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« Reply #350 on: April 01, 2025, 09:59:00 pm »
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« Reply #351 on: April 01, 2025, 10:01:40 pm »
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« Reply #352 on: April 01, 2025, 10:12:31 pm »
Ukrainian MiG-29 Hits Russian Command Post in Oleshky With Precision GBU-62 Strike

Amira Barkhush  |  Apr 01, 2025  |  10:42

Ukraine’s Air Force launched precision strikes on a Russian military command post in the temporarily occupied town of Oleshky, Kherson region.

The strike was conducted by a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter jet, which deployed two GBU-62 guided bombs.

The video of the strike was shared by the journalist Yurii Butusov.


https://twitter.com/NHunter007/status/1906801239267930433

The GBU-62 is a precision-guided bomb developed by the United States, based on the BLU-122/B penetrator warhead and integrated with a Joint Direct Attack Munition guidance kit. It is designed to destroy deeply buried and hardened targets, such as fortified bunkers or command centers  .  .  .

https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukrainian-mig-29-hits-russian-command-post-in-oleshky-with-precision-gbu-62-strike-7215
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« Reply #353 on: April 01, 2025, 10:19:40 pm »
Russia says it cannot accept U.S. proposals on Ukraine 'in current form'

Andrew Osborn  |  April 1, 2025  |  12:43 PM EDT

MOSCOW, April 1 (Reuters) - Russia cannot accept U.S. proposals to end the war in Ukraine in their current form because they do not address problems Moscow regards as having caused the conflict, a senior Russian diplomat said, suggesting U.S.-Russia talks on the subject had stalled.

The comments by Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov suggest Moscow and Washington have so far been unable to bridge differences which President Vladimir Putin raised more than two weeks ago when he said U.S. proposals needed reworking.

They come as U.S. President Donald Trump appears to be growing increasingly impatient with what he has suggested might be foot-dragging over a wider deal by Moscow.

Trump in recent days has said he is "pissed off" with Putin and has spoken of imposing sanctions on countries that buy Russian oil if he feels Moscow is blocking a deal.

Ryabkov, a specialist in U.S.-Russia relations, said Moscow was not yet able to move forward with a deal however.

"We take the models and solutions proposed by the Americans very seriously, but we can't accept it all in its current form," Ryabkov was quoted by state media as telling the Russian magazine "International Affairs" in an interview released on Tuesday.

"As far as we can see, there is no place in them today for our main demand, namely to solve the problems related to the root causes of this conflict. It is completely absent, and that must be overcome."

Putin has said he wants Ukraine to drop its ambitions to join NATO, Russia to control the entirety of four Ukrainian regions it has claimed as its own, and the size of the Ukrainian army to be limited. Kyiv says those demands are tantamount to demanding its capitulation.  .  .  .

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-threatens-secondary-sanctions-russia-kremlin-says-it-is-continuing-talk-us-2025-04-01/
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #354 on: April 01, 2025, 11:18:11 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #355 on: April 01, 2025, 11:54:19 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #356 on: April 02, 2025, 05:29:17 am »
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"As far as we can see, there is no place in them today for our main demand, namely to solve the problems related to the root causes of this conflict. It is completely absent, and that must be overcome."

Euphemism for the collapse of the Soviet Union and the demand for a rollback of NATO to its 1997 membership.
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« Reply #357 on: April 02, 2025, 06:24:59 am »
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« Reply #358 on: April 02, 2025, 07:00:34 am »
And to this day there are pro-Russian posters who insist that the Ukrainians massacred their own people in Bucha just to make the Russians look bad.

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #359 on: April 02, 2025, 07:14:13 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #361 on: April 02, 2025, 08:50:57 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on April 01, 2025, 01:10:24 pm
I guess if the KGB is still alive and well after 40 years

 
Quote from: Hoodat on April 01, 2025, 09:38:42 pm
No one here said that.  No one.

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Cause there is a former KGB agent trying to bring back the Soviet Union. 

And the former KGB agent and his gang have been in power for 25 years.  Did Reagan forget to dismantle the KGB?



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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #362 on: April 02, 2025, 08:55:58 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on April 01, 2025, 09:40:25 pm
No one here is demanding we bankrupt ourselves.  No one.

Well, there's an easy enough way to prove this:  Stop demanding money for the Eastern European  Borderland.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #363 on: April 02, 2025, 08:56:56 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on April 02, 2025, 08:50:57 am

And the former KGB agent and his gang have been in power for 25 years.  Seems the KGB has been pretty darn alive and well since Reagan's "victory".

The KGB never went anywhere.  It just changed its name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service

And then there's GRU...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU_(Russian_Federation)

Why Russia's GRU military intelligence service is so feared

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56798001
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #364 on: April 02, 2025, 09:03:21 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #365 on: April 02, 2025, 10:01:54 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on April 01, 2025, 09:38:42 pm
No one here said that.  No one.

(See:  Logical fallacies - Strawman argument)

The KGB simply transformed into the FSB and the GRU. It merely amounted to a name change, with divisions between civilian internal & external, and militarily intelligence divisions. Same players, same goals, same methods.
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« Reply #366 on: April 02, 2025, 10:31:07 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #367 on: April 02, 2025, 11:58:03 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on April 02, 2025, 08:50:57 am

And the former KGB agent and his gang have been in power for 25 years.  Did Reagan forget to dismantle the KGB?

No, Bush The Elder forgot to hunt them down and kill every last one of them to make sure their particular infection didn't come back.

With the Nazis at least they were hunted down after the war and prosecuted, executed, and assassinated for their crimes.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #368 on: April 02, 2025, 12:00:41 pm »
Quote from: BobfromWB on April 02, 2025, 10:31:07 am


We should start an office pool on when Soviet Russian losses top 1,000,000.

I'm thinking to pop a bottle of Cabernet on that day.  0005
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #369 on: April 02, 2025, 01:55:47 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on April 02, 2025, 11:58:03 am
No, Bush The Elder forgot to hunt them down and kill every last one of them to make sure their particular infection didn't come back.

With the Nazis at least they were hunted down after the war and prosecuted, executed, and assassinated for their crimes.

Exactly. 
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« Reply #370 on: April 02, 2025, 02:51:18 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on April 02, 2025, 12:00:41 pm
We should start an office pool on when Soviet Russian losses top 1,000,000.

I'm thinking to pop a bottle of Cabernet on that day.  0005

I'll take the week of June 22nd
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #371 on: April 02, 2025, 07:22:48 pm »
Quote from: BobfromWB on April 02, 2025, 02:51:18 pm
I'll take the week of June 22nd

I'll call dibs on the first week of July and that's just a five day window!  :patriot:
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« Reply #372 on: April 02, 2025, 08:39:20 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on April 02, 2025, 12:00:41 pm
We should start an office pool on when Soviet Russian losses top 1,000,000.

I'm thinking to pop a bottle of Cabernet on that day.  0005

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #373 on: April 02, 2025, 09:11:03 pm »
One Of Russia’s 60 Swing-Wing Tu-22M Bombers Just Crashed

David Axe   |  Apr 02, 2025  |  04:25pm EDT

A Russian air force Tupolev Tu-22M bomber crashed in Usolsky District, in eastern Russia 2,700 miles from Ukraine. It’s probably the fifth of the 139-foot, four-person bombers the Russians have lost in the 37 months since they widened their war on Ukraine.

That’s nearly 10 percent of the pre-war fleet of around 60 swing-wing Tu-22Ms, updated versions of Cold War bombers that carry anti-ship and land-attack cruise missiles and which, from the Ukrainian perspective, are terror weapons. These days, they primarily target Ukrainian cities. Their victims are usually civilians.

Fighterbomber, the unofficial Telegram channel of the Russian air force, confirmed the crash on Wednesday. “Crew is being searched for,” the channel reported.

The Tu-22M force has had a hard war. Before Wednesday’s crash, the Russian air force had lost four of the bombers—another that crashed, one that was shot down and two that were destroyed or at least badly damaged by Ukrainian drones.

Ukraine’s long-range drone strike force has focused much of its attention on Russian bomber bases. A triple-tap series of raids between January and March targeting Engels air base in southern Russia, 400 miles from Ukraine, destroyed a huge stock of bomber-launched cruise missiles costing nearly $1 billion.

The Tu-22Ms almost always conduct standoff raids, launching their cruise missiles from as far away as 600 miles. This keeps the Tu-22Ms out of range of Ukraine’s surface-to-air missiles—usually. But that doesn’t mean the bomber raids are totally safe for their crews.  .  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/04/02/one-of-russias-swing-wing-tu-22m-bombers-just-crashed-its-the-fifth-loss-since-2022/
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #374 on: April 02, 2025, 09:13:31 pm »
TUff s...  :tongue2:
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