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[catfish1957]

- Both NG and the SU invaded neighboring countries, without any provocation, just to steal their land ... Russia does the same (Georgia 2007, Ukraine 2014 & 2022)

- NZ persecuted (as in, jailing and killing) and scapegoated an unpopular minority (Jews); Russia does the same (with gays)

- Both NG and the SU eliminated opposition politicians; Putin does that too (he whacked Navalny just over 1 year ago)

There's a lot more similarities, I don't have the time.

Yes, the comparison is still valid. Russia is Nazi Germany 2.0. The desperate attempts to deny it are lame.

Not living in the past here, but using the past to warn us about the present.

Similarity and Scale are two different drastic  concepts, that you fail to share.   Now that's lame

[Free Vulcan]

- Both NG and the SU invaded neighboring countries, without any provocation, just to steal their land ... Russia does the same (Georgia 2007, Ukraine 2014 & 2022)

- NZ persecuted (as in, jailing and killing) and scapegoated an unpopular minority (Jews); Russia does the same (with gays)

- Both NG and the SU eliminated opposition politicians; Putin does that too (he whacked Navalny just over 1 year ago)

There's a lot more similarities, I don't have the time.

Yes, the comparison is still valid. Russia is Nazi Germany 2.0. The desperate attempts to deny it are lame.

Not living in the past here, but using the past to warn us about the present.

All your billowy, flowery rhetoric grasping at equivocation is just superficial smoke to justify your Cap'n Queeg quest. Russia can't even win a war with boots on the ground and a proxy supplying the opposition.

[catfish1957]

I am seeing that a lot of the Twitter footage of Zellinsky's government  kidnapping young men for conscripts is getting close to full verification.

JD Vance alluded to it last Friday before Z-Grift quickly changed the subject.   If and when it becomes fully verified , I want and hope every Z supporter here go on record of supporting that too. And that they support our tax dollars subsidizing it.

[Canuck Conservative]

If America can't recognize the danger and wants to be isolationist, then step aside and let others - who do recognize the danger - confront the monster

Maybe America's time as a World leader is past?

[Wingnut]

If America can't recognize the danger and wants to be isolationist, then step aside and let others - who do recognize the danger - confront the monster

Maybe America's time as a World leader is past?

Let me put this in terms you can understand.

We are tired of our "Allies" living rent free in our basement like a lazy Millennial and only needing us when they want the password to our ATM card.   

[catfish1957]

If America can't recognize the danger and wants to be isolationist, then step aside and let others - who do recognize the danger - confront the monster

Maybe America's time as a World leader is past?

You almost answered your own question, except .....Right message, wrong monkey. 

If we were talking about Xi right now, you'd hear a  significantly different message from most of us.  The Chicoms are the real threat, and this Russian bullshit  is just a ruse to distract.    The EU is very capable of dealing with Putin.  Let them. 

[Canuck Conservative]

The EU is very capable of dealing with Putin.  Let them.

That's what I said - If America is afraid of, or unwilling to confront, the Russian monster, others will have to.

To do otherwise would send the wrong message - not just to the dictator, but also to Europe's own citizens, that their countries were afraid to confront a real threat.

[mystery-ak]

‘Replacing Me Won’t be Easy’: Zelensky Says He’d Just Get Elected Again in Fresh Ukraine Elections

President Volodymyr Zelensky insists he’s so popular you’d have to ban him from office to prevent him from winning the next Ukraine election.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/03/03/replacing-me-wont-be-easy-zelensky-says-hed-just-get-elected-again/

[mystery-ak]

[Free Vulcan]

If America can't recognize the danger and wants to be isolationist, then step aside and let others - who do recognize the danger - confront the monster

Maybe America's time as a World leader is past?

Sophomoric, but in reality it's Europe that isolationist. They've refused to do the heavy lifting well past the Cold War and want someone else to lead and spend their blood and treasure so they can have their WEF socialism.

But nice try at some twisty rhetoric.

[Free Vulcan]

That's what I said - If America is afraid of, or unwilling to confront, the Russian monster, others will have to.

To do otherwise would send the wrong message - not just to the dictator, but also to Europe's own citizens, that their countries were afraid to confront a real threat.

Compared to China? Cap'n Queeg, there are bigger fish than trying to annihilate Russis that are far more in our self-interest.

You've never answered the question, do you think American should put troops on the ground in Ukraine?

[Canuck Conservative]

Why can't we admit that Russia AND China are both threats to the US?

Along with North Korea and Iran? (And probably Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua too, plus a few others ...)

[libertybele]

If America can't recognize the danger and wants to be isolationist, then step aside and let others - who do recognize the danger - confront the monster

Maybe America's time as a World leader is past?

If you go back and re-read one of my posts to you I do name other 'enemies' other than Russia.  If the US decides to be an isolationist -- it is their choice.  No one gets to dictate otherwise!

And Canada is contributing what to this 'monster' that you speak of?  They contribute far less than 3% of NATO's defense fund.

[libertybele]

Why can't we admit that Russia AND China are both threats to the US?

Along with North Korea and Iran? (And probably Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua too, plus a few others ...)

I did -- apparently you haven't bothered to read my posts.  So ... before you huff and puff you might want to do so.

[Free Vulcan]

Why can't we admit that Russia AND China are both threats to the US?

Along with North Korea and Iran? (And probably Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua too, plus a few others ...)

Because you have to say that to have any intellectual credibility?

Unfortunately your Cap'n Queeg fixation on Russia has given you away.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Ukraine's TV primadonna tried to upstage America's TV pimradonna, and he failed.

No one better dare attempt to upstage Trump in front of live cameras.  The consequences will be ugly.

What Z-man failed to ackowledge his role as a stage prop for Trump's live show in front of TV cameras.  Z-man was supposed to nod, smile, thank Trump, and kiss Trump's ass in front of the live TV cameras.  That's what anyone in Trump's live shots is expected to do.

It's best to not upstage America's orange Norma Desmond.

[Canuck Conservative]

I did -- apparently you haven't bothered to read my posts

My apologies, I can't read everything, just don't have the time for that ... but if you're smart enough to recognize that Russia really is a threat, then I give you full credit.

"Some" on this forum make it sound like the only threat is China, and nobody else ... j/s

[MeganC]

Unfortunately your Cap'n Queeg fixation on Russia has given you away.

Russia has earned the hate. Pure and simple. They're currently occupying lands that belong to Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, and Japan. They're an aggressor and they have delusions of imperial grandeur when their economy is less than that of Canada.

[catfish1957]

Russia has earned the hate.

And that's the rub.....   Your hate has jaded your judgement.   I don't like Russia either, but that boogey man thing kind of went away 60 years ago.

And I am continued to be  flabberghasted that none of this concern is being pointed at the Chicoms...   Madness, I tell ya.. 

[catfish1957]

My apologies, I can't read everything, just don't have the time for that ... but if you're smart enough to recognize that Russia really is a threat, then I give you full credit.

"Some" on this forum make it sound like the only threat is China, and nobody else ... j/s

Fair enough, but have you heard of prioritization?   If we even spent a 1/3 of the time we spend on Russia-Russia-Russia  vs the Chicom Pac-Rim threat, we could have a normal discussion.   And that prioritization SHOULD include diverted miltary resources away from Europe and towards defense in the Pacific.

[libertybele]

My apologies, I can't read everything, just don't have the time for that ... but if you're smart enough to recognize that Russia really is a threat, then I give you full credit.

"Some" on this forum make it sound like the only threat is China, and nobody else ... j/s

Of course Russia is a geo-political threat, however, CHINA is the larger threat.  Let's not forget though that the DEMS wrongfully accused Russia and Trump. 

My opinion remains.  BOTH Z and Putin cannot be trusted. 

[libertybele]

Fair enough, but have you heard of prioritization?   If we even spent a 1/3 of the time we spend on Russia-Russia-Russia  vs the Chicom Pac-Rim threat, we could have a normal discussion.   And that prioritization SHOULD include diverted miltary resources away from Europe and towards defense in the Pacific.

 

[libertybele]

Russia has earned the hate. Pure and simple. They're currently occupying lands that belong to Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, and Japan. They're an aggressor and they have delusions of imperial grandeur when their economy is less than that of Canada.

I get that you hate Russia and what I don't think you quite grasp is the decades of Urkaine/Russian aggression, and that Ukraine is not innocent and devoid of any wrong doing against its own people.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Russia is only a threat to people who aren't Putin and who are prone to falling off balconies.

[libertybele]

Russia is only a threat to people who aren't Putin and who are prone to falling off balconies.

Z, Putin, XI, and Jong Un, among others should not be trusted.  Just because Z and Putin are in a conflict is not the responsibility of the US -- tread carefully yes.  We've already given Z BILLIONS in both dollars and munitions in aid to Ukraine. Putin could see that as the US picking sides.

Trump's goal is peace.  Throwing more $$ at Z is only going to feed Ukraine's aggression.  Keep in mind that the Russian people are suffering as well.

[Canuck Conservative]

Ukraine's aggression

Huh?

You mean like "America's aggression" during WWII?

Formerly known as "fighting back after being attacked"

[DefiantMassRINO]

Trump's goal is peace.  Throwing more $$ at Z is only going to feed Ukraine's aggression.  Keep in mind that the Russian people are suffering as well.

1.) Putin does not give a damn about the Russian people nor his North Korean cannon fodder.
2.) Putin invaded, occupied, annexed, or supported insurgency in territory within Ukraine's 1991 borders.

Putin is the aggressor.  If they didn't want their refineries, navy, and supply depots blown up by Ukrainian drones, Putin shouldn't have attacked Ukrainian sovereignty in 2014 (Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk), and should not have invaded and occupied Ukraine 2022-Present.

If the Japanese didn't want Hiroshima and Nagasaki to get nuked, maybe the Japanese Empire should not have attacked Pearl Harbor and should not have occupied Wake Island, Guam, and the Philippines.

Agressors/Bullies never consider that their mark/victim will punch back.

[MeganC]

And that's the rub.....   Your hate has jaded your judgement.   I don't like Russia either, but that boogey man thing kind of went away 60 years ago.

And I am continued to be  flabberghasted that none of this concern is being pointed at the Chicoms...   Madness, I tell ya..

Russia murdered some fifteen to thirty million Ukrainians and now they're back to do it again.

'Hate' is the correct feeling for those who wish to conquer and exterminate others.

The Germans and the Japanese had to be curbstomped to put an end to their evil empires and it is abundantly obvious that Russia likewise will not end their wicked ways until their entire country is reduced to rubble.

[bilo]

your ilk are abandoning an ally, turning your back on Europe. What’s going to happen when you come calling for help when you want to deal with china?

Your actions today are going to get Japan, Australia etc to start shifting away from American dependence, Europe is going to stop buying American arms, other countries are going to stop believing American exceptionalism, the bricks movement is going to increase.

Trump has just bleep off 80 years of history. It’s making America weaker.

What you are failing to see is the post WWII globalist order is being done away with. The countries that have benefited the most from our willingness to sacrifice so that they would be protected from a potential expansion of the USSR no longer need to be protected. The USSR is gone and now it is long past time for these countries to stand on their own. Europe can protect itself if it wants. It's not our job.

Other than wanting to help a country that was wrongfully invaded what does Ukraine offer us? Greenland, Panama, and the 51st state are of greater importance to our interests.

If Ukraine doesn't even want to enter into a ceasefire to see if there is any possibility of a lasting peace that's their business, just don't ask us for anymore help. We have plenty of problems close to home we need to deal with.

[bilo]

That's a joke right?  You  are equating Marshall plan Trillions of $ with friendship? Europe, the past 80 years has behaved more like a high dollar hooker, than any friend.  You think they'd been our friend without the massive and constant payola?

I didn't think naivety was that strong in your portfolio, but I guess it is.

A perfect summation of why the arrogant attitude of the Europeans is so grating. Let them send their armies and money to Ukraine.

[mountaineer]

Bonchie
@bonchieredstate
This is a must-read from Marc Thiessen, WaPo columnist and big supporter of Ukraine.
What Zelensky did was insane, unnecessary, and inexplicable. The sooner people admit that instead of creating their own alter-universe, the sooner a possible fix will arise.
12:27 PM · Mar 3, 2025

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/03/02/zelensky-trump-ukraine-clash-vance/

[bilo]

Zelensky Says He Is Ready for a Redo with Trump After Oval Office Fiasco

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Sunday he is willing to return to the White House to discuss “serious issues” if invited despite the collapse of talks with President Donald Trump during a meeting intended to conclude in the signing of a minerals agreement on Friday.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/03/03/zelensky-says-he-is-ready-for-a-redo-with-trump-after-oval-office-fiasco/

I know Pres. Trump is more gracious than I would be, but I pray if we keep dealing with this guy it's only at a sub-cabinet level. He's made it clear he can't be trusted and he should never be allowed in the White House again.

[Bigun]

I know Pres. Trump is more gracious than I would be, but I pray if we keep dealing with this guy it's only at a sub-cabinet level. He's made it clear he can't be trusted and he should never be allowed in the White House again.

 

[GtHawk]

A perfect summation of why the arrogant attitude of the Europeans is so grating. Let them send their armies and money to Ukraine.

Well good luck with them sending money and armies to Ukraine, German’s  economy is weak and none of them have spent enough to increase either weapons or soldiers, so just like WWI and WWII they will need America to keep them in the game. And if England and France sen their young men into the Ukraine war you can bet the muzzies won’t be going. I watched a YouTube of a young reporter asking men on the street in England if they would go to Ukraine if England sent soldiers and all the the ‘migrants’ she asked said that England wasn’t their country and they would just go home….to whatever toilet they came from.

[Bigun]

Well good luck with them sending money and armies to Ukraine, German’s  economy is weak and none of them have spent enough to increase either weapons or soldiers, so just like WWI and WWII they will need America to keep them in the game. And if England and France sen their young men into the Ukraine war you can bet the muzzies won’t be going. I watched a YouTube of a young reporter asking men on the street in England if they would go to Ukraine if England sent soldiers and all the the ‘migrants’ she asked said that England wasn’t their country and they would just go home….to whatever toilet they came from.

You mean to say that the residents of Londonistan and Parisistan aren't full of willing recruits?

 

[bilo]

Well good luck with them sending money and armies to Ukraine, German’s  economy is weak and none of them have spent enough to increase either weapons or soldiers, so just like WWI and WWII they will need America to keep them in the game. And if England and France sen their young men into the Ukraine war you can bet the muzzies won’t be going. I watched a YouTube of a young reporter asking men on the street in England if they would go to Ukraine if England sent soldiers and all the the ‘migrants’ she asked said that England wasn’t their country and they would just go home….to whatever toilet they came from.

Great points!

I only sort of feel bad for them (IOW, not really), but that's their problems. We can't carry them on our backs any longer. We are just getting started with a financial restructuring and need to focus on our people for a change. The Cold War is over.

[GtHawk]

You mean to say that the residents of Londonistan and Parisistan aren't full of willing recruits?

 

Oh they are loaded with willing recruits…..to murder the infidels after raping the women and children.

[Bigun]

Oh they are loaded with willing recruits…..to murder the infidels after raping the women and children.

Yeah! That's what I thought.

[jmyrlefuller]

Bonchie
@bonchieredstate
This is a must-read from Marc Thiessen, WaPo columnist and big supporter of Ukraine.
What Zelensky did was insane, unnecessary, and inexplicable. The sooner people admit that instead of creating their own alter-universe, the sooner a possible fix will arise.
12:27 PM · Mar 3, 2025

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/03/02/zelensky-trump-ukraine-clash-vance/

The fever pitch to which Zelensky worship has escalated on the left has practically turned into a fetish.

[libertybele]

I know Pres. Trump is more gracious than I would be, but I pray if we keep dealing with this guy it's only at a sub-cabinet level. He's made it clear he can't be trusted and he should never be allowed in the White House again.

I agree. Z has made it very clear that he can't be trusted, nor should he be allowed into the WH again.  Someone stated in here that he's become unhinged and I agree.

True or not, I listened to Hannity in the car on the way home, and this is Z's 3rd time that he was supposed to sign an agreement with the U.S.A. and backed out.

Time for him to go home and face the music.  He's created the catastrophe he now has on his hands and unfortunately, he's also created this catastrophe for his entire country.;

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Trump's not trapped in the 1940s; he is living and governing in this century against today's global threat.  That threat is not Rissia, it's China.

bingo. We have a winner.

My belief is the Chinese will take on its opponents eventually, that is the Western world of US and EU, and Russia will be on our side.

[bigheadfred]

bingo. We have a winner.

My belief is the Chinese will take on its opponents eventually, that is the Western world of US and EU, and Russia will be on our side.

Yep. China will take eastern Russia and be a bigger threat to Alaska than Russia ever was.

[Canuck Conservative]

and Russia will be on our side

Russia will never be on America's side, Russia is an enemy of the US.

The Trump Admin seem to have trouble seeing that.

[Bigun]

Russia will never be on America's side, Russia is an enemy of the US.

The Trump Admin seem to have trouble seeing that.

Russia, pre Soviet Union, was one of America's premier trading partners.

[Wingnut]

I'd partner with Russia before those slant-eyed ChiComs.  Those are the ones to worry about.

[mystery-ak]

President Trump pausing all US military aid to Ukraine following clash with Zelenskyy
The move follows a fiery meeting last week between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and President Donald Trump in the White House

By Louis Casiano Fox News
Published March 3, 2025 7:13pm EST

The Trump administration is pausing all aid to Ukraine, including weapons in transit or in Poland.

The pause comes days after a contentious meeting between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and President Donald Trump in the White House.

This story is breaking, please check back for updates.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-pauses-aid-ukraine-fiery-meeting-zelenskyy

[DB]

President Trump pausing all US military aid to Ukraine following clash with Zelenskyy
The move follows a fiery meeting last week between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and President Donald Trump in the White House

By Louis Casiano Fox News
Published March 3, 2025 7:13pm EST

The Trump administration is pausing all aid to Ukraine, including weapons in transit or in Poland.

The pause comes days after a contentious meeting between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and President Donald Trump in the White House.

This story is breaking, please check back for updates.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-pauses-aid-ukraine-fiery-meeting-zelenskyy

If Zelenskyy won't step down, this will provide some major incentive. He screwed up big time and has doubled down on it. He's got to go.

[bilo]

President Trump pausing all US military aid to Ukraine following clash with Zelenskyy
The move follows a fiery meeting last week between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and President Donald Trump in the White House

By Louis Casiano Fox News
Published March 3, 2025 7:13pm EST

The Trump administration is pausing all aid to Ukraine, including weapons in transit or in Poland.

The pause comes days after a contentious meeting between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and President Donald Trump in the White House.

This story is breaking, please check back for updates.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-pauses-aid-ukraine-fiery-meeting-zelenskyy

Now Zelenskyy is going to find out what kind of allies the EU nations really are, especially Britain.

[Bigun]

If Zelenskyy won't step down, this will provide some major incentive. He screwed up big time and has doubled down on it. He's got to go.

 

[jmyrlefuller]

Russia will never be on America's side, Russia is an enemy of the US.

The Trump Admin seem to have trouble seeing that.

Yeltsin seemed to disagree with that notion, but he's gone now.