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[catfish1957]

- Both NG and the SU invaded neighboring countries, without any provocation, just to steal their land ... Russia does the same (Georgia 2007, Ukraine 2014 & 2022)

- NZ persecuted (as in, jailing and killing) and scapegoated an unpopular minority (Jews); Russia does the same (with gays)

- Both NG and the SU eliminated opposition politicians; Putin does that too (he whacked Navalny just over 1 year ago)

There's a lot more similarities, I don't have the time.

Yes, the comparison is still valid. Russia is Nazi Germany 2.0. The desperate attempts to deny it are lame.

Not living in the past here, but using the past to warn us about the present.

Similarity and Scale are two different drastic  concepts, that you fail to share.   Now that's lame

[Free Vulcan]

- Both NG and the SU invaded neighboring countries, without any provocation, just to steal their land ... Russia does the same (Georgia 2007, Ukraine 2014 & 2022)

- NZ persecuted (as in, jailing and killing) and scapegoated an unpopular minority (Jews); Russia does the same (with gays)

- Both NG and the SU eliminated opposition politicians; Putin does that too (he whacked Navalny just over 1 year ago)

There's a lot more similarities, I don't have the time.

Yes, the comparison is still valid. Russia is Nazi Germany 2.0. The desperate attempts to deny it are lame.

Not living in the past here, but using the past to warn us about the present.

All your billowy, flowery rhetoric grasping at equivocation is just superficial smoke to justify your Cap'n Queeg quest. Russia can't even win a war with boots on the ground and a proxy supplying the opposition.

[catfish1957]

I am seeing that a lot of the Twitter footage of Zellinsky's government  kidnapping young men for conscripts is getting close to full verification.

JD Vance alluded to it last Friday before Z-Grift quickly changed the subject.   If and when it becomes fully verified , I want and hope every Z supporter here go on record of supporting that too. And that they support our tax dollars subsidizing it.

[Canuck Conservative]

If America can't recognize the danger and wants to be isolationist, then step aside and let others - who do recognize the danger - confront the monster

Maybe America's time as a World leader is past?

[Wingnut]

If America can't recognize the danger and wants to be isolationist, then step aside and let others - who do recognize the danger - confront the monster

Maybe America's time as a World leader is past?

Let me put this in terms you can understand.

We are tired of our "Allies" living rent free in our basement like a lazy Millennial and only needing us when they want the password to our ATM card.   

[catfish1957]

If America can't recognize the danger and wants to be isolationist, then step aside and let others - who do recognize the danger - confront the monster

Maybe America's time as a World leader is past?

You almost answered your own question, except .....Right message, wrong monkey. 

If we were talking about Xi right now, you'd hear a  significantly different message from most of us.  The Chicoms are the real threat, and this Russian bullshit  is just a ruse to distract.    The EU is very capable of dealing with Putin.  Let them. 

[Canuck Conservative]

The EU is very capable of dealing with Putin.  Let them.

That's what I said - If America is afraid of, or unwilling to confront, the Russian monster, others will have to.

To do otherwise would send the wrong message - not just to the dictator, but also to Europe's own citizens, that their countries were afraid to confront a real threat.

[mystery-ak]

‘Replacing Me Won’t be Easy’: Zelensky Says He’d Just Get Elected Again in Fresh Ukraine Elections

President Volodymyr Zelensky insists he’s so popular you’d have to ban him from office to prevent him from winning the next Ukraine election.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/03/03/replacing-me-wont-be-easy-zelensky-says-hed-just-get-elected-again/

[mystery-ak]

[Free Vulcan]

If America can't recognize the danger and wants to be isolationist, then step aside and let others - who do recognize the danger - confront the monster

Maybe America's time as a World leader is past?

Sophomoric, but in reality it's Europe that isolationist. They've refused to do the heavy lifting well past the Cold War and want someone else to lead and spend their blood and treasure so they can have their WEF socialism.

But nice try at some twisty rhetoric.

[Free Vulcan]

That's what I said - If America is afraid of, or unwilling to confront, the Russian monster, others will have to.

To do otherwise would send the wrong message - not just to the dictator, but also to Europe's own citizens, that their countries were afraid to confront a real threat.

Compared to China? Cap'n Queeg, there are bigger fish than trying to annihilate Russis that are far more in our self-interest.

You've never answered the question, do you think American should put troops on the ground in Ukraine?

[Canuck Conservative]

Why can't we admit that Russia AND China are both threats to the US?

Along with North Korea and Iran? (And probably Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua too, plus a few others ...)

[libertybele]

If America can't recognize the danger and wants to be isolationist, then step aside and let others - who do recognize the danger - confront the monster

Maybe America's time as a World leader is past?

If you go back and re-read one of my posts to you I do name other 'enemies' other than Russia.  If the US decides to be an isolationist -- it is their choice.  No one gets to dictate otherwise!

And Canada is contributing what to this 'monster' that you speak of?  They contribute far less than 3% of NATO's defense fund.

[libertybele]

Why can't we admit that Russia AND China are both threats to the US?

Along with North Korea and Iran? (And probably Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua too, plus a few others ...)

I did -- apparently you haven't bothered to read my posts.  So ... before you huff and puff you might want to do so.

[Free Vulcan]

Why can't we admit that Russia AND China are both threats to the US?

Along with North Korea and Iran? (And probably Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua too, plus a few others ...)

Because you have to say that to have any intellectual credibility?

Unfortunately your Cap'n Queeg fixation on Russia has given you away.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Ukraine's TV primadonna tried to upstage America's TV pimradonna, and he failed.

No one better dare attempt to upstage Trump in front of live cameras.  The consequences will be ugly.

What Z-man failed to ackowledge his role as a stage prop for Trump's live show in front of TV cameras.  Z-man was supposed to nod, smile, thank Trump, and kiss Trump's ass in front of the live TV cameras.  That's what anyone in Trump's live shots is expected to do.

It's best to not upstage America's orange Norma Desmond.

[Canuck Conservative]

I did -- apparently you haven't bothered to read my posts

My apologies, I can't read everything, just don't have the time for that ... but if you're smart enough to recognize that Russia really is a threat, then I give you full credit.

"Some" on this forum make it sound like the only threat is China, and nobody else ... j/s

[MeganC]

Unfortunately your Cap'n Queeg fixation on Russia has given you away.

Russia has earned the hate. Pure and simple. They're currently occupying lands that belong to Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, and Japan. They're an aggressor and they have delusions of imperial grandeur when their economy is less than that of Canada.

[catfish1957]

Russia has earned the hate.

And that's the rub.....   Your hate has jaded your judgement.   I don't like Russia either, but that boogey man thing kind of went away 60 years ago.

And I am continued to be  flabberghasted that none of this concern is being pointed at the Chicoms...   Madness, I tell ya.. 

[catfish1957]

My apologies, I can't read everything, just don't have the time for that ... but if you're smart enough to recognize that Russia really is a threat, then I give you full credit.

"Some" on this forum make it sound like the only threat is China, and nobody else ... j/s

Fair enough, but have you heard of prioritization?   If we even spent a 1/3 of the time we spend on Russia-Russia-Russia  vs the Chicom Pac-Rim threat, we could have a normal discussion.   And that prioritization SHOULD include diverted miltary resources away from Europe and towards defense in the Pacific.

[libertybele]

My apologies, I can't read everything, just don't have the time for that ... but if you're smart enough to recognize that Russia really is a threat, then I give you full credit.

"Some" on this forum make it sound like the only threat is China, and nobody else ... j/s

Of course Russia is a geo-political threat, however, CHINA is the larger threat.  Let's not forget though that the DEMS wrongfully accused Russia and Trump. 

My opinion remains.  BOTH Z and Putin cannot be trusted. 

[libertybele]

Fair enough, but have you heard of prioritization?   If we even spent a 1/3 of the time we spend on Russia-Russia-Russia  vs the Chicom Pac-Rim threat, we could have a normal discussion.   And that prioritization SHOULD include diverted miltary resources away from Europe and towards defense in the Pacific.

 

[libertybele]

Russia has earned the hate. Pure and simple. They're currently occupying lands that belong to Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, and Japan. They're an aggressor and they have delusions of imperial grandeur when their economy is less than that of Canada.

I get that you hate Russia and what I don't think you quite grasp is the decades of Urkaine/Russian aggression, and that Ukraine is not innocent and devoid of any wrong doing against its own people.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Russia is only a threat to people who aren't Putin and who are prone to falling off balconies.

[libertybele]

Russia is only a threat to people who aren't Putin and who are prone to falling off balconies.

Z, Putin, XI, and Jong Un, among others should not be trusted.  Just because Z and Putin are in a conflict is not the responsibility of the US -- tread carefully yes.  We've already given Z BILLIONS in both dollars and munitions in aid to Ukraine. Putin could see that as the US picking sides.

Trump's goal is peace.  Throwing more $$ at Z is only going to feed Ukraine's aggression.  Keep in mind that the Russian people are suffering as well.