I Was Wrong About Trump

[Hoodat]

I am more optimistic. I think we'll begin to see some legislation landing on his desk for him to sign.

The best thing we all can do is start calling your senators and your congressmen and start demanding that the start drafting bills to set Trump's agenda in stone. Otherwise, like we are all aware, all of this is for nothing.

Problem is we have a razor thin majority.  The three amigos in the Senate are toxic.  Speaker Johnson hasn't exactly been able to chorale his members in the House and Thune ... well, I wouldn't exactly call him a conservative.

I gotta side with @roamer_1 here.  I have seen nothing from Congress that will codify the gains made by Musk.  The thing I see now is having hundreds of billions sitting in the Treasury at the end of the fiscal year with 535 members of Congress scheming to get their hands on it.

There is one and only one thing that should be done with that money - retire debt.  But from what I've seen so far, I have little faith that this current Congress will play along.  Nonetheless, four years of balanced budget by pure Executive fiat will be a phenomenal blessing in the grander scheme of things compared to another $8 trillion in debt.  It will also mean larger gains for Republicans as Democrats find themselves woefully deficient in campaign funding.  And with an increase in Republicans, hopefully a few of them will be Conservatives.

Please continue to pray for this country.

That goes without saying.

If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

-2 Chronicles 7:14-

[Kamaji]

It's not what I know.  It's what I've watched you do for the last nine years.

[DB]

I gotta side with @roamer_1 here.  I have seen nothing from Congress that will codify the gains made by Musk.  The thing I see now is having hundreds of billions sitting in the Treasury at the end of the fiscal year with 535 members of Congress scheming to get their hands on it.

There is one and only one thing that should be done with that money - retire debt.  But from what I've seen so far, I have little faith that this current Congress will play along.  Nonetheless, four years of balanced budget by pure Executive fiat will be a phenomenal blessing in the grander scheme of things compared to another $8 trillion in debt.  It will also mean larger gains for Republicans as Democrats find themselves woefully deficient in campaign funding.  And with an increase in Republicans, hopefully a few of them will be Conservatives.

Pulling the lid off the sewer exposing massive corruption will be very difficult to walk back. I don't think congress can go back to business as usual after that. If the majority of the public applauds what Trump is doing, which seems to be the case so far, then that may well give courage to the spineless Republicans to actually pass laws locking things in for awhile.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Wouldn't you like to finally know whether our current vaccines or sequence of mandatory distribution do or do not contribute to the development of childhood autism?

Should parents have a say in when and what vaccine their child receives?

Bull.

I am a parent.  My son had plenty of vaxes.  I have zero problem with that.

The autism thing is largely a fad, too.  My mom was a Master’s special-Ed teacher (leader of emotionally-disturbed hospital teenage unit in ‘70s/‘80s) for 30 years of her career, and she was floored by the sudden boom in “autism” in the ‘90s, along with “ADD”.  As she stated over and over, they DO get more money for labeling more children.

Suddenly, we’re all “on the spectrum”.  If you dumb down the definition, you get more “victims”….and you can tie it in to more vaccines.  How convenient.

RFK is a Dem, period, and a conspiracy theorist.  Just like “conservatives” said 10 short years ago.  But because King Trump gives his annointment, you all bend over for it.

[libertybele]

Bull.

I am a parent.  My son had plenty of vaxes.  I have zero problem with that.

The autism thing is largely a fad, too.  My mom was a Master’s special-Ed teacher (leader of emotionally-disturbed hospital teenage unit in ‘70s/‘80s) for 30 years of her career, and she was floored by the sudden boom in “autism” in the ‘90s, along with “ADD”.  As she stated over and over, they DO get more money for labeling more children.

Suddenly, we’re all “on the spectrum”.  If you dumb down the definition, you get more “victims”….and you can tie it in to more vaccines.  How convenient.

RFK is a Dem, period, and a conspiracy theorist.  Just like “conservatives” said 10 short years ago.  But because King Trump gives his annointment, you all bend over for it.

Exactly -- they 'label'' your child and you get $$ + special teachers for your child.  Consequently schools and parents knowing that they can get $$ or benefits for their child are quick to label as many kids as they can. It's a racket.

Not to say that there aren't children who have autism; some cases more severe than others, but I've also known parents/schools who have labeled some kids unnecessarily, just because they learn at a slightly slower pace and usually they learn in a different way.  Turns out eventually little Johnny or Sally exceed expectations.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Exactly -- they 'label'' your child and you get $$ + special teachers for your child.  Consequently schools and parents knowing that they can get $$ or benefits for their child are quick to label as many kids as they can. It's a racket.

Not to say that there aren't children who have autism; some cases more severe than others, but I've also known parents/schools who have labeled some kids unnecessarily, just because they learn at a slightly slower pace and usually they learn in a different way.  Turns out eventually little Johnny or Sally exceed expectations.

My wife has her Masters on Special Ed and saw the same thing during her tenure.

She said she saw way too many labeled ADD when they were just kids with a higher than normal activity level.

And everyone should be concerned on the push for vaccines promulgated by govt.

Too many incentives exist for RX companies to push for profit and their backroom deals with corrupt bureaucrats.

We will find out a lot more on the latter as time goes on.

[libertybele]

Bull.

I am a parent.  My son had plenty of vaxes.  I have zero problem with that.

The autism thing is largely a fad, too.  My mom was a Master’s special-Ed teacher (leader of emotionally-disturbed hospital teenage unit in ‘70s/‘80s) for 30 years of her career, and she was floored by the sudden boom in “autism” in the ‘90s, along with “ADD”.  As she stated over and over, they DO get more money for labeling more children.

Suddenly, we’re all “on the spectrum”.  If you dumb down the definition, you get more “victims”….and you can tie it in to more vaccines.  How convenient.

RFK is a Dem, period, and a conspiracy theorist.  Just like “conservatives” said 10 short years ago.  But because King Trump gives his annointment, you all bend over for it.

\

Conspiracy theorist?? Nope.  I disagree.  The number of vaccines mandated these days for kids to enter school is ridiculous.  Say what you want, think what you want, but COVID was orchestrated and if you want to label that as a conspiracy theory, go right ahead.

IMHO Trump this time around is picking some really good people and I think RFK Jr. was a great pick to handle this issue.

[Hoodat]

Labels can also work the opposite way.  As the father of a (formerly) autistic son, at a time we were receiving speech and occupational therapy, we were told that we needed his condition diagnosed as a digestive disorder (which made sense because his diet was extremely limited).  We were getting some help from our insurance company, but they insisted on a diagnosis.  So we took him to a pediatric behavioral psychologist for a diagnosis.  We explained to her that if our son was diagnosed with autism, that we would lose what insurance coverage we had.  So that if she had any inkling of issuing an autism diagnosis, that we preferred she offer no diagnosis at all, and that we would gladly pay her for the 'non-visit' and go elsewhere.

So guess what she did?  She diagnosed him with autism, and we lost our insurance coverage.  From that point forward, we paid out-of-pocket for everything while still having to pay for insurance.

[libertybele]

Labels can also work the opposite way.  As the father of a (formerly) autistic son, at a time we were receiving speech and occupational therapy, we were told that we needed his condition diagnosed as a digestive disorder (which made sense because his diet was extremely limited).  We were getting some help from our insurance company, but they insisted on a diagnosis.  So we took him to a pediatric behavioral psychologist for a diagnosis.  We explained to her that if our son was diagnosed with autism, that we would lose what insurance coverage we had.  So that if she had any inkling of issuing an autism diagnosis, that we preferred she offer no diagnosis at all, and that we would gladly pay her for the 'non-visit' and go elsewhere.

So guess what she did?  She diagnosed him with autism, and we lost our insurance coverage.  From that point forward, we paid out-of-pocket for everything while still having to pay for insurance.

That is terrible and you obviously got the short end of the stick.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Hoodat

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Bull.

I am a parent.  My son had plenty of vaxes.  I have zero problem with that.

The autism thing is largely a fad, too.  My mom was a Master’s special-Ed teacher (leader of emotionally-disturbed hospital teenage unit in ‘70s/‘80s) for 30 years of her career, and she was floored by the sudden boom in “autism” in the ‘90s, along with “ADD”.  As she stated over and over, they DO get more money for labeling more children.

Suddenly, we’re all “on the spectrum”.  If you dumb down the definition, you get more “victims”….and you can tie it in to more vaccines.  How convenient.

RFK is a Dem, period, and a conspiracy theorist.  Just like “conservatives” said 10 short years ago.  But because King Trump gives his annointment, you all bend over for it.

Putting the credentials and anecdotal findings of your mom aside for the moment, the majority of parents want to know the whys for the increase in autism, previously unheard of chronic diseases in children, the increasing food allégies and obesity epidemic in our youngsters.

Sure,  poor parenting is in the mix --- but I think it's time we pin down the organic triggers. --- even if conservatives don't like the coach.

[DB]

Labels can also work the opposite way.  As the father of a (formerly) autistic son, at a time we were receiving speech and occupational therapy, we were told that we needed his condition diagnosed as a digestive disorder (which made sense because his diet was extremely limited).  We were getting some help from our insurance company, but they insisted on a diagnosis.  So we took him to a pediatric behavioral psychologist for a diagnosis.  We explained to her that if our son was diagnosed with autism, that we would lose what insurance coverage we had.  So that if she had any inkling of issuing an autism diagnosis, that we preferred she offer no diagnosis at all, and that we would gladly pay her for the 'non-visit' and go elsewhere.

So guess what she did?  She diagnosed him with autism, and we lost our insurance coverage.  From that point forward, we paid out-of-pocket for everything while still having to pay for insurance.

Have you seen this:

https://news.asu.edu/20190409-discoveries-autism-symptoms-reduced-nearly-50-percent-two-years-after-fecal-transplant

Extremely interesting.

[Hoodat]

Have you seen this:

https://news.asu.edu/20190409-discoveries-autism-symptoms-reduced-nearly-50-percent-two-years-after-fecal-transplant

Extremely interesting.

Yes, I believe that had a lot to do with it.  Which is why his speech and occupational therapists wanted it treated that way.  We did work on his diet for a long time.  Didn't do the gluten-free route.  But we did do raw milk and digestive enzymes.  Milk was weird.  Before autism, he could drink homogenized milk (and eat just about anything including any vegetable) with no problem.  After autism, he would develop severe rashes around his mouth from homogenized milk.  But when we switched him to raw milk, no rashes.  So we did that until Obama made purchasing raw milk illegal.  While autistic, he would only eat beans and rice from Chipotles, scrambled eggs and yellow grits, and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.  Now, he's back to eating anything again.

He slowly grew out of it to the point that he asked if he could go to a regular school.  The secret was lots and lots of prayer, declaration, and faith that G-d would complete what He started.  The fact that he was born at all was in itself a miracle.  So we figured G-d wouldn't have done that if He didn't have a mighty destiny to go along with him.  He still has communication issues (like his dad).  But G-d shows us a new miracle each and every day.  And I wouldn't trade that for anything.

As for Kennedy, vaccines, and all, I am not as militant against vaccines as my wife is.  But the bottom line is that they should be an individual choice.  The day my son was born, they tried to give him a Hep-B vaccine.  There is absolutely positively NO reason for that.  A newborn has no immune system.  So vaccines do zero good in that a newborn's body is incapable of creating antibodies.  For the first six months, a newborn relies upon antibodies passed on from the mother.  We politely declined, but we had to put up a fight.  The medical community is so gung-ho with vaccines that they literally force them on the patient.  It was within weeks of his 30-month vaccines that our son's autism set in.  But even after that, we had two different pediatricians drop us because we refused any further vaccines.

Bottom line, G-d is a God of Restoration.  No room for bitterness.  My son is fearfully and wonderfully made.  Thanks for posting that, @DB

[roamer_1]

Gratefully, you have no power.

That you think it's about power is what makes y'all so ignorant and dangerous.

[corbe]

    


    Through Trump's tortious 1st term, We Briefers have learned that they're those among US that will praise him no matter what he does.

[cato potatoe]

If any lasting reform emerges from the chaos, we can say Trump’s second term was a pleasant surprise.  It’s mostly bluster thus far.  We thought he was making progress on America-first foreign policy, and then he dropped the Gaza bomb. 

[MeganC]

Bull.

I am a parent.  My son had plenty of vaxes.  I have zero problem with that.

Munchausen-by-proxy. Look it up.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Munchausen-by-proxy. Look it up.

I’m aware of what that is.  Nothing of the sort.

I’d have no problem having those vaxes if they were part of mine.  I had all that I could and have also had tetanus and shingles recently in my life.  No fear of them.

[the OlLine Rebel]

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Conspiracy theorist?? Nope.  I disagree.  The number of vaccines mandated these days for kids to enter school is ridiculous.  Say what you want, think what you want, but COVID was orchestrated and if you want to label that as a conspiracy theory, go right ahead.

IMHO Trump this time around is picking some really good people and I think RFK Jr. was a great pick to handle this issue.

If you’d read prior, I am not a fan of COVID vaxes.

I don’t have to hate all vaxes or none.  RFK hates all.  I hate one.  Rushed biology, makes no sense…and facilitated by Trump.

Again, I despise hypocrisy.  I saw it on FR in spades.  10 years ago people didn’t like RFK, now they love him since their Dear Leader rewarded him for his loyalty.  Which Trump has mentioned in the past (hating on Ron for “disloyalty”).

Of course, it’s not just RFK.  It’s other people, and the behaviors of Trump.  Reviled in the Clinton years, suddenly a blind eye to similar patterns.  Hating on Graham and then ignoring how this pal of Trump shows up at every function, in the same exact time period.  Ignoring that Trump put his faith behind the very vax we revile.  It’s all happening more here, in the last year.

I’m glad Trump won, and very glad R won Congress, albeit hardly.  But he’s still imperfect, far from it, and I’m not going to pretend otherwise.  I’m still having to bicker, whatever forum I’m on, lib or conservative.  He is no RR and I’m never going to see it that way.

[DB]

If you’d read prior, I am not a fan of COVID vaxes.

I don’t have to hate all vaxes or none.  RFK hates all.  I hate one.  Rushed biology, makes no sense…and facilitated by Trump.

Again, I despise hypocrisy.  I saw it on FR in spades.  10 years ago people didn’t like RFK, now they love him since their Dear Leader rewarded him for his loyalty.  Which Trump has mentioned in the past (hating on Ron for “disloyalty”).

Of course, it’s not just RFK.  It’s other people, and the behaviors of Trump.  Reviled in the Clinton years, suddenly a blind eye to similar patterns.  Hating on Graham and then ignoring how this pal of Trump shows up at every function, in the same exact time period.  Ignoring that Trump put his faith behind the very vax we revile.  It’s all happening more here, in the last year.

I’m glad Trump won, and very glad R won Congress, albeit hardly.  But he’s still imperfect, far from it, and I’m not going to pretend otherwise.  I’m still having to bicker, whatever forum I’m on, lib or conservative.  He is no RR and I’m never going to see it that way.

So, where's the quote of RFK "hating all vaccines".

I won't wait...

[libertybele]

If you’d read prior, I am not a fan of COVID vaxes.

I don’t have to hate all vaxes or none.  RFK hates all.  I hate one.  Rushed biology, makes no sense…and facilitated by Trump.

Again, I despise hypocrisy.  I saw it on FR in spades.  10 years ago people didn’t like RFK, now they love him since their Dear Leader rewarded him for his loyalty.  Which Trump has mentioned in the past (hating on Ron for “disloyalty”).

Of course, it’s not just RFK.  It’s other people, and the behaviors of Trump.  Reviled in the Clinton years, suddenly a blind eye to similar patterns.  Hating on Graham and then ignoring how this pal of Trump shows up at every function, in the same exact time period.  Ignoring that Trump put his faith behind the very vax we revile.  It’s all happening more here, in the last year.

I’m glad Trump won, and very glad R won Congress, albeit hardly.  But he’s still imperfect, far from it, and I’m not going to pretend otherwise.  I’m still having to bicker, whatever forum I’m on, lib or conservative.  He is no RR and I’m never going to see it that way.

Where did Trump put his faith in the COVID vax?  IIRC he pushed for hydrochloronique (sp?) which at the time was working and Fauci shut him down.  Fauci pushed and hurried vaccines through with little or no approval by the FDA (not that that means anything anymore).  Trump facilitated resources available and cut through red tape in order to save lives and don't recall him mandating that people get vaccines.  He left that issue up to the different states. 

Early on Trump shut down travel from China into the U.S., he ramped up production of PPE's, ventilators, make-shift hospitals ... Trump saved lives.  Yes he ran up the deficit by doing so and also giving $$ to those who lost their jobs or were laid off --- people had to eat.  Again -- Trump saved lives.  He was just as much at Fauci's mercy as we were, except I believe he figured out Fauci was a fraud as well as Birx as he stopped doing pressers with them. 

Just because JFK Jr., is a DEM does not make him the devil that you believe him to be.

RFK Jr. is a great pick for this job.

[Bigun]

So, where's the quote of RFK "hating all vaccines".

I won't wait...

Beat me too it!  Again!

[MeganC]

I’m aware of what that is.  Nothing of the sort.

I’d have no problem having those vaxes if they were part of mine.  I had all that I could and have also had tetanus and shingles recently in my life.  No fear of them.

Vaya con Dios mi amigo. 

[DominusVobiscum]

His ass kissing of putin is really rubbing me the wrong way

[corbe]

   This Love could be real?  @DominusVobiscum

[catfish1957]

Was pretty much on board with DJT after it was apparent that the silly shit like Freedom Cities and Bonus Babies were nothing but campaign spitballing.  That and the fact that if Pedo Joe/Cackler would have been elected it would be the end of the country.

Think I came around late Spring.  With that, IMO he gets an A+ a month in.

And for the 50th time on this Forum......    Fedzilla?  Gut it!!!!!!!!!  Gut it Hard!!!!!!

[jafo2010]

Bigun...

I actually now believe we are witnessing something else that I've been predicting for many years. The Democrat party going the way of the Whig party. @DCPatriot

Well, considering there is NO NEW PARTY emerging, I don't think the Dems are going anywhere.  They may be leaderless, and in fact have been so for over four years with Wrecking Ball Joe at the helm, and then the appointed dummy Harris, who could not find her posterior with both hands and a flashlight.  But eventually, someone will emerge as a leader in their party. 

In this country, the pendulum swings both ways.

[jafo2010]

the OlLine Rebel...


I am a parent.  My son had plenty of vaxes.  I have zero problem with that.

Well, with what I know about vaccines, and the way the FDA operates, I would not be the least bit surprised that one or more vaccines are at the heart of autism.   I trust the pharma industry ZERO PERCENT!

And I encourage all here to watch the five hour discussion with leading folks in healthcare with Sen Johnson , Wisconsin that took place a few days ago.  I only caught a couple hours, but I was shocked with some of the revelations in that meeting.  But as I knew already, the medical community have been killing folks across this country with their approach to COVID these last few years.   And they are continuing to do so!  Or so this discussion revealed!!!

I read a book years ago titled Dr. Mary's Monkey.  A very interesting book about vaccines causing soft tissue cancer, a virologist working to find a solution, who happened to be involved with Lee Harvey Oswald.  A very fascinating read.  I came across it in a Barnes & Noble, the section where employees read books and provide recommendations.  Read it and was shocked, but again not surprised with the suppositions of vaccines causing cancer.

[DB]

I'm starting to worry I was right about Trump...

[MeganC]

I'm starting to worry I was right about Trump...

If he hands Ukraine to Russia you will be.

[jafo2010]

Is there no one that pulls the choke collar when Trump goes off in the weeds and does/says idiotic stuff?  We just got rid of a man that was not functional.  Did we go from the pot right into the fire?

Praising Putin and condemning Ukraine is so classic Trump, but it places him in history in a far worse position than Chamberlain for being a total fool!!!!!!!!!!

So, when do we get our Churchill?

At the pace Trump is going, we get Hakem Jeffries in two years.  Every day, I can see him becoming the 48th POTUS more and more come February, 2027.  A male Kamala Harris.  No Churchill, sadly.

[Timber Rattler]

I'm already done with Trump.  If he eventually gets impeached and removed from office, I won't shed a tear over that damned, greedy fool.

[jafo2010]

I fully support reducing the size of government, reigning in the bureaucracy.  But his approach is juvenile, and will result in everything he is doing being undone. 

I spent most of my life in management consulting, using different approaches through the years.  His approach is one I used my first year in the business, and learned quickly that it was not the best approach by far.  Trump is an easily impressed individual, like a cat seeing a toy being moved about and the cat enticed with it.

Get used to the name Hakeem Jeffries.  I see him as the next POTUS in February, 2027, when Trump and Vance get the boot.

Only way out of this potential quagmire is for the Republicans to jettison Trump and make Vance POTUS.

[bigheadfred]

 

I'm already done with Trump.  If he eventually gets impeached and removed from office, I won't shed a tear over that damned, greedy fool.

 

[berdie]

I'm already done with Trump.  If he eventually gets impeached and removed from office, I won't shed a tear over that damned, greedy fool.

I'm not thru with Trump...yet. He is doing, or trying to do some good things for this country. Sadly, his foreign policies make me cringe. Like the Gaza Riveria.

And you darn skippy I'm more than upset over his stance/words on Ukraine. But when I look back, I have never agreed with any president on all things. Not even my hero, Ronald Reagan.

[libertybele]

Wow. Trump managed to pull off quite an election by winning both the popular and electoral vote. He has only been in office for around a month, has worked diligently at an unprecedented rate and ya'll are complaining. 

No one is perfect.  I am still elated that Harris and the DEMS have lost a bit of their grip around this country's neck.

Good grief. 

[libertybele]

I'm not thru with Trump...yet. He is doing, or trying to do some good things for this country. Sadly, his foreign policies make me cringe. Like the Gaza Riveria.

And you darn skippy I'm more than upset over his stance/words on Ukraine. But when I look back, I have never agreed with any president on all things. Not even my hero, Ronald Reagan.

@berdie  One, IMHO Trump is having to pick up some of the pieces after Joe.  My hunch is that many of his policies and deals were and are unknown to us.

Frankly, right now I don't like Z's attitude, his snipes, nor his complaints. Whatever Joe promised Z or gave to Z or told him is not Trump's doing.  I get that Z has no one else to go after but Trump.

My take is it is likely right now, Trump is trying to somehow contain Putin.  Z being present for meetings between Putin and Trump at this point, I don't think, serves any purpose.

Pray that there is some sort of resolution so that this particular conflict ends.  IF this conflict doesn't end, there's no hope for any lengthy cease fire.

Putin's advantage is that he has dealt with Trump before and may not easily be swayed to do anything in Ukraine's favor as he knows that the U.S. doesn't want to continue to support Ukraine.

As for the M.E....I'm still waiting for more hostages to be released to Israel -- some have been returned but dead bodies have also been released.  It really is Bibi's call as to what his next move is. There has been a disproportionate amount of Hamas hostages released than those released to Israel.

As for the Gaza Riviera --- well -- not a fan of the idea -- but nothing else has worked. 

Just my opinion.

[berdie]

@berdie  One, IMHO Trump is having to pick up some of the pieces after Joe.  My hunch is that many of his policies and deals were and are unknown to us.

Frankly, right now I don't like Z's attitude, his snipes, nor his complaints. Whatever Joe promised Z or gave to Z or told him is not Trump's doing.  I get that Z has no one else to go after but Trump.

My take is it is likely right now, Trump is trying to somehow contain Putin.  Z being present for meetings between Putin and Trump at this point, I don't think, serves any purpose.

Pray that there is some sort of resolution so that this particular conflict ends.  IF this conflict doesn't end, there's no hope for any lengthy cease fire.

Putin's advantage is that he has dealt with Trump before and may not easily be swayed to do anything in Ukraine's favor as he knows that the U.S. doesn't want to continue to support Ukraine.

As for the M.E....I'm still waiting for more hostages to be released to Israel -- some have been returned but dead bodies have also been released.  It really is Bibi's call as to what his next move is. There has been a disproportionate amount of Hamas hostages released than those released to Israel.

As for the Gaza Riviera --- well -- not a fan of the idea -- but nothing else has worked. 

Just my opinion.

I get that we are not necessarily on the same page on this issue.

To me @libertybele,  at this point, the Ukraine was invaded. Z may/may not be dirty.  I don't have proof either way. But they were invaded.  The moral to this story is...Don't give up your self defense (nukes) for a worthless promise of protection which if I'm not mistaken Russia signed as well as the US. I hope the US is never invaded and Tx and Fla are dealt to the invaders for a peace deal. lol

Trump's containment may well equal Chamberlain's before WWII. We'll see.

As far as the ME, during his first term the Abraham Accords were on line to making great strides toward peace. Perhaps that will return. I'm sick over the return of the hostages conditions...especially the most recent. It is BiBi's call on what to do next and I hope he is more measured than I would be. But much like BiBi making the call for his country, it is Z's call for making the call for his. If we withdrew support for Isreal, they would face the same predicament as the Ukraine.

jmho

[libertybele]

I get that we are not necessarily on the same page on this issue.

To me @libertybele,  at this point, the Ukraine was invaded. Z may/may not be dirty.  I don't have proof either way. But they were invaded.  The moral to this story is...Don't give up your self defense (nukes) for a worthless promise of protection which if I'm not mistaken Russia signed as well as the US. I hope the US is never invaded and Tx and Fla are dealt to the invaders for a peace deal. lol

Trump's containment may well equal Chamberlain's before WWII. We'll see.

As far as the ME, during his first term the Abraham Accords were on line to making great strides toward peace. Perhaps that will return. I'm sick over the return of the hostages conditions...especially the most recent. It is BiBi's call on what to do next and I hope he is more measured than I would be. But much like BiBi making the call for his country, it is Z's call for making the call for his. If we withdrew support for Isreal, they would face the same predicament as the Ukraine.

jmho

Yes, Russia invaded Ukraine.  What has always bothered me though is the timeline -- as soon as Biden was seated he was giving Z money and then made an announcement that he felt Russia was going to soon attack Ukraine -- before Russia attacked.  I find that suspect (being the skeptic that I am).  So -- why was Joe giving Z $$ right off the bat and why would he make such a comment about Putin attacking?  Putin seems to be quick to the draw anyways. Had Joe said something threatening to Putin, to prod him into invading Ukraine?  Did Joe  want a war between the two to make him $$.  All keeping in mind that his son Hunter was involved in Burisma during Poroshenko's rule.  After all, Trump questioning $$ going to Ukraine/Burisma is when they started to impeach him.

Perhaps I'm reading more into the situation than warranted.

I think there is a possibility that Trump knows exactly why Putin decided to invade Ukraine when he did.

[Timber Rattler]

I think there is a possibility that Trump knows exactly why Putin decided to invade Ukraine when he did.

Oh for crying out loud...surely you are not THAT dense!  Putin invaded Ukraine thinking that he could easily oust or decapitate Zelensky's government, either annex the entire country or reinstall his stooge Yanukovych, and take control of all of Ukraine's natural resources, its Black Sea ports, and its pipelines into Western Europe, thereby giving Russia hegemonic economic control over it.

It's not hard too understand what his goal was.  Everything Putin has claimed since is pure unadulterated BS.

[libertybele]

Oh for crying out loud...surely you are not THAT dense!  Putin invaded Ukraine thinking that he could easily oust or decapitate Zelensky's government, either annex the entire country or reinstall his stooge Yanukovych, and take control of all of Ukraine's natural resources, its Black Sea ports, and its pipelines into Western Europe, thereby giving Russia hegemonic economic control over it.

It's not hard too understand what his goal was.  Everything Putin has claimed since is pure unadulterated BS.

You jump to conclusions.... Oh for heaven's sake -- Putin's end game is obviouos -- I'm questioning the timing which is right after Joe started giving Z money and making comment that he thinks Putin is going to strike -- that happened weeks before Putin actually made his move.,

Connect the dots a bit ... was Joe instrumental in encouraging Putin to strike knowing that this would be a money maker for him and his family?  With evil Joe & Co,., that could have been a possibility. 

I'm done.  Carry on with your iron clad absolute summation with your absolute proof of this Russia/Ukraine conflict. 

[Hoodat]

You jump to conclusions.... Oh for heaven's sake -- Putin's end game is obviouos -- I'm questioning the timing which is right after Joe started giving Z money and making comment that he thinks Putin is going to strike -- that happened weeks before Putin actually made his move.

You might want to go back and take a look at that.  Not only did Biden not give money to Ukraine before Russia attacked, but he was still holding back arms shipments that Trump had negotiated in 2020.  Biden did everything he could to give Putin the green light to attack.

The aid shipments that Biden began announcing in March 2022 were from the previous year.  All of this was documented on the Ukraine 1 thread.

[Hoodat]

Frankly, right now I don't like Z's attitude, his snipes, nor his complaints.

Don't you hate it when Zelenskiy points out US corruption?  Over $100 billion in aid marked for Ukraine ending up in Deep State pockets.  Fighting off all the slander aimed at him by pointing out Biden's corruption must really bother you.

[Sighlass]

Wrong about Trump... no... he is still the same egomaniac idiot history has time and time proven again and again... Has he done anything I liked... yeah... thus why I have a DOGE logo... has he done some things I think are stupid... yeah.... am I glad Biden/Harris lost... of course...  I sorta didn't want to wade into this thread because I always seem to end up with poop on my shoes.... being I didn't vote for him (or Harris) it often just gets the "you didn't pick your poison so you have no say-so" responses. O well...

I will cheer when Trump does something I like, I will boo otherwise. Sorta the same ole same ole thing yall have learned to ignore from me.... lol...

[DB]

You might want to go back and take a look at that.  Not only did Biden not give money to Ukraine before Russia attacked, but he was still holding back arms shipments that Trump had negotiated in 2020.  Biden did everything he could to give Putin the green light to attack.

The aid shipments that Biden began announcing in March 2022 were from the previous year.  All of this was documented on the Ukraine 1 thread.

Yep, Biden and crew assumed Russia was going to roll over Ukraine in short order and when they stood their ground for too long it was making Biden and crew look like idiots because their certainty of what was going to happen was dead wrong. Then only slowly did Biden start providing useful weapons but not game changing weapons.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Wrong about Trump... no... he is still the same egomaniac idiot history has time and time proven again and again... Has he done anything I liked... yeah... thus why I have a DOGE logo... has he done some things I think are stupid... yeah.... am I glad Biden/Harris lost... of course...  I sorta didn't want to wade into this thread because I always seem to end up with poop on my shoes.... being I didn't vote for him (or Harris) it often just gets the "you didn't pick your poison so you have no say-so" responses. O well...

I will cheer when Trump does something I like, I will boo otherwise. Sorta the same ole same ole thing yall have learned to ignore from me.... lol...

I still voted for Trump…I feel I have to vote for any “R”.

But I’m seen as the naysayer on these “conservative” sites.  FR hated me long ago, and seems too many have fallen in line simply to close ranks.  I get that, but that doesn’t mean amongst ourselves we have to pretend Trump is the end-all be-all and EverCorrect.

You’re not the only 1 I think.

[the OlLine Rebel]

His ass kissing of putin is really rubbing me the wrong way

The bott-kissing by millions of sycophants has long rubbed me the wrong way!

[DCPatriot]

I'm already done with Trump.  If he eventually gets impeached and removed from office, I won't shed a tear over that damned, greedy fool.

That, and plus all the liberal attacks, including the lawfare and assassination attempts, pushed him further right.  I think the close-call in Butler actually changed something in him, and made him somewhat more introspective and more focused on taking a wrecking ball to the Deep State structures that were enabling his enemies on the Left.

He still says cringy things though and I wish he'd stop praising Putin.

The above quote is you on this very thread...reply #5

LOL!  What a schizo-maroon!

[DCPatriot]

And how about getting the thread back on topic?? 

If the tiny penis Zeepers want to debate Zelensky vs. Putin start another thread or go over and piss on the Ukraine War thread.

[catfish1957]

And how about getting the thread back on topic?? 

If the tiny penis Zeepers want to debate Zelensky vs. Putin start another thread or go over and piss on the Ukraine War thread.

I give a Trump an A+ a month in.  I have been a political junkie since Nixon, so that is a data set of almost 60 years.  No one has improved things this much and fast ever.  I think the King Thing, is about the only item that I haven't care for thus far.  I know it was trolling, but that one crossed the line a tad. Well make that 2.....   This DOGE benefit needs to go 100% towards deficit reduction.  But I am a deficit hawk anyway, so that's no surprise.