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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #450 on: February 14, 2025, 05:26:42 pm »
Black Hawk pilots may have missed important air traffic control directive before DC plane crash
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #451 on: February 14, 2025, 06:11:57 pm »
I assert that "Pass Behind" was wrong and that the order should have been "HOLD and then pass behind".

And none of that would have been an issue if they had been at the 200' or below altitude limit for that location.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #452 on: February 14, 2025, 06:27:04 pm »
BREAKING: New Details Emerge About Actions of Black Hawk Pilots in Deadly DC Mid-Air Collision

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The National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) held a news conference Friday to discuss its preliminary findings as it wraps up the on-site portion of the investigation into the midair collision between a passenger jet and a U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter near Washington, DC, that killed 67 people.

NTSB Chairman Jennifer Homendy offered up a fair bit of new information as she detailed the flight paths of both aircraft as they traversed portions of the Potomac River on the evening of January 29, with the eventual crash taking place near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. Homendy indicated the Black Hawk was on a combined annual instrument and night vision goggle training flight and that, at one point, the pilot and the instructor pilot reported the helicopter being at different altitudes but didn't discuss the discrepancy.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #453 on: February 14, 2025, 06:35:50 pm »
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The army does 3 types of check rides. Instrument, annual, and night vision goggles. This was a combined annual and night vision goggle check ride. We believe the helicopter was like the helicopter crew was likely wearing night vision goggles throughout the flight. Given the nature of the flight.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #454 on: February 14, 2025, 06:45:27 pm »
Well, Mike was right..he swore they had to be wearing the night vision goggles...

Foolish place to do that (wear night vision goggles).
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #455 on: February 14, 2025, 08:32:38 pm »
So collision occurred at like 344ft and the helicopter was climbing at 9degrees?
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #456 on: February 14, 2025, 09:00:28 pm »
And none of that would have been an issue if they had been at the 200' or below altitude limit for that location.

The FAA today announced a rule change where either helicopters have to hold to allow jets to land or the jets yield to the helicopters. No more crossing flight paths with less than 1000 feet of separation...as it is everywhere else in US airspace.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #457 on: February 15, 2025, 09:41:59 am »
NTSB releases new details on D.C. midair collision

The National Transportation Safety Board Friday laid out new details on its investigation into a midair collision between an American Airlines flight and a Black Hawk helicopter last month which killed 67 people. The NTSB said the chopper may not have heard instructions from an air traffic controller to pass behind the plane. Kris Van Cleave has more

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #458 on: February 21, 2025, 10:13:58 am »
Exclusive: Army Was Sending Junior Pilots Straight from Flight School to Fly Top DC Missions Until 2023

Kristina Wong 20 Feb 2025

A recent deadly collision over Washington, D.C. involving an Army helicopter has brought sudden national scrutiny to the service and its missions over the nation’s capital, but a master Army aviator told Breitbart News that they had been at risk for years.

In fact, the aviator said, the Army was so strapped for experienced pilots that up through 2023 it was sending its most junior pilots fresh out of flight school to fly these specialized missions. At one point, an estimated 40 percent of the pilots assigned to these missions, which can include evacuating leaders in the event of an attack, were on their first assignment, the aviator said.

“D.C. is some of the most challenging and restricted airspace in the country if not the world, so you can’t just send the most junior pilots there, which they don’t anymore. We said, ‘Enough is enough. We cannot take any more new pilots, because the people that we fly are the nation’s most senior leaders, and you need experienced pilots to deal with that and to deal in this airspace,'” the aviator, who wished to speak on background.

“I want to say 40 percent of the formation was first assignment. That’s — that’s huge. The problem with that is because of who we fly and the airspace. When you have these very junior groups, we got to get these people trained, get them out there so they can start flying missions,” the aviator said, adding that instructor pilots are flying their “butts off, trying to get these people just qualified and trained.”

“So a new person comes out of flight school, they’re basically qualified in the Black Hawk. Now you have to get them qualified in the unit’s mission. So in D.C., you got to get them familiar with all the helicopter routes, all the landing zones, the airspace, all the different places [they] go. That’s the structure,” the aviator said. “There’s a lot that goes into it. And so when you, when you have a W-1, or a lieutenant fresh out of flight school, they’re struggling just to keep the spinny side up, you know? And then now, now I’m throwing all this air and it’s challenging.”

The aviator said the directive to stop sending brand new pilots came around the summer of 2023 under Army Lt. Gen. Allan Pepin, who was then in command of Joint Task Force-National Capital Region and U.S. Army Military District of Washington. Pepin, who is commander of U.S. Army North Command, is an aviator himself.

“So he had a much better understanding. Right now it’s an infantryman, and before the aviator was an infantryman,” the aviator said. “We messaged that to the right people, and then we were able to get a hold of [Human Resources Command] and kind of have a handshake deal where no more — no more brand new pilots, just because of the airspace that we operate in.”

The aviator, who personally knew the Black Hawk crew members involved in the deadly January 29 collision, did not directly attribute it to the experience gap, but disagreed with news reports describing the crew was “highly experienced.” The instructor pilot, Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Eaves, had just under 1,000 flying hours, but the co-pilot, who was doing her annual flight evaluation at the time, Captain Rebecca Lobach, had just under 500 flying hours.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #459 on: February 26, 2025, 09:10:12 am »
Families Of DCA Crash Victims Pursue Negligence Claim Against FAA, US Army

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February 25, 2025 5:46 PM ET

Families of the victims of January’s plane crash near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA) are pursuing a potential lawsuit against the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the U.S. Army, their legal representatives told the Daily Caller.

The victims’ families are exploring legal action following the fatal Jan. 29 midair collision between American Airlines Flight 5342 and a U.S. Army Sikorsky UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter over the Potomac River which killed 67 people.

The Regan Zambri Long law firm, who are representing two families who had loved ones perish in the crash, are demanding “a thorough investigation into aviation safety protocols and accountability,” according to a statement.

Negligence on behalf of the FAA, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) or the pilots of either the American Airlines flight or the Army helicopter are among possible elements a lawyer told the Daily Caller could have caused the crash, resulting in wrongful death.

Patrick Regan, president and senior partner of Regan Zambri Long, told the Caller that his team is monitoring the NTSB’s investigation and filing notices under the Federal Torts Claim Act practically “every day.” He added that they are pressuring the NTSB to complete its investigation in a reasonable and timely manner to provide closure for the victims’ families.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #460 on: February 26, 2025, 10:10:03 am »
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #461 on: April 27, 2025, 11:51:37 am »
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The @nytimes story on the January DC plane crash hides its takeaway until the last sentences: the lady helicopter pilot ignored multiple warnings from her right seat about altitude (and his directly telling her to turn away) and flew straight into a passenger jet.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #463 on: April 27, 2025, 12:41:20 pm »
Bottom line:

She was in control of the helicopter and was warned about her altitude and course and still flew straight into the commercial airliner that was well lit and where it was supposed to be.

She was the primary cause of the accident. There were established rules that she did not follow and it was her duty to do so. The next question is, should she have been at the controls in that location in the first place if she didn't have the experience necessary to safely fly there?

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #464 on: April 27, 2025, 12:53:01 pm »
Bottom line:

She was in control of the helicopter and was warned about her altitude and course and still flew straight into the commercial airliner that was well lit and where it was supposed to be.

She was the primary cause of the accident. There were established rules that she did not follow and it was her duty to do so. The next question is, should she have been at the controls in that location in the first place if she didn't have the experience necessary to safely fly there?

Was she mentally stable enough to be in a position which could potentially endanger many lives?  Suicidal has crossed my mind for no known reason.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #465 on: April 27, 2025, 12:57:18 pm »
Was she mentally stable enough to be in a position which could potentially endanger many lives?  Suicidal has crossed my mind for no known reason.

That's still an unanswered question. They purposely hid for days that she was at the controls and apparently used that time to scrub the Internet before releasing that information.

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« Reply #466 on: April 27, 2025, 01:23:12 pm »
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #467 on: April 27, 2025, 01:28:15 pm »
Bottom line:

She was in control of the helicopter and was warned about her altitude and course and still flew straight into the commercial airliner that was well lit and where it was supposed to be.

She was the primary cause of the accident. There were established rules that she did not follow and it was her duty to do so. The next question is, should she have been at the controls in that location in the first place if she didn't have the experience necessary to safely fly there?

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #468 on: April 27, 2025, 01:30:16 pm »
That's still an unanswered question. They purposely hid for days that she was at the controls and apparently used that time to scrub the Internet before releasing that information.

Professional and institutional incompetence on both sides.  And she was looking at the wrong plane with the authorized Visual Separation.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #471 on: April 27, 2025, 04:50:12 pm »
New York Times Downplays Pilot Error in Deadly DC Crash To Push Preferred Narrative
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The Army Black Hawk was flying well above its approved altitude. The co-pilot knew it. Air traffic control knew it. The families of the 64 people who lost their lives in this entirely preventable tragedy deserve better than the Times' narrative manipulation. They deserve the truth, plainly stated: Their loved ones died because a pilot ignored multiple explicit warnings and violated basic safety protocols. They don’t want us focusing on the pilot because then some uncomfortable questions have to be asked.

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« Reply #472 on: April 27, 2025, 05:15:21 pm »
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #473 on: April 27, 2025, 05:22:21 pm »
NO, NO, NO! I read repeatedly on this thread that it wasn’t the pilots fault, it was all on air traffic control.