UK and France to Craft a ‘Coalition of the Willing’ Ukraine Peace Plan to Present to Trump, Says PM

[cato potatoe]

The US will have to reconsider its commitment to NATO if member states send troops into Ukraine.  We cannot get sucked into a direct confrontation with Moscow no matter much VZ wants that to happen.

[Timber Rattler]

We cannot get sucked into a direct confrontation with Moscow no matter much VZ wants that to happen.

Don't the Russians have a say in that?

[Stevensr123]

I’m so gutted to be honest, America is so far away from the America Reagan represented. He would be turning in his grave with trump and the Republican Party, the party of the free world and Democracy, appeasing and sucking off Putin.

Good luck America the next time you are attacked, you had friends after 9/11, I don’t think you will have friends the next time. When you want friends to back you over china, you are going to be alone.

[Timber Rattler]

I’m so gutted to be honest, America is so far away from the America Reagan represented. He would be turning in his grave with trump and the Republican Party, the party of the free world and Democracy, appeasing and sucking off Putin.

Good luck America the next time you are attacked, you had friends after 9/11, I don’t think you will have friends the next time. When you want friends to back you over china, you are going to be alone.

 

[DominusVobiscum]

Yes, there are limits.

Please study this chart for edification. et cum spiritu tuo

Yes, Europe needs to be able to defend itself.  The USA simply cant afford it.  Perhaps the silver lining in all of this will be Europe finally taking responsibility for its security.  But selling out Ukraine as Trump seems to want to do for his precious "deal"  is not acceptable.

[Free Vulcan]

While Trump retracts his balls, freedom loving europe finally drops theirs.

Freedom loving, that's hilarious. Europe is becoming a WEF hellscape. If you're gonna try a hack at propaganda, try not to be so amateur hour.

[catfish1957]

Freedom loving, that's hilarious. Europe is becoming a WEF hellscape. If you're gonna try a hack at propaganda, try not to be so amateur hour.

 

[DefiantMassRINO]

Just ask Belgium, Czechoslovakia, and Poland what a security guarantee from an Anglo-Franco coalition of the willing is worth.

It's best Ukraine pivot to the People's Republic of China ... they have the capital, the power, and juice with Russia to provide greater security than anyone in the West.

If Ukraine will not be admitted to the E.U. and N.A.T.O., an alliance with the PRC is the way to go.

[libertybele]

Freedom loving, that's hilarious. Europe is becoming a WEF hellscape. If you're gonna try a hack at propaganda, try not to be so amateur hour.

Yes, Europe is becoming a hellscape. Yesterday I posted stats on the Muslim population in Europe (mainly migrants) and the Muslim population in France alone is 10%.  I dread to think what would happen if the US were to put boots on the ground in Ukraine.  I think we'd see an uprising from the Muslim population over in EU and likely here.  I don't believe we have an accurate accounting for the ILLEGAL Muslim population here. 

Get our border wall completed.  Continue mass deportations and don't allow migration from areas of known terrorists into this country. Get us out  of NATO. Start building up our military.

[verga]

It's the same one that the Neocons got us into on the WOT in Iraq and Afghanistan. How did that work out for us? 

Iraq was bullshit I agree.  Afghanistan was justified but we didnt have enought support from the natives AND got distracted by Iraq.

No one is demanding the US get involved in combat.  I dont want that either.  We dont have to.  In Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam, the people we were supposedly trying to help didnt want to help themselves to the level that was required.  Ukraine is a different story. 

Yes insanity.  So lets try something different:  How about supply Ukraine with enough weapons to actually WIN instead of just enough to not LOSE.  And how about putting the fianancial screws even more tightly on Russia

Is the US now no longer the leader of the free world?  Is that what you want?  Does MAGA mean America first and bleep everybody else?  You realize if we ever need help from other countries God forbid, These countries can say bleep you right back?  If China gets belligerent with us, will these countries back us up?  Dont count on it.  Myopic, self centered, greedy is Trump.  Doesnt Vance know his Bible:  To whom much is given, much is expected?  I do think there are limits to what we can do.  But refusing to call Putin a dictator, but calling Z one, claiming Ukraine started the war, suggesting Russia should keep what they are trying to steal, refusing to say Russia is an aggressor....all to make a few bucks in a "deal"  is something I would expect out of the Roman  Empire, not the USA

Exactly how much help have we received from any other country over the years? I don't recall a whole lot of Aid going to North Carolina, Florida, or Louisiana, after the hurricanes  from other countries. Who was lined up to help California after the fires?

[DominusVobiscum]

Exactly how much help have we received from any other country over the years? I don't recall a whole lot of Aid going to North Carolina, Florida, or Louisiana, after the hurricanes  from other countries. Who was lined up to help California after the fires?

Thats not the aid I was referring to.  I am talking about if and when we have a conflict with China.  Getting help in foreign affairs.  Jeez cant you read?

[verga]

Thats not the aid I was referring to.  I am talking about if and when we have a conflict with China.  Getting help in foreign affairs.  Jeez cant you read?

Yes, quite well and the fact that they have revere given us Any HELP EVER ON anything SPEAKS TO THEIR WILLINGNESS TO HELP EVER! Wake up we are on out own.

[mountaineer]

Europeans: Ukraine should receive more support

Also Europeans: But not from my country


Source: The Guardian

[MeganC]

You think like a frightened soy boy.

You behave like a Russian troll when you initiate personal insults. How about propose some ideas of your own instead of turning this site into the same kind of shitshow FR has devolved into?

Thanks. 

[Canuck Conservative]

the Muslim population in France alone is 10%

In Russia it's over 20% ... guess that makes Russia even more of a threat?

[catfish1957]

How about propose some ideas of your own instead of turning this site into the same kind of shitshow FR has devolved into?

You're FOS...  TBR had an excellent free reign of discussion between the candidates in '24.  Try getting that same action at FR.

[MeganC]

You're FOS...  TBR had an excellent free reign of discussion between the candidates in '24.  Try getting that same action at FR.

Isn't this what I said?

[catfish1957]

Isn't this what I said?

No..you alluded it was devolving into FR.  That's a touchy subject around here.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You behave like a Russian troll when you initiate personal insults.

Heal thyself, @MeganC 

You've been corrected on this before. Now you're just being an ignorant ass when you repeat this ahistorical crap.

@Meghan just an observation; is it necessary to belittle a fellow Briefer by calling him an ass?.

Yes, especially when he/she has been corrected on this same exact point before and yet insists on using it anyway. Courtesy obviously didn't get through the first time.

Speaking of Russian revisionists here you are.

You behave just like a Russian troll from TOS.

[Right_in_Virginia]

How about propose some ideas of your own instead of turning this site into the same kind of shitshow FR has devolved into?

You sound like an ignorant brat who has NO idea what she's talking about.

[libertybele]

You behave like a Russian troll when you initiate personal insults. How about propose some ideas of your own instead of turning this site into the same kind of shitshow FR has devolved into?

Thanks. 

Wow.  @MeganC  accusing @Right_in_Virginia of turning this forum into the same kind of sh*tshow FR devolved into I find completely insulting and really reflects poorly on your assessment and judgement.  Most of us take pride in belonging to this forum and respect one another even with our differences of opinions.

Please, stop the insults and please stop with the holier than thou attitude. Believe me, I've had many disagreements over the years with @Right_in_Virginia but I can assure you for certain that she has contributed a lot to this forum and I am grateful.

Enough said.



 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Wow.  @MeganC  accusing @Right_in_Virginia of turning this forum into the same kind of sh*tshow FR devolved into I find completely insulting and really reflects poorly on your assessment and judgement.  Most of us take pride in belonging to this forum and respect one another even with our differences of opinions.

Please, stop the insults and please stop with the holier than thou attitude. Believe me, I've had many disagreements over the years with @Right_in_Virginia but I can assure you for certain that she has contributed a lot to this forum and I am grateful.

Enough said.

Thank you, @libertybele   

[MeganC]

Wow.  @MeganC  accusing @Right_in_Virginia of turning this forum into the same kind of sh*tshow FR devolved into I find completely insulting and really reflects poorly on your assessment and judgement.  Most of us take pride in belonging to this forum and respect one another even with our differences of opinions.

Please, stop the insults and please stop with the holier than thou attitude. Believe me, I've had many disagreements over the years with @Right_in_Virginia but I can assure you for certain that she has contributed a lot to this forum and I am grateful.

Enough said.

Why are you insulted about what I wrote to someone else? Freudian slip much?

[libertybele]

Why are you insulted about what I wrote to someone else? Freudian slip much?

    ??? I guess you just don't get it.  We are all Briefers in here and for the most part hold a mutual respect for one another, which makes this forum different and IMHO the best of the best.  No we definitely don't all agree with each other; quite the opposite. 

There have been times where I've had to go to the Member's Lounge for pie to cool off or I've taken a few days away.   

[catfish1957]

   ??? I guess you just don't get it.  We are all Briefers in here and for the most part hold a mutual respect for one another, which makes this forum different and IMHO the best of the best.  No we definitely don't all agree with each other; quite the opposite. 

There have been times where I've had to go to the Member's Lounge for pie to cool off or I've taken a few days away.   

I get a little grouchy sometimes, but us curmudgeons sometimes have trouble shedding our inner "Gran Torino".

My apologies to those who might have been offended.