has seen Washington issue updated peace conditions, only for Tehran to in return counter-issue its own demands. And round and round the indirect negotiation has gone, yet with no breakthrough, or not so much as a step forward.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ayatollah-orders-highly-enriched-uranium-remain-iran-stymying-trumps-basis-deal

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« Reply #1302 on: Today at 11:36:49 am »
At this point, Trump is just saber rattling.  So what if he's getting "in position?"  We've been doing that for weeks.  Iran is getting bolder in its demands, making Trump look like a fool!  Tuco's Rule applies:  If you're going to shoot, shoot!  Don't talk!
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« Reply #1305 on: Today at 11:49:09 am »
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 TV has obtained what it describes as the final draft of a prospective Pakistani mediated U.S.-Iran agreement, reportedly set to be announced within hours [It does not align with what I am hearing].

Key provisions include:
1) An immediate, comprehensive, and unconditional ceasefire on all fronts (land, sea, air)
2) Mutual commitment not to target military, civilian, or economic infrastructure
3) Cessation of military operations and instigating media warfare
3) Respect for sovereignty, territorial integrity, and non-interference in internal affairs
4) Guaranteed freedom of navigation in the Gulf, Strait of Hormuz, and Sea of Oman
5) Establishment of a joint monitoring and dispute resolution mechanism
6) Launch of negotiations on outstanding issues within seven days
7) Gradual lifting of U.S. sanctions in exchange for Iran's adherence to the terms
8) Affirmation of compliance with international law and the UN Charter

The agreement is stated to enter into force immediately upon formal announcement by both parties.



10:02 AM  ·  May 21, 2026  ·  6,416 Views

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1306 on: Today at 11:55:29 am »
Oh come on @DCPatriot  Iran was 2 weeks away from have nuclear capabilities -- yes we went in an bombed their bunkers -- whether or not we hit all of them is doubtful, so they simply use bunkers that haven't been busted or they clear out the bunkers and reload.  Meanwhile, China, Russia and Pakistan are certainly helping Iran.

Secondly, the Strait of Hormuz is still somewhat under Iranian control.  They still have uranium.  They want their $$ unfrozen.  Don't you see anything wrong with that picture???

P.S. I don't hate Trump ... but he has bungled this conflict BIGLY!!

Generals and others have told Trump not to trust Iran and that they are only using this time to rebuild, restrengthen and rearm.  Don't you see anything wrong with Trump not moving??? Especially since he continues to repeatedly kick the can down the road.

Something very  wrong is going on in the Trump circle and IMO it IS endangering our troops and our country and the innocents that continue to be slaughtered by the leadership of Iran.

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He hasn't "Bungled" a damned thing.  His position is that the 60 day limit 'clock' STOPS during any ceasefire. (Bleep the Democrats).

He's showing the entire world and their suck-azz media that he's gone above/beyond to get Iran to end this 'peacefully'

I'm loading up on popcorn...because IMO, the shooting is going to start real soon...primarily the infrastructure of truck/rail routes toward their EAST to Pakistan...along with parts of Kharg Island's depots.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1307 on: Today at 11:56:16 am »
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iran has restored roughly two-thirds of its missile launchers to operational status with assistance from Russia and China supplying critical missile and drone components. At the same time, the country is rebuilding its defense production sites far ahead of schedule and has fully reactivated its drone manufacturing lines during the ceasefire, now turning out hundreds of units daily.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/05/21/politics/iran-military-rebuild



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« Reply #1308 on: Today at 11:57:49 am »
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He hasn't "Bungled" a damned thing.  His position is that the 60 day limit 'clock' STOPS during any ceasefire. (Bleep the Democrats).

How many Russian and Chinese manpads do you think Iran has gotten their hands on in the past 60 days?
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
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BREAKING: A senior Iranian official has denied claims that Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei issued an order requiring enriched uranium to remain inside Iran, calling the reports "enemy propaganda."

Oil prices are falling on the news.
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BREAKING: A senior Iranian official has denied claims that Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei issued an order requiring enriched uranium to remain inside Iran, calling the reports "enemy propaganda."

Oil prices are falling on the news.

Oil is up two bucks for the day right now, just over $100 per bbl.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1311 on: Today at 12:09:21 pm »
Trump ran for POTUS based on his seeming to understand the perils of war, and especially the perils of getting bogged down in a Middle East war. Now he is about to deliver the mother of all TACOs by signing an agreement that legitimizes the most brutal regime in the world.

No, he should not escalate.  He should not have gotten involved in the first place. Now his hand is in the coconut, and the only way to get it out is to surrender his legacy (a la GWB) by escalating, or reward the mullahs with permanency.

If we have "won" this war, how is it that we cannot secure a simple little strait in which every other country in the region has a vested interest in keeping it secure?  By showing that we cannot secure Hormuz, we have demonstrated to the rest of the world just how inept and inert our military really is. It was all so unnecessary and shameful.

Literally tens of thousands of freedom-loving Iranians have been slaughtered, and Trump is going to give the murderers billions in war reparations, plus legitimacy in international trade in exchange for opening Hormuz and a moratorium on uranium enrichment. That is what a TACO tastes like.




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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1312 on: Today at 12:27:16 pm »
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 TV has obtained what it describes as the final draft of a prospective Pakistani mediated U.S.-Iran agreement, reportedly set to be announced within hours [It does not align with what I am hearing].

Key provisions include:
1) An immediate, comprehensive, and unconditional ceasefire on all fronts (land, sea, air)
2) Mutual commitment not to target military, civilian, or economic infrastructure
3) Cessation of military operations and instigating media warfare
3) Respect for sovereignty, territorial integrity, and non-interference in internal affairs
4) Guaranteed freedom of navigation in the Gulf, Strait of Hormuz, and Sea of Oman
5) Establishment of a joint monitoring and dispute resolution mechanism
6) Launch of negotiations on outstanding issues within seven days
7) Gradual lifting of U.S. sanctions in exchange for Iran's adherence to the terms
8) Affirmation of compliance with international law and the UN Charter

The agreement is stated to enter into force immediately upon formal announcement by both parties.



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If true then why did 47 even bother? The only thing these 'terms' seem to indicate is the Straits will be open as they were before 47 stepped in it. So it the larger scheme of things, all will be normal as before. Iran graciously accepts negotiations on "outstanding issues" - the Mullahs and the IRGC will remain in charge, and continue to slaughter Persians.

Then its more stalling, aka 'negotiations,' until Iran has at least a handful of nukes to use as the please, when they please, on targets that please them: special delivery IRBM package to Israel and another special delivery ICBM to NYC.

If 47 takes this deal, then he's a blowhard fool.




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If true then why did 47 even bother? The only thing these 'terms' seem to indicate is the Straits will be open as they were before 47 stepped in it. So it the larger scheme of things, all will be normal as before. Iran graciously accepts negotiations on "outstanding issues" - the Mullahs and the IRGC will remain in charge, and continue to slaughter Persians.

Then its more stalling, aka 'negotiations,' until Iran has at least a handful of nukes to use as the please, when they please, on targets that please them: special delivery IRBM package to Israel and another special delivery ICBM to NYC.

If 47 takes this deal, then he's a blowhard fool.

I don't recall Iran charging a toll to use the Strait before.  I could be wrong, but I doubt it.  Trump won't take the deal, but won't matter if he doesn't back up his position.
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He hasn't "Bungled" a damned thing.  His position is that the 60 day limit 'clock' STOPS during any ceasefire. (Bleep the Democrats).

He's showing the entire world and their suck-azz media that he's gone above/beyond to get Iran to end this 'peacefully'

I'm loading up on popcorn...because IMO, the shooting is going to start real soon...primarily the infrastructure of truck/rail routes toward their EAST to Pakistan...along with parts of Kharg Island's depots.


How many times has Trump extended Iran's deadline?   Take a look:

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« Reply #1315 on: Today at 12:49:20 pm »
How many times @DCPatriot  has Trump extended Iran's deadline?  I'm not trying to sway your opinion, I just think you need just may need a dose of reality:


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Anyone want to wager that this will result in yet another delay??
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EXPECTED TERMS IN "FINAL DRAFT" OF US-IRAN AGREEMENT:

1. Immediate and comprehensive ceasefire on all fronts

2. All parties mutually agree to refrain from targeting infrastructure

3. Freedom of navigation in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz is guaranteed under a "joint monitoring mechanism"

4. Sanctions will be "gradually lifted" in exchange for Iran's compliance with the terms of the deal

5. Negotiations on outstanding issues will begin within a maximum of 7 days

6. Iran's President Pezeshkian is leading efforts to restrain the IRGC from overstepping on political and diplomatic policy-making

The agreement is expected to be announced within the next "few hours."

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EXPECTED TERMS IN "FINAL DRAFT" OF US-IRAN AGREEMENT:

1. Immediate and comprehensive ceasefire on all fronts

2. All parties mutually agree to refrain from targeting infrastructure

3. Freedom of navigation in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz is guaranteed under a "joint monitoring mechanism"

4. Sanctions will be "gradually lifted" in exchange for Iran's compliance with the terms of the deal

5. Negotiations on outstanding issues will begin within a maximum of 7 days

6. Iran's President Pezeshkian is leading efforts to restrain the IRGC from overstepping on political and diplomatic policy-making

The agreement is expected to be announced within the next "few hours."

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What could possibly go wrong .... again??
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What could possibly go wrong .... again??

Same old shit... :shrug:
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If true, then that is the end. Trump has managed to LOSE a war which he had already WON by bending over backwards and going to extra mile to actively and purposely lose, by preventing and blocking Israel and the American Military from victory. Trump has somehow switched from attacking Iran to become Iran's most avid protector. Trump is protecting Iran from America and Israel by waving some fake "deal" in the air just like Chamberlain did, which nobody believes. I think even Trump knows that any deal with Iran is fundamentally bullshit.

More than just intentionally losing the military conflict, Trump has condemned tens of thousands of Iranian citizens to rape, torture, and death by the IRGC.

And, Trump has wrecked all American Military credibility. Trump went on a wild swing from, 'I will end your civilization!' to, please master will you please sign some piece of paper so I can declare 'victory' and go home. You can keep everything as it is and I will give you billions of dollars if you will just sign my paper. These are billions of dollars which Iran will use to rebuild its nuclear programs and to fund global terrorism all over the world.

This will be the first time in world history when the side which supposedly 'won' the war is groveling and begging the side which supposedly 'lost' to war to sign an agreement which only benefits the losing side.

In many ways, what Trump has done is worse than Obama and Biden.

It is all just so bizarre. It is beyond rational comprehension.

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If true, then that is the end. Trump has managed to LOSE a war which he had already WON by bending over backwards and going to extra mile to actively and  purposely lose by preventing and blocking Israel and the American Military from victory. Trump has somehow switched from attacking Iran to become Iran's most avid protector. Trump is protecting Iran from America and Israel by waving some fake "deal" in the air just like Chamberlain did, which nobody believes. I think even Trump knows that any deal with Iran is fundamentally bullshit.

More than just intentionally losing the military conflict, Trump has condemned tens of thousands of Iranian citizens to rape, torture, and death by the IRGC.


And, Trump has wrecked all American Military credibility. Trump went on a wild swing from, 'I will end your civilization!' to please master will you please sign some piece of paper so I can declare 'victory' and go home. You can keep everything as it is and I will give you billions of dollars if you will just sign my paper. These are billions of dollars which Iran will use to rebuild its nuclear programs and to fund global terrorism all over the world.

This will be the first time in world history when the side which supposedly 'won' the war is groveling and begging the side which supposedly 'lost' to war to sign an agreement which only benefits the losing side.

In many ways, what Trump has done is worse than Obama and Biden.

It is all just so bizarre. It is beyond rational comprehension.

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If true, then that is the end. Trump has managed to LOSE a war which he had already WON by bending over backwards and going to extra mile to actively and  purposely lose by preventing and blocking Israel and the American Military from victory. Trump has somehow switched from attacking Iran to become Iran's most avid protector. Trump is protecting Iran from America and Israel by waving some fake "deal" in the air just like Chamberlain did, which nobody believes. I think even Trump knows that any deal with Iran is fundamentally bullshit.

More than just intentionally losing the military conflict, Trump has condemned tens of thousands of Iranian citizens to rape, torture, and death by the IRGC.


And, Trump has wrecked all American Military credibility. Trump went on a wild swing from, 'I will end your civilization!' to please master will you please sign some piece of paper so I can declare 'victory' and go home. You can keep everything as it is and I will give you billions of dollars if you will just sign my paper. These are billions of dollars which Iran will use to rebuild its nuclear programs and to fund global terrorism all over the world.

This will be the first time in world history when the side which supposedly 'won' the war is groveling and begging the side which supposedly 'lost' to war to sign an agreement which only benefits the losing side.

In many ways, what Trump has done is worse than Obama and Biden.

It is all just so bizarre. It is beyond rational comprehension.

It is very bizarre ... unless he surprises everyone with a bold move and suddenly continues where he left off. 

If not ... Iran will have a stranglehold on most of the World.  God help us.
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« Reply #1324 on: Today at 02:48:23 pm »
Granted, "Time" is liberally biased, but now that it's a little dated, in hindsight the article is correct.  Again, I ask, why wasn't Rubio negotiating in lieu of Kushner?????   Kushner was the one who encouraged Trump to go to war .... now ...  here we sit...

'It's Not Working': Diplomats Fear Trump's Iran Envoys Are Making Things Worse


As the Trump administration weighs a second round of U.S.-Iran talks, the failure of negotiations in Pakistan is fueling concern about whether its envoys can deliver a deal.

Former diplomats tell TIME that Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff, who led the Iran negotiations with Vice President JD Vance, lack the expertise and diplomatic experience needed to secure an agreement. That, they warn, risks prolonging the war and further destabilizing the global economy.

“Iran and the U.S. under Kushner and Witkoff? Failure. They get an F in diplomacy,” said Aaron David Miller, a former US State Department Middle East negotiator who served six secretaries of state.

Miller pointed to Kushner and Witkoff’s track record, citing failed negotiations between Russia and Ukraine and stalled negotiations between Israel and Hamas as Israel continued its strikes in Gaza. He argued that while even the most experienced negotiators would face steep challenges in such conflicts, Kushner and Witkoff failed to convey to either side the sense of urgency that a desirable deal was within reach—an essential condition for pushing negotiations forward.

“You accept the notion that a successful negotiation, if you have urgency, is based on finding some balance of interest between the parties. If you want out of this, I think they're going to have to come up with something that allows the Iranians to say they won something,” Miller said, while suggesting that one possible concession could be giving Iran a pathway to resume uranium enrichment at a much later date.
Doubts over Kushner and Witkoff's diplomatic experience

Asked about Kushner and Witkoff’s future roles in the Iran discussion, a White House official told TIME that Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Witkoff and Kushner “have been working together on these discussions and will continue to do so.”

If talks resume, veteran diplomats say the U.S. delegation must recognize the importance of “doing their homework” and setting clearly defined goals.

David Satterfield, a former U.S. Ambassador to Turkey and a career diplomat for four decades, warned that if the administration cannot clearly articulate a set of strategic goals—both internally and publicly—the chance of reaching a deal with Iran will diminish.

“Not only does the U.S. need to make clear what its goals were, and to know internally where it was prepared to concede, and where it was not prepared to concede, where the line would be held, the red lines, but to have a realistic sense of what the other side was bringing with it,” Satterfield said.

Before joining the Trump administration, both Kushner and Witkoff were real estate businessmen with no government experience. Kushner, who serves the White House as a Special Envoy for Peace, has touted his diplomatic approach centered on finding shared interests.

“Make deals and not lecture the world,” Kushner explained in a joint interview with Witkoff in 2025. “Focus on interests over values sometimes, and figure out where we have joint interests with other countries and pursue those joint interests.”

He has also been accused of downplaying the importance of historical context in negotiations. During the Israel-Hamas war in 2023, Kushner said in an interview with Lex Fridman that he had told previous envoys in the Middle East, “I don't need a headache, and I don't need a history lesson.” ..............


................Lack of nuclear expertise complicates negotiations

Robert Einhorn, former senior State Department official who participated in the Iran nuclear negotiations from 2009 to 2013, said that unlike business deals—where negotiators may have authority to close an agreement on the spot—diplomatic negotiations on issues like denuclearization are constrained by domestic politics on both sides.

“The negotiator at the table has to think about how the domestic audiences will affect the outcome,” Einhorn said. “And I think the negotiator on a nuclear issue is more constrained by his or her government bureaucracy and by public opinion.”

Einhorn also noted that earlier Iran nuclear talks were a “methodical, deliberative interagency process that operated at all levels” of government, and that expert input is critical to achieving goals such as “no enrichment of uranium,” as President Trump demanded in a Truth Social post.

“What does it mean, zero enrichment?” Einhorn asked. “Does it mean no infrastructure supporting enrichment? Does it mean that already existing enriched uranium, including the 440 kilos of highly enriched uranium, would have to be exported or diluted? You have to have experts that understand the various dimensions of the problem.” ..................

https://time.com/article/2026/04/15/diplomats-fear-trump-iran-envoys-kushner-witkoff-nuclear/
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1325 on: Today at 02:50:42 pm »
If true, then that is the end. Trump has managed to LOSE a war which he had already WON by bending over backwards and going to extra mile to actively and purposely lose, by preventing and blocking Israel and the American Military from victory. Trump has somehow switched from attacking Iran to become Iran's most avid protector. Trump is protecting Iran from America and Israel by waving some fake "deal" in the air just like Chamberlain did, which nobody believes. I think even Trump knows that any deal with Iran is fundamentally bullshit.

More than just intentionally losing the military conflict, Trump has condemned tens of thousands of Iranian citizens to rape, torture, and death by the IRGC.

And, Trump has wrecked all American Military credibility. Trump went on a wild swing from, 'I will end your civilization!' to, please master will you please sign some piece of paper so I can declare 'victory' and go home. You can keep everything as it is and I will give you billions of dollars if you will just sign my paper. These are billions of dollars which Iran will use to rebuild its nuclear programs and to fund global terrorism all over the world.

This will be the first time in world history when the side which supposedly 'won' the war is groveling and begging the side which supposedly 'lost' to war to sign an agreement which only benefits the losing side.

In many ways, what Trump has done is worse than Obama and Biden.

It is all just so bizarre. It is beyond rational comprehension.



And worse than Chamberlain because nuclear weapons are involved. If 47 waves a piece of paper and declares victory, he will be an inconsequential footnote or be totally forgotten by history. Not to mention losing all credibility at home, while paving the way for permanent Democrat rule over the US.

That is if Iran does not nuke the US as soon as they can ...



Democrats would rather rule over ashes than govern a functioning Republic