Netanyahu expecting to make ‘painful and significant’ concessions under Trump’s ceasefire plan: repo

[Lando Lincoln]

@DCPatriot

I may be confused here about the purpose of the thread.  Is this about the peace plan itself, or is it about what a great job Trump is doing?  Because I believe Trump already knows this won't work.

Trump deserves a heck of a lot of credit here - both in his first term and now.  And what he has done here has not been to bring peace in the Middle East, but to position all these Arab states in a way where they have no course but to recognize that Hamas - not Israel - is the obstacle to peace.  So when this goes sour and Israel has to go in an finish the job, they will have already be in agreement supporting Israel.

The confusing part is that is not a sentiment that @Right_in_Virginia holds.  So in her praise of Trump here, I don't believe she has thought it through.

Hamas is the only obstacle here.  And Trump just made it OK for Israel to go into Gaza and completely eradicate them with Arab blessing.

I agree with your comments. To the extent possible, President Trump has painted Hamas into a life or death corner.  Hamas never expected the scale of Israel’s response to October 7 and now, Arab/Muslim states are aligning for peace while accepting that Hamas is expendable. By failing to agree to Israel’s right to exist with a full release of the hostages, Hamas will be choosing a suicidal demise. Terrifying but brilliant.

[cato potatoe]

It sounds like Hamas was not consulted about this proposal, was given no opportunity to negotiate the terms, take it or leave it, etc.  So there is a decent chance they will reject the plan, which would amount to a death sentence for many civilians as well as the hostages. 

[Timber Rattler]

@Hoodat

Was simply compelled to remark on the ongoing, never-ending insults thrown her way on the Bibi Netanyahu/Israel vs GAZA matter....a member here since the day the lights were turned on under GOPBriefingRoom aka TBR.

She deserves every bit of the shade hurled her way.

Accused of being an Anti-Semite??  IMO, that's a helluva broad brush

No it's not.  She IS an anti-semite and pro-terrorist to boot.  She even supported the mullahs in Iran for crying out loud.

I don't agree with @Right_in_Virginia when it comes to Israel/USA relationship, but I respect her as a Conservative intellect and a pillar in this forum.

I don't.

[Kamaji]

@Hoodat

Was simply compelled to remark on the ongoing, never-ending insults thrown her way on the Bibi Netanyahu/Israel vs GAZA matter....a member here since the day the lights were turned on under GOPBriefingRoom aka TBR.

Accused of being an Anti-Semite??  IMO, that's a helluva broad brush

I don't agree with @Right_in_Virginia when it comes to Israel/USA relationship, but I respect her as a Conservative intellect and a pillar in this forum.

It is a broad brush, and in this case, it is precisely the correct size.  She repeatedly lies about Israel and Jews, even when those with stronger stomachs, such as @Hoodat repeatedly point out her lies.  That is what an antisemite does, and if the shoe fits, ....

Neither is she particularly accomplished or gifted as either a conservative or an intellect, and if she represents a pillar of the forum, well, ... I'll refrain from stating the obvious conclusion.

[DCPatriot]

It is a broad brush, and in this case, it is precisely the correct size.  She repeatedly lies about Israel and Jews, even when those with stronger stomachs, such as @Hoodat repeatedly point out her lies.  That is what an antisemite does, and if the shoe fits, ....

Neither is she particularly accomplished or gifted as either a conservative or an intellect, and if she represents a pillar of the forum, well, ... I'll refrain from stating the obvious conclusion.

We'll have to agree to disagree @Kamaji

[Kamaji]

We'll have to agree to disagree @Kamaji

Fair enough.

[Hoodat]

Gaza 2025:

Gaza 2017

Celebrating Hamas

[Hoodat]

We'll have to agree to disagree @Kamaji

My admiration for loyalty towards a friend stops at the point where truth is being sacrificed.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The confusing part is that is not a sentiment that @Right_in_Virginia holds.  So in her praise of Trump here, I don't believe she has thought it through.

Hamas is the only obstacle here.  And Trump just made it OK for Israel to go into Gaza and completely eradicate them with Arab blessing.

Don't read too much into this @Hoodat    Trump has his hands full keeping Netanyahu on the peace reservation (Netanyahu's already reneging on IDF withdrawal and a Palestinian state). 

Telling the PM he can kill with gratuitous abandon if Hamas doesn't agree to the proposal is the equivalent of telling a five year old he can go to Disneyland next summer if he eats all of his broccoli tonight.




https://thenationalpulse.com/2025/09/09/trump-white-house-blasts-unilateral-israeli-strike-on-qatar-as-strain-grows-with-netanyahu/

[libertybele]

 

Maybe he wants to fly over European countries again. 

Netanyahu's jet largely avoids European airspace in unusual route to New York
ABC News, Sep 25, 2025
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/netanyahus-jet-largely-avoids-european-airspace-unusual-route/story?id=125935906

Maybe.  But, in a first: Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates have also signed onto this proposal.  I'm willing to see their collective influence on Hamas --- this could be a game changer @libertybele

Other countries are assuming that the Palis will comply.  I doubt this will be a game changer in a positive way.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Hoodat

Was simply compelled to remark on the ongoing, never-ending insults thrown her way on the Bibi Netanyahu/Israel vs GAZA matter....a member here since the day the lights were turned on under GOPBriefingRoom aka TBR.

Accused of being an Anti-Semite??  IMO, that's a helluva broad brush

I don't agree with @Right_in_Virginia when it comes to Israel/USA relationship, but I respect her as a Conservative intellect and a pillar in this forum.

Thank you for this @DCPatriot    I will admit some of the postings to and about me have stunned --- painstakingly cruel.  I try not to engage them because I prefer the focus be on the information I post, not me ----

So, once again:  I am not anti-Semitic,  anti-Jew or anti-Israel.  I am anti-Benjamin Netanyahu  --- proudly so --- and have been since 2014.  The next time he holds up an exhibit titled "The Curse" during his speech to the UNGA,  I hope the graphic is finally his self-portrait.

[mystery-ak]

Trump will give Hamas ‘three or four days’ to respond to Gaza plan
 By Christian Datoc

September 30, 2025 10:04 am

President Donald Trump said he plans to give Hamas the remainder of the week to respond to his 20-point proposal for peace in Gaza.

Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced Israel’s support for the plan, along with buy-in from a number of Arab nations, at the White House on Monday. The framework calls for the release of hostages, dead or alive, within 72 hours, the flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza, the creation of a new international body overseeing the day-to-day cleanup effort, and the phased withdrawal of the Israel Defense Forces.

Trump delivered remarks to military leaders in Quantico, Virginia, on Tuesday morning, and before departing the White House, he fielded multiple questions on the topic from reporters.

“We’re going to do about three or four days. We’ll see how it is. All of the Arab countries are signed up,” Trump said when asked how long he would give Hamas to accept the plan. “The Muslim countries are all signed up. Israel is all signed up. We’re just waiting for Hamas, and Hamas is either going to be doing it or not, and if it’s not, it’s going to be a very sad end.”

The president didn’t directly answer a question about any negotiating wiggle room for the terrorist group, simply stating that “we want it very simple.”

“We want the hostages back immediately, and we want some good behavior. And, you know, pretty, pretty simple. You don’t get simpler,” Trump continued. “Think of it. We’ve signed every country in the Middle East. This is like an impossible thing. It’s never been done before. This is more than Gaza. Gaza is mixed up, but this is — Gaza is a piece of it.”

more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/3830072/trump-hamas-gaza-plan-peace-proposal/

[Hoodat]

QED

[Right_in_Virginia]

It is a broad brush, and in this case, it is precisely the correct size.  She repeatedly lies about Israel and Jews, even when those with stronger stomachs, such as @Hoodat repeatedly point out her lies.  That is what an antisemite does, and if the shoe fits, ....

I don't lie @Kamaji  But, i do understand why shooting the messenger is your only viable strategy ----  you are impotent in an arena requiring cogent thought, unable to rise to the challenge of meaningful debate.  This must cause you deep distress.

So, dear man, I will not add to your personal pain.  You have my blessings to stay angry --- and continue to reduce your contributions to name calling while hoping with God's grace your opinions will someday be elevated to comic relief. ....

Godspeed, always.


cc: @DCPatriot

[Hoodat]

Why did you remove your post, @Right_in_Virginia ?

[Right_in_Virginia]

18.  Israel agrees not to carry out future strikes in Qatar. The US and the international community acknowledge Doha’s important mediating role in the Gaza conflict.

At White House with Trump, Netanyahu apologizes to Qatar over Doha strike
Ynet News, Sep 29, 2025

Twenty days after the failed assassination attempt of senior Hamas officials in Doha, the prime minister apologized to the Qataris. During his meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump, and with Trump’s mediation, Netanyahu apologized in a phone call from the White House to Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed al-Thani.

Netanyahu’s apology, made at Trump’s request, was for violating Qatar’s sovereignty. It followed an earlier U.S. statement that Israel had committed not to carry out further operations in Qatar. A Qatari delegation is in Washington after earlier talks at the White House and is expected to coordinate the hostage deal.

Doha has not issued any official statements, though Qatar is demanding, among other things, that Israel pay compensation to the family of a Qatari security officer killed in the strike.

On Sept. 9, the IDF carried out an airstrike in Doha, Qatar’s capital, targeting senior Hamas officials. The army and the Shin Bet security service later announced in a joint statement that the air force had “struck the top leadership of the terrorist organization.” Qatar harshly condemned the strike, calling it “a cowardly act and a blatant violation of international law.”


https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rkbbh400hxg

Trump issues executive order declaring any attack on Qatar be treated as a threat to U.S. security
CBS News, Oct 1, 2025

President Trump has signed an executive order saying that any armed attack against Qatar would be considered "a threat to the peace and security of the United States."

"In the event of such an attack, the United States shall take all lawful and appropriate measures — including diplomatic, economic, and, if necessary, military — to defend the interests of the United States and of the State of Qatar and to restore peace and stability," reads the executive order, which was dated Monday Sept. 29.

Israel said its attack was aimed at Hamas leaders gathered in the Qatari capital, where the U.S.- and Israeli-designated terrorist group has long maintained a political office.

Qatar hosts the largest U.S. military base in the Middle East, the Al-Udeid Air Base, where thousands of American forces are stationed. The United States already classifies Qatar as a Major Non-NATO Ally, a designation that was approved by President Biden.

A Qatari official confirmed to CBS News on Wednesday that the Trump administration's move to grant the small Gulf state the rare promise of U.S. military backup in the event of an attack on its territory came in response to Israel bombing Qatar's capital, Doha, on Sept. 9.


More:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-qatar-israel-security-deal-executive-order-attack-treated-as-threat-to-us/

[Right_in_Virginia]

This full article is pretty detailed --- and interesting:

Scoop: How an Israeli attack inadvertently launched Trump's Gaza peace plan
Axios, Oct 1, 2025

The seeds of the plan President Trump presented on Monday to end the war in Gaza were planted three weeks earlier, when Israel bombed Qatar in a failed attempt to assassinate Hamas leaders.

The big picture: The Israeli strike united Arab leaders in outrage at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and intensified calls within Israeli society for a deal to free the remaining hostages and end the war.

* At first outraged by the strike and the destabilization it could cause, Trump's advisers Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner soon saw the crisis as an opportunity to end the war, four sources with direct knowledge tell Axios.

* They noticed that "the Arabs were speaking with one voice," even if it was to shout at Israel, a Trump adviser familiar with the discussions told Axios. "It became clear, particularly to Steve, that this rallying cry that seemed negative at first could be turned into something positive."

<snip>

Several days before the UN General Assembly, the Qataris proposed a summit in New York between Trump and the leaders of eight Arab and Muslim countries to discuss the Israeli strike on Qatar and the war in Gaza.

* During that meeting last Tuesday, the Arab and Muslim leaders took turns slamming Israel. After stressing his desire to end the war in Gaza, Trump turned to Witkoff: "Steve, tell them what you have been working on."

* Witkoff briefed the group on the 21-point plan, to positive reactions in the room. Trump then asked the group to meet Witkoff the next day and give their input.

* By Wednesday night, the U.S. and the eight countries had reached a preliminary agreement on the text. Witkoff and Kushner sent it on to the Israelis.

The other side: Netanyahu met with Witkoff and Kushner at his hotel in New York for two hours on Thursday afternoon and then again later that evening. At that point, there were wide gaps between the U.S. and Israel, an Israeli official said.

* On Friday morning, Netanyahu gave a defiant speech at the UN. He didn't mention the Trump plan at all.

* But the meetings between Trump's team and the Israelis continued all weekend, with the goal of reaching an agreed upon text before Netanyahu arrived at the White House on Monday morning to meet Trump.

Inflection point: On Saturday, a rumor spread among Trump's team that Netanyahu was planning to reject the plan, or at least demand sweeping changes.

* That led Trump to place a "stern and clear" call to Netanyahu, according to a source briefed on the conversation.

* "Trump told Bibi in no uncertain terms: 'Take it or leave it. And leave it means we walk away from you,'" the source said, adding that when it comes to Netanyahu, "Donald Trump has had enough, for many reasons."

* In all, Trump spoke five time on the phone with Netanyahu over the weekend, the sources said. Trump told Netanyahu he wanted a "clear yes" to the plan, not a "yes, but."

Zoom in: Trump accepted some of Netanyahu's edits but rejected several others on issues that are politically sensitive within his hard-right coalition, one source said.

* Trump said he wouldn't ask Netanyahu to compromise on matters of security, but that didn't apply when the concern was domestic politics.
"If you accept this plan and Hamas rejects it, I will give you full backing to continue fighting them," Trump assured Netanyahu.

* On Sunday, Witkoff and Kushner held negotiations for hours with Netanyahu and Dermer in New York.

* The talks concluded at 11pm with both sides significantly narrowing the gaps — including over the language of the apology Netanyahu would have to make to Qatar.

Friction point: When the latest text was sent to the Arab and Muslim officials, they were furious at how many changes Netanyahu had managed to insert, particularly on the terms of Israel's withdrawal from Gaza, sources familiar with the talks say.

State of play: Trump published the plan anyways. He said Tuesday that he expects an answer from Hamas in the next "three of four days." U.S. and Israeli officials expect a positive response, with some reservations.

<snip>

What to watch: Trump is counting on officials from Qatar, Egypt and Turkey in particular to get Hamas to "yes."


More:  https://www.axios.com/2025/10/01/scoop-how-an-israeli-attack-inadvertently-launched-trumps-gaza-peace-plan

[Right_in_Virginia]

Benjamin Netanyahu okays plans for the most solemn Jewish "Day of Atonement," (Yom Kippur) beginning at sundown Oct 1 to sundown Oct 2,  a day set aside to repent for sins, ask for forgiveness from God and others, and reflect on the past year's actions ---.

Israel orders Palestinians to leave Gaza City, saying those who stay will be considered militants
Associated Press, Oct 1, 2025

DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israel’s defense minister on Wednesday ordered all remaining Palestinians to leave Gaza City, saying it was their “last opportunity” and that anyone who stayed would be considered a militant supporter and face the “full force” of Israel’s latest offensive.

Around 400,000 Palestinians have fled famine-stricken Gaza City since Israel launched a major offensive last month aimed at occupying it, but hundreds of thousands remain, many because they cannot afford to leave or are too weak to make the journey to tent camps in the south.

"This is the last opportunity for Gaza residents who wish to do so to move south and leave Hamas terrorists isolated in Gaza City,” Defense Minister Israel Katz wrote on X. “Those who remain in Gaza will be (considered) terrorists and terror supporters.”

More: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-10-01-2025-45068054466d02eea3e060f2e8484c40.

"G'mar chatima tova"

[libertybele]

Benjamin Netanyahu okays plans for the most solemn Jewish "Day of Atonement," (Yom Kippur) beginning at sundown Oct 1 to sundown Oct 2,  a day set aside to repent for sins, ask for forgiveness from God and others, and reflect on the past year's actions ---.

"G'mar chatima tova"

Bibi has made his point.Where will all the Pali's go? It's not like they are welcome in neighboring countries.

[Hoodat]

@Right_in_Virginia

You made a post equating Palestinians celebrating 30 years of Hamas terror against the Jews with American patriots protesting British rule in the 1770s, essentially affirming the assessments of other posters regarding your animosity towards the Jewish people.  What was your reason for deleting it?

[berdie]

Bibi has made his point.Where will all the Pali's go? It's not like they are welcome in neighboring countries.

I have read that they have been offered deportation to a country in Africa with similar terrain and culture. How true this is I don't know.