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« Reply #2250 on: July 16, 2025, 09:37:07 pm »
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« Reply #2251 on: July 16, 2025, 09:40:03 pm »
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« Reply #2252 on: July 16, 2025, 09:46:09 pm »
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« Reply #2253 on: July 16, 2025, 10:09:07 pm »

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1945438621353582911

A related comment is that the Lusitania may have failed to get some 150 Americans to Europe but she eventually brought two million Americans to Europe.

Russia killing American diplomats in Ukraine would be such a thing.
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« Reply #2256 on: July 17, 2025, 10:37:11 am »
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, July 16, 2025

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The Kremlin is recycling several longstanding informational narratives, including nuclear threats, in a renewed effort to break the United States away from Ukraine and the NATO alliance. Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov reaffirmed on July 16 that all provisions of Russia's nuclear doctrine, including the responsibility of nuclear countries to not “incite” non-nuclear states, remain in effect and that nuclear states must “answer” for “inciting” non-nuclear states.

Russia updated its nuclear doctrine in Fall 2024 to include a clause stipulating that Russia will consider aggression against it by a non-nuclear state with the support or participation of a nuclear power as a joint attack on Russia, likely in an effort to deter Western support for Ukraine during critical Western policy discussions in late 2024. Peskov claimed that “Europeans maintain a rabid militaristic attitude towards Moscow” ...

Peskov also called on the international community to pressure Ukraine into bilateral negotiations with Russia ­­­­­­­­­­- a reversal of Western calls to pressure Russia into meaningful bilateral negotiations to end the war - likely to falsely portray Russia as willing to negotiate while undermining Ukraine's credibility. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov claimed on July 15 that Russia's war in Ukraine is aimed at eliminating “the threats that NATO has created” on Russia's borders.

The Kremlin ... has shifted its objective from preventing new support for Ukraine to reversing recent support and breaking the United States away from its transatlantic allies, likely in response to President Trump‘s recent demonstration of the United States’ reinvigorated commitment to arming Ukraine and supporting NATO. Trump reaffirmed in late June 2025 that the United States will uphold NATO's Article 5 collective defense clause and recently demanded that Russia agree to a ceasefire agreement by September 2 or risk stringent US secondary tariffs.

The Kremlin is prioritizing informational campaigns aimed at undermining NATO unity and stoking discontent between the United States and its European allies in order to degrade Ukraine's defense capabilities and achieve its longstanding war aims that amount to Ukraine's capitulation.

Russian forces conducted a large series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine overnight on July 15 to 16, heavily targeting Ukrainian energy infrastructure ...

The Ukrainian Air Force reported that Ukrainian forces downed 198 Shahed-type drones and that 145 decoy drones were “lost” or suppressed by Ukrainian electronic warfare (EW) systems. The Ukrainian Air Force reported that the Russian strike ... also damaged civilian, industrial, and energy infrastructure in Mykolaiv and Odesa oblasts.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reported that the Russian strikes mainly damaged energy infrastructure and that authorities were working to restore power to Kryvyi Rih. Dnipropetrovsk Oblast officials and Ukraine's Southern Operational Command reported that Russian forces launched 1 Iskander-M ballistic missile each against both Kryvyi Rih and Odesa Oblast.

The Ukrainian Air Force reported that Russian forces only launched 1 Iskander-M ballistic missile overnight, and Odesa Oblast officials did not report a ballistic missile strike in the oblast, so it is unclear whether Russian forces launched 2 ballistic missiles overnight. Ukrainian Center for Combatting Disinformation Head Lieutenant Andriy Kovalenko reported that Russian forces continue targeting Ukrainian cities with large drone swarms.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-16-2025
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2257 on: July 17, 2025, 10:42:00 am »
Kremlin snuffbox/Кремлевская табакерка, July 16, 2025

"Otherwise, the enemies will run around and talk about Putin's death." Russia is stepping up the fight against those who are hindering the Victory in the North-East, indulging the West and disrupting the increase in the birth rate

Many were upset by plans to fine Russians for searching and viewing extremist information, using and advertising VPNs, and so on. We reached out to sources in the Kremlin for an explanation of this initiative.

A source close to the President responded to a question about what is happening: "We are entering a difficult period. It will be accompanied by crises, pressure from the West, and the continuation of the SVO, which some unreasonable people will consider a delay. Our goal is Victory. Therefore (I am speaking quite openly) Russia needs stricter control over information flows than it has now. Without this, we will not win."

The source demonstrated the need for such tightening with an example. "Now I can go online and read, for example, about the death of our President Putin. About the death of our almost only hope that the SVO will last as long as necessary and will not end before the Victory. Do you think it is normal for enemies to continue running around and telling everyone about the death of Vladimir Vladimirovich? Therefore, it is necessary to take measures. And punish those Russians who will consume and spread harmful information. The process is not without excesses, but I hope that they will all be corrected," the AP representative said.

Another said the changes in control of the information space were part of a broader effort to address "the threats that Russia faces."

"We are stepping up the fight against those who are hindering the Victory in the North-Eastern Military District, including through information. With those who indulge the West and bring us its false values. With the enemies who are disrupting our fight to increase the birth rate. I don't want to do this, but the time has come when we cannot do without tough actions. Moreover, we are mainly talking about fines. I don't understand the reasons for the panic. The same applies to the fight against extremist organizations. The problem has matured and is overripe. And let everyone stop calling what is happening repressions, it's nonsense!" the channel's interlocutor is sure.

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« Reply #2258 on: July 17, 2025, 10:42:54 am »
Zelenskyy shakes up Ukrainian Cabinet, appointing a new prime minister to reinvigorate war effort



Ukraine’s economy minister and the key negotiator in the mineral deal with the U.S, Yuliia Svyrydenko, was appointed as its new prime minister Thursday, becoming the country's first new head of government since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022.

Svyrydenko is one of a group of officials taking on new roles in Ukraine's government, as President Volodymyr Zelenskyy reshuffles the Cabinet in a bid to energize a war-weary nation and boost domestic weapons production in the face of Russia's grinding invasion.

https://www.ajc.com/news/2025/07/zelenskyy-shakes-up-ukrainian-cabinet-appointing-a-new-prime-minister-to-reinvigorate-war-effort/
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« Reply #2259 on: July 17, 2025, 10:44:44 am »
Trump and NATO just changed the Ukraine war — now Putin must be forced to choose

...But to end the war without another three years of attrition, more is needed — and Trump, ironically, is uniquely suited to deliver it.

Trump has the political license to challenge his base, scorn for diplomatic convention and a certain form of credibility — however grudging, fearful and disdainful — with leaders across the political spectrum. He can make a bold offer to test Putin’s seriousness and unstick this war.

Trump should say he is willing to recognize Russian sovereignty at the current battle lines, including a narrow land bridge to Crimea through parts of Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk and Donetsk that Russia already holds (about one-fifth of Ukraine’s land). This would not be moral approval, but sober acceptance of military reality. Ukraine is unlikely to retake these areas without years of fighting; the Ukrainians will likely grumble, but not much more than that....

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2260 on: July 17, 2025, 10:45:04 am »
Kremlin snuffbox/Кремлевская табакерка July 17, 2025

To die for Russia is the highest happiness. And Belousov or Gerasimov can set an example. Philosopher Dugin responded to the military's claims

We reported: the military harshly criticized Alexander Dugin for calling for the liberation of four new regions of Russia within the next 50 days, as well as the capture of Kharkov, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Kiev. And they accused the philosopher of humiliating our soldiers.

"I know one thing: to die for Russia is the highest happiness. To fall for it on the battlefield means to immediately become a saint. I did not want to offend any of the military, but I hope that they all remember these simple truths," said Alexander Gelyevich on this occasion.

At the same time, he admitted that he was disappointed with the command of our army. "Defense Minister Belousov, Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov ... I communicate with the military. And I have heard many different opinions that indicate that it is because of their actions that we are slowly advancing at the front and may not defeat the enemy in 50, or even 150 days. I believe (and I am not joking!) that Belousov or Gerasimov could have shown an example of that very self-sacrifice, heroically falling for Russia. Then, perhaps, our war would have been much more successful," Dugin noted.

He separately reproached the heads of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff for the fact that Russia has still not declared a total mobilization of several million people.

The Defense Ministry and Gerasimov's entourage were surprised by the philosopher's words. But they refused to comment on what a source close to Belousov called "these fantasies of an unhealthy person."

By the way, Dugin repeated his thesis that it would be better to fight and unite around the idea of Russia's Victory, which could be "helped" by the enemy's missile strikes on Moscow and other large cities. "I wrote recently that the enemy will strike Moscow. These actions of his must be used for Victory in the war," explained Alexander Gelyevich.

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« Reply #2261 on: July 17, 2025, 10:46:25 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2262 on: July 17, 2025, 10:47:40 am »
Russia tightens its stranglehold on Ukraine battlefield as Trump gifts Putin 50-day window



US President Donald Trump’s 50-day pause ahead of possible secondary sanctions on Russia gifts the Kremlin a window to exploit the incremental gains of recent weeks, which analysts say increasingly put key Ukrainian strongholds in the east in peril.

Russia is thought to be days or weeks away from surging into a heightened summer offensive, perhaps using the 160,000 troops Ukrainian officials have said are amassing near their front lines. But in the past two weeks, Russia has also made small but vital advances, placing its forces in a better position to cut off Ukrainian troops in three key towns – Pokrovsk, Kostyantynivka and Kupiansk – on the eastern front line.

The Kremlin appeared unperturbed by the new Trump deadline, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov saying on Tuesday: “Fifty days – it used to be 24 hours; it used to be 100 days; we’ve been through all of this.”

Analysts said the new time frame boded well for Russian President Vladimir Putin’s goals. Keir Giles from Chatham House wrote Tuesday that it also provided space for Moscow on the diplomatic stage. “The deadline of 50 days gives Russia plenty of time to concoct its own alternative plan, and once again outmanoeuvre Washington through a diplomatic ploy which Trump may well accept willingly… Trump’s latest extension of his notional deadlines for Putin extends Ukraine’s suffering for the same arbitrary period.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/17/europe/ukraine-russia-frontline-summer-offensive-intl
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« Reply #2263 on: July 17, 2025, 10:48:25 am »
The Russian leadership has not just seen the light at the end of the tunnel of continuous problems, but rather has been blinded by a spotlight.

The reason for the sudden joy and hope for the hawks was the Chinese comrades, who this week approached the Politburo with an offer of unprecedented generosity. Beijing is offering a serious loan on preferential terms, and also assures that if the United States introduces the sanctions announced by Donald Trump, they will be ready to secretly provide direct military assistance.

The Politburo was impressed by the proposed loan amount, but even more so by the offer of possible military assistance. Representatives of the Russian leadership inquired about what types of weapons and what volumes were being discussed, and received the answer: supposedly, we will agree if Trump introduces sanctions.

In fact, China is provoking Russia to continue the war, taking on part of the financial obligations and offering military support at a fundamentally new level. It is not yet very clear how honest the Chinese are in their promises, nor is it clear whether a loan will be provided in the event of a truce between Russia and Ukraine. If Beijing links the provision of a loan on preferential terms to the continuation of the war, and the European Union refuses to lift some of the sanctions against Russia in response to a possible truce, the positions of the hawks in the Politburo may strengthen somewhat.

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2264 on: July 17, 2025, 11:31:13 am »
Chinese Diplomat Defects, Leaks Secrets, Putin Enraged! China Fears, Tanks Roll Into Beijing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTTSvKejWdw&t=314s

"Yuan Hongbing, a famous Australian legal scholar, recently revealed to the media that in late May this year, a senior official from China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, upset by upper-level suppression, defected to Russia with top-secret documents, directly seeking refuge with Putin. The documents exposed that the CCP had already prepared two plans in case the Russian regime collapsed during the war in Ukraine. It is said that Putin was furious upon seeing the documents and almost fainted."

China's primary plan if Russia fails to conquer Ukraine is to invade Siberia up to the Ural Mountains, install a puppet Communist government and then occupy and defacto annex Siberia.

I have been saying this for years that China will invade Siberia long before they invade Taiwan. Taiwan is just a distraction so the Chinese can cover their eventual preparations to invade Siberia with a classic Sun Tsu misdirection. 

And this is the case.  :2popcorn:
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« Reply #2265 on: July 17, 2025, 12:00:05 pm »
Chinese Diplomat Defects, Leaks Secrets, Putin Enraged! China Fears, Tanks Roll Into Beijing

"Yuan Hongbing, a famous Australian legal scholar, recently revealed to the media that in late May this year, a senior official from China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, upset by upper-level suppression, defected to Russia with top-secret documents, directly seeking refuge with Putin. The documents exposed that the CCP had already prepared two plans in case the Russian regime collapsed during the war in Ukraine. It is said that Putin was furious upon seeing the documents and almost fainted."

China's primary plan if Russia fails to conquer Ukraine is to invade Siberia up to the Ural Mountains, install a puppet Communist government and then occupy and defacto annex Siberia.

I have been saying this for years that China will invade Siberia long before they invade Taiwan. Taiwan is just a distraction so the Chinese can cover their eventual preparations to invade Siberia with a classic Sun Tsu misdirection. 

And this is the case.  :2popcorn:

Invading Taiwan would involve major casualties for the PLA & quite possibly trigger an overthrown of the CCP; taking the Russian Central & Far East would be minimal PLA casualties and is an acceptable loss for Chinese families.

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2266 on: July 17, 2025, 12:12:59 pm »
I seriously doubt China could take and hold Siberia, much less manage it. They simply aren't equipped to do so, and why would they want to anyway?

Taiwan could be taken much easier by infiltration and subterfuge.

I know carving up Russia is a fever dream of some here, but I'm not sure they'd like the consequences.
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« Reply #2267 on: July 17, 2025, 12:13:48 pm »
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Medvedev proposed launching preventive strikes against NATO countries.

In an interview with TASS, he stated that Russia needs to strike first, rather than wait for attacks from the Alliance, because the West "still has not only treachery 'running through its veins' but also a sick, deeply outdated notion of its own superiority."

"And we need to behave accordingly. Respond in full measure. For Western elites, an independent, strong Russia has always been a historical anomaly. And a very convincing refutation of their 'civilizational superiority.' What is happening today - a proxy war, but in essence a full-scale war, sanctions packages, loud statements about the militarization of Europe - is yet another attempt to destroy the 'historical anomaly' hated by the West. Our country - Russia," he said.

Medvedev said that Moscow, having started the war with the aim of 'demilitarizing' and 'denazifying' Ukraine, gave it "a chance to stop being a pawn" in someone else's "bloody geopolitical games," adding that it's also necessary to conduct "deparasitation" in Ukraine.



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« Reply #2268 on: July 17, 2025, 12:16:47 pm »
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« Reply #2269 on: July 17, 2025, 01:56:23 pm »
I seriously doubt China could take and hold Siberia, much less manage it. They simply aren't equipped to do so, and why would they want to anyway?

Taiwan could be taken much easier by infiltration and subterfuge.

I know carving up Russia is a fever dream of some here, but I'm not sure they'd like the consequences.

Russia only has about twelve million people living east of the Urals and they've gutted their Far East forces for the Ukrainian war effort. If ever China would be able to retake Siberia it is now.
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« Reply #2270 on: July 17, 2025, 01:57:58 pm »
I know carving up Russia is a fever dream of some here, but I'm not sure they'd like the consequences.

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« Reply #2271 on: July 17, 2025, 02:32:35 pm »
Defending Russia again. Noted.  tipping hat!!

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« Reply #2272 on: July 17, 2025, 02:34:37 pm »
Russia only has about twelve million people living east of the Urals and they've gutted their Far East forces for the Ukrainian war effort. If ever China would be able to retake Siberia it is now.

Why do you want to start wars and have nations carve up Russia? How are nations like China  or Iran any better?

Do you think that because you don't (so you say) want American troops dying there that somehow it's ok to warmonger with every other country's troops?
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« Reply #2273 on: July 17, 2025, 03:03:13 pm »
Why do you want to start wars

You're wrong, nobody here wants to start a war, you must be thinking of Evil Putin

He's the only one who's attacked & invaded a sovereign country for no reason, starting a war
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« Reply #2274 on: July 17, 2025, 03:05:43 pm »
You're wrong, nobody here wants to start a war, you must be thinking of Evil Putin

He's the only one who's attacked & invaded a sovereign country for no reason, starting a war

I assume then you would consider China taking Siberia the same thing, or any other country trying to get a piece of collapsed Russia.
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« Reply #2275 on: July 17, 2025, 03:23:09 pm »
Putin's reasoning for invading Ukraine was that "if a country owned the land in the past, then it can claim it now"

So, using Putin's logic, then China has right to re-take the Amur Lands, Japan has a right to re-take the Kamchatka Peninsula & Sakhalin Island, Finland & Sweden can re-take the Karelian Peninsula, etc.

Do you accept Putin's logic?
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« Reply #2276 on: July 17, 2025, 03:38:05 pm »
A lot of nations have prior standing claims to Russian territory.  So, if Putin wants to go there ...

What about the Mongol Empire?  They used to own quite a bit of Russian real estate.

Poland and Lithuania used to own some and Belarus and Russian territory.

The French have a claim to Moscow after Napoleone Bonaparte occupied it.

The Turks used to own the much of the Caucasus region.

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« Reply #2277 on: July 17, 2025, 03:43:13 pm »
Putin's reasoning for invading Ukraine was that "if a country owned the land in the past, then it can claim it now"

So, using Putin's logic, then China has right to re-take the Amur Lands, Japan has a right to re-take the Kamchatka Peninsula & Sakhalin Island, Finland & Sweden can re-take the Karelian Peninsula, etc.

Do you accept Putin's logic?

Apparently you do, which saddens but doesn't surprise me Cap'n Queeg.

I mean hell, let's take every territorial dispute around the planet and let's just go to war. Cuz Russia did it! Light it up!
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« Reply #2278 on: July 17, 2025, 04:05:03 pm »
Personal insults? Go to FR, you'll be right at home there.

Actually, I oppose Putin's logic, which is why I continually oppose & criticize Russia.

On the other side, YOU have never criticized Putin's invasion, which suggest that you are the one that agrees with his twisted thinking.
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« Reply #2279 on: July 17, 2025, 04:43:23 pm »
I know carving up Russia is a fever dream of some here, but I'm not sure they'd like the consequences.

Defending Russia again. Noted.  tipping hat!!

I don't see that statement as "defending Russia".  Actions have consequences.  I certainly wouldn't want China making a land-grab in Siberia.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2280 on: July 17, 2025, 04:48:27 pm »
A lot of nations have prior standing claims to Russian territory.  So, if Putin wants to go there ...

What about the Mongol Empire?  They used to own quite a bit of Russian real estate.

Poland and Lithuania used to own some and Belarus and Russian territory.

The French have a claim to Moscow after Napoleone Bonaparte occupied it.

The Turks used to own the much of the Caucasus region.

And Ukraine has a claim on the name 'Rus' which was stolen by Peter the so-called Great from the Kivian Rus' Empire.
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« Reply #2281 on: July 17, 2025, 04:49:34 pm »
Personal insults? Go to FR, you'll be right at home there.

Actually, I oppose Putin's logic, which is why I continually oppose & criticize Russia.

On the other side, YOU have never criticized Putin's invasion, which suggest that you are the one that agrees with his twisted thinking.

He's just another Martin Armstrong shill - to be ignored.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2282 on: July 17, 2025, 07:27:16 pm »
from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1lzuw54/the_average_russian_believes_ukraine_is_full_of/
So that's who listens to CNN...

Seriously, they repeat what they have been told.

(Somehow missing the part about 'The Great Patriotic War' defeating the Nazis.)
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« Reply #2283 on: July 17, 2025, 07:34:35 pm »
So that's who listens to CNN...

Seriously, they repeat what they have been told.

(Somehow missing the part about 'The Great Patriotic War' defeating the Nazis.)

So how are we any different?

Somebody drags a $100 bill through a trailer park and finds someone to make a completely unfounded allegation about someone (Roy Moore for instance) and it works to perfection.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2284 on: July 17, 2025, 08:30:16 pm »
So how are we any different?

Somebody drags a $100 bill through a trailer park and finds someone to make a completely unfounded allegation about someone (Roy Moore for instance) and it works to perfection.

Well some believed that BS, and some of us didn't.

Since Roy Moore, though, I think more Americans have awakened to the propaganda tactics and lies, and simply do not trust Media--especially after COVID.

There will always be those who believe it because it was on TV (Ron White noted them when he mentioned what cannot be fixed). :shrug:

But I hope there are more of us who question most everything we see.

Of course, in Soviet (still) Russia, you would not want to go on record questioning the official line. You might try flying soon after.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2285 on: July 17, 2025, 09:59:17 pm »
(Somehow missing the part about 'The Great Patriotic War' defeating the Nazis.)

Let's not forget that 'The Great Patriotic War' began with the Soviet Union as the aggressor, invading six separate countries.
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« Reply #2286 on: July 17, 2025, 10:02:11 pm »
So how are we any different?

Somebody drags a $100 bill through a trailer park and finds someone to make a completely unfounded allegation about someone (Roy Moore for instance) and it works to perfection.


The main difference here is that no one invaded Alabama exercising the eradication of the civilian population because of allegations against Roy Moore.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2288 on: July 17, 2025, 10:33:24 pm »
Defence24: Poland Supplies Ukraine with Nearly 300 Armored Vehicles and 106 Artillery Systems in 2024

Sania Kozatskyi  |  July 17, 2025 |  12:35



Krab self-propelled guns of the Polish company Huta Stalowa Wola. Photo: Huta Stalowa Wola

Polish defense companies and arms trade intermediaries have exported nearly 300 armored vehicles and 106 artillery systems to Ukraine in 2024.

According to Defence24, citing a recent report on Poland’s arms exports, these deliveries include modern Polish self-propelled artillery units alongside artillery systems of Soviet design.

In 2024, the Polish defence industry and arms-trade intermediaries exported:

  • 295 armored fighting vehicles of various types to Ukraine;
  • 18 self-propelled 155 mm Krab howitzers to Ukraine;
  • 78 self-propelled 122 mm 2S1 Gvozdika howitzers to Ukraine;
  • 10 towed 85 mm D-44M anti-tank guns to Ukraine.

The media notes that the exact types of armored vehicles sold to Ukraine are currently unknown, but a significant portion of them are Oncilla.

Last November, the Polish government officially disclosed record levels of assistance to the Ukrainian Defense Forces.

Poland was the first to launch large-scale deliveries of heavy weaponry to Ukraine, initiated the formation of the international tank coalition, and was the first to provide Ukraine with combat aircraft.

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/defence24-poland-supplies-ukraine-with-nearly-300-armored-vehicles-and-106-artillery-systems-in-2024/



Just want to correct the misperception one member posted here earlier about Europe not chipping in.  Poland donated heavy weaponry to Ukraine long before the US did.  They are currently spending over 5% of their GDP on defense which is about double what the US spends.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2289 on: July 17, 2025, 10:36:56 pm »
Belgium Invests 140 Million Euros in Ukrainian Air Defense

Oleksandr Yan  |  July 17, 2025  |  16:34



IRIS-T air defense system. Photo credits: Diehl

Belgium has contributed EUR 140 million to the International Air Defense Initiative (IAAD) fund.

Defense Minister Theo Francken stated this, according to the Belgian media HNL.

During a parliamentary report, the Defense Minister stated that this year, the government is contributing €140 million to a project supporting Ukrainian air defense at the request of the German Foreign and Defense Ministers.

He added that the Belgian Air Force is ready to deploy its A400M military transport aircraft to provide logistical support for the initiative.  .  .

.  .  .  In May, Theo Francken partially disclosed plans to transfer military aid for 2025, announcing the delivery of 20 Cerber air defense systems to Ukraine.

There is no information about the mysterious anti-aircraft system of this name. It is possible that this is a supply of missile systems based on the 70mm FZ275 LGR laser-guided missile, which operates on the same principle as the US APKWS.  .  .

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/belgium-invests-140-million-euros-in-ukrainian-air-defense/
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2290 on: July 17, 2025, 10:40:37 pm »
The main difference here is that no one invaded Alabama exercising the eradication of the civilian population because of allegations against Roy Moore.

Right! All that happened in this case is Mitch and company kept a very good man and true patriot out of the U. S. senate. No big deal. /S

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2291 on: July 17, 2025, 10:41:14 pm »
Ukrainian Strike Puts Russian Shchekinoazot Chemical Plant Out of Action

Taras Safronov  |  July 17, 2025  |  21:44



Shchekinoazot Plant

On the night of July 17, the territory of the Shchekinoazot United Chemical Company was attacked in the village of Pervomaisky, Tula Region, Russia.

This plant produces not only industrial chemicals, but also substances used in the military industry.

Local residents reported hitting a methanol barrel and damaging workshops.

A fire broke out at the site of the strike, which was captured on video by Russian users.

According to Russian propagandists, the Russian Defense Ministry’s air defense units “destroyed three drones” during the attack.

They also claimed that UAV debris had allegedly fallen on the territory of an enterprise and in a number of localities. There was no mention of a fire in the official reports.

According to preliminary data, a new ammonia and urea production complex with a capacity of 525,000 and 700,000 tons per year, respectively, is under construction at Shchekinoazot. It was planned to be commissioned in early 2025.  .  .  .

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/ukrainian-strike-puts-russian-shchekinoazot-chemical-plant-out-of-action/


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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2292 on: July 17, 2025, 10:43:07 pm »
In Russia, due to sanctions, problems began with the repair of refineries

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Due to sanctions, Russian oil companies are experiencing problems with repairing oil refineries, said the head of the Ministry of Energy, Sergei Tsivilev, speaking at the Federation Council.

According to him, «the failures» that occur at factories are associated with problems in the supply of equipment. It came under European sanctions as part of the first package for the invasion of Ukraine — in February 2022.

«Why do failures sometimes occur? Because now we are in the sanctions regime in which we find ourselves: let’s say, 4 months are planned for repairs, but something was delayed for us, something was not delivered», — quotes Tsivilev from Reuters.

The minister added that due to sanctions restrictions «the deadlines are being shifted» for the repair of the refinery. «And we are forced to compensate for these shifts», — said Tsivilev.

Last year, oil refining at Russian refineries fell to a 12-year low after a series of Ukrainian UAV strikes knocked out at least 10 of the largest plants, some of which had been forced to sit idle for months, according to Reuters.

Difficulties with repairs are due to the fact that refineries are critically dependent on imported equipment  .  .  .

https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2025/07/17/vrossii-iz-za-sanktsii-nachalis-problemi-sremontom-npz-a169109
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2293 on: July 17, 2025, 10:46:45 pm »
The Hidden War Over Ukraine’s Lost Children

Simon Shuster  |  Jul 17, 2025  |  7:00 AM ET


Vladimir Putin could not make out the names of the missing children that appeared on the screen in front of him. They were printed in tiny letters, 339 in all, each representing a child abducted from the war zone in Ukraine and, according to authorities in Kyiv, forcibly taken to Russia. Putin had never been confronted with the list in public, and he showed no particular interest in reading it.

It was June 4, a warm day in Moscow, exactly three years, three months, and 11 days since Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine. In keeping with the habit of reclusiveness that he has cultivated during the war, the Russian President convened a meeting of his aides and ministers that day via video call. Their somber faces appeared in little boxes on his screen, while Putin sat at his desk alone.

They had a lot on their agenda. Three days earlier, the war had spilled across the breadth of Russia as the Ukrainians smuggled a fleet of cheap drones across the border and used them to attack several military airfields, damaging or destroying Russian warplanes worth billions of dollars. The next day, Ukraine and Russia held another round of peace talks in Istanbul. Putin now wanted to know how they had gone, and he called on his lead negotiator, Vladimir Medinsky, to give the highlights. About two minutes into his report, Medinsky reached for the list of children he had received from the Ukrainians in Istanbul.

“These so-called kidnapped children,” he said. “They were saved by our soldiers, evacuated under fire.” Leafing through the list of names, he added, “We’ll have to figure out how many of them are here with us.” Putin gave no response, and the meeting moved on to other issues. Outside of Russia, the abduction of these children is widely seen as a war crime. For the Kremlin, it did not seem like an urgent matter.

Indeed, over the past few months, the children’s fate has been pushed to the edges of the peace process, intensifying fears across Ukraine that they may never come home. The longer they remain in Russia, the more difficult it will be to return and reintegrate them  .  .  .

https://time.com/7302345/ukraine-lost-children-russia-war/
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2294 on: July 17, 2025, 11:01:34 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2295 on: July 17, 2025, 11:04:04 pm »
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New report from Bloomberg shows that at least 3 major Russian banks are quietly asking for bailouts due to bad loans piling up. Interest rates are at 20%, and people can’t keep up. The state is even pressuring banks not to report defaults to avoid panic.

It shows what I’ve been saying: the wartime economy works for now, but the cracks are growing. After the war, it will be very hard to keep things stable. Banks in trouble, inflation rising, and recession risk is real even the economy minister admitted it.

War spending is keeping things afloat, but behind the scenes, the pressure is serious.

Obviously, this doesn’t mean the country is collapsing tomorrow but it does show how fragile everything is under the surface.
The war economy works for now, but this isn’t a healthy system long-term.
And after the war? That’s when the real problems will hit.

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2296 on: July 17, 2025, 11:04:35 pm »
Why do you want to start wars and have nations carve up Russia?

Restoring property to those it was stolen from is not 'carving up' Russia. Siberia belongs to China and the Chinese want it back. Deal with it.
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« Reply #2297 on: July 17, 2025, 11:07:36 pm »
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🔴🔴🔴The Russian Central Bank has initiated the printing of 15 trillion rubles to sustain ongoing military efforts, a move that is likely to precipitate a financial collapse.

According to screenshots of internal correspondence from the Russian Central Bank  on July 7, 2025 ((ukrainian hacking activity) Central Bank Governor Elvira Nabiullina issued a confidential directive ordering  to print 15 trillion rubles by October, in denominations of 1,000 and 5,000 rubles. 

Officially, the stated purpose is to "stabilize inflation" and "finance priority expenditures.

However, investigators assert that the true intent is to fund the war, support mobilization efforts, and maintain an appearance of social stability.  This action is unprecedented in scale: within three months, the volume of cash in circulation in Russia will double, a phenomenon not witnessed even during the 1998 financial crisis.

For context, in 2022, an emission of 3 trillion rubles led to nearly double-digit inflation.

The current plan, involving five times that amount, is expected to have far greater consequences, as highlighted by Newsader.  Projections indicate that by winter, Russia will face a severe inflationary shock, characterized by a collapse of the ruble, soaring prices, shortages, capital flight, illicit financial schemes, and widespread impoverishment. Analysts suggest that the Central Bank is aware of the impending financial collapse but is concealing the risks from the public.

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« Reply #2298 on: July 17, 2025, 11:12:12 pm »
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« Reply #2299 on: July 17, 2025, 11:13:21 pm »
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