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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1850 on: February 16, 2025, 03:38:08 pm »
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« Reply #1851 on: February 16, 2025, 03:38:50 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1852 on: February 16, 2025, 03:39:09 pm »
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« Reply #1853 on: February 16, 2025, 03:40:02 pm »
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« Reply #1854 on: February 16, 2025, 04:31:51 pm »
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« Reply #1855 on: February 16, 2025, 07:25:31 pm »
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1891231715487555966

Russian monitoring channels report that Ukrainian drones are attacking the Afipsky Oil Refinery and the Ilsky Oil Refinery in Krasnodar Krai. But refineries were subject to attacks previously.

And Ukraine is wrecking the repairs! Well played!  :silly:
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« Reply #1856 on: February 16, 2025, 10:56:58 pm »
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« Reply #1857 on: February 16, 2025, 11:01:09 pm »
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« Reply #1858 on: February 16, 2025, 11:03:46 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1859 on: February 17, 2025, 12:02:11 am »
Why on earth is Trump not letting the Europeans in at the negotiating table???

They are supplying a lot of resources and it is at their backdoor. Seems very unwise.
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1860 on: February 17, 2025, 03:58:01 am »
Quote from: DB on February 17, 2025, 12:02:11 am
Why on earth is Trump not letting the Europeans in at the negotiating table???

They are supplying a lot of resources and it is at their backdoor. Seems very unwise.

Well like I said in another thread, it reeks of Neville Chamberlain making his own deal with Hitler and Mussolini in Munich in 1938.  And we all know how that ended (I hope).

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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1861 on: February 17, 2025, 04:08:05 am »
Trump Responds to GOP Chair of Armed Services Committee Calling Hegseth’s Speech a ‘Rookie Mistake’

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-responds-to-gop-chair-of-armed-services-committee-calling-hegseths-speech-a-rookie-mistake/

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President Donald Trump was asked by a reporter Friday about Sen. Roger Wicker’s (R-MS) comments criticizing Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth’s speech about Ukraine as a “rookie mistake,” and replied he had not heard about it.

Hegseth’s remarks at the Ukraine Defense Contact Group in Brussels Wednesday — his first visit to NATO headquarters — raised eyebrows when he said that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO or return to its borders before the Russian invasion. These comments were criticized for yielding key negotiation points before the talks had even begun, and Hegseth soon walked them back.

Wicker, who chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee, shepherded the confirmation hearings for Hegseth’s nomination to lead DOD. He was asked about the new Defense Secretary’s comments at the Munich Security Conference. The Mississippi senator replied that he was “surprised” by Hegseth’s remarks.

Hegseth “made a rookie mistake in Brussels,” said Wicker. “I don’t know who wrote the speech — it is the kind of thing Tucker Carlson could have written, and Carlson is a fool,” referring to the former Fox News host who has frequently bashed U.S. support for Ukraine and made fawning comments and conducted flattering interviews of Vladimir Putin.

“I prefer we didn’t give away negotiating positions before we actually get started talking about the end of the Russia-Ukraine war,” Wicker added.

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Trump was asked about Wicker’s comments Friday as reporters were gathered in the Oval Office as he signed executive orders.

Wicker “had some tough words for him overseas,” said the reporter. “He said it was a ‘rookie mistake’ for Secretary Hegseth to outline what would or would not happen as far as Ukraine’s membership in NATO goes –”

“I haven’t heard that,” Trump interjected. “I mean, Roger’s a very good friend of mine. And, uh, Pete is obviously — he’s been doing a great job. I haven’t heard — let me look at — you’re telling me something I haven’t heard about.”

“Were you aware of what Hegseth was going to say in his speech at NATO?” the reporter asked.

“Generally speaking, yeah,” replied Trump. “Generally speaking, I was. I’ll speak to Roger. I’ll speak to Pete. I’ll find out.”
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1862 on: February 17, 2025, 07:13:00 am »
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Sir Keir Starmer has said he is "ready and willing" to put UK troops on the ground in Ukraine to help guarantee its security as part of a peace deal.

The UK prime minister said securing a lasting peace in Ukraine was "essential if we are to deter Putin from further aggression in the future".

Ahead of an emergency summit with European leaders in Paris on Monday, Sir Keir said the UK was prepared to contribute to security guarantees to Ukraine by "putting our own troops on the ground if necessary".

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Sir Keir added: "But any role in helping to guarantee Ukraine's security is helping to guarantee the security of our continent, and the security of this country."

This means UK troops could be deployed alongside soldiers from other European nations alongside the border between Ukrainian-held and Russian-held territory.

Sir Keir has previously only hinted that British troops could be involved in safeguarding Ukraine after a ceasefire.

More: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gxgxl3grgo

Europe should provide all the weapons and money, too. 
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« Reply #1863 on: February 17, 2025, 07:35:00 am »
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1864 on: February 17, 2025, 07:39:30 am »
Or maybe Sweden and Western Europe rightfully fears the Russians, based on their chronic aggression and bad behavior?
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1865 on: February 17, 2025, 09:00:26 am »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on February 17, 2025, 07:39:30 am
Or maybe Sweden and Western Europe rightfully fears the Russians, based on their chronic aggression and bad behavior?
I see it this way.In the event of peace, Ukraine will need to be rebuilt. Much of Europe went through that just 70 or so years ago. Soviet aggression in Europe was well known, and not that long ago, overcome. Of course, Europe doesn't want a repeat of the devastation of WWII or the Iron Curtain days. Stop it in Ukraine, form a coalition broad and deep enough to draw the line in a meaningful way. By leaving Europe out of the loop, Trump may well be fostering this development, forcing Europe to rally to its own defense (and pay for it).
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« Reply #1866 on: February 17, 2025, 09:32:29 am »

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1891445991489859726


I do not know the condition of these jets.

As a minimum, they can be used for spare parts and then used as decoys.
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« Reply #1869 on: February 17, 2025, 09:45:12 am »
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Or maybe Sweden and Western Europe rightfully fears the Russians, based on their chronic aggression and bad behavior?
With NATO & EU troops on the ground, UKF can continue to destroy ruzzia's energy infrastructure and overall economy.
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« Reply #1870 on: February 17, 2025, 10:17:36 am »
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« Reply #1871 on: February 17, 2025, 10:21:32 am »
RUSSIA MUST BE DESTROYED!!!  22222frying pan
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« Reply #1872 on: February 17, 2025, 10:35:08 am »
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« Reply #1873 on: February 17, 2025, 11:37:10 am »
Quote from: FtrPilot on February 17, 2025, 10:17:36 am
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🎯💥 63rd Mechanized Brigade strike Russian BMP with a direct hit from 2S1 howitzer.

Darn lucky shot.
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1874 on: February 17, 2025, 11:38:16 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on February 17, 2025, 07:13:00 am
Europe should provide all the weapons and money, too.

And Russia should get the hell out of Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1875 on: February 17, 2025, 12:39:46 pm »
I am rooting for the Uke's too, but seeing all these thread 1-5, you would think the Russians would be losing their ass badly.  How about some unbiased approaches to the news there.

This thead comes across as propaganda.
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1876 on: February 17, 2025, 01:24:59 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 17, 2025, 12:39:46 pm
I am rooting for the Uke's too, but seeing all these thread 1-5, you would think the Russians would be losing their ass badly.  How about some unbiased approaches to the news there.

This thead comes across as propaganda.

It is all essentially war propaganda. We only see what they want us to see (all sides). Pick your poison.
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« Reply #1877 on: February 17, 2025, 01:31:07 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 17, 2025, 12:39:46 pm
I am rooting for the Uke's too, but seeing all these thread 1-5, you would think the Russians would be losing their ass badly.  How about some unbiased approaches to the news there.

This thead comes across as propaganda.

Were Russia as powerful as it was supposed to be then Ukraine should have been rolled up in seven to ten days like most people expected...including myself.

Turns out that Russia is not so mighty after all.

And the fact that here we are three years after Russia launched the second phase of their war to conquer Ukraine is not anti-Russian propaganda, it's proof that Russia is weak and unable to conquer Ukraine.

At this point Russia is unable to extricate themselves from this war. Putin cannot negotiate even a cease fire while Russian territory is in Ukrainian control and while Russia's war aims are not satisfied. The Russian people will start to wonder why Putin is negotiating with the West (globohomo) or with the Ukrainians (Nazis) and they'll start to ask what the hell near a million of their men died for.
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« Reply #1878 on: February 17, 2025, 01:41:20 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 17, 2025, 12:39:46 pm
I am rooting for the Uke's too, but seeing all these thread 1-5, you would think the Russians would be losing their ass badly.  How about some unbiased approaches to the news there.

This thead comes across as propaganda.

@catfish1957

You are free to post here.  You will find plenty of 'Russian propaganda' posted on threads 1 through 3.  But don't expect lies to go unchallenged from either side.  Especially the one about Russians being seen as "liberators and protectors" which one poster here still stands by.  My personal take is that the Russian propagandists grew tired of the embarrassment of having their claims disproven.  But that's just me.

It does sadden me that many such as yourself write off this thread as Ukrainian propaganda.  I go to a lot of trouble to consider the veracity of everything I post.  Each day, I run across many sources that are suspect, and purposely choose not to repost here.  I also make a point of including actual news articles that can be checked and referenced.  And I invite each and every one of the members here to challenge me or anything I post.  Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

This isn't about Putin or Zelenskiy.  It is about the fact that a European country has decided to end the existence of another via military force.  And I freely admit my personal bias to root for the underdog.  But even in that, I also include posts showing Ukrainian tactical mistakes and losses.  So if there is any source material out there that you believe will add 'legitimacy' to this thread, I will be happy to consider.  Thanks.
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1879 on: February 17, 2025, 01:48:08 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 17, 2025, 01:31:07 pm
At this point Russia is unable to extricate themselves from this war. Putin cannot negotiate even a cease fire while Russian territory is in Ukrainian control and while Russia's war aims are not satisfied.

There's an old saying, "You can't save your face and your ass at the same time."  This is where Putin is at right now.  So, in the mean time, 1500+ Russians and Ukrainians continue to die each and every day.  The only way I see an end to this war is if the Russian economy collapses.  The ruble is creeping upward over the last two weeks.  But the new sanctions against Russian fuel, China switching sides, and falling oil and gas prices combined with the continued innovations of the AFU could spell doom for Russia's war efforts.
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« Reply #1880 on: February 17, 2025, 03:08:38 pm »
Reported earlier.  The Soviet flags didn't work:


Russian Marines Flying Soviet Flags Paraded Right Into A Ukrainian Minefield In Kursk. Drones Finished Them Off.

Russian efforts to recapture Kursk Oblast are faltering.

David Axe  |  Feb 16, 2025  |  03:22pm EST


47th Mechanized Brigade capture

Confidently rolling toward Ukrainian lines in western Russia’s Kursk Oblast in up-armored vehicles brazenly flying the flag of the defunct Soviet Union, an assault group from the Russian 155th Naval Infantry Brigade paraded right into a minefield laid by the Ukrainian 47th Mechanized Brigade.

The results were predictable—and emblematic of Russia’s faltering counteroffensive in Kursk. The counteroffensive ramped up in early November, three months after a strong Ukrainian force invaded Kursk and carved what is now a 250-square-mile salient from the oblast.

“The Russians again went on an assault in Kursk against the 47th Brigade and its auxiliaries,” the brigade reported. “In a column of more than a dozen tanks and about a company of enemies”—around 100 troops—“they threw the ‘elite’ Russian 155th Marine Brigade with the flags of ‘victory’ into the assault.”

Mines blew up some of the Russian vehicles. Drones struck others and also hounded the dismounted infantry. One shell-shocked Russian crewman bailed out of his damaged vehicle, trudged a few steps through the snow, fell flat onto his back—and then exploded as a drone slammed into him.

“We are extinguishing all the enemy’s attempts to advance in Kursk,” the 47th Mechanized Brigade crowed.

It’s not for no reason Ukrainian forces take such glee in killing 155th Naval Infantry Brigade marines. On Oct. 13, the Russian brigade captured, stripped and executed nine Ukrainian drone operators in Kursk—a war crime that signaled escalating Russian brutality as the wider war on Ukraine ground toward its fourth year.

The 47th Mechanized Brigade has defeated at least two major Russian and North Korean assaults this month.  .  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/02/16/russian-marines-flying-soviet-flags-paraded-right-into-a-ukrainian-minefield-in-kursk-drones-finished-them-off/
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1881 on: February 17, 2025, 06:02:47 pm »
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@catfish1957

You are free to post here.  You will find plenty of 'Russian propaganda' posted on threads 1 through 3.  But don't expect lies to go unchallenged from either side.  Especially the one about Russians being seen as "liberators and protectors" which one poster here still stands by.  My personal take is that the Russian propagandists grew tired of the embarrassment of having their claims disproven.  But that's just me.

It does sadden me that many such as yourself write off this thread as Ukrainian propaganda.  I go to a lot of trouble to consider the veracity of everything I post.  Each day, I run across many sources that are suspect, and purposely choose not to repost here.  I also make a point of including actual news articles that can be checked and referenced.  And I invite each and every one of the members here to challenge me or anything I post.  Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

This isn't about Putin or Zelenskiy.  It is about the fact that a European country has decided to end the existence of another via military force.  And I freely admit my personal bias to root for the underdog.  But even in that, I also include posts showing Ukrainian tactical mistakes and losses.  So if there is any source material out there that you believe will add 'legitimacy' to this thread, I will be happy to consider.  Thanks.


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« Reply #1882 on: February 17, 2025, 07:03:27 pm »
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@catfish1957

You are free to post here.  You will find plenty of 'Russian propaganda' posted on threads 1 through 3.  But don't expect lies to go unchallenged from either side.  Especially the one about Russians being seen as "liberators and protectors" which one poster here still stands by.  My personal take is that the Russian propagandists grew tired of the embarrassment of having their claims disproven.  But that's just me.

It does sadden me that many such as yourself write off this thread as Ukrainian propaganda.  I go to a lot of trouble to consider the veracity of everything I post.  Each day, I run across many sources that are suspect, and purposely choose not to repost here.  I also make a point of including actual news articles that can be checked and referenced.  And I invite each and every one of the members here to challenge me or anything I post.  Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

This isn't about Putin or Zelenskiy.  It is about the fact that a European country has decided to end the existence of another via military force.  And I freely admit my personal bias to root for the underdog.  But even in that, I also include posts showing Ukrainian tactical mistakes and losses.  So if there is any source material out there that you believe will add 'legitimacy' to this thread, I will be happy to consider.  Thanks.

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« Reply #1883 on: February 17, 2025, 07:27:03 pm »
Quote from: berdie on February 17, 2025, 06:02:47 pm

You do a great job @Hoodat.

Thank you for your encouragement, @berdie .
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« Reply #1884 on: February 17, 2025, 08:47:23 pm »
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« Reply #1885 on: February 17, 2025, 09:05:58 pm »
Intercepted review – phone taps are a chilling glimpse into Russian soldiers’ minds in Ukraine

Recordings of fighters’ wiretapped phone calls are juxtaposed with images of wartime destruction in Oksana Karpovych’s compelling war documentary

Phil Hoad  |  17 Feb 2025  |  08.00 EST

Vietnam saw the advent of the visible war, documented by TV cameras; but the Russia-Ukraine war perhaps represents the moment we also get a fully audible one. With two relatively affluent belligerents involved, mobile phone coverage is ubiquitous on both the civilian and soldier sides. Juxtaposing intercepted calls back home from frontline Russian troops with shots of the devastation they have wreaked in Ukraine, this film is a bleak and searing wiretap into Putin’s warping effect on his people and the psychology of power.

“A Russian is not a Russian if they don’t steal something,” jokes one woman when she hears her brave boy has looted some makeup for her. Set against the shots of ransacked living rooms, wrecked petrol stations and dimly lit bomb shelters, such casual banter hammers home a chilling normalisation of imperialism and aggression – which comes with varying justifications. There is the standard dehumanisation: that the “khokhols” (a derogatory Russian term for Ukrainians) deserve it. Many parrot Putin’s line that the special military operation is fighting fascists. Or, in some troops’ amazement at Ukrainian ice-cream and abundant livestock, we glimpse an economic envy that lets such lies slip down more easily.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AFDAuo6CgM

There are dissenters, too. “Putin cares about the land, not the people,” points out one grunt. What is truly chilling is how the largely female listeners on the other end of the line are often more gung-ho than the soldiers. In one horrific segment, another combatant tells his mother about Federal Security Service officers torturing individuals. He confesses to participating in and enjoying this sadism. “If I got there too, I would enjoy it like you,” says Mum. “You and I, we are the same.” With Russian civilians here regularly condoning the murder of their Ukrainian counterparts, it shows how deeply Putin has cankered the body politic.  .  .

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/feb/17/intercepted-review-russian-soldiers-in-ukraine-oksana-karpovych
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1886 on: February 17, 2025, 09:49:38 pm »
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« Reply #1887 on: February 17, 2025, 09:52:14 pm »
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« Reply #1888 on: February 17, 2025, 09:56:50 pm »
Trump Envoy Says U.S. Will Not 'Impose' Deal on Ukraine

AFP  |  8 hours ago

U.S. envoy Keith Kellogg on Monday said that he would not tell Ukraine to accept whatever deal is negotiated by President Donald Trump to end Russia's war, ahead of a visit to Kyiv.

Kellogg is set to arrive in Ukraine on Wednesday for three days of talks that will include a meeting with President Volodymyr Zelensky.

His visit to Kyiv will come after top U.S. officials meet Russian negotiators in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday for the first time since Trump blindsided allies by agreeing to launch peace efforts with Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin.

Kellogg said U.S. officials were engaged in parallel efforts to bring Moscow and Kyiv to the negotiating table — with him spearheading the outreach to Ukraine.

Trump's envoy insisted that it would ultimately be up to Zelensky to decide if Ukraine accepts any deal that the U.S. leader brokers.

"The decision by Ukrainians is a Ukrainian decision," Kellogg told journalists after talks with U.S. allies at NATO headquarters in Brussels.

"Zelensky is the elected leader of a sovereign nation and those decisions are his and nobody will impose those on an elected leader of a sovereign nation," Kellogg said.  .  .

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/02/17/trump-envoy-says-us-will-not-impose-deal-on-ukraine-a88053
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Re: Ukraine 5
« Reply #1889 on: February 18, 2025, 12:05:49 am »
Old joke -

"The Russians have the second-best Army in Ukraine"

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« Reply #1890 on: February 18, 2025, 12:28:10 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on February 17, 2025, 01:41:20 pm
@catfish1957

You are free to post here.  You will find plenty of 'Russian propaganda' posted on threads 1 through 3.  But don't expect lies to go unchallenged from either side.  Especially the one about Russians being seen as "liberators and protectors" which one poster here still stands by.  My personal take is that the Russian propagandists grew tired of the embarrassment of having their claims disproven.  But that's just me.

It does sadden me that many such as yourself write off this thread as Ukrainian propaganda.  I go to a lot of trouble to consider the veracity of everything I post.  Each day, I run across many sources that are suspect, and purposely choose not to repost here.  I also make a point of including actual news articles that can be checked and referenced.  And I invite each and every one of the members here to challenge me or anything I post.  Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

This isn't about Putin or Zelenskiy.  It is about the fact that a European country has decided to end the existence of another via military force.  And I freely admit my personal bias to root for the underdog.  But even in that, I also include posts showing Ukrainian tactical mistakes and losses.  So if there is any source material out there that you believe will add 'legitimacy' to this thread, I will be happy to consider.  Thanks.

This was absolutely no diss on your efforts on this thread.  You put in a lot of effort to keep it up to date.  And like I said, I hope the Ukes win, and Putin is hanging from a tree after it is over.   I am just trying to parse through the fog, and try to get a gauge on trends, like who is really winning.  And that is important, since we are getting to the phase of negotiations, and the scorecard will really matter on how the cease fire is invoked, and what the terms are.    My observations was just that everything added to this thread seems to be a Ukrainian victory.

Guess its just my fault to think I'd get a true objective "news" here. 
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« Reply #1891 on: February 18, 2025, 12:36:43 am »
Quote from: Canuck Conservative on February 18, 2025, 12:05:49 am
Old joke -

"The Russians have the second-best Army in Ukraine"


New joke -

"The Russians have the second-best Army in Russia"
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« Reply #1892 on: February 18, 2025, 12:49:07 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 18, 2025, 12:28:10 am
My observations was just that everything added to this thread seems to be a Ukrainian victory.

Guess its just my fault to think I'd get a true objective "news" here.

Here's one about the Russians bridging the Oskil River:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,542783.msg3138324.html#msg3138324

I posted one a couple of weeks ago about Ukraine losing an entire company pushing an advance against Russian drones.  And this thread is chock full of Russian victories against Ukrainian civilian targets.  Here's one of those Russian victories:



Believe me, Russian victories such as the one above far outweigh those on the Ukrainian side.
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« Reply #1893 on: February 18, 2025, 01:14:21 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on February 18, 2025, 12:49:07 am
Here's one about the Russians bridging the Oskil River:  https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,542783.msg3138324.html#msg3138324

I posted one a couple of weeks ago about Ukraine losing an entire company pushing an advance against Russian drones.  And this thread is chock full of Russian victories against Ukrainian civilian targets.  Here's one of those Russian victories:



Believe me, Russian victories such as the one above far outweigh those on the Ukrainian side.

Didn't see that one....   Thanks...  Keep up the good work. 

You are prob. the best suited to guess the terms of the cease fire.  What do you think they are?

My spitballing on this?

1. Elections are held in the 3 eastern provinces.  If they vote pro-Russia, they will form their own sovereign country, that can be allied but not part of Russia.
2. Crimea is split East and West with a DMZ.
3. Russian non-agression treaty (perpetal)
4. Ukraine will not be allowed to joing NATO

This might seem like a tough swallow for Putin, but if he doesn't accept,  Trump will tell him:
1. Sanctions and tariffs invoked to strangle Russia internationally
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2. U.S, floods the oil market with a target of $40/bbl.  The Rouble is at an all time low at about one U.S, cent. Putin has to realize that if 1 and 2, take place, Putin won't have the funds or resources to even bring his troops back.

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« Reply #1894 on: February 18, 2025, 08:36:33 am »
The alternative is to let Russia collapse. It is well on its way. Iran was on its knees before Biden rescued them. I hope Trump doesn't do the same thing with Russia.
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« Reply #1895 on: February 18, 2025, 09:01:54 am »
Excerpt:
In a significant development that could reshape the geopolitical landscape of Eastern Europe, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, alongside National Security Advisor Mike Waltz and Special Envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff, met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, Aide to the President Yuri Ushakov, and notable Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev at Diriyah Palace in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The gathering marks a pivotal moment in U.S.-Russia relations under the Trump administration, focusing on crafting a peace plan for Ukraine that includes a contentious proposal: the holding of new elections in Ukraine.





That needs to happen. Zelensky was installed by a 2014 CIA and Obama Regime Color Revolution.  The people of Ukraine have a NWO Globalist Puppet as President. They used our tax dollars to do it!


May I remind people  Zelensky has been a dictator since he suspended elections in Ukraine? NOT DEMOCRACY

https://www.usasupreme.com/just-in-first-signals-out-of-riyadh-u-s-russia-peace-plan-includes-a-move-that-will-infuriate-zelensky/
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« Reply #1896 on: February 18, 2025, 09:06:43 am »
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« Reply #1897 on: February 18, 2025, 09:08:51 am »
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« Reply #1898 on: February 18, 2025, 09:16:02 am »
...and Z is so innocent?  Right.   *****rollingeyes*****
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« Reply #1899 on: February 18, 2025, 10:10:21 am »

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1891851057065537831

Of course, this disagrees with almost everything the ruzzians are saying about the meeting.
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