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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1450 on: May 22, 2026, 03:34:18 pm »
@Smokin Joe

Thanks SJ...I feel better now and you are right on all fronts.

As you can see by some of my posts on this thread I have doubted and questioned Trump and his commitment to this war and how it's being handled...I have never doubted the military..NEVER THE MILITARY..I am my father's daughter..an Airforce Brat.
I had no issue with your posts, really. We are all wondering why Trump has gone well beyond what most of us consider patient and prudent with this negotiation bit, only to make no progress on the critical issues.

But that has been shown to be futile to even the most dense.
And that may just be the plan. As Iran continues to wave their swords and be belligerent, it should be obvious to the world that there will be no peaceful and acceptable resolution at this point.
And I am with you. Every mission our military has been given, they have accomplished, some of it amazing.
Now it is up to those with political power to use those capabilities to best accomplish strategic objectives.
I pray they all do their jobs well.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1451 on: May 22, 2026, 03:47:58 pm »
Sen. Roger Wicker warns Trump against Iran deal, says US must ‘finish what we started’

Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., is warning President Donald Trump against pursuing a diplomatic agreement with Iran, arguing that further negotiations would project "weakness" after recent US military action.

"We are at a moment that will define President Trump’s legacy," the Mississippi Republican wrote on X.

Wicker said Trump’s "instincts" had been to "finish the job" in Iran, but claimed the president was being "ill advised to pursue a deal that would not be worth the paper it is written on."

The senator called on Trump to allow US armed forces to continue degrading Iran’s military capabilities and reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a key global shipping route at the center of escalating regional tensions.

"Further pursuit of an agreement with Iran's Islamist regime risks a perception of weakness," Wicker wrote. "We must finish what we started. It is past time for action."

The comments come as debate intensifies inside Republican circles over whether the Trump administration should continue pursuing diplomacy with Tehran or escalate military pressure following recent clashes in the region.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1452 on: May 22, 2026, 03:48:35 pm »
Iran warns deal with US is not close, calls naval seizures ‘maritime piracy’

Iran’s Foreign Ministry pushed back Friday on growing optimism from Washington over ongoing negotiations with the Trump administration, warning that major differences between the two sides remain unresolved.

Speaking about renewed diplomatic efforts involving Pakistani Field Marshal Asim Munir’s visit to Tehran, Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei said the talks should not be interpreted as a sign that a breakthrough is imminent.

"Despite becoming more frequent, such exchanges are a continuation of the same diplomatic process. We cannot necessarily say we have reached a point where a deal is near," Baghaei said, according to Iran International.

"The differences between Iran and the United States are so deep and extensive that it cannot be said we must necessarily reach a result after a few rounds of visits or negotiations within a few weeks," he added.

Baghaei also said disputes over the Strait of Hormuz and what Tehran describes as US "maritime piracy" remain unresolved issues in the talks.

"Issues such as ending the war on all fronts, the situation in the Strait of Hormuz and an end to US maritime piracy remain under discussion," Baghaei said.

Iran has repeatedly used the term “piracy” to describe US seizures of Iranian-linked oil shipments and naval operations targeting vessels tied to Tehran.

The comments contrasted with remarks from Secretary of State Marco Rubio earlier Friday, when he said negotiators had seen “slight progress” and “a little bit of movement” in talks with Iran.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1453 on: May 22, 2026, 03:50:58 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1455 on: May 22, 2026, 03:52:45 pm »
Sen. Roger Wicker warns Trump against Iran deal, says US must ‘finish what we started’

Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., is warning President Donald Trump against pursuing a diplomatic agreement with Iran, arguing that further negotiations would project "weakness" after recent US military action.

"We are at a moment that will define President Trump’s legacy," the Mississippi Republican wrote on X.

Wicker said Trump’s "instincts" had been to "finish the job" in Iran, but claimed the president was being "ill advised to pursue a deal that would not be worth the paper it is written on."

The senator called on Trump to allow US armed forces to continue degrading Iran’s military capabilities and reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a key global shipping route at the center of escalating regional tensions.

"Further pursuit of an agreement with Iran's Islamist regime risks a perception of weakness," Wicker wrote. "We must finish what we started. It is past time for action."

The comments come as debate intensifies inside Republican circles over whether the Trump administration should continue pursuing diplomacy with Tehran or escalate military pressure following recent clashes in the region.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1456 on: May 22, 2026, 03:58:36 pm »

https://twitter.com/theOGalv/status/2057891450923213179

He's skipping Jr.'s wedding ... perhaps nothing more than a plausible excuse to  do so, but it is unlike him to miss family events.  Perhaps it was as simple as Trump didn't trust his security detail.  OR - maybe he wants Iran to believe he's on the verge of letting all hell break lose.  It's anybody's guess.

Time will tell I suppose. 
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1457 on: May 22, 2026, 04:57:55 pm »
Fishrrman's contribution to the thread for today -

My, how attitudes have changed in this forum over the last few months.

When I first posted the prediction that Mr. Trump's "air war" would fail, and that troops would be required, just about everyone else in this forum posted against the idea.

Then something called "reality" set in.

So here's my "why does the management even let him post this?" prediction for the day:
The USA-iran war is not going to end until nuclear weapons have been used.
Either by one side, or the other.
Or... by both.

(I'm not providing a time frame -- that's up to you)

C'mon, knock me down!
I'm easy!

But in a REAL "war with islam" (which is where we are heading), if you don't do it to them first, they WILL eventually do it to you.
No rules.
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Only... survival.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1458 on: May 22, 2026, 05:10:28 pm »
Betrayals by our own people do not equal lost causes Victor! @massadvj

In a democratic republic, no leader can or should carry on a war against the will of the people. When a president does so, he is the betrayer, not the people.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1459 on: May 22, 2026, 05:19:19 pm »
Fishrrman's contribution to the thread for today -

My, how attitudes have changed in this forum over the last few months.

When I first posted the prediction that Mr. Trump's "air war" would fail, and that troops would be required, just about everyone else in this forum posted against the idea.

Then something called "reality" set in.

So here's my "why does the management even let him post this?" prediction for the day:
The USA-iran war is not going to end until nuclear weapons have been used.
Either by one side, or the other.
Or... by both.

(I'm not providing a time frame -- that's up to you)

C'mon, knock me down!
I'm easy!

But in a REAL "war with islam" (which is where we are heading), if you don't do it to them first, they WILL eventually do it to you.
No rules.
No scruples.
No morals.
No principles.
Only... survival.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1460 on: May 22, 2026, 05:32:56 pm »

Mountains do not stop paratroopers, do not stop helicopter troops etc. It is not impossible, just difficult. The Straits would be secure, if 47 allowed the US military the freedom to secure it without countermanding the order hours or days later.

Unless 47 overthrows/does away with the Mad Mullahs and the IRGC, expect to be nuked a few months or years from now ... in accordance with their religious dream.

Had 47 not gone in when he did the chances are that Israel and other targets would have been nuked by now.

Taking those nut cases out is not a luxury, its a necessity.
If people think gas prices are high now, just wait until Iran starts slinging nukes around. Just one, and oil would double.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1461 on: May 22, 2026, 05:43:53 pm »
Fishrrman's contribution to the thread for today -

My, how attitudes have changed in this forum over the last few months.

When I first posted the prediction that Mr. Trump's "air war" would fail, and that troops would be required, just about everyone else in this forum posted against the idea.

Then something called "reality" set in.

So here's my "why does the management even let him post this?" prediction for the day:
The USA-iran war is not going to end until nuclear weapons have been used.
Either by one side, or the other.
Or... by both.

(I'm not providing a time frame -- that's up to you)

C'mon, knock me down!
I'm easy!

But in a REAL "war with islam" (which is where we are heading), if you don't do it to them first, they WILL eventually do it to you.
No rules.
No scruples.
No morals.
No principles.
Only... survival.
The only war that was given credit for having been won by bombing was WWII, and those nukes came on the heels of extensive actions throughout the Pacific and incendiary bombings that higher numbers of casualties.

In all other wars (and in WWII), bombing may have disrupted logistics and supply and damaged the ability of a country to wage war (which it did in the Pacific in WWII also), but it alone did not win the war.

Boots on the ground have been the price of victory.

It's either that or there will be a nuke involved somehow. If the whiz kids can come up with a low yield nuke on a bunker buster, to follow some conventional ones to clear the way, perhaps that can be made to look like the bombing set off a stash of nuclear material that was refined to weapons grade, causing a spontaneous ('accidental', of course), uncontrolled chain reaction, at least to a press that doesn't really know how such things work. Heck, that could even be the reason for the delay. It would give the other nuclear powers the option of embracing the fable instead of feeling like they have to either back down from a full scale war or respond in kind.

While that might do the trick, it would have to be kept very quiet and would be accompanied by extensive conventional bombing to look like part of such a campaign to keep the narrative from being picked apart right away.

Otherwise, someone trustworthy is going to have to put their feet in Iran to effect regime change, and I'm not sure anyone there can be trusted.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1462 on: May 22, 2026, 05:46:45 pm »
Otherwise, someone trustworthy is going to have to put their feet in Iran to effect regime change, and I'm not sure anyone there can be trusted.

We already know the Kurds can't be trusted.
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« Reply #1463 on: May 22, 2026, 05:54:48 pm »
We already know the Kurds can't be trusted.
Sadly true. I don't know what sort of weapons package they were supposed to pass on, (I would think mostly small arms, grenades, and the like), but it didn't get delivered.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1464 on: May 22, 2026, 05:57:38 pm »
We already know the Kurds can't be trusted.

   AND the Turks and Pakis.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1466 on: May 22, 2026, 06:10:14 pm »
In a democratic republic, no leader can or should carry on a war against the will of the people. When a president does so, he is the betrayer, not the people.

Are you implying that the conflict in Iran is a war against the will of Americans?? I for one am not against what was done over in Iran, what I am against and question is why we are at a standstill and the agenda of the U.S. as it was first relayed has not been completed.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1467 on: May 22, 2026, 06:11:50 pm »
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🚨 NOW: Instead of following the original schedule to chopper to Trump National in Bedminster, NJ, President Trump has just stepped off Marine One to jump back on Air Force One en route to DC

This was NOT part of the plan, which is causing a TON of speculation as to why 👀
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1468 on: May 22, 2026, 06:19:28 pm »
Iran moves to broaden its control over Hormuz, infuriating its Gulf neighbors and the US
Tehran publishes map asserting its control over area that extends into coastal waters of Oman and UAE; Rubio denounces move, five Gulf states protest it, Oman reportedly discussing it with Iran
By Agencies and ToI Staff Today, 3:36 pm

Iran has asserted expanded control over the Strait of Hormuz, publishing a map showing its claims extending into the coastal waters of the United Arab Emirates and Oman, and holding talks with Oman about sharing fees from ships traversing the waterway.

The move was denounced on Friday as unacceptable by US Secretary of State Mario Rubio, who urged all countries to oppose it, and prompted a letter of protest from five Gulf states. US President Donald Trump on Thursday stressed, “We want [the Strait of Hormuz] open, we want it free. We don’t want tolls. It’s an international waterway.”

Iran’s newly created Persian Gulf Strait Authority announced the new arrangements on Wednesday, declaring there would henceforth be a “controlled maritime zone” at the strait.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1469 on: May 22, 2026, 06:30:52 pm »
Sadly true. I don't know what sort of weapons package they were supposed to pass on, (I would think mostly small arms, grenades, and the like), but it didn't get delivered.

That's correct. We won't be handing off more to the Kurds.  They had their chance and they blew it!
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« Reply #1470 on: May 22, 2026, 06:31:07 pm »
In a democratic republic, no leader can or should carry on a war against the will of the people. When a president does so, he is the betrayer, not the people.

Yep you are right - even if the enemy is about to nuke you, no President should betray the people's desire for cheap food and cheaper gas with a war they don't want. Best to let the people be nuked instead, right?
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« Reply #1471 on: May 22, 2026, 06:32:13 pm »
If people think gas prices are high now, just wait until Iran starts slinging nukes around. Just one, and oil would double.

Just one and the price of oil will be the least of your troubles ...
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« Reply #1472 on: May 22, 2026, 06:32:29 pm »
Regime change is impossible in Iran. The mountains protect Tehran from invasion forces, plus the mullahs have literally killed every potential dissident leader in the country.  A US military that cannot secure the Strait of Hormuz certainly cannot defeat a regime that will kill every civilian if it has to, and will fight to the very last man.

Question:  Then how did the Shah get overthrown?     :whistle:
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1473 on: May 22, 2026, 06:32:51 pm »
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In the last few minutes, Iran warned Trump against striking them, the Qatari delegation left the country, and Iran closed their airspace in the West til Monday, and scrambled a few fighter jets (yes they still have a few)

Not looking good. Fingers crossed
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1475 on: May 22, 2026, 06:34:32 pm »
Iran moves to broaden its control over Hormuz, infuriating its Gulf neighbors and the US
Tehran publishes map asserting its control over area that extends into coastal waters of Oman and UAE; Rubio denounces move, five Gulf states protest it, Oman reportedly discussing it with Iran
By Agencies and ToI Staff Today, 3:36 pm

Iran has asserted expanded control over the Strait of Hormuz, publishing a map showing its claims extending into the coastal waters of the United Arab Emirates and Oman, and holding talks with Oman about sharing fees from ships traversing the waterway.

The move was denounced on Friday as unacceptable by US Secretary of State Mario Rubio, who urged all countries to oppose it, and prompted a letter of protest from five Gulf states. US President Donald Trump on Thursday stressed, “We want [the Strait of Hormuz] open, we want it free. We don’t want tolls. It’s an international waterway.”

Iran’s newly created Persian Gulf Strait Authority announced the new arrangements on Wednesday, declaring there would henceforth be a “controlled maritime zone” at the strait.

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-moves-to-broaden-its-control-over-hormuz-infuriating-its-gulf-neighbors-and-the-us/

If Iran was infuriating its Gulf neighbors and the U.S. you would think that they just might come together to retaliate?  So far, that doesn't seem to be the case.  Iran to me is playing 'chicken' .... taunting its Gulf neighbors and/or the U.S. to make a move.

I can only conclude at this point, that there is proof that Iran now has nuclear capabilities; they are holding most of the World hostage.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1476 on: May 22, 2026, 06:36:02 pm »
Question:  Then how did the Shah get overthrown?     :whistle:

That was then .... this is now ....  :shrug:
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1477 on: May 22, 2026, 06:45:01 pm »
Just one and the price of oil will be the least of your troubles ...

Absolutely.  Point well made.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1478 on: May 22, 2026, 06:51:25 pm »
Absolutely.  Point well made.

I hope they nuke NYC, but they'll probably shoot for DeeCee.  It would be easier to sail a ship into New York, but DeeCee would be vulnerable to missiles. Either way,  Western Arizona is safe, even if they decide Las Vegas would be fun.
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« Reply #1480 on: May 22, 2026, 07:01:55 pm »
I hope they nuke NYC, but they'll probably shoot for DeeCee.  It would be easier to sail a ship into New York, but DeeCee would be vulnerable to missiles. Either way,  Western Arizona is safe, even if they decide Las Vegas would be fun.

I think they'll likely aim for NJ or FL (homes of Trump).

Then ... there's the drone issue in Cuba.  Either way FL is a target!  **nononono*
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« Reply #1481 on: May 22, 2026, 07:04:59 pm »
In a democratic republic, no leader can or should carry on a war against the will of the people. When a president does so, he is the betrayer, not the people.
@massadvj Wrong, there are times when a true leader must step up and do the most unpopular thing simply because it is either the best choice or the only option for the good of the majority of the people.
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« Reply #1482 on: May 22, 2026, 07:16:59 pm »
Just one and the price of oil will be the least of your troubles ...
I do not expect they will hit the US with the first one, if it comes to that.

Anything in the region, it becomes a question of retaliation .  If it's ours, beyond a measured response, there is a question of escalation. Then the question is one of whether others get involved.
If Israel gets hit, they will unleash all hell on Iran. If the target is of religious importance, there is a possibility that retaliatory strikes would also hit sites of religious importance to Shiites and Muslims in general. of those, only Qom and Mashad are in Iran. Qom is especially important to the 12ers, but the 12th Imam is supposed to reveal himself in Mecca near the Kabba, and not emerge from a well.

if there i extensive damage in the region, and the US does not get hit, there is a strong possibility that oil would spike and even hold at double or more the current price. I'd have to go back to work in the industry, just to augment my retirement.
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« Reply #1483 on: May 22, 2026, 07:24:57 pm »
@massadvj Wrong, there are times when a true leader must step up and do the most unpopular thing simply because it is either the best choice or the only option for the good of the majority of the people.



I asked this question of my dad about  WWII. He said there were many people opposed during that time. But I'm sure that they kept a low profile.

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« Reply #1484 on: May 22, 2026, 07:34:24 pm »


I asked this question of my dad about  WWII. He said there were many people opposed during that time. But I'm sure that they kept a low profile.
There were draft riots in New York City...in 1863.

There have always been people who objected to the war at hand. Presidents who carried out military operations over objection include Lincoln, Johnson (Lyndon, not Andrew), and others.

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« Reply #1485 on: May 22, 2026, 07:39:34 pm »
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« Reply #1486 on: May 22, 2026, 07:59:53 pm »
We already know the Kurds can't be trusted.

It’s the Kurds who know that the US can’t be trusted.
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« Reply #1491 on: May 22, 2026, 08:22:26 pm »
In a democratic republic, no leader can or should carry on a war against the will of the people. When a president does so, he is the betrayer, not the people.
Tell that to Iran, who started this.

Whoops - not  Democratic Republic, so guess it is exempt.
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« Reply #1492 on: May 22, 2026, 08:25:50 pm »
   AND the Turks and Pakis.
Let's be brief and to the point:  All Muslim countries.
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« Reply #1493 on: May 22, 2026, 08:34:39 pm »
It’s the Kurds who know that the US can’t be trusted.

Is that why they pocketed the weapons we gave them ro Supply the Iranians rising up against the IRGC?
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« Reply #1497 on: May 22, 2026, 08:48:32 pm »
I think they'll likely aim for NJ or FL (homes of Trump).

Then ... there's the drone issue in Cuba.  Either way FL is a target!  **nononono*
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« Reply #1498 on: May 22, 2026, 08:58:36 pm »
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« Reply #1499 on: May 22, 2026, 09:05:22 pm »
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