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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1852 on: February 16, 2025, 03:39:09 pm »

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« Reply #1853 on: February 16, 2025, 03:40:02 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 5
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1855 on: February 16, 2025, 07:25:31 pm »

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1891231715487555966

Russian monitoring channels report that Ukrainian drones are attacking the Afipsky Oil Refinery and the Ilsky Oil Refinery in Krasnodar Krai. But refineries were subject to attacks previously.

And Ukraine is wrecking the repairs! Well played!  :silly:
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1858 on: February 16, 2025, 11:03:46 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1859 on: February 17, 2025, 12:02:11 am »
Why on earth is Trump not letting the Europeans in at the negotiating table???

They are supplying a lot of resources and it is at their backdoor. Seems very unwise.

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1860 on: February 17, 2025, 03:58:01 am »
Why on earth is Trump not letting the Europeans in at the negotiating table???

They are supplying a lot of resources and it is at their backdoor. Seems very unwise.

Well like I said in another thread, it reeks of Neville Chamberlain making his own deal with Hitler and Mussolini in Munich in 1938.  And we all know how that ended (I hope).

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1861 on: February 17, 2025, 04:08:05 am »
Trump Responds to GOP Chair of Armed Services Committee Calling Hegseth’s Speech a ‘Rookie Mistake’

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-responds-to-gop-chair-of-armed-services-committee-calling-hegseths-speech-a-rookie-mistake/

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President Donald Trump was asked by a reporter Friday about Sen. Roger Wicker’s (R-MS) comments criticizing Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth’s speech about Ukraine as a “rookie mistake,” and replied he had not heard about it.

Hegseth’s remarks at the Ukraine Defense Contact Group in Brussels Wednesday — his first visit to NATO headquarters — raised eyebrows when he said that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO or return to its borders before the Russian invasion. These comments were criticized for yielding key negotiation points before the talks had even begun, and Hegseth soon walked them back.

Wicker, who chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee, shepherded the confirmation hearings for Hegseth’s nomination to lead DOD. He was asked about the new Defense Secretary’s comments at the Munich Security Conference. The Mississippi senator replied that he was “surprised” by Hegseth’s remarks.

Hegseth “made a rookie mistake in Brussels,” said Wicker. “I don’t know who wrote the speech — it is the kind of thing Tucker Carlson could have written, and Carlson is a fool,” referring to the former Fox News host who has frequently bashed U.S. support for Ukraine and made fawning comments and conducted flattering interviews of Vladimir Putin.

“I prefer we didn’t give away negotiating positions before we actually get started talking about the end of the Russia-Ukraine war,” Wicker added.

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Trump was asked about Wicker’s comments Friday as reporters were gathered in the Oval Office as he signed executive orders.

Wicker “had some tough words for him overseas,” said the reporter. “He said it was a ‘rookie mistake’ for Secretary Hegseth to outline what would or would not happen as far as Ukraine’s membership in NATO goes –”

I haven’t heard that,” Trump interjected. “I mean, Roger’s a very good friend of mine. And, uh, Pete is obviously — he’s been doing a great job. I haven’t heard — let me look at — you’re telling me something I haven’t heard about.”

“Were you aware of what Hegseth was going to say in his speech at NATO?” the reporter asked.

“Generally speaking, yeah,” replied Trump. “Generally speaking, I was. I’ll speak to Roger. I’ll speak to Pete. I’ll find out.”
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1862 on: February 17, 2025, 07:13:00 am »
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PM 'ready' to put troops on ground in Ukraine to protect peace
BBC, Feb 17, 2025

Sir Keir Starmer has said he is "ready and willing" to put UK troops on the ground in Ukraine to help guarantee its security as part of a peace deal.

The UK prime minister said securing a lasting peace in Ukraine was "essential if we are to deter Putin from further aggression in the future".

Ahead of an emergency summit with European leaders in Paris on Monday, Sir Keir said the UK was prepared to contribute to security guarantees to Ukraine by "putting our own troops on the ground if necessary".

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Sir Keir added: "But any role in helping to guarantee Ukraine's security is helping to guarantee the security of our continent, and the security of this country."

This means UK troops could be deployed alongside soldiers from other European nations alongside the border between Ukrainian-held and Russian-held territory.

Sir Keir has previously only hinted that British troops could be involved in safeguarding Ukraine after a ceasefire.

More: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gxgxl3grgo

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1863 on: February 17, 2025, 07:35:00 am »

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1864 on: February 17, 2025, 07:39:30 am »
Or maybe Sweden and Western Europe rightfully fears the Russians, based on their chronic aggression and bad behavior?
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1865 on: February 17, 2025, 09:00:26 am »
Or maybe Sweden and Western Europe rightfully fears the Russians, based on their chronic aggression and bad behavior?
I see it this way.In the event of peace, Ukraine will need to be rebuilt. Much of Europe went through that just 70 or so years ago. Soviet aggression in Europe was well known, and not that long ago, overcome. Of course, Europe doesn't want a repeat of the devastation of WWII or the Iron Curtain days. Stop it in Ukraine, form a coalition broad and deep enough to draw the line in a meaningful way. By leaving Europe out of the loop, Trump may well be fostering this development, forcing Europe to rally to its own defense (and pay for it).
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1866 on: February 17, 2025, 09:32:29 am »

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1891445991489859726


I do not know the condition of these jets.

As a minimum, they can be used for spare parts and then used as decoys.

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« Reply #1869 on: February 17, 2025, 09:45:12 am »
Or maybe Sweden and Western Europe rightfully fears the Russians, based on their chronic aggression and bad behavior?
With NATO & EU troops on the ground, UKF can continue to destroy ruzzia's energy infrastructure and overall economy.

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« Reply #1871 on: February 17, 2025, 10:21:32 am »
RUSSIA MUST BE DESTROYED!!!  22222frying pan
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« Reply #1873 on: February 17, 2025, 11:37:10 am »
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« Reply #1874 on: February 17, 2025, 11:38:16 am »
Europe should provide all the weapons and money, too.

And Russia should get the hell out of Ukraine.
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