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« Reply #1950 on: February 19, 2025, 12:16:33 pm »
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Kherson is battling Russian FPVs on the streets. The 414th Strike UAV Brigade "Birds of Magyar" is tackling the threat with radio-electronic reconnaissance and countermeasures. 🇺🇦

We have all seen Ukraine using FPV drones to attack Russian soldiers and equipment (i.e. military targets).  For many many months now, Russian drone operators have been conducting those same operations against Kherson civilians, striking pedestrians and civilian vehicles navigating downtown streets.  Russians armed with military equipment killing 'khokhol' civilians for sport.

Reminds me of Adolf Eichmann when he was captured.  He was asked how he could have ordered all those atrocities.  His response?  "But they were Jews".  Those same words fall off the lips of a huge portion of the Russian population.  'How could you have massacred civilians and leveled entire cities in that manner?"  Their response?  "But they were Khokhols."

"Never again" once meant something.
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« Reply #1951 on: February 19, 2025, 12:20:12 pm »
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‘Russia wants to do something. They want to stop the savage barbarianism,’ Trump said,

They can start today by ending their war on Ukrainian civilians and pulling all of their troops out of Ukraine.
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« Reply #1952 on: February 19, 2025, 02:08:36 pm »
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They can start today by ending their war on Ukrainian civilians and pulling all of their troops out of Ukraine.

They won't. The Russian barbarians won't settle for anything less than total victory. They can't. They're just too far into this war of theirs to quit now.

But what they are hoping for is to separate the USA from NATO and Europe.

So far Trump and his team seem to be heading this way.
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« Reply #1953 on: February 19, 2025, 02:10:02 pm »
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I just read in a foreign press report that North Koreans fighting for Russia in Ukraine think they are fighting their decades long enemies the South Koreans.
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« Reply #1954 on: February 19, 2025, 04:36:51 pm »
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I just read in a foreign press report that North Koreans fighting for Russia in Ukraine think they are fighting their decades long enemies the South Koreans.

No different than the Russians thinking they are fighting Nazis.
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« Reply #1955 on: February 19, 2025, 06:46:43 pm »
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« Reply #1956 on: February 19, 2025, 07:49:12 pm »
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« Reply #1957 on: February 19, 2025, 07:52:54 pm »
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« Reply #1958 on: February 19, 2025, 07:59:04 pm »
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« Reply #1959 on: February 19, 2025, 08:09:39 pm »
'Russia won't stop until it takes everything': What Ukrainians want Trump to know

Ukrainians have expressed shock, upset and a deep sense of betrayal as Russia and the United States met for bilateral talks without Kyiv on the future of their country

Finbarr Toesland  |  February 19, 2025  |  6:00 am (Updated 3:54 pm)

KYIV – Ukrainians have expressed shock and a deep sense of betrayal as Russia and the United States met for bilateral talks on ending the war that excluded representatives from Kyiv.

Despite criticism from European and Ukrainian leaders, Russian and US officials met in Saudi Arabia for high-level peace talks after Donald Trump held a phone call last week with Vladimir Putin.

After four and a half hours on Tuesday, diplomats from both countries confirmed that first steps would be taken to normalise relations between them.

The Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, has repeatedly said Ukraine will not accept any deal negotiated without its involvement.

Alyona Kara was 13 when Russia occupied and annexed Crimea from Ukraine in February 2014. Now 24, she says she has learned that no agreements with Russia are possible.

“Their words mean nothing because they never keep their promises,” says the communications specialist who has lived in Kyiv, the capital, since 2018. “I don’t believe in a long-term ceasefire. Russia will do everything to try to take over all of Ukraine again. They won’t stop.”

Born and raised in the south-eastern Ukrainian port city of Berdiansk, which has been occupied by Russia since soon after the full-scale invasion in February 2022, Kara believes that not including Ukraine in these talks gives the impression the country has no choice and must agree to any ceasefire plan.

“I feel very angry. As a country, we’re making huge efforts and fighting with our lives against Russian aggression. The ‘art of the deal’ in talks with Russia is to point weapons at them. Period.

“Russia won’t stop until they take everything. I believe our government understands this too and won’t agree to any talks held without us,” says Kara.  .  .  .

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/russia-wont-stop-takes-everything-ukrainians-trump-know-3541511
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« Reply #1960 on: February 19, 2025, 08:10:09 pm »
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« Reply #1961 on: February 19, 2025, 08:11:21 pm »
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« Reply #1962 on: February 19, 2025, 10:15:00 pm »
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« Reply #1963 on: February 19, 2025, 10:17:05 pm »
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« Reply #1964 on: February 19, 2025, 10:17:46 pm »
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« Reply #1965 on: February 19, 2025, 10:18:45 pm »
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« Reply #1966 on: February 19, 2025, 10:22:16 pm »
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« Reply #1967 on: February 19, 2025, 10:31:58 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1968 on: February 20, 2025, 04:21:18 am »
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The ugly truth is that America in general, and MAGA in particular, is so rotten and self-absorbed that it doesn't care any more, and is willfully ignoring the lessons of World War II.  There will be terrible consequences in the future.
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« Reply #1969 on: February 20, 2025, 05:31:35 am »
Well, Putin is many negative things, but one thing he is not, he and his nation are not Adolph Hitler and the Nazis.  Russia has proven to be a paper tiger.  They thought, or Putin and his leadership thought that Ukraine would lay down like Poland did and surrender in a couple weeks time against Hitler.

Now this war has been running for three years, Russia has experienced almost 900,000 casualties, and expended large amounts of their military equipment for a war that is going no where.  Putin is in no position to attack any other nation.  That is a falsehood.  Fact is, his country is on the verge of another economic collapse similar to 1991.  He is already not paying many that he promised to pay to go to war, pay them big dollars, and they are being killed before they got their money, and now will never get it.   He is using mercenaries from where ever he can get them, he is using North Koreans, and these folks are being fed into a true meatgrinder.

Putin is sitting right now with a chunk of his country under Ukrainian control, something that Ukraine did with a mere thousand man force.  Not since Hitler has that happened to Russia.  Putin is a total joke, and why the president of the USA wants to make nice to this clown is a mystery.

If Trump continues down this path, it will be the  Republicans that lead the charge to impeach this man.  And they may just do that to have Vance in the next two years versus Jeffries in February, 2027 when the Dems impeach him and Vance and install their Speaker, Jeffries. 

Oh yes, I can see the darkness that might just be ahead for this nation.  Trump is creating a country where instability is becoming a daily thing, much like what Bush did during the years subsequent to 9/11.  Instability for 7.5 years led to Obama.  Just a friendly reminder of past history.

And I am sure all of you have fond memories of that clown!!!
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« Reply #1970 on: February 20, 2025, 06:59:23 am »
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The ugly truth is that America in general, and MAGA in particular, is so rotten and self-absorbed that it doesn't care any more, and is willfully ignoring the lessons of World War II.  There will be terrible consequences in the future.

You should finish your coffee, go out in front of your house...to the middle of the street.

Look both ways and then GFY!
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« Reply #1971 on: February 20, 2025, 07:09:09 am »
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You should finish your coffee, go out in front of your house...to the middle of the street.

Look both ways and then GFY!

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1972 on: February 20, 2025, 10:02:23 am »
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The ugly truth is that America in general, and MAGA in particular, is so rotten and self-absorbed that it doesn't care any more, and is willfully ignoring the lessons of World War II.  There will be terrible consequences in the future.

I hate to agree but you're right. While I absolutely support America First I utterly oppose America Alone because EVERY SINGLE TIME we've tried it we ended up in the middle of war and young men suffered and died.

The price of isolationism is always blood and treausre.

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1973 on: February 20, 2025, 10:33:00 am »
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The ugly truth is that America in general, and MAGA in particular, is so rotten and self-absorbed that it doesn't care any more, and is willfully ignoring the lessons of World War II. 

This  pointing-up  is more proof stupid should hurt.
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« Reply #1974 on: February 20, 2025, 10:46:10 am »
When in doubt, I default to this photo....



Love and rooting for the Uke army.  But....Zelinsky is a POS, and his corrupt self can go F himself
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« Reply #1975 on: February 20, 2025, 11:05:22 am »
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This  pointing-up  is more proof stupid should hurt.

 *look*  :bs::pootrump:
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« Reply #1976 on: February 20, 2025, 11:43:19 am »
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« Reply #1978 on: February 20, 2025, 12:28:57 pm »
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But....Zelinsky is a POS, and his corrupt self can go F himself

I am curious as to how you came by this impression of Zelensky?
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« Reply #1979 on: February 20, 2025, 12:35:33 pm »
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I am curious as to how you came by this impression of Zelensky?

From day 1, he has been vague and ambiguous of the cornucopia of funds we have provided.  I support the Uke troops, but there was a lot of anecdotal info. floating around that a good deal of that has been diverted for other purposes.  The picture of his wife shopping in Paris during the first Christmas after the war started, irked me too.   Then add the point that his biggest allies here were Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi?

Yeah I'd say I am not a fan.   And I hope DOGE might put the light to what went where too.
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« Reply #1980 on: February 20, 2025, 12:40:25 pm »
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From day 1, he has been vague and ambiguous of the cornucopia of funds we have provided.  I support the Uke troops, but there was a lot of anecdotal info. floating around that a good deal of that has been diverted for other purposes.  The picture of his wife shopping in Paris during the first Christmas after the war started, irked me too.   Then add the point that his biggest allies here were Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi?

Yeah I'd say I am not a fan.   And I hope DOGE might put the light to what went where too.

95% of the funds 'appropriated for Ukraine' never left the USA. Some of it went to crap totally unrelated to Ukraine. How is Z supposed to take responsibility for the usual corruption in Congress?

As to his wife shopping in Paris...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2024/07/02/social-media-posts-claim-zelenskys-wife-spent-millions-on-bugatti-sportscar/

I share your hope that DOGE can expose the graft that was built into Ukraine relief by both Democrats AND Republicans.
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« Reply #1981 on: February 20, 2025, 12:46:47 pm »
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95% of the funds 'appropriated for Ukraine' never left the USA. Some of it went to crap totally unrelated to Ukraine. How is Z supposed to take responsibility for the usual corruption in Congress?

As to his wife shopping in Paris...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2024/07/02/social-media-posts-claim-zelenskys-wife-spent-millions-on-bugatti-sportscar/

I share your hope that DOGE can expose the graft that was built into Ukraine relief by both Democrats AND Republicans.

She might not bought a sports car, but the pics of her with shopping bags in Paris are valid.

5% to the Ukes?  That's speculation.  Let's let Elon get to the bottom of the numbers.
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« Reply #1982 on: February 20, 2025, 12:55:35 pm »
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She might not bought a sports car, but the pics of her with shopping bags in Paris are valid.

5% to the Ukes?  That's speculation.  Let's let Elon get to the bottom of the numbers.

The 5% figure is very well documented in this topic by both myself and others.

Also, who the hell goes to Paris without shopping? I'm not rich but I'd definitely buy a couple things before hitting a cafe.
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« Reply #1983 on: February 20, 2025, 12:58:34 pm »
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The 5% figure is very well documented in this topic by both myself and others.

Also, who the hell goes to Paris without shopping? I'm not rich but I'd definitely buy a couple things before hitting a cafe.

Well documented?  We'll see. 

With Ukes dying in the trenches, she's shopping in Paris.  Great optics there wouldn't you say?  /s
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« Reply #1984 on: February 20, 2025, 01:05:04 pm »
Until Ukraine establishes air supremacy, it will not be able re-conquer occupied territory.

I admire the Ukrainians innovative use of drones.

Maybe the best thing the Ukrainians can do is to napalm the Russian positions.  Fire not only burns, but it also suffocates.  There's nothng to lose.  The Russians have reduced much of their occupied territory to wasteland.

The West still needs to conduct spycraft in BelaRus and Transnistria.
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« Reply #1985 on: February 20, 2025, 01:13:01 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 20, 2025, 12:58:34 pm
Well documented?  We'll see. 

With Ukes dying in the trenches, she's shopping in Paris.  Great optics there wouldn't you say?  /s

People all over the USA are enduring the painful aftermath of disaster and Melania is wearing a new designer dress every day. Should she wear sack cloth instead?
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« Reply #1986 on: February 20, 2025, 01:25:22 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 20, 2025, 01:13:01 pm
People all over the USA are enduring the painful aftermath of disaster and Melania is wearing a new designer dress every day. Should she wear sack cloth instead?

Is Melania traveling the world begging for money from other countries to save the US?
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« Reply #1987 on: February 20, 2025, 01:29:39 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on February 20, 2025, 01:25:22 pm
Is Melania traveling the world begging for money from other countries to save the US?

It wouldn't hurt.
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« Reply #1988 on: February 20, 2025, 01:29:49 pm »
Melania can salvage this public relations tussle by auctioning off her worn dresses for charity ... The Trump Foundation for Widows, Waifs, and Orphans, perhaps?
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« Reply #1989 on: February 20, 2025, 01:33:06 pm »
@catfish1957  and @Right_in_Virginia

During World War Two and on the eve of the Battle of the Bulge General Patton went shopping in Paris. He engaged some designers and design shops. Should he have not done this and instead worried about optics?
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« Reply #1990 on: February 20, 2025, 01:36:47 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 20, 2025, 12:58:34 pm
Well documented?  We'll see. 

With Ukes dying in the trenches, she's shopping in Paris.  Great optics there wouldn't you say?  /s

Does the truth matter at all anymore?

https://www.newsweek.com/zelenska-zelensky-ukraine-russia-paris-france-shopping-spree-1768736

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« Reply #1991 on: February 20, 2025, 01:41:26 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 20, 2025, 01:33:06 pm
@catfish1957  and @Right_in_Virginia

During World War Two and on the eve of the Battle of the Bulge General Patton went shopping in Paris. He engaged some designers and design shops. Should he have not done this and instead worried about optics?

 :boring:
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« Reply #1992 on: February 20, 2025, 01:47:44 pm »
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« Reply #1993 on: February 20, 2025, 01:55:05 pm »
Quote from: DB on February 20, 2025, 01:36:47 pm
Does the truth matter at all anymore?

https://www.newsweek.com/zelenska-zelensky-ukraine-russia-paris-france-shopping-spree-1768736

We have been lied to by the likes of Newsweek, MSNBC, CNN, etc.  You believe the MSM at their word?

Especially with the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden so cozy with the Z's?
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« Reply #1994 on: February 20, 2025, 01:57:37 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 20, 2025, 01:13:01 pm
People all over the USA are enduring the painful aftermath of disaster and Melania is wearing a new designer dress every day. Should she wear sack cloth instead?

Big difference in spot national disasters versus when a vast percentage of your countrymen are suffering. 
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« Reply #1995 on: February 20, 2025, 01:59:53 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 20, 2025, 01:55:05 pm
We have been lied to by the likes of Newsweek, MSNBC, CNN, etc.  You believe the MSM at their word?

Okay, where are you getting your info and why do you trust those sources?
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« Reply #1996 on: February 20, 2025, 02:02:24 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on February 20, 2025, 01:47:44 pm
Silly.

We're $36 trillion in debt. I was being serious.
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« Reply #1997 on: February 20, 2025, 02:08:02 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 20, 2025, 01:59:53 pm
Okay, where are you getting your info and why do you trust those sources?

I am a news junky.  That list is too large and variable write down.
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« Reply #1998 on: February 20, 2025, 02:11:18 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 20, 2025, 01:55:05 pm
We have been lied to by the likes of Newsweek, MSNBC, CNN, etc.  You believe the MSM at their word?

Especially with the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden so cozy with the Z's?

It provides the sources if you dare read it. Your source is what exactly??? Your source is an unsourced claim of "a clerk that works in the store" that she supposedly shopped at.

So in short, you want to believe what you want to believe to justify getting out of Dodge, no actual evidence required while there are very real consequences for millions of lives at stake.

What the hell.

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« Reply #1999 on: February 20, 2025, 02:12:40 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 20, 2025, 02:08:02 pm
I am a news junky.  That list is too large and variable write down.

Yet your sources boil down to the source listed in the Newsweek article I provided you.
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