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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #350 on: August 11, 2025, 03:27:48 pm »
So when 47 meets with Putin and Zelenski is not invited, does that make 47 Neville Chamberlain?

If Trump elects to give Ukraine to Russia then yes.
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« Reply #351 on: August 11, 2025, 04:05:37 pm »
If Trump elects to give Ukraine to Russia then yes.

Seems like 47 has pretty much done that already. Signing the deal is now just a formality. Perhaps the real reason for meeting in AK is to give Europe to Russia in exchange for AK and the Noble prize?
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« Reply #352 on: August 11, 2025, 04:37:47 pm »
Putin stays in power only because he has the continued support of the Oligarchs.

They need to be targeted by Western countries ... seize their assets, and slap a visa ban on them and their families, to prevent them from getting to their Adriatic vacation homes ... make them feel some pain!

Force them to stay in the prison known as Russia ... that'll change their support of Putin
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« Reply #353 on: August 11, 2025, 04:39:08 pm »
MAKE RUSSIA small AGAIN!!!

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« Reply #354 on: August 11, 2025, 06:05:35 pm »
MAKE RUSSIA small AGAIN!!!

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MAKE RUSSIA invisible AGAIN!!!
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #355 on: August 11, 2025, 09:55:09 pm »
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 tipping hat!!

A hat tip... for keeping this event/topic chronicled.  Your interest, dedication and overall knowledge on it is undeniable. 

Lasted one helluva lot longer than "...a month".  :bolt:

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #356 on: August 11, 2025, 09:59:11 pm »
First-Ever Drone Strike Hits Russian Komi, Triggering Explosions at Ukhta Oil Refinery

August 10, 2025  |  1:06 pm


Ukrainian drones attacked the Komi Republic for the first time. As a result of the attack, the Ukhta oil refinery, located about 2,000 km from the Russia-Ukraine border, was hit.

This information comes from local channels.

Locals say emergency services are responding to a series of explosions at the refinery.

According to them, a fire broke out at the facility. Local social media groups report a breach in a tank at the Ukhta refinery.

According to unconfirmed reports, the explosions may have been caused by a drone attack.

However, there is no official information on this matter yet.

The Unified Duty Dispatch Service stated that there is no fire or emissions at the refinery site and urged residents to remain calm.

In addition, evacuation has begun at the Yarmarok shopping center in the city, which eyewitnesses say may be closed by the end of the day.

Local residents also report power outages and loss of mobile internet.  .  .  .

https://empr.media/news/war/drones-attacked-komi-for-the-first-time-russians-report-explosions-at-the-ukhta-oil-refinery/
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #358 on: August 11, 2025, 10:01:40 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #359 on: August 11, 2025, 10:05:59 pm »
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Azerbaijan will provide Ukraine with electrical equipment worth $2 million as part of its humanitarian support, according to a decree by President Aliyev.

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #360 on: August 11, 2025, 10:08:44 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #361 on: August 11, 2025, 10:11:31 pm »
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Russia struck an oil depot belonging to Azerbaijan’s SOCAR in Odesa region overnight with five Shahed drones, causing a fire and injuring four employees, Ukrainian law enforcement told Ekonomichna Pravda. The depot and a diesel pipeline were damaged, and emergency repairs are underway.



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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #362 on: August 11, 2025, 10:17:33 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #363 on: August 11, 2025, 10:18:46 pm »
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We are on the third circle of this.



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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #365 on: August 11, 2025, 10:26:37 pm »
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Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #366 on: August 11, 2025, 10:30:38 pm »
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If you want to know what Trump will say tomorrow, listen to what Kremlin says today.


https://twitter.com/SvMorenets/status/1954941312563908795

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #367 on: August 11, 2025, 10:32:54 pm »
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OTD in 1937 NKVD order no. 00485 was signed, ordering elimination of Polish minority in USSR.

Imagine it being state policy to eliminate an entire people, a genocide if you will, in this day and age...

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #368 on: August 11, 2025, 10:33:37 pm »
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OTD in 1920 Latvian Soviet Peace Treaty was signed. Article 2 recognized the independence of Latvia as inviolable for all future time.

But this time it's different.

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #369 on: August 11, 2025, 10:41:39 pm »
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🚫 Russia’s Saratov refinery has stopped oil intake following a drone attack on Sunday, - Bloomberg

❗️Saratov refinery has a design processing capacity of about 140,000 barrels of crude a day. Its prolonged halt could affect domestic gasoline supplies.



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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #371 on: August 11, 2025, 10:45:21 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #372 on: August 11, 2025, 10:48:30 pm »
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Leaders of France, Italy, Germany, Poland, the UK, Finland, and the European Commission stated ahead of Trump-Putin talks that peace negotiations on Ukraine are impossible without Kyiv’s participation and a ceasefire, borders cannot be changed by force, and the current frontline should be the starting point.



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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #373 on: August 11, 2025, 11:00:00 pm »
Trump solved the Ukraine war in 24 hours right?

I say the above because Trump is a damn liar.  He still does not get it.  His positioning is one of total weakness.  Putin is sitting there demanding land he does not occupy.  He sees Trump no different than Obama and Biden.  Just one more weak *ss American.

And he does not care how many of his men in uniform die in battle.  They are considered heroes in Russia.  One must attack the people.

I SAY FREEZE AND STARVE THEM, PARTICULARLY IN THE MOSCOW METRO.

The only way this ends is if Putin dies, or he is removed like Boris Yeltsin.  Starve and freeze the people of Moscow, and just maybe they rise up and remove their tyrant/demagogue leader.




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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #374 on: August 11, 2025, 11:12:05 pm »
The USA is providing aid every year to Azerbaijan, so they can easily help Russia.  Most recent reported year added up to about $13 million.

The USA should halt all aid to countries helping Russia immediately.  It could be easily argued that we, the USA are supporting Russia with the aid we provide to nations supporting Russia.

If Trump was serious about ending this war, he would levy a demand on the one nation supporting Russia the most, CHINA!!!

Beside tariffs, I say implement a policy of permanent ending trade with China in 10% increments.  A permanent reduction of 10% per quarter.  That provides the time for companies to relocate their manufacturing elsewhere.  China halts supplying Russia with the components for drones, and Russia cannot wage war.  It is that simple.

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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #375 on: August 12, 2025, 06:23:24 am »
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If you want to know what Trump will say tomorrow, listen to what Kremlin says today.


https://twitter.com/SvMorenets/status/1954941312563908795

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“Russians would have been in Kyiv in 4 hours if they had taken the highway. But the Russian general decided to go through the farmland." - Trump
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #376 on: August 12, 2025, 06:33:14 am »
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, August 11, 2025

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Trump indicated that Putin's fear of the impact of US sanctions against Russia and Russia's economic partners drove Putin to propose a bilateral summit ... ISW continues to assess that strong US and other Western economic measures against Russia, in concert with timely and sufficient Western military assistance to Ukraine, can enable Ukraine to inflict more severe battlefield losses on Russia and thereby challenge Putin's theory of victory.

Putin's decision to reach out immediately before Trump imposed further economic restrictions against Russia or its trading partners undermines the Kremlin's ongoing narrative that sanctions have not and will not affect the Russian economy ... Putin's decision to reach out to Trump immediately before the United States imposed additional economic restrictions demonstrates the Kremlin's recognition that this narrative is false. The Russian economy is weaker than Russian officials project, and Russia has implemented monetary and economic policies to disguise Russia's economic issues, but that will likely exacerbate Russia's instability instead.

Kremlin officials continue to emphasize that Russia is unwilling to compromise and remains committed to achieving its original war goals in Ukraine ... the primary issue of the Putin-Trump meeting will be discussions about solutions to the “root causes” of the war in Ukraine (a common Kremlin reference to Ukraine's alleged discrimination against Russian speakers and North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] expansion) to ensure that these causes “cannot be repeated ...

Putin most recently reaffirmed his uncompromising demands on August 1 when he claimed that his June 2024 demands that Ukraine cede all of the four illegally annexed oblasts before he would agree to a ceasefire are still in place. Putin's recent demand is notably only about the conditions that Ukraine must meet before Putin will agree to a ceasefire, not war termination. Putin's demands before he agrees to a war termination agreement will likely be even more extensive.

Putin is reportedly demoting officials within his inner circle who have voiced disagreement with Putin's determination to continue the war ... Kremlin Deputy Chief of Staff Dmitry Kozak’s recent opposition to Russia's war and the subsequent reduction in his influence in the Kremlin demonstrate Putin's determination to continue his war to achieve his maximalist demands.

Russian officials and media are also setting informational conditions for Russia to renege on any future peace agreement to end the war ... Russian ultranationalist outlet Tsargrad, which often works to condition the Russian nationalist community to support Russia's war effort, published an opinion piece on August 11 claiming that any peace deal that Russia agrees to with Trump is a deal only with his administration, not the United States or the broader West ... The Kremlin has repeatedly claimed that the Ukrainian government is illegitimate, [ and is ] likely to allow Russia to renege on a peace settlement that Russia signs with Ukraine in the future at a time of Russia's choosing.

Putin may try to use the prospect of US-Russian arms control talks to gain concessions from Trump about the war in Ukraine in the August 15 meeting in Alaska ...  ISW previously assessed that the Kremlin was dangling the prospect of bilateral arms control talks to extract preemptive concessions from the United States about the war in Ukraine. Putin may offer to negotiate arms control treaties with Trump during the August 15 bilateral summit in Alaska ... The renewal of the INF Treaty or the establishment of a similar treaty would likely not result in any significant change in Russia's deployment and use of shorter- and intermediate-range missiles.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-11-2025
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #378 on: August 12, 2025, 07:12:48 am »
A Sidelined Zelensky Warns That Russia Will Try to Deceive the U.S.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/11/world/europe/ukraine-russia-putin-zelensky-alaska-talks.html

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With President Trump and President Vladimir V. Putin preparing to meet in Alaska on Friday, ending the Russian leader’s years of diplomatic isolation with the West, Ukraine’s sidelined leaders warned that the Kremlin would try to “deceive America” as Mr. Trump pushed to end the war.

Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, is determined to demonstrate that his country is not the obstacle to peace by emphasizing Kyiv’s willingness to accept an unconditional cease-fire, an idea that Russia has rejected. He has cautioned that Mr. Putin will try to drive a wedge between the United States, Ukraine and its European allies by putting forth demands that the Kremlin knows Ukraine cannot accept and then portraying Mr. Zelensky as the barrier to a deal.

“We understand the Russians’ intention to try to deceive America — we will not allow this,” Mr. Zelensky said in his evening address to the nation on Sunday night.

But even as Ukraine and its European backers are pressing hard for Mr. Zelensky to be included in the negotiations, Mr. Trump suggested on Monday that he was already frustrated with the Ukrainian leader, seeming to claim that Ukraine was fighting a war of choice.

“I was a little bothered by the fact that Zelensky was saying, ‘I have to get constitutional approval’” to relinquish territory, Mr. Trump told reporters. “He’s got approval to go into war and kill everybody, but he needs approval to do a land swap?

Mr. Trump said his sit-down with Mr. Putin would be a “feel-out meeting” intended to see if the Russian leader was ready to reach an agreement. Ukraine and its...

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Trump's willful ignorance and attitude that Ukraine in general, and Zelensky in particular, are somehow responsible for the Russian invasion is just stupid.  So how dare the Ukrainians follow their own Constitution to fight back, and then refuse to cede any of their land to Putin!

And the idea that a simple land transaction will end the war is equally stupid.  It would be amusing to watch Putin play Trump for the fool he is if it were to so tragic for the U.S., Ukraine, and the world.
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #379 on: August 12, 2025, 10:15:53 am »
A Sidelined Zelensky Warns That Russia Will Try to Deceive the U.S.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/11/world/europe/ukraine-russia-putin-zelensky-alaska-talks.html

EXCERPT

Trump's willful ignorance and attitude that Ukraine in general, and Zelensky in particular, are somehow responsible for the Russian invasion is just stupid.  So how dare the Ukrainians follow their own Constitution to fight back, and then refuse to cede any of their land to Putin!

And the idea that a simple land transaction will end the war is equally stupid.  It would be amusing to watch Putin play Trump for the fool he is if it were to so tragic for the U.S., Ukraine, and the world.

Have to admit that 47 is either willfully stupid or supremely naive, while being blinded by his single-minded drive for a Nobel Prize.

For 47, everything is a simple real estate transaction, which is why he initially bragged about ending the war in 24 hours. Now, 47 supports Putin's view that Ukraine and Zelenski started the war, and had 47 been President at the time, he would have urged Zelenski to surrender.

As for the meeting Friday, its just a question of how much wool Putin will pull over 47's eyes, and how much of Ukraine 47 will cede to Russia.
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Re: Ukraine 7
« Reply #380 on: August 12, 2025, 10:26:34 am »
Ukraine prepared to cede territory held by Russia



Ukraine could agree to stop fighting and cede territory already held by Russia as part of a European-backed plan for peace.

Volodymyr Zelensky told European leaders that they must reject any settlement proposed by Donald Trump in which Ukraine gives up further territory – but that Russia could be allowed to retain some of the land it has taken.

This would mean freezing the front line where it is and handing Russia de facto control of the territory it occupies in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson and Crimea.

The softening of the negotiating position comes ahead of talks between Mr Trump and Vladimir Putin in Alaska on Friday.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/08/11/ukraine-prepared-freeze-war-current-frontline-summit/
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« Reply #381 on: August 12, 2025, 10:31:12 am »
Ukraine prepared to cede territory held by Russia



Ukraine could agree to stop fighting and cede territory already held by Russia as part of a European-backed plan for peace.

This would mean freezing the front line where it is and handing Russia de facto control of the territory it occupies in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson and Crimea.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/08/11/ukraine-prepared-freeze-war-current-frontline-summit/

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« Reply #382 on: August 12, 2025, 10:31:29 am »
Russia Reports Ukraine Military War Breakthrough Before Trump-Putin Meeting



Russian forces are pushing hard in Ukraine's Donetsk region in the hope a breakthrough that can provide leverage in the summit between President Donald Trump and Kremlin Leader Vladimir Putin, the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) has said.

Ukrainian sources reported sabotage and reconnaissance groups were infiltrating near Dobropillia which is northwest of Pokrovsk, the Donetsk hub that is key to Moscow capturing the whole of the region.

The ISW said that Moscow is likely focusing on advances to coincide with Friday's U.S.-Russia summit in Alaska as a Newsweek map shows the front line's state of play.

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“Russia Has High Hopes for Trump-Putin Summit. Peace Isn’t One of Them.”

“Expectations in Russia are running high ahead of Friday’s planned summit between Russian leader Vladimir Putin and President Trump.

Moscow sees an opening to reset relations with Washington, with Kremlin officials hinting at the potential for deals with the U.S. on infrastructure and energy in the Arctic and beyond, as Russia’s state media plays up what it bills as a looming entente between two equal great powers.

“Neocons and other warmongers won’t be smiling” when the two leaders meet, said senior Putin aide Kirill Dmitriev. “The Putin-Trump dialogue will bring hope, peace and global security.”

Though the “Ukrainian question” has been declared to be the main item of the agenda, “much more important global issues” would be raised in Alaska, including ambitious plans for economic and infrastructure cooperation in the Arctic, senior Russian lawmaker Sergey Gavrilov said.

Alexander Yakovenko, a former ambassador who headed Russia’s foreign-service academy until last year, wrote in an op-ed for the state RIA news agency that “settling the war in Ukraine, which has been lost by the West a long time ago, has become a secondary issue in relations between the United States and Russia—nothing more than an obstacle to normalization that we must overcome together.”

Ever since the summit was announced, Russian media has been replete with stories about special U.S. envoy Steve Witkoff and Dmitriev sharing fried dumplings at a restaurant in the Russian capital, and about the site of a future Moscow hotel, described as a possible Trump Tower Moscow, that the two men visited last week.

But when it comes to Ukraine, where Europe’s bloodiest war in generations has raged for more than three years, there has been little indication that Putin intends to make a meaningful compromise. The Russian president’s offer, as relayed by Witkoff, is a cease-fire if Kyiv agrees to give up territory—including major urban areas that Russian forces have been unable to capture.

Western diplomats and Russian analysts say that Putin thinks he is winning on the battlefield and that his original goal of replacing Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky with a puppet regime in Kyiv might finally be within reach now that Washington has stopped paying for Ukrainian weapons.

“To avoid having a clash with Trump, he may agree to secondary concessions - but he won’t end the war,” predicts Russian political analyst Abbas Gallyamov, a former Putin speechwriter who now lives abroad and is a critic of the Kremlin.

“The ideal scenario for Putin would be to divorce the issue of relations with America from the issue of Ukraine, hoping that other political and economic matters would make Ukraine of little relevance to Trump,” Gallyamov said.

The very fact of the summit with Trump - and in the U.S., no less - is already a win for Putin, helping restore the international standing of a man treated as a pariah in much of the West and facing an arrest warrant on war-crimes charges from the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

“He can say: ‘Look, you have tried to isolate me, but I am meeting with the American president while you Europeans have to crawl on your knees and call him ‘Daddy,’” said Sergey Radchenko, a Cold War historian at Johns Hopkins University.

“The image of standing tall and proud on equal terms with the United States,” Radchenko said, “that’s what Russia has always wanted, and that’s what is really important to Putin.”

Trump has let his self-imposed deadline on sanctions against Russia lapse ahead of the summit, a move European diplomats fear signals to Russia that no serious additional U.S. pressure will be placed on the Kremlin whatever happens with Ukraine.

“Putin is absolutely convinced, as the General Staff continues to tell him, that with a little more pushing, the Ukrainian front will collapse,” said Alexandra Prokopenko, a fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center and a former adviser to Russia’s central bank.

That doesn’t mean that Russia will oppose a pause on its own terms, such as a stop to weapons supplies for Ukraine, that would make its next round of offensives easier, she said.

One possible concession in Alaska, some Moscow-based analysts indicated, would be for Putin to offer a limited cease-fire in the air, ending missile attacks that have killed hundreds of civilians in Ukrainian cities in recent months. Such a move would be in Russia’s interest because Ukraine’s long-range drone attacks have caused significant damage to Russian oil refineries and military industries, while also disrupting Russian civil aviation.

Air attacks could resume once Russia stockpiled enough missiles and drones and repaired the damage.

Russian troops this summer have stepped up a ground offensive in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, aiming to encircle the towns of Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad. Meanwhile, protests against attempts to curb Ukrainian anticorruption authorities have also shown widespread discontent with Zelensky.

Still, total Russian advances over the past two years account for less than 1% of Ukrainian territory. No strategic breakthroughs have been achieved, and the much-heralded Russian offensive earlier this year on the northern region of Sumy has collapsed with high losses.

The Russian proposal ahead of the Alaska summit, as relayed by Witkoff to European leaders and Ukraine, calls for Kyiv to surrender to Russia the heavily fortified northern part of the Donetsk region in exchange for a cease-fire. That is an area larger than the entire West Bank, with big industrial cities.

Zelensky has rejected the demand, saying he won’t give away Ukrainian land and pointing to Russia’s long history of violating cease-fires and diplomatic agreements. European leaders backed Kyiv, saying any territorial concessions must be reciprocal and accompanied by security guarantees.

Trump said Monday that his meeting with Putin is meant to “feel out” whether a peace deal was possible. Trump threatened to abandon the negotiations if he sensed no agreement could be made. “I’m going to go and see the parameters now,” he said. “I may leave and say, ‘Good luck,’ and that’ll be the end. I may say this is not going to be settled.”

He added that he will seek a Russian withdrawal from some occupied parts of Ukraine. They have occupied some “very prime territory,” he said. “We’re going to try to get some of that territory back for Ukraine.”

What the Russian public has been told to expect is a Ukrainian surrender rather than a cease-fire, let alone a Russian withdrawal.

Alexander Sladkov, a top war propagandist on Russian state TV, wrote on Telegram that any cease-fire with Kyiv would last six months at most. “After that, there will be more war, with a stronger and rearmed enemy,” he said. “A victory of Russia in the special military operation is inevitable.”

Such declarations seem to reflect the dominant message on Russian TV screens. “We need to win. To win. A horrible war is under way, and it won’t end with the meeting in Alaska,” Vladimir Solovyov, one of Russia’s top TV personalities, said in a recent broadcast.

Kirill Fedorov, a Russian military analyst, agreed. “The special military operation is a zero-sum game, and it can only be concluded with total victory,” he wrote on Telegram. “Both the Zelensky folks and the Kremlin understand that - while Trump is a 1990s businessman in a president’s chair, so he just keeps imagining deals.””
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« Reply #384 on: August 12, 2025, 03:46:47 pm »
Or in other words, Putin is going to try and buy Trump's support for gobbling up eastern and southern Ukraine.
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Kremlin snuffbox/Кремлевская табакерка - August 11, 2025

Source Who Said Putin Was Assassinated Makes New Alarming Claim

Internal enemies may organize a new assassination attempt on Vladimir Putin in order to prevent him from continuing the SVO until Victory, despite all the difficulties.

A high-ranking source in the Kremlin told us about this. He specifically contacted the channel so that we would publish his warning.

"In May, I told you [ https://t.me/kremlin_secrets/5715 ] how internal enemies organized an assassination attempt on Vladimir Vladimirovich in the Kursk region. They brought his helicopter under enemy drones and our air defense, but God saved the president. Now a new plot is being prepared. I know for sure - some advisers are suggesting that Vladimir Vladimirovich go on vacation to Sochi or Crimea. To show that he doesn't care about enemy drones and missiles that will fly there. And, it turns out, he doesn't care about Russia, because what kind of vacation can there be now, when our President is deciding the fate of the world and is going to a major international meeting with his American colleague for this purpose?

In addition, we all know how Russian resorts are being bombed and will be bombed [ https://t.me/kremlin_secrets/5987 ]. And they want to bring Vladimir Vladimirovich under these blows! I am sure he will not listen to such enemies. He will not go to dangerous places, he will even appear in Moscow less often. And then we will win," our interlocutor noted.

He is also outraged that those who "organized the assassination attempt on the president in the Kursk region" have still not been found and punished. And he believes that it is necessary to carry out purges in the FSO, FSB and other security agencies.

The FSO confirmed to us that there are proposals for Putin to go to Sochi or Crimea. But they are unlikely to be implemented, since the Black Sea resorts are currently dangerous.

And it’s unlikely that Vladimir Vladimirovich will have time to rest in light of his busy schedule.

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The Russians have resumed exporting Ukrainian grain from the occupied areas of Zaporizhzhia region to the ports of Rostov-on-Don.

Despite drought and a minimal harvest that should have been enough only for new sowing and the region’s needs, they are hauling it to Russia to cover their grain crisis. History repeats itself — the Holodomor of the last century returns with the new occupation.

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Russia must be destroyed. It's the only way to secure peace.
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« Reply #392 on: Today at 09:12:55 am »
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, August 12, 2025

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Russian milbloggers, who often over-inflate Russian advances, questioned Russia's ability to exploit the tactical penetration. Several Russian milbloggers urged caution on August 12, noting that Russian forces have yet to consolidate their positions and that the penetration is not a full-scale breakthrough yet ... A Russian source claimed that infiltration missions have serious risks, as the infantry far from the front can only receive supplies via drones, and the main forces cannot support isolated infiltration groups.

The source claimed that Russian forces will likely soon try to launch a subsequent attack with a larger group of forces to prevent Ukrainian forces from gaining the tactical initiative. A Ukrainian source stated that Ukrainian forces destroyed several Russian groups that had infiltrated the area and are gradually pushing back Russian forces that were trying to gain a foothold.

The Russian tactical penetration in the Dobropillya direction was not immediate but came rather after months of Russian preparation and condition setting using new drone innovations and tactics at scale ... ISW recently assessed that Russia's integration of combined drone strike tactics and adaptations in recent months has facilitated Russian advances on key Ukrainian towns. Russian strike and reconnaissance drone adaptations are likely achieving some effects of battlefield air interdiction (BAI) ...

Russia's persistent drone strikes against Ukrainian GLOCs have likely impacted Ukraine's defensive operations, enabling the recent Russian sabotage and reconnaissance group penetration ... Russian forces have increased their use of first-person view (FPV) drone strikes against the T-0514 Dobropillya-Lyman highway, and Russian drones have also been targeting Ukrainian vehicles along the T-0515 highway in Rodynske (north of Pokrovsk).

Russia's drone adaptations in recent months, including the use of repeater drones that extend the range of tactical drones, sleeper drones with modifications to operate on the ground in a low-power standby mode, and fiber optic drones that are resistant to electronic warfare (EW), have enabled Russian forces to threaten Ukrainian GLOCs deeper in the rear than before.

Russian advances in the Pokrovsk direction are also only the most recent result of over 17 months’ worth of protracted campaigning. Russia's recent tactical penetration should be viewed within the context of Russian forces’ significant resource expenditures to attrit Ukrainian forces in the Pokrovsk direction over the past year and a half ... Russian forces have lost well over five divisions’ worth of armored vehicles and tanks in Pokrovsk Raion since beginning their offensive operation to seize Avdiivka in October 2023 and during intensified Russian offensive operations in western Donetsk Oblast in the Summer 2024.

Ukrainian intelligence indicated that North Korea recently deployed 11,000 soldiers to Russia to facilitate Russia's war effort in Ukraine, further demonstrating Russia's commitment to leaning on its anti-Western partners to protract the war in Ukraine ... Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Deputy Chief Major General Vadym Skibitskyi reported on August 12 that there are roughly 11,000 North Korean troops at Russian training grounds located largely in western Russia, including in Kursk Oblast. Skibitskyi noted that the Russian military command appears to have defined North Korean forces’ areas of responsibility as Kursk and Belgorod oblast ... It remains unclear whether North Korean troops will deploy to Ukrainian territory or remain in Russian border areas. North Korean troops deploying to Ukrainian territory would indicate a serious escalation in North Korea's commitment to support Russia's war effort ...

Belarusian International Military Cooperation Department Head Valery Revenko stated on August 12 that Russia and Belarus will conduct the combined Zapad-2025 military exercise in Belarus from September 12 to 16. Revenko stated that the Zapad-2025 exercise will leverage the Union State's Regional Grouping of Forces, but did not confirm the total number of Belarusian and Russian personnel that will participate.

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Russia must be destroyed. It's the only way to secure peace.

Eastern Siberia should be a colony of the US, Japan can have Kamchatka and Sakhalin, give China back the Amur Lands, etc.

For the sake of peace, let the break-up begin!
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Eastern Siberia should be a colony of the US, Japan can have Kamchatka and Sakhalin, give China back the Amur Lands, etc.

For the sake of peace, let the break-up begin!

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You guys are willing to start a world war, stain the ground with the blood of American troops, risk nuclear war, and give bloodthirsty dictatorships like China, Iran, Afghanistan and North Korea free reign to grab Russian territory and make themselves stronger?

No one is going to go for your genocidal Cap'n Queeg obsessions.
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@MeganC

You guys are willing to start a world war, stain the ground with the blood of American troops, risk nuclear war, and give bloodthirsty dictatorships like China, Iran, Afghanistan and North Korea free reign to grab Russian territory and make themselves stronger?

No one is going to go for your genocidal Cap'n Queeg obsessions.

The uncultured Russian hooligans started the war. It's up to the remaining decent people in the world to put an end to them.

Now they threaten to invade the United States and you side with them. Traitor.
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" bloodthirsty dictatorships like China, Iran, Afghanistan and North Korea "

What's laughable here is these countries are friends of Russia and this is what you think of them.  ****slapping 22222frying pan
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« Reply #398 on: Today at 10:41:50 am »
No one is going to go for your genocidal Cap'n Queeg obsessions.

You seem to have a bit of a Capt. Queeg-style obsession yourself, with (ironically) your constant "Cap'n Queeg" accusations

* Note that, so far, none of us has caused a war ... your beloved Putin has caused three.

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The uncultured Russian hooligans started the war. It's up to the remaining decent people in the world to put an end to them.

Now they threaten to invade the United States and you side with them. Traitor.

Says the person who wants to let American troops be butchered in some far off wasteland to settle her personal grudge, just to enable other despotic, genocidal regimes to gain even more power.

Funny how you call me the traitor when you're happy with our troops getting butchered in some far off wasteland and risking our cities getting nuked.

Looks like your mirror is broken.

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