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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2300 on: April 08, 2026, 05:01:11 pm »
Take it with a block of salt.  This poster called for Trump to be removed with the 25th Amendment last night....

I get that ... I also realize that there are stark differences in reporting. 

Personally, I like Bibi.  I think he is good for Israel.  Sure there are  reports of how terrible he is and there are many reports of how lucky Israel is to have a leader like Bibi.  Lots of propaganda out there for sure.

The 'about face' from the poster you are referring to has surprised me, but she still is entitled to her opinion.

Trump's recent moves and the 'ceasefire' with Iran has given me some reason to be concerned ... so it's a wait and see right now.   

Invoking the 25th after all Trump has accomplished would be unwarranted! 

Honestly, I'm more concerned with the 3 Amigos right now; Vance, Witcoff and Kushner.  I somewhat trust Vance and the other two I don't trust at all. Our fate is in their hands.  :shrug:
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2301 on: April 08, 2026, 05:02:32 pm »
If this guy is still alive nothing has changed for the Iranian people


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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2302 on: April 08, 2026, 05:10:40 pm »
Severe disagreement at the top of power; Doctors: Vahidi and Abdullahi are leading the country towards disaster
18 April 1405 [ Iranian date, page is in Arabic/Persian ]

Excerpt:

Exclusive reports received by Iran International indicate an unprecedented deepening of the rift at the top of the power pyramid in the Islamic Republic, leading to continued conflicts and open confrontation between Masoud Pezzekian, the head of government in the Islamic Republic, and senior commanders of the Revolutionary Guard Corps.

According to 2 sources close to the Presidential office, on Saturday, April 5, a heated discussion took place between Masoud Pezzekian and Hossein Taeb, figures close to Mojtaba Khamenei, which those present described as "very difficult and critical."

In this meeting, Massoud Pezzekian called the actions of Ahmad Vahidi, Commander-in-Chief of the Revolutionary Guards, and Ali Abdullahi, Commander of the Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters, "arbitrary" and said that their policies of intensifying attacks on regional countries, especially the infrastructure of regional countries, have destroyed all opportunities for achieving a ceasefire and are leading the Islamic Republic directly towards a huge disaster.

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« Reply #2303 on: April 08, 2026, 05:20:17 pm »


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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2304 on: April 08, 2026, 05:22:43 pm »
I get that ... I also realize that there are stark differences in reporting. 

Personally, I like Bibi.  I think he is good for Israel.  Sure there are  reports of how terrible he is and there are many reports of how lucky Israel is to have a leader like Bibi.  Lots of propaganda out there for sure.

The 'about face' from the poster you are referring to has surprised me, but she still is entitled to her opinion.

Trump's recent moves and the 'ceasefire' with Iran has given me some reason to be concerned ... so it's a wait and see right now.   

Invoking the 25th after all Trump has accomplished would be unwarranted! 

Honestly, I'm more concerned with the 3 Amigos right now; Vance, Witcoff and Kushner.  I somewhat trust Vance and the other two I don't trust at all. Our fate is in their hands.  :shrug:

Mrs. Liberty's theory is that Trump declared a ceasefire last night to get the women and children human shields away from the power plants a bridge last night....
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2305 on: April 08, 2026, 05:44:28 pm »
Mrs. Liberty's theory is that Trump declared a ceasefire last night to get the women and children human shields away from the power plants a bridge last night....

That's always a possibility .... but his time under the "War Powers Act" is coming to an end soon  -- and then what.

I very briefly watched a video clip of Hegseth being questioned after the presser this a.m.  He seemed almost jovial which struck me as odd. 

There are reports that 50,000 troops will be withdrawn from the area, but Hegseth stated troops would remain in place just in case.  So -- which is it??

There's no way Congress is going to let Trump continue on.  He had his chance.  Who advised him to back down?? Kushner - if so, that snake in the grass sealed the fate of our country.  He'll have information that most of us don't have and can move his family out of harms way very rapidly and probably already has a place secured  -- the rest of us -- well -- if Iran has nukes or a nuke, we're not going to know what hit us.

Just the way I see what has transpired recently.  He's gone from leaving no man behind with one of the most successful rescue missions in history to making a deal with Satan?  Something just isn't right.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2306 on: April 08, 2026, 05:46:57 pm »
One little side note.... one strategic bit of that is being overlooked is that Trump is endorsing (creating) a toll and surcharge system that is adding to the bottom line of doing oil business in the Middle East.  It is no secret that the Middle East has strategic advantages over us in areas of cheaper safety, environmental, labor, transportation costs etc, etc,. etc.

Trump's idea will level that playing field, and make the U.S. more competitive on the world oil markets.   The whole idea sucks on security, but he thinks there are some side benefits economically.  But, OTOH, if he somehow does able to some how wrangle positive regime change?   He'll come out looking like a genius.
How long will paying that toll take to make the idea of long pipelines elsewhere economical?
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2307 on: April 08, 2026, 05:50:43 pm »
From reply 2103 above:
"Iran announced a ceasefire with the United States and Israel, but fresh video evidence shows the regime immediately violated it by launching missiles at multiple targets across the region."

I have only one word to say regarding this "truce":
Hudna ...
Of course. Now closely watch traffic patterns, movements, where repairs and materials are going. Monitor signals and movements to locate command and control.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2308 on: April 08, 2026, 06:12:09 pm »
How long will paying that toll take to make the idea of long pipelines elsewhere economical?

I know we both. come from this industry, but a guess on pipeline construction timing would be WAG for me.  A lot depends on terrain, geology of the digging, getting pipe, getting labor, metering and process interphases, design, , and most of important time consuming of all, a construction of new terminal in what might constitute a war zone.

Then 20 miles of real estate through Oman and the Emeriates.  I don't know...  maybe 6-12 months if permanent construction.  Closer to 6 if short cuts are taken, and an ultimate priority is given to the project.  Economics?  They obviously suck, unless keeping the Strait open long term becomes problematic.  Then the obvious opposite.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2311 on: April 08, 2026, 07:28:35 pm »
Take it with a block of salt.  This poster called for Trump to be removed with the 25th Amendment last night....

She has gone full Candice Owens.  Bat Shit crazy.  Jooo hater. Trump wife hater. She is a Tucker.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2313 on: April 08, 2026, 07:32:59 pm »
Ya know...this didn't bother me..this is how you have to talk to these lunatics, that's all they understand.


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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2317 on: April 08, 2026, 07:57:24 pm »
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Breaking: Iranian media: Pakistan handed the United States a version different from the one it received from Iran, and provided Iran with a different version from what it received from Washington.

Why would anyone be surprised by that?  Trump and Witkoff, I guess...
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2318 on: April 08, 2026, 07:58:09 pm »

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2041979505061896396

Ok .... reports are coming in throughout the day that Iran is NOT opening the Strait of Hormuz .... so .... how exactly is Trump holding Iran to the 'deal'???
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2319 on: April 08, 2026, 08:02:18 pm »
I hear you @Lando Lincoln I have all but given up.
Aww, shucks, guys. Pull up a stump and enjoy the show.

 :2popcorn: :pop41:

This isn't over by a longshot.
I even caught the two variants of 'the deal' about 50 posts back, one from Kuwait and UAE (favorable) and one from "West Asia" (horsepucky, made POTUS look like he'd surrendered), and pointed out they were different. (very different)...

Of course, the TDS crowd posted the "West Asian" version...

Like so much else, at this point there is more disinformation in play than fact.
Time to give it a minute and see how this plays out.

So stay calm, people. We can always panic later. :laugh:
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2320 on: April 08, 2026, 08:02:40 pm »

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/2041993147673088201

Ok ... this is the second time stories have surfaced that Bibi slanted the truth in order to get Trump/US involved.

Logically, you would think our Secy' of State, Secy' of War, Ratcliffe, and generals would have confirmed the information that Bibi was giving as accurate before making a move.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2321 on: April 08, 2026, 08:03:47 pm »
Aww, shucks, guys. Pull up a stump and enjoy the show.

 :2popcorn: :pop41:

This isn't over by a longshot.
I even caught the two variants of 'the deal' about 50 posts back, one from Kuwait and UAE (favorable) and one from "West Asia" (horsepucky, made POTUS look like he'd surrendered), and pointed out they were different. (very different)...

Of course, the TDS crowd posted the "West Asian" version...

Like so much else, at this point there is more disinformation in play than fact.
Time to give it a minute and see how this plays out.

So stay calm, people. We can always panic later. :laugh:

I will try to heed your advice. (Not easy for me).
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2322 on: April 08, 2026, 08:04:38 pm »
Someone needs to slap Trump. You cannot make a 'deal' with savage barbarians in a fanatical religious Death Cult.
"Bridge and Power Plant Day" should be put back on the front burner.
It will come at night, without announcement when it does.

The Regime has already demonstrated to the world its willingness to use kids as human shields, and we our unwillingness to bomb them.

Now let the kids go home, then pound the targets.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2323 on: April 08, 2026, 08:05:44 pm »
Trusting Pakistan as an "unbiased mediator" is a BAD move.

"Double-dealing Pakistan is the danger looming over critical US-Iran talks"

https://nypost.com/2026/04/08/opinion/double-dealing-pakistan-is-the-danger-looming-over-critical-us-iran-talks/
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« Reply #2324 on: April 08, 2026, 08:08:02 pm »
Trump critics go from outrage over Iran threat to mocking him as 'chicken' for not following through
Liberals dust off ‘TACO’ memes to taunt the president for agreeing to ceasefire

Prominent liberals, including the Democratic National Committee (DNC), have used the acronym TACO for "Trump Always Chickens Out" to provoke Trump's ire. The phrase was first coined by Wall Street analysts when referring to Trump's tariff policies, suggesting Trump will walk back the steep reciprocal tariffs he announced in 2025.

On Tuesday morning, Trump critics rushed to social media to denounce the president’s threat against Iran that an entire "civilization will die tonight," with many suggesting he wanted to commit "genocide" and others calling for the 25th Amendment.

By that evening, Trump agreed to a two-week ceasefire with Iran, allowing both sides to continue to negotiate without further military action. But rather than celebrating that a "genocide" wouldn’t take place, various Trump critics dusted off the TACO acronym. .

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2326 on: April 08, 2026, 08:08:56 pm »
I'm not sure where you got the 200M figure, but it's $2,000,000 per vessel.
That adds from $1 to $5 per barrel in transit fee, depending on the size of the vessel.

To put that in perspective, that isn't enough of an increase to get the US drilling rig count to rise.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2327 on: April 08, 2026, 08:14:34 pm »
Exactly
That's what I thought the 'pause' was for. Call a ceasefire. Have Iran clear the bridges and other sites.
Then go in without saying anything and blow them all up 'in an hour' as Trump kept saying.
Unfortunately, I think Trump's team thinks Iran is actually serious.
Well, hopefully our airmen have had a nice rest, and the plane captains and maintenance folks are caught up on the 'gripe sheets' and other maintenance tasks for another round.  Whatever break they take can be used to get a second wind.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2328 on: April 08, 2026, 08:25:25 pm »
Listen dude, I'm old enough to remember all the evil that the Iranian Islamic Republic has brought to the world since 1979, along with all the dead and wounded Americans, beginning with the 1983 Beirut Marine Barracks bombing.  So it's finally payback time, and I want to see Trump finish the job and win, and settle all "family business" in the Middle East, once and for all.

Making deals, implementing absurd ceasefires, and recalling our big strategic strike packages at the last possible minute ain't doing that.

Finish the regime and be done with it, and stop with the stupid dealmaking.

That's all I want out of this.  The end of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Chess, not checkers. Facts, not speculation.
The Iranian version of the cease fire agreement was vastly different from the version circulated by UAE and Kuwait.

(Yes, Virginia, they lie like a fine rug).

The Iranians were launching missiles well into the 'cease fire', and not just at Israel.

(They have no intention of ceasing hostilities).

The Iranians have stepped up the execution of dissidents in custody.

(That's what they are using the hudna for?)

The Iranians will move materiel to advantageous positions, dig out the important sites, and possibly expose the location of command and control assets.

(Take notes, mark the maps).

All in all, within 24 hours the Iranians have PROVEN to the world that they cannot be negotiated with.
All the groveling about negotiated solutions is just nonsense, because they have shown they will not act in good faith.

The case for renewed hostilities is laid out, Q.E.D.
 
All the partisan and TDS sniveling and quibbling will not change what the Regime in Iran has openly demonstrated. I hope our guys grabbed some good sleep and enjoyed the stand down.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2330 on: April 08, 2026, 08:46:05 pm »
The ceasefire is over. Iran insisted on attacking Israel.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2331 on: April 08, 2026, 09:05:04 pm »

All in all, within 24 hours the Iranians have PROVEN to the world that they cannot be negotiated with.
All the groveling about negotiated solutions is just nonsense, because they have shown they will not act in good faith.
The mission statement of the religious theocracy in Iran is to devise and actualize a global apocalypse to bring about the end of the world so their messiah will appear and will come to Earth.

With such a Holy and Glorious mission, mundane morality or rules, agreements, and laws, do not apply to them. They are anointed and above all those worldly concerns.

All through history, attempting to 'negotiate' with fatalistic end-of-the-world cults is futile. Because they just don't care about anything. They believe they are in the hands of God.
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If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2332 on: April 08, 2026, 09:14:40 pm »
I know we both. come from this industry, but a guess on pipeline construction timing would be WAG for me.  A lot depends on terrain, geology of the digging, getting pipe, getting labor, metering and process interphases, design, , and most of important time consuming of all, a construction of new terminal in what might constitute a war zone.

Then 20 miles of real estate through Oman and the Emeriates.  I don't know...  maybe 6-12 months if permanent construction.  Closer to 6 if short cuts are taken, and an ultimate priority is given to the project.  Economics?  They obviously suck, unless keeping the Strait open long term becomes problematic.  Then the obvious opposite.

What's your take?
Well, the Saudis already built a pipeline to the Red Sea, across the peninsula. I have seen claims it cost 7 million a day to operate, and the ships still have to get past the Houthis (Iran proxy) in Yemen. The line consists of two pipelines, one with a 7 million BOPD capacity, the other, if converted from Natural Gas and NGL to crude oil can add another 2MM BOPD to the line' capacity. Advertising it might mean it becomes a target, so any use and traffic would be kept on the down low as much as possible.

All the regional problems here seem to come back to the same source.
The Iranian Regime backed and trained proxies in Lebanon, Yemen, and Gaza (and likely elsewhere, including Syria), and have also worked hand in hand with the Russians to arm them with drones to use against Ukraine.

Pull the problem out by the roots.

For those of us who are not TDS sufferers and against this action because: Trump, and who aren't beholden to some version of Islam, it's pretty obvious that the only way to solve a lot of problems is to stop swatting flies and get rid of the carrion on the doorstep. Otherwise we are treating the symptoms and not the disease. We need to finish what we have started. Unfortunately, the domestic American TDS media is working overtime to publish every negative and blow it out of proportion. Suddenly, the Left half of Congress is wailing to the rooftops over the loss fewer troops than we lost guarding an airport gate in Afghanistan, and fewer aircraft than they gave the Taliban when we pulled out over there.

They seek, desperately, to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and to use that as a political talking point among their seriously addled supporters (and to get the dead/nonexistent/illegal alien vote, too).

The Saudis do get props for foreseeing this sort of problem and taking proactive steps to still get their product out, but that may be the very reason the Iranian Mullahs backed the Houthis to counter that.   As for cost or even effectiveness, this was built in 1980 to bypass the Straits of Hormuz during the Iran/Iraq war during the "Tanker War". What it would cost to build another is something I could not begin to guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Crude_Oil_Pipeline#/media/File:East-West_crude_oil_pipeline.svg

See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habshan%E2%80%93Fujairah_oil_pipeline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Arabian_Pipeline (much has changed since this one, shut down in 1990)
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2333 on: April 08, 2026, 09:16:41 pm »
Surprise???  Not.
It explains the two different versions posted on X last night (and reposted here).
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2334 on: April 08, 2026, 09:21:19 pm »
The ceasefire is over. Iran insisted on attacking Israel.

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Please link to this news.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2335 on: April 08, 2026, 09:21:22 pm »

https://twitter.com/A_M_R_M1/status/2042021545384562951
Once more, with feeling.

That 'source' posts from "West Asia".
They posted a version of the "ceasefire agreement" that looked like total US capitulation, too.
Very different from the versions posted out of UAE and Kuwait.
Iran can pump out disinformation, too.

Know your sources! Anyone in Iran posting regularly is likely to be connected to the regime.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2336 on: April 08, 2026, 09:48:56 pm »
Krishnamoorthi: I Fear Trump Might ‘Provoke’ Iran to Commit Terrorism on U.S. Soil

On Wednesday’s broadcast of CNN International’s “The Brief,” Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL) discussed Iran and said that “my biggest fear is that the rhetoric that Donald Trump uses, the actions that he takes, could actually provoke them to take preemptive action, such as maybe a terrorist attack on American soil or against American interests elsewhere or using ballistic missiles.”

Krishnamoorthi said, “I think that the fact that the president did not take escalatory actions, military actions after those maniacal tweets that he put out, means that we’re, hopefully, in the direction of non-escalation, which is something. I’d like to see it go to a different place. I’m hopeful that the talks yield something that is more long-lasting than a two-week ceasefire.”

He continued, “But my biggest concern is this, which is that it takes two sides to come to an agreement, and the Iranians, quite frankly, are not ready to conclude this war. I think they might want to exact an even greater cost on Americans. And my biggest fear is that the rhetoric that Donald Trump uses, the actions that he takes, could actually provoke them to take preemptive action, such as maybe a terrorist attack on American soil or against American interests elsewhere or using ballistic missiles. They have thousands of these ballistic missiles that they could use on American interests and bases in the Middle East, and, of course, on Europe.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2026/04/08/krishnamoorthi-i-fear-trump-might-provoke-iran-to-commit-terrorism-on-u-s-soil/
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2337 on: April 08, 2026, 10:08:25 pm »
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Iranian navy has turned several vessels away trying to cross the Strait Of Hormuz telling ships the strait is still closed.

What?

What happened to the US Navy showing Iran that it says open?
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2338 on: April 08, 2026, 10:12:53 pm »
So START BOMBING! There are no human chains, they all dispersed. No warning, no deadline, bomb the $H!T out of them.

Yep.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2339 on: April 08, 2026, 10:14:15 pm »
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BREAKING: Vice Admiral Robert Harward predicts Iran will NOT hold true to ceasefire negotiations by reopening the Strait of Hormuz:

What gave it away?  Maybe the fact that THEY TOLD YOU EXACTLY THAT YESTERDAY?
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2340 on: April 08, 2026, 10:16:11 pm »

Now we learn that the magic duo of Witkoff & Kushner were the negotiators.

Now it makes sense.  It takes a special kind of fool to believe either Iran or Russia.  But only an exceptional fool would believe both.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2341 on: April 08, 2026, 10:31:35 pm »
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Fadel Abbas Najm, the bodyguard and personal messenger of Hezbollah Secretary General Naim Qassem, was killed today in a targeted strike in southern Lebanon.



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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2342 on: April 08, 2026, 10:41:09 pm »
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The White House just confirmed it:

The 10-point peace plan Iran published on Wednesday is NOT the same plan Trump said was "a workable basis to negotiate."

Iran released one version. Trump approved a different one.

None of that matters.  Within minutes of 'Iran' (or whoever the hell Kuchner was talking to) saying they agreed to a cease fire, the IRGC attacks FIVE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.  By definition, that does not constitute a cease fire.  So why in the hell are we still talking as if there is one in effect?
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2343 on: April 08, 2026, 10:50:10 pm »
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Despite a ceasefire, Iran launched 94 drones and 23 missiles at Gulf states.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2344 on: April 08, 2026, 10:55:37 pm »
Trusting Pakistan as an "unbiased mediator" is a BAD move.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2345 on: April 08, 2026, 11:00:19 pm »

https://twitter.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/2041965382060192070




Apparently, it doesn't apply to Iran either.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2346 on: April 08, 2026, 11:11:30 pm »
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The streets were literally soaked with blood after the Islamic Republic massacred some 40,000 Iranians just two months ago.



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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2347 on: April 08, 2026, 11:14:33 pm »
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It doesn’t matter how many times Trump, Vance, and the White House make clear that Hezbollah was never part of the ceasefire, these liars will just continue to push nonsense.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2348 on: April 08, 2026, 11:16:32 pm »
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No oil or gas tankers have transited the Strait of Hormuz since the ceasefire [sic] was struck yesterday, the four vessels that transited were carrying dry cargo - Kpler

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #3
« Reply #2349 on: April 08, 2026, 11:21:02 pm »
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Channel 14 reports there could be a collapse of the ceasefire [sic] tonight on Iran’s part.

4:29 PM · Apr 8, 2026  ·  141.8K Views

https://x.com/Osint613/status/2041991906758902087



What gave it away?  Was it Iran's attacks on Israel, Kuwait, the UAE, or Saudi Arabia?
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