UK and France to Craft a ‘Coalition of the Willing’ Ukraine Peace Plan to Present to Trump, Says PM

[mystery-ak]

UK and France to Craft a ‘Coalition of the Willing’ Ukraine Peace Plan to Present to Trump, Says PM Starmer

Kurt Zindulka 2 Mar 2025

UK Prime Minister Sir Kier Starmer said ahead of a Lancaster House summit on Sunday that Britain and France will work to craft a Ukraine ceasefire deal that would be presented to the United States.

Echoing the language of former U.S. President George W. Bush, the Labour Party leader said that London and Paris will seek to build a “coalition of the willing” to enforce a peace in Ukraine.

The UK and France have already committed to sending troops into the former Eastern bloc nation to act as peacekeepers, but other European nations, notably Italy, Germany, and Poland, have so far shot down the idea.

“We’ve got to find those countries in Europe that are prepared to be a bit more forward-leaning,” Prime Minister Starmer said per The Telegraph.

“I’m not criticising anyone here, but rather than move at the pace of every single member, every single country in Europe, which would in the end be quite a slow pace, I do think we’ve got to probably get to a coalition of the willing now.”

The British leader said that he would work with French President Emmanuel Macron to craft a “plan” for peace in Ukraine that they would present to the United States.

Attempting to throw his weight around, President Macron appeared to demand that Europeans be given a voice at the negotiating table, saying per The Times: “If the United States settled a ceasefire solely with Russia, it would breach international law. For a permanent member of the UN Security Council, that would be a profound break.

“If they settled an accord with Russia without the Europeans at the table … that would be a rupture at the heart of the Atlantic alliance… We are in favour of peace but not of a capitulation that takes place against the backdrop of a rout or abandonment of the Ukrainians,” he added.

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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/03/02/britain-and-france-to-craft-a-coalition-of-the-willing-ukraine-ceasefire-plan-to-present-to-trump/

[DominusVobiscum]

While Trump retracts his balls, freedom loving europe finally drops theirs.

[libertybele]

While Trump retracts his balls, freedom loving europe finally drops theirs.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

[catfish1957]

While Trump retracts his balls, freedom loving europe finally drops theirs.

I fully understand the "Grow A Pair" saying.  It's the same one that the Neocons got us into on the WOT in Iraq and Afghanistan. How did that work out for us?   Don't get me wrong, I supported it as it unfolded, and now regret every showing an ounce of support for "W".

I hope you understand the anecdotal  definition of "insanity".  Because unless we stay the course with Trump, we are going to get it slapped back in our face in spades.

[mystery-ak]

I am so happy both my son and husband has retired from the Army...I would be losing my mind right now..

[Fishrrman]

Hmmmm....
Lemmmeeeesseeee here...

The title reads:
"UK and France to Craft a ‘Coalition of the Willing’ Ukraine Peace Plan to Present to Trump..."

Ummmm....
Why would they "present" their plan to Mr. Trump...?

Why not present it to both little z and putin instead...?

Won't THEIR signatures need to be on it...?
Aren't THEY the ones who would have to agree to it...?

[libertybele]

I am so happy both my son and husband has retired from the Army...I would be losing my mind right now..

My husband's nephew is due to retire soon from the Army after 25 years; it's time.

[DominusVobiscum]

It's the same one that the Neocons got us into on the WOT in Iraq and Afghanistan. How did that work out for us? 

Iraq was bullshit I agree.  Afghanistan was justified but we didnt have enought support from the natives AND got distracted by Iraq.

No one is demanding the US get involved in combat.  I dont want that either.  We dont have to.  In Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam, the people we were supposedly trying to help didnt want to help themselves to the level that was required.  Ukraine is a different story. 

Yes insanity.  So lets try something different:  How about supply Ukraine with enough weapons to actually WIN instead of just enough to not LOSE.  And how about putting the fianancial screws even more tightly on Russia

Is the US now no longer the leader of the free world?  Is that what you want?  Does MAGA mean America first and bleep everybody else?  You realize if we ever need help from other countries God forbid, These countries can say bleep you right back?  If China gets belligerent with us, will these countries back us up?  Dont count on it.  Myopic, self centered, greedy is Trump.  Doesnt Vance know his Bible:  To whom much is given, much is expected?  I do think there are limits to what we can do.  But refusing to call Putin a dictator, but calling Z one, claiming Ukraine started the war, suggesting Russia should keep what they are trying to steal, refusing to say Russia is an aggressor....all to make a few bucks in a "deal"  is something I would expect out of the Roman  Empire, not the USA

[libertybele]

It's the same one that the Neocons got us into on the WOT in Iraq and Afghanistan. How did that work out for us? 

Iraq was bullshit I agree.  Afghanistan was justified but we didnt have enought support from the natives AND got distracted by Iraq.

No one is demanding the US get involved in combat.  I dont want that either.  We dont have to.  In Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam, the people we were supposedly trying to help didnt want to help themselves to the level that was required.  Ukraine is a different story. 

Yes insanity.  So lets try something different:  How about supply Ukraine with enough weapons to actually WIN instead of just enough to not LOSE.  And how about putting the fianancial screws even more tightly on Russia

Is the US now no longer the leader of the free world?  Is that what you want?  Does MAGA mean America first and bleep everybody else?  You realize if we ever need help from other countries God forbid, These countries can say bleep you right back?  If China gets belligerent with us, will these countries back us up?  Dont count on it.  Myopic, self centered, greedy is Trump.  Doesnt Vance know his Bible:  To whom much is given, much is expected?  I do think there are limits to what we can do.  But refusing to call Putin a dictator, but calling Z one, claiming Ukraine started the war, suggesting Russia should keep what they are trying to steal, refusing to say Russia is an aggressor....all to make a few bucks in a "deal"  is something I would expect out of the Roman  Empire, not the USA

You have things a little backasswards, but no worries.  He's made a deal with the UK and other EU nations.  We've spent BILLIONS.  Let them support the Ukrainian grifter.

The best to hopefully come out of all  of this is that the American people see Z for the grifter he is and the US gets the heck out of NATO.

Prayers up for the Ukrainian people.

[Right_in_Virginia]

UK and France to Craft a ‘Coalition of the Willing’ Ukraine Peace Plan to Present to Trump, Says PM Starmer

UK Prime Minister Sir Kier Starmer said ahead of a Lancaster House summit on Sunday that Britain and France will work to craft a Ukraine ceasefire deal that would be presented to the United States.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/03/02/britain-and-france-to-craft-a-coalition-of-the-willing-ukraine-ceasefire-plan-to-present-to-trump/

Leave us the hell out of your circus.

[DominusVobiscum]

Grifter how so?

Mr 24 hours is an extortionist

[mystery-ak]

@DominusVobiscum

Is the US now no longer the leader of the free world?  Is that what you want?  Does MAGA mean America first and bleep everybody else?  You realize if we ever need help from other countries God forbid, These countries can say bleep you right back?  If China gets belligerent with us, will these countries back us up?  Dont count on it.  Myopic, self centered, greedy is Trump.  Doesnt Vance know his Bible:  To whom much is given, much is expected?  I do think there are limits to what we can do.  But refusing to call Putin a dictator, but calling Z one, claiming Ukraine started the war, suggesting Russia should keep what they are trying to steal, refusing to say Russia is an aggressor....all to make a few bucks in a "deal"  is something I would expect out of the Roman  Empire, not the USA

You made a lot of good points...but say if China is belligerent with the US don't the other countries know they would be next and it would be in their interest to help us out.

[Kamaji]

While Trump retracts his balls, freedom loving europe finally drops theirs.

Yup.  Pretty scary that Europeans are more interested in preserving freedom than is the President of the United States.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Is the US now no longer the leader of the free world?

How is being Europe's bi!ch the same as being the "leader of the free world"?

Does MAGA mean America first and bleep everybody else?

Nope.  "Make America Great Again" means exactly what it says --- and "America First" is the pathway.

A great America is economically, militarily, spiritually, and socially strong. A great America is independent --- beholden to no one and hitched to no other star or captive to any threat.

A great America is able to act on her own values and interests ---- able to decline an invitation to war when the battle does not rise to the level of our blood and treasure; able to win the battle when it does.    *This* is global leadership.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@DominusVobiscum
You made a lot of good points...but say if China is belligerent with the US don't the other countries know they would be next and it would be in their interest to help us out.

The way the world is moving, it will be China vs their opponents.

Little doubt that the US and Europe will be their opponents.  Best to have also have Russia in the opponent category to combat China, but it may be 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' for them

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Is the US now no longer the leader of the free world?  Is that what you want?  Does MAGA mean America first and bleep everybody else?  You realize if we ever need help from other countries God forbid, These countries can say bleep you right back?  If China gets belligerent with us, will these countries back us up?  Dont count on it.  Myopic, self centered, greedy is Trump.  Doesnt Vance know his Bible:  To whom much is given, much is expected?  I do think there are limits to what we can do.  But refusing to call Putin a dictator, but calling Z one, claiming Ukraine started the war, suggesting Russia should keep what they are trying to steal, refusing to say Russia is an aggressor....all to make a few bucks in a "deal"  is something I would expect out of the Roman  Empire, not the USA

Yes, there are limits.

Please study this chart for edification. et cum spiritu tuo

[Kamaji]

It's the same one that the Neocons got us into on the WOT in Iraq and Afghanistan. How did that work out for us? 

Iraq was bullshit I agree.  Afghanistan was justified but we didnt have enought support from the natives AND got distracted by Iraq.

No one is demanding the US get involved in combat.  I dont want that either.  We dont have to.  In Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam, the people we were supposedly trying to help didnt want to help themselves to the level that was required.  Ukraine is a different story. 

Yes insanity.  So lets try something different:  How about supply Ukraine with enough weapons to actually WIN instead of just enough to not LOSE.  And how about putting the fianancial screws even more tightly on Russia

Is the US now no longer the leader of the free world?  Is that what you want?  Does MAGA mean America first and bleep everybody else?  You realize if we ever need help from other countries God forbid, These countries can say bleep you right back?  If China gets belligerent with us, will these countries back us up?  Dont count on it.  Myopic, self centered, greedy is Trump.  Doesnt Vance know his Bible:  To whom much is given, much is expected?  I do think there are limits to what we can do.  But refusing to call Putin a dictator, but calling Z one, claiming Ukraine started the war, suggesting Russia should keep what they are trying to steal, refusing to say Russia is an aggressor....all to make a few bucks in a "deal"  is something I would expect out of the Roman  Empire, not the USA

[Timber Rattler]

@DominusVobiscum
You made a lot of good points...but say if China is belligerent with the US don't the other countries know they would be next and it would be in their interest to help us out.

Nope.  The world doesn't work that way.  And that argument also cuts both ways, as I've been saying over and over again.

[Timber Rattler]

  *This* is global leadership hubris.

Fixed.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Fixed.

You think like a frightened soy boy.

[libertybele]

Leave us the hell out of your circus.

Amen!!!!

[240B]

The British leader said that he would work with French President Emmanuel Macron to craft a “plan” for peace in Ukraine that they would present to the United States.

“There is absolutely no way that the European nations without American support can provide any form of security guarantee for Ukraine.”

Polish President Andrzej Duda also joined the chorus in Europe calling for Zelensky to mend ties with Trump, saying Saturday: “You have to go back to the talk table, sit down to negotiate… If anyone is able to achieve an end to the war, then the United States has that potential, no one else.”

Europe is now openly begging for U.S. involvement in the 'peace process'. Everything Europe says they are going to do, is to be presented before Trump for approval. I honestly thought that Europe would welcome the opportunity to present themselves as an independent global military power. But the opposite has arisen, they are terrified of the idea.

[dfwgator]

Polish President Andrzej Duda also joined the chorus in Europe calling for Zelensky to mend ties with Trump, saying Saturday: “You have to go back to the talk table, sit down to negotiate… If anyone is able to achieve an end to the war, then the United States has that potential, no one else.”
 

Zelenskyy has to listen to Poland.  They have the most to lose if there is war, and there are millions of Ukrainians in Poland who have worn out their welcome and need to go back home.

[dfwgator]

Yeah, France,  by the way, thanks for all your help during the invasion of Iraq.

[Wingnut]

Zelenskyy has to listen to Poland.  They have the most to lose if there is war, and there are millions of Ukrainians in Poland who have worn out their welcome and need to go back home.

You often don't make a lot of profound statements here, or make much sense.  But you are not wrong on Poland's problem. @dfwgator

[cato potatoe]

The US will have to reconsider its commitment to NATO if member states send troops into Ukraine.  We cannot get sucked into a direct confrontation with Moscow no matter much VZ wants that to happen.

[Timber Rattler]

We cannot get sucked into a direct confrontation with Moscow no matter much VZ wants that to happen.

Don't the Russians have a say in that?

[Stevensr123]

I’m so gutted to be honest, America is so far away from the America Reagan represented. He would be turning in his grave with trump and the Republican Party, the party of the free world and Democracy, appeasing and sucking off Putin.

Good luck America the next time you are attacked, you had friends after 9/11, I don’t think you will have friends the next time. When you want friends to back you over china, you are going to be alone.

[Timber Rattler]

I’m so gutted to be honest, America is so far away from the America Reagan represented. He would be turning in his grave with trump and the Republican Party, the party of the free world and Democracy, appeasing and sucking off Putin.

Good luck America the next time you are attacked, you had friends after 9/11, I don’t think you will have friends the next time. When you want friends to back you over china, you are going to be alone.

 

[DominusVobiscum]

Yes, there are limits.

Please study this chart for edification. et cum spiritu tuo

Yes, Europe needs to be able to defend itself.  The USA simply cant afford it.  Perhaps the silver lining in all of this will be Europe finally taking responsibility for its security.  But selling out Ukraine as Trump seems to want to do for his precious "deal"  is not acceptable.

[Free Vulcan]

While Trump retracts his balls, freedom loving europe finally drops theirs.

Freedom loving, that's hilarious. Europe is becoming a WEF hellscape. If you're gonna try a hack at propaganda, try not to be so amateur hour.

[catfish1957]

Freedom loving, that's hilarious. Europe is becoming a WEF hellscape. If you're gonna try a hack at propaganda, try not to be so amateur hour.

 

[DefiantMassRINO]

Just ask Belgium, Czechoslovakia, and Poland what a security guarantee from an Anglo-Franco coalition of the willing is worth.

It's best Ukraine pivot to the People's Republic of China ... they have the capital, the power, and juice with Russia to provide greater security than anyone in the West.

If Ukraine will not be admitted to the E.U. and N.A.T.O., an alliance with the PRC is the way to go.

[libertybele]

Freedom loving, that's hilarious. Europe is becoming a WEF hellscape. If you're gonna try a hack at propaganda, try not to be so amateur hour.

Yes, Europe is becoming a hellscape. Yesterday I posted stats on the Muslim population in Europe (mainly migrants) and the Muslim population in France alone is 10%.  I dread to think what would happen if the US were to put boots on the ground in Ukraine.  I think we'd see an uprising from the Muslim population over in EU and likely here.  I don't believe we have an accurate accounting for the ILLEGAL Muslim population here. 

Get our border wall completed.  Continue mass deportations and don't allow migration from areas of known terrorists into this country. Get us out  of NATO. Start building up our military.

[verga]

It's the same one that the Neocons got us into on the WOT in Iraq and Afghanistan. How did that work out for us? 

Iraq was bullshit I agree.  Afghanistan was justified but we didnt have enought support from the natives AND got distracted by Iraq.

No one is demanding the US get involved in combat.  I dont want that either.  We dont have to.  In Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam, the people we were supposedly trying to help didnt want to help themselves to the level that was required.  Ukraine is a different story. 

Yes insanity.  So lets try something different:  How about supply Ukraine with enough weapons to actually WIN instead of just enough to not LOSE.  And how about putting the fianancial screws even more tightly on Russia

Is the US now no longer the leader of the free world?  Is that what you want?  Does MAGA mean America first and bleep everybody else?  You realize if we ever need help from other countries God forbid, These countries can say bleep you right back?  If China gets belligerent with us, will these countries back us up?  Dont count on it.  Myopic, self centered, greedy is Trump.  Doesnt Vance know his Bible:  To whom much is given, much is expected?  I do think there are limits to what we can do.  But refusing to call Putin a dictator, but calling Z one, claiming Ukraine started the war, suggesting Russia should keep what they are trying to steal, refusing to say Russia is an aggressor....all to make a few bucks in a "deal"  is something I would expect out of the Roman  Empire, not the USA

Exactly how much help have we received from any other country over the years? I don't recall a whole lot of Aid going to North Carolina, Florida, or Louisiana, after the hurricanes  from other countries. Who was lined up to help California after the fires?

[DominusVobiscum]

Exactly how much help have we received from any other country over the years? I don't recall a whole lot of Aid going to North Carolina, Florida, or Louisiana, after the hurricanes  from other countries. Who was lined up to help California after the fires?

Thats not the aid I was referring to.  I am talking about if and when we have a conflict with China.  Getting help in foreign affairs.  Jeez cant you read?

[verga]

Thats not the aid I was referring to.  I am talking about if and when we have a conflict with China.  Getting help in foreign affairs.  Jeez cant you read?

Yes, quite well and the fact that they have revere given us Any HELP EVER ON anything SPEAKS TO THEIR WILLINGNESS TO HELP EVER! Wake up we are on out own.

[mountaineer]

Europeans: Ukraine should receive more support

Also Europeans: But not from my country


Source: The Guardian

[MeganC]

You think like a frightened soy boy.

You behave like a Russian troll when you initiate personal insults. How about propose some ideas of your own instead of turning this site into the same kind of shitshow FR has devolved into?

Thanks. 

[Canuck Conservative]

the Muslim population in France alone is 10%

In Russia it's over 20% ... guess that makes Russia even more of a threat?

[catfish1957]

How about propose some ideas of your own instead of turning this site into the same kind of shitshow FR has devolved into?

You're FOS...  TBR had an excellent free reign of discussion between the candidates in '24.  Try getting that same action at FR.

[MeganC]

You're FOS...  TBR had an excellent free reign of discussion between the candidates in '24.  Try getting that same action at FR.

Isn't this what I said?

[catfish1957]

Isn't this what I said?

No..you alluded it was devolving into FR.  That's a touchy subject around here.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You behave like a Russian troll when you initiate personal insults.

Heal thyself, @MeganC 

You've been corrected on this before. Now you're just being an ignorant ass when you repeat this ahistorical crap.

@Meghan just an observation; is it necessary to belittle a fellow Briefer by calling him an ass?.

Yes, especially when he/she has been corrected on this same exact point before and yet insists on using it anyway. Courtesy obviously didn't get through the first time.

Speaking of Russian revisionists here you are.

You behave just like a Russian troll from TOS.

[Right_in_Virginia]

How about propose some ideas of your own instead of turning this site into the same kind of shitshow FR has devolved into?

You sound like an ignorant brat who has NO idea what she's talking about.

[libertybele]

You behave like a Russian troll when you initiate personal insults. How about propose some ideas of your own instead of turning this site into the same kind of shitshow FR has devolved into?

Thanks. 

Wow.  @MeganC  accusing @Right_in_Virginia of turning this forum into the same kind of sh*tshow FR devolved into I find completely insulting and really reflects poorly on your assessment and judgement.  Most of us take pride in belonging to this forum and respect one another even with our differences of opinions.

Please, stop the insults and please stop with the holier than thou attitude. Believe me, I've had many disagreements over the years with @Right_in_Virginia but I can assure you for certain that she has contributed a lot to this forum and I am grateful.

Enough said.



 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Wow.  @MeganC  accusing @Right_in_Virginia of turning this forum into the same kind of sh*tshow FR devolved into I find completely insulting and really reflects poorly on your assessment and judgement.  Most of us take pride in belonging to this forum and respect one another even with our differences of opinions.

Please, stop the insults and please stop with the holier than thou attitude. Believe me, I've had many disagreements over the years with @Right_in_Virginia but I can assure you for certain that she has contributed a lot to this forum and I am grateful.

Enough said.

Thank you, @libertybele   

[MeganC]

Wow.  @MeganC  accusing @Right_in_Virginia of turning this forum into the same kind of sh*tshow FR devolved into I find completely insulting and really reflects poorly on your assessment and judgement.  Most of us take pride in belonging to this forum and respect one another even with our differences of opinions.

Please, stop the insults and please stop with the holier than thou attitude. Believe me, I've had many disagreements over the years with @Right_in_Virginia but I can assure you for certain that she has contributed a lot to this forum and I am grateful.

Enough said.

Why are you insulted about what I wrote to someone else? Freudian slip much?

[libertybele]

Why are you insulted about what I wrote to someone else? Freudian slip much?

    ??? I guess you just don't get it.  We are all Briefers in here and for the most part hold a mutual respect for one another, which makes this forum different and IMHO the best of the best.  No we definitely don't all agree with each other; quite the opposite. 

There have been times where I've had to go to the Member's Lounge for pie to cool off or I've taken a few days away.   

[catfish1957]

   ??? I guess you just don't get it.  We are all Briefers in here and for the most part hold a mutual respect for one another, which makes this forum different and IMHO the best of the best.  No we definitely don't all agree with each other; quite the opposite. 

There have been times where I've had to go to the Member's Lounge for pie to cool off or I've taken a few days away.   

I get a little grouchy sometimes, but us curmudgeons sometimes have trouble shedding our inner "Gran Torino".

My apologies to those who might have been offended.