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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1350 on: Today at 05:41:14 pm »
The Middle East was a VERY different place before 1979 and Jimmuh CAAATA unleashed hell on the earth!

The countries of the Middle East, including Israel, try to play every president like a violin. Reagan had the good sense not to take the bait. Trump led us to believe he would not be played, either.  And yet, here we are.


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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1351 on: Today at 05:45:38 pm »
The countries of the Middle East, including Israel, try to play every president like a violin. Reagan had the good sense not to take the bait. Trump led us to believe he would not be played, either.  And yet, here we are.

Trump's mistake was taking his foot off of the gas when he had this won! I hope whoever advised him to do that rots in hell but the buck stops with Trump!!
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1352 on: Today at 05:53:40 pm »
The Middle East was a VERY different place before 1979 and Jimmuh CAAATA unleashed hell on the earth!

And then W swooped in and eliminated the only power willing and strong enough to restrain Iran.  More proof that the US has no business meddling in the Middle East. 

Trump won in 2024 in no small part because he claimed to understand this.  Now it's looking more and more like Trump simply lied.   **nononono*

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1353 on: Today at 05:59:47 pm »
It doesn't take TDS to be blinded to where this is currently going or to recognize that Trump and crew seriously miscalculated what it would take to achieve his stated goals. It has cost tens of thousands of Iranian citizens their life. That is no small thing.

Any country that would butcher upwards of 45K of their UNARMED citizens simply for protesting their government leaders...that fact alone is exactly why they can under no circumstances possess nuclear arms.

Still maintain that the US and Israel can squish Iran like the cockroaches they are.  Anytime they want. 

Godspeed, Mr. President!!


 
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1354 on: Today at 06:04:14 pm »
Any country that would butcher upwards of 45K of their UNARMED citizens simply for protesting their government leaders...that fact alone is exactly why they can under no circumstances possess nuclear arms.

Still maintain that the US and Israel can squish Iran like the cockroaches they are.  Anytime they want. 

Godspeed, Mr. President!!


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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1355 on: Today at 06:18:04 pm »
Reports do not point to just Kushner @libertybele -----


SOS Rubio's initial explanation for the preemptive US strikes against Iran in March 2026 (restarting the war) -----

No @Right_in_Virginia it was Jared!

Donald Trump publicly stated that he launched military strikes on Iran following the advice of advisors including his son-in-law and former senior advisor, Jared Kushner.

The specific role Kushner played in the Iran offensive included:

    The Negotiation Stance: Alongside special envoy Steve Witkoff, Kushner advised Trump that Tehran was not serious about negotiations and was stalling on relinquishing its nuclear capabilities.

    Imminent Threat Assessment: Kushner, alongside Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and other officials, reportedly convinced the President that Iran posed an immediate threat to U.S. interests, pushing Trump toward decisive military action.
 
  Criticism and Conflicts: Critics and intelligence officials have scrutinized this advice, citing that Kushner's private equity firm, Affinity Partners, secured major funding from Middle Eastern states that were lobbying for a hardline stance against Iran.

Furthermore, U.S. intelligence reports contradicted the assessment that an Iranian attack on American forces was imminent.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1357 on: Today at 06:22:31 pm »
No Iran, US deal reached yet, gaps narrow in Trump nuclear negotiations: report

No deal had been reached with the U.S. as of Thursday, a senior Iranian source told Reuters, while also claiming gaps had narrowed.

Iran has been reviewing the latest peace proposal from President Donald Trump as he warned that further military action remains on the table.

The outlet also reported Iran’s uranium enrichment and Tehran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz continued to be among the sticking points.

This came as a member of Iran’s Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Committee told state TV that Tehran could act first to break the ceasefire if it believed a U.S. base was preparing an attack.

Fadahossein Maleki, a member of Iran’s Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Committee, told state TV, “Anything is possible.”

“It could even come from Iran’s side, frankly. If we feel that something is happening from a U.S. base, Iran has the legitimacy to respond and prevent it,” he said, according to Iran International.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1358 on: Today at 06:23:12 pm »
US reportedly used over half its THAAD interceptors defending Israel from Iran

The U.S. used more than half of its THAAD anti-missile interceptor inventory defending Israel from Iranian attacks during the war, according to reports.

The Washington Post reported the U.S. also used more than 100 SM-3 and SM-6 interceptors, while Israel used fewer than 100 Arrow interceptors and around 90 David’s Sling interceptors.

Citing an official, the outlet reported that if fighting resumes with Iran, the U.S. would likely need to use even more interceptors because the IDF has sent some missile defense batteries for maintenance.

“Israel is not capable of fighting and winning wars on its own, but nobody actually knows this because they never see the back end,” the official said.

The Pentagon denied there was any issue with sharing resources with Israel, saying, “Ballistic missile interceptors are just one tool in a vast network of systems and capabilities.”

The Israeli Embassy in Washington also said, “The U.S. has no other partner with the military willingness, readiness, shared interests and capabilities of Israel.”
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1359 on: Today at 06:23:56 pm »
Iran missile production ‘crippled,’ regime scrambling with ‘makeshift’ arsenal: defense expert

Iran’s missile production capability has been severely crippled by recent military strikes, a leading defense expert said Thursday, pushing back on reports that Tehran has rebuilt parts of its military infrastructure faster than expected since the ceasefire began.

Draganfly CEO Cameron Chell’s remarks also came as President Donald Trump continued to pause U.S. military action while Iran reviewed Washington’s response to a proposed ceasefire framework.

“I doubt the hypersonic weapons or cruise missiles are being replenished by Iran, and it will not be at any notable speed,” defense expert Chell told Fox News Digital.

“Those are very difficult to build and require sophisticated facilities, most of which would have been already targeted by the United States,” he added.

“Those equipment parts are also much harder to get than other types of equipment.”

While Chell said Iran’s borders are “very porous” and that Iran’s allies are doing everything they can to funnel parts into the country, he said the infrastructure had already been thoroughly destroyed.

“It’s probably more than six months at the very minimum to be able to produce something again,” he said.

“Even then, it would be makeshift and wouldn't be the precision-type weapons that they've had the luxury of building over the last several years in fully equipped facilities that were properly supplied.”

“This would be overt supply and overt manufacturing, all of which would be substandard or subpar,” Chell added.

A report by CNN, citing sources familiar with U.S. intelligence assessments, suggested Iran’s military is reconstituting certain capabilities degraded by U.S.-Israeli strikes much faster than initially estimated.

The report claimed Iran had already restarted some of its weapons production during the six-week ceasefire that began in early April.

“Even just to start to get weapons replenished, it wouldn't be at scale, and the quality of the equipment wouldn't match what they had,” Chell clarified.

“I don't believe those precision missile systems are getting back up into production,” he added.

“Only less sophisticated drones — things like the equivalents of the Shahed 136, the 139, or certainly the Category 1 FPV one-way attributable drones would be able to be replenished and at scale.”

On Thursday, the White House also swiftly dismissed the reports, stating they undermined the “great work of our American troops abroad.”

Pentagon Press Secretary Joel Valdez said in a statement: “It is so disgraceful that CNN and others are acting as public relations agents for the Iranian regime in order to paint Operation Epic Fury as anything other than a historic accomplishment. We have had incredible battlefield successes, and yet the fake news media is still trying to undermine the great work of our American troops abroad.”
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1361 on: Today at 06:27:53 pm »
.................."He decided to hold back on targeting Iran's critical infrastructure, Trump explained, because Kushner and Witkoff had "very good" talks over the weekend with unnamed "respected" Iranian officials on ending hostilities............."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-kushner-witkoff-rubio-and-vance-are-in-negotiations-with-iran-trump-says
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1362 on: Today at 06:54:52 pm »
US reportedly used over half its THAAD interceptors defending Israel from Iran

The U.S. used more than half of its THAAD anti-missile interceptor inventory defending Israel from Iranian attacks during the war, according to reports.

The Washington Post reported the U.S. also used more than 100 SM-3 and SM-6 interceptors, while Israel used fewer than 100 Arrow interceptors and around 90 David’s Sling interceptors.

Citing an official, the outlet reported that if fighting resumes with Iran, the U.S. would likely need to use even more interceptors because the IDF has sent some missile defense batteries for maintenance.

“Israel is not capable of fighting and winning wars on its own, but nobody actually knows this because they never see the back end,” the official said.

The Pentagon denied there was any issue with sharing resources with Israel, saying, “Ballistic missile interceptors are just one tool in a vast network of systems and capabilities.”

The Israeli Embassy in Washington also said, “The U.S. has no other partner with the military willingness, readiness, shared interests and capabilities of Israel.”
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #1363 on: Today at 06:57:44 pm »


Pentagon Press Secretary Joel Valdez said in a statement: “It is so disgraceful that CNN and others are acting as public relations agents for the Iranian regime in order to paint Operation Epic Fury as anything other than a historic accomplishment. We have had incredible battlefield successes, and yet the fake news media is still trying to undermine the great work of our American troops abroad.”
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis