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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2000 on: February 20, 2025, 02:15:28 pm »
Quote from: DB on February 20, 2025, 02:12:40 pm
Yet your sources boil down to the source listed in the Newsweek article I provided you.

Well some of those do lean right.  I also read the left's shit too.  Your point?
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2001 on: February 20, 2025, 02:29:52 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 20, 2025, 02:15:28 pm
Well some of those do lean right.  I also read the left's shit too.  Your point?

My point is obvious. All the sources go back to a single source, a source that is entirely unsourced and simply says what you want to hear. And then you repeat it ad infinitum.
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« Reply #2002 on: February 20, 2025, 02:38:23 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 20, 2025, 02:08:02 pm
I am a news junky.  That list is too large and variable write down.

Ditto that. And so far I have seen Zelensky accused of owning two superyachts, at least two Italian villas, a Bugatti, a GV private jet, a Dassault private jet, and so far all of that has proved untrue.

On the other side has was accused of being worth $30m when he was elected and this was true. It was also proven by his political opposition to come from his earnings in the media. They could not prove otherwise and were then unable to stop him from running to be president of Ukraine.
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« Reply #2003 on: February 20, 2025, 02:41:39 pm »
President Trump has just halted all U.S. arms shipments to Ukraine - including those intended for purchase - which are now on hold as well.

It has been reported.
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2004 on: February 20, 2025, 02:42:16 pm »
Before Canonizing St. Z, let's find out what Musk can find out. 

And again , his biggest allies were Schumer, Pelosi, and Biden.  That tells me enough.
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« Reply #2005 on: February 20, 2025, 02:53:20 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 20, 2025, 02:42:16 pm
Before Canonizing St. Z, let's find out what Musk can find out. 

And again , his biggest allies were Schumer, Pelosi, and Biden.  That tells me enough.

This may well end up with Trump exiting NATO. In which case the Russians will attack the Baltics, Turkey and Greece will go to war, etc etc etc and then we'll send two million kids to Europe again.
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« Reply #2006 on: February 20, 2025, 02:59:39 pm »
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This may well end up with Trump exiting NATO. In which case the Russians will attack the Baltics, Turkey and Greece will go to war, etc etc etc and then we'll send two million kids to Europe again.

With what? 

(1) His army is decimated. 
(2) Russia has the 11th largest GDP in the world, and that standing is dropping like a rock due to demographics and corruption
(3) Their currency is at an all time low.  1 Rouble = one US cent.
(4) They are one oil bust away from total collapse, including stranding the troops they have already deployed

Like I said earlier....   I stopped being afraid of the boogie man when I was about 5.  Putin should hang, but let the EU and his own people do the dirty deed.  All that Putin has left are nukes..  And he is more likely to use them if the US in intervening in this quagmire.

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2011 on: February 20, 2025, 07:57:09 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on February 20, 2025, 02:41:39 pm
President Trump has just halted all U.S. arms shipments to Ukraine - including those intended for purchase - which are now on hold as well.

It has been reported.

So far I have not seen that be confirmed.
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« Reply #2012 on: February 20, 2025, 11:12:18 pm »
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« Reply #2013 on: February 20, 2025, 11:16:56 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2014 on: February 20, 2025, 11:19:37 pm »
Ukrainian F-16 (that was NOT given to them by the US)

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« Reply #2015 on: February 20, 2025, 11:21:14 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2016 on: February 20, 2025, 11:30:12 pm »
Zelenskiy has gone on the airwaves to address the Ukrainian people each and every day of this conflict.  Yet his detractors in this country claim he's "throwing a hissy fit".

Judge for yourself, people:


https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1892714137492312352
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2017 on: February 20, 2025, 11:34:14 pm »
Blow for Putin as 'occupation official' killed in early-morning car bomb in Ukraine

The death of Yevgeny Bogdanov is the latest killing of a pro-Russian figure during the Ukraine war.

Housnia Shams  |  Feb 20, 2025  |  12:17 ET

A Russian official has been killed in a car bomb attack in Ukraine, Kyiv's military intelligence agency says.

Deputy head of Russia's occupation administration of Berdyansk, Yevgeny Bogdanov, died when his car exploded near a building in Berdyansk on Thursday morning, according to Ukraine's military intelligence agency (HUR).

The agency described Bogdanov as a "Russian war criminal."

"During his stay in the occupied Ukrainian territories, Yevgeny Bogdanov repeatedly committed war crimes against Ukrainian citizens," HUR said in a post on its website.

"He arrived in Berdyansk immediately after the capture of the city by the troops of the aggressor state in 2022."

HUR said Bogdanov was responsible for "controlling finances in the occupation administration" and organizing the construction of fortifications in parts of the Zaporizhzhia region.  .  .

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/164278/russia-ukraine-war-Yevgeny-Bogdanov-car-bomb-putin
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2018 on: February 20, 2025, 11:37:39 pm »
Ukraine rallies around Zelenskyy after Trump’s vicious attack

Kyiv blasts back at the U.S. president after he ridicules Ukraine’s leader — and demands the war-ravaged country hold an election.

Veronika Melkozerova  |  February 19  |  2025 9:35 pm CET

KYIV — Ukraine is sick of it.

After American President Donald Trump attacked Kyiv’s leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy, calling him incompetent and a “dictator without elections” who had duped the U.S. into coughing up billions of dollars in military support, Ukrainian politicians, officials and soldiers leaped to their president’s defense.

“Ukraine is a sovereign state! Volodymyr Zelenskyy is the President of Ukraine. Legitimate until another is elected. Only Ukrainians can decide when and under what conditions they should change their government. Today, there are no such conditions,” said Yulia Tymoshenko, former prime minister of Ukraine and leader of the mildly oppositional Motherland faction in the Ukrainian parliament, in a statement Wednesday.

Trump’s stunning and total adoption of the Kremlin’s narrative on Ukraine — which has huge ramifications for Europe’s security architecture — has reverberated across the continent, but nowhere is it being felt more keenly than in Kyiv, which has been resisting a full-scale Russian invasion for three years.

The White House’s attempt to badger Ukraine into holding elections during a war that has sent millions of its citizens fleeing for safety to other countries is particularly vexing for politicians.

The Ukrainian constitution forbids holding elections during martial law and active warfare, as Kyiv can’t guarantee the safety and voting rights of all Ukrainians, such as soldiers and people living in Russian-occupied territories.

“Elections during wartime are impossible and immoral because our military will not be able to participate in them. And without them, elections will never be legitimate.  .  .  .

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-volodymyr-zelenskyy-president-ukraine-russia-war-white-house/
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2019 on: February 20, 2025, 11:45:28 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2020 on: February 21, 2025, 05:01:48 am »
For all the ignoramuses around here:

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“Ukraine is a sovereign state! Volodymyr Zelenskyy is the President of Ukraine. Legitimate until another is elected. Only Ukrainians can decide when and under what conditions they should change their government. Today, there are no such conditions,” said Yulia Tymoshenko, former prime minister of Ukraine and leader of the mildly oppositional Motherland faction in the Ukrainian parliament, in a statement Wednesday.

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The Ukrainian constitution forbids holding elections during martial law and active warfare, as Kyiv can’t guarantee the safety and voting rights of all Ukrainians, such as soldiers and people living in Russian-occupied territories.

“Elections during wartime are impossible and immoral because our military will not be able to participate in them. And without them, elections will never be legitimate.  During the war, it is suicidal to start the election race, tearing the country into political camps. Now, more than ever, we need unity and stability,” said Tymoshenko, who opposes Zelenskyy’s idea of offering the West access to Ukraine’s vast reserves of critical minerals.

Yulia Tymoshenko is one of the names batted around as a potential challenger to Zelensky.  She ain't going to play along with that nonsense.

Here's why:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Tymoshenko

Russia puts former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko on its wanted list

https://apnews.com/article/russia-tymoshenko-wanted-list-ukraine-a222c691884ac1d0f4a999ca6baf2169
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2021 on: February 21, 2025, 05:53:43 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 20, 2025, 12:35:33 pm
From day 1, he has been vague and ambiguous of the cornucopia of funds we have provided.  I support the Uke troops, but there was a lot of anecdotal info. floating around that a good deal of that has been diverted for other purposes.  The picture of his wife shopping in Paris during the first Christmas after the war started, irked me too.   Then add the point that his biggest allies here were Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi?

Yeah I'd say I am not a fan.   And I hope DOGE might put the light to what went where too.
Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi controlled aid, in any form that Ukraine would get. I have little doubt they controlled how much of that was siphoned off, and where it went to. Yeah, they're on my All American Fecal Roster, near the top, with stars. But the question is simply, what's a mutha to do? Zelenskey desperately needed aid, and they were the best store in town. WHich means the terms may not have been great (as in a lot got siphoned off right here in America), but those were the only way he and Ukraine could fight back.

If Zelenskey is making bank off of corruption, well, out that, and deal with it.

But at least see where and to what/whom the money went first. My bet is that the lion's share never left the USA, except to be stashed in offshore accounts by folks from here.
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #2022 on: February 21, 2025, 06:06:20 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 20, 2025, 01:55:05 pm
We have been lied to by the likes of Newsweek, MSNBC, CNN, etc.  You believe the MSM at their word?

Especially with the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden so cozy with the Z's?
Would these three: Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden EVER turn down such an opportunity to ram billions of dollars around with little accounting with a desperate recipient who might agree to virtually any 'commission' in ordeer to get what is left? If you need help, you go to the people who CAN provide it, even if the skim the hell out of what they claim they are giving you. Do you say,
"Thank you, can I have some more? ", even if it is being painfully ripped off, or do you shout and raise hell and go to people not in a position to help you at all?

Damned if you do, conquered if you don't!

I would like to see DOGE account for where, what, and to whom the 'aid' actually went before I'd write off Zelenskey as being as corrupt as the people he had to deal with.
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« Reply #2023 on: February 21, 2025, 07:48:55 am »
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The death of Yevgeny Bogdanov is the latest killing of a pro-Russian figure during the Ukrainian war.

Hopefully not the last.

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« Reply #2024 on: February 21, 2025, 08:42:40 am »
Ukraine Could be Offered Automatic NATO Membership if Russia Welches on Peace Deal: Report

Ukraine NATO membership could play role of both carrot and stick to encourage more civilised behaviour from Russia, report claims.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/02/21/ukraine-could-be-offered-automatic-nato-membership-if-russia-welches-on-peace-deal-report/
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« Reply #2026 on: February 21, 2025, 09:22:11 am »

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1892940740172386384


Amazing accuracy. I wonder how target location information is passed from ISR drones to mortar crews.

My guess is that UKF mortar crews have a ballistic calculator that uses current location GPS coords and target GPS coords as inputs and calculates heading and elevation of the mortar.
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« Reply #2035 on: February 21, 2025, 02:43:41 pm »
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Rubio:  I read two days later he's saying he rejected the deal. That's not what happened in that meeting. We're trying to help these guys. Ukraine doesn't directly impact the daily lives of Americans, there should be some gratitude here.

What was said in that meeting does not match up with what Trump said two days later.
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« Reply #2036 on: February 21, 2025, 03:03:45 pm »
And here all along I thought Trump "just wanted the killing to stop".....

So I guess its actually;  "forget about right and wrong, what is in it for me?"

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« Reply #2037 on: February 21, 2025, 03:05:41 pm »
Peace in Our Time.
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« Reply #2038 on: February 21, 2025, 03:56:10 pm »
North Korea’s Special Missile Vehicles Roll Into Battle

The Bulsae-4s have hit Ukrainian positions in Kursk.

David Axe  |  Feb 20, 2025  |  05:02pm EST


A reported Bulsae-4 strike on a Ukrainian vehicle.Via Moklasen

North Korean troops are back in action in western Russia’s Kursk Oblast—attacking on foot with fresh tactics and targeting Ukrainian vehicles with their unique Bulsae-4 mobile missile launchers.

“The military contingent of the Korean People’s Army has returned to the operational zone,” the Ukrainian Center for Defense Strategies reported.

Where before, the North Koreans mostly attacked on foot in companies—100 or 200 troops—they’re now launching assaults in platoon groups of 50, according to CDS. The smaller assault groups may help the North Koreans avoid detection by Ukrainian drones—and could mitigate mass casualties in the event the Ukrainians do detect them.

The Ukrainian 47th Mechanized Brigade has been lobbing cluster shells at Russian and North Korean assault groups in Kursk. Each shell scatters as many as 88 grenade-sized submunitions, and can kill and maim infantry across a wide area. Cluster shells have defeated several North Korean attacks in Kursk—including one of the first, in December.

According to Army T.V., the official channel of the Ukrainian armed forces, it’s standard practice for Ukrainian units, including the 47th Mechanized Brigade, to fire a cluster shell at any large concentration of enemy troops—and to follow up  .  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/02/20/north-koreas-unique-missile-vehicles-roll-into-action-as-pyongyangs-platoons-rejoin-the-war-on-ukraine/
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« Reply #2039 on: February 21, 2025, 04:00:11 pm »
Kellogg Calls Zelenskyy “Courageous Leader” After Meeting on Security and Investment

Lucile Brizard  |  Feb 21, 2025  |  16:38


On February 20, 2025, in Kyiv, President Zelenskyy and U.S. Special Envoy Keith Kellogg shake hands during their meeting. (Source: Getty Images)

Trump’s special representative, Kellogg, issued a statement on X on February 21, following his meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

He described the day as “long and rich,” noting that it included “broad and positive discussions” with the Ukrainian president and his national security team. Kellogg also referred to Zelenskyy as “a courageous leader of a nation at war.”

Earlier on February 20, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, after meeting with U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine Keith Kellogg, reaffirmed Ukraine’s commitment to a comprehensive agreement with the U.S. on security and investment.

https://united24media.com/latest-news/kellogg-calls-zelenskyy-courageous-leader-after-meeting-on-security-and-investment-6112

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« Reply #2040 on: February 21, 2025, 04:04:00 pm »
Trump to abandon Russia war crimes prosecution

Washington signals end to pursuit of Putin as third anniversary of Ukraine invasion looms

Joe Barnes  |  21 February 2025  |  6:02pm GMT


Firefighters stand in the remains of an apartment block in Kharkiv following Russian missile strike in 2022 Credit: Sergey Bobok/AFP

The US has signalled that it could leave an international effort to prosecute Russia for invading Ukraine, The Telegraph can reveal.

US envoys refused to label Russia as an “aggressor” at a meeting of a “core group” of countries preparing a Nuremberg-style tribunal to try Vladimir Putin for his war crimes, according to Western officials.

Washington is similarly refusing to co-sponsor a United Nations statement that supports Ukraine’s territorial integrity and demands Moscow to withdraw its forces from the war-torn nation.

Mr Trump’s administration has also refused to sign off a planned G7 statement calling Russia the “aggressor” in the war with Ukraine to mark the third anniversary of the conflict on Monday.

The US president has blamed Ukraine for starting the war, branded Volodymyr Zelensky a “dictator” and pushed for Russia to be invited back to the alliance of industrialised nations.

European officials fear Mr Trump’s flattery of Putin could lead to the Russian despot being let off the hook for his invasion as part of any peace settlement.  .  .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/02/21/donald-trump-us-putin-zelensky-ukraine-russia-war-tribunal/
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« Reply #2041 on: February 21, 2025, 04:35:32 pm »
Trump has my head spinning. For the life of me, I cannot figure out what he is doing with Ukraine.

He must know something that I do not know. Or maybe he is trying to force Europe to finally stand on their own feet? Trump has made it clear that the U.S. is tapping out. So if Europe is as worried as they say they are about Putin, it will be up to them to join the fight.

Who in their right mind could ever say that Russia is NOT the aggressor. That is pure CRAZY talk.

Trump is a very smart guy. I know he has something in mind. But whatever it is, it is over my head. I cannot understand it.
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« Reply #2042 on: February 21, 2025, 04:55:41 pm »
Quote from: 240B on February 21, 2025, 04:35:32 pm
Trump has my head spinning. For the life of me, I cannot figure out what he is doing with Ukraine.

He must know something that I do not know. Or maybe he is trying to force Europe to finally stand on their own feet? Trump has made it clear that the U.S. is tapping out. So if Europe is as worried as they say they are about Putin, it will be up to them to join the fight.

Who in their right mind could ever say that Russia is NOT the aggressor. That is pure CRAZY talk.

Trump is a very smart guy. I know he has something in mind. But whatever it is, it is over my head. I cannot understand it.

I'm holding back judgment on Trump.  My guess is that he's stirring the pot, throwing mud all over the place to see where it sticks.  He's definitely moved the rest of Europe closer to Ukraine.  And he's rallied the Ukrainian people around Zelenskiy.  He's also learned that Zelenskiy is not willing to sell out his country's future for financial gain.

The American President has the power to deliver defeat to Russia.  Biden certainly wasn't willing to do it.  We'll see what Trump decides, especially regarding oil, gas, and Iranian sanctions.

But even with Trump's outrageous statements, one thing is clear.  No matter what he says, his sycophants will jump on board.  Trump could start sending cash to Putin, and his most devoted followers would be defending it.
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« Reply #2043 on: February 21, 2025, 05:42:10 pm »
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« Reply #2044 on: February 22, 2025, 12:43:29 am »
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« Reply #2045 on: February 22, 2025, 12:44:43 am »
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« Reply #2046 on: February 22, 2025, 12:45:22 am »
Putin probable threatened Trump with nukes and Trump folded.... he doesn't want anything to do with real war.
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« Reply #2047 on: February 22, 2025, 12:47:21 am »
Actual military hardware going to Ukraine, instead of cash going to USAID.


https://twitter.com/Apex_WW/status/1893090081558167858
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« Reply #2048 on: February 22, 2025, 12:48:36 am »
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« Reply #2049 on: February 22, 2025, 12:49:32 am »
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