BREAKING...There has been a school shooting at Apalachee High School

[Hoodat]

Georgia has the death penalty.  They executed their first person after a four year hiatus tied to COVID.  Why would COVID halt the execution of a felon found guilty and sentenced to death?  They use any old excuse to halt the carrying out of justice.  The fellow they executed earlier in the year committed his crime in 1974, participating in a brutal gang rape and then the shooting of his ex girlfriend.  And the naysayers wanted to use the fact his IQ was 68 as reason not to execute him.  He managed to have a life, commit crime, etc. 

Georgia does a very poor job of enforcing the death penalty.  Anyone receiving a death sentence in Georgia can count on spending the next 20 years in prison, waiting on the State to move forward.  Contrast that with States like Virginia and Oklahoma who get death row inmates in front of the executioner withing 5-7 years.

[mountaineer]

Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
A CNN analysis shows there have been substantially MORE school sh**tings under the Biden-Harris administration than under Trump.
They don’t mention that in the article but you know they would have done if it were the other way around.

11:11 AM · Sep 5, 2024

[Smokin Joe]

We had no school shootings at all until - when? - the Obama years?

Kip Kinkel at the Thurston High School (killed 5, wounded 28) in Springfield, OR in 1998, and Columbine HS, in Littleton, Colorado, was in 1999. Clinton years. Two shooters, propane bombs (never detonated), (15 dead, 24 wounded), and, of course right in the middle of the 10 year Clinton era 'Assault Weapons Ban' which sunsetted in 2004. Both kids had been on psych meds, at least one psychologist in the parents, (relatively familiar background points by now).

If you really want to go back, there was the University of Texas Tower shooting (mentioned by R Lee Ermey's Character in Full Metal Jacket) Where Charles Whitman killed 15 and wounded 31 more. and in 1989, the Stockton Schoolyard shooting in California (5 children killed, 32 others wounded).

But prior to 2000, most school shootings had few victims or were the result of accidents.

The list (from 1900 to 1999) is fascinating, really and can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)

[mystery-ak]

[rustynail]

Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
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BREAKING: Mugshot of Georgia school sh**ter:

[Smokin Joe]

Once again, demonstrating the mental problems of the 'trans' set.

Can we get these people the real help they need, instead of feeding their delusions/problems--before more are killed?

[mystery-ak]

Apalachee High School shooting victim Mason Schermerhorn sent last text to mom, chaplain says

[mystery-ak]

Videos taken inside Apalachee High School show calm during the chaos

[Fishrrman]

jafo wrote:
"This 14 year old may well get sentenced with the death penalty, but everyone here knows it will be commuted to life, or 25 years because he is a minor."

Cannot be executed as the Supreme Court has said no capital punishment for crimes committed as minors.

Fishrrman's answer:
A proposed Constitutional amendment. Plain and simple:
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"This Constitution recognizes capital punishment to be an appropriate penalty pursuant to the due process of law.

As such, no Court of the United States, nor of the Several States, may declare the death penalty invalid under this Constitution, nor shall any of the Several States enact laws that do the same.

No person in the United States, nor in the several States, shall face capital punishment unless above the age of twelve years and six months."
=========================================

I've posted this before, starting back in 2014.
Yet no one ever seems to comment on it.
Why is that?

[berdie]

jafo wrote:
"This 14 year old may well get sentenced with the death penalty, but everyone here knows it will be commuted to life, or 25 years because he is a minor."

Cannot be executed as the Supreme Court has said no capital punishment for crimes committed as minors.

Fishrrman's answer:
A proposed Constitutional amendment. Plain and simple:
=========================================
"This Constitution recognizes capital punishment to be an appropriate penalty pursuant to the due process of law.

As such, no Court of the United States, nor of the Several States, may declare the death penalty invalid under this Constitution, nor shall any of the Several States enact laws that do the same.

No person in the United States, nor in the several States, shall face capital punishment unless above the age of twelve years and six months."
=========================================

I've posted this before, starting back in 2014.
Yet no one ever seems to comment on it.
Why is that?

Well, I'll take a stab at a comment.

Perhaps because there are very few, if any, juries that will sentence a murderer of that age to death. Should the option be available? Maybe. But it won't happen.

[Hoodat]

jafo wrote:
"This 14 year old may well get sentenced with the death penalty, but everyone here knows it will be commuted to life, or 25 years because he is a minor."

Cannot be executed as the Supreme Court has said no capital punishment for crimes committed as minors.

Fishrrman's answer:
A proposed Constitutional amendment. Plain and simple:
=========================================
"This Constitution recognizes capital punishment to be an appropriate penalty pursuant to the due process of law.

As such, no Court of the United States, nor of the Several States, may declare the death penalty invalid under this Constitution, nor shall any of the Several States enact laws that do the same.

No person in the United States, nor in the several States, shall face capital punishment unless above the age of twelve years and six months."
=========================================

I've posted this before, starting back in 2014.
Yet no one ever seems to comment on it.
Why is that?

@Fishrrman

Because it is none of the federal government's business how States apply their capital punishment laws.  There is nothing in the Constitution that bars a State from executing a minor.  Nothing.  So if a judge is going to ignore the Constitution on this, that same judge is going to ignore your proposed Amendment.

[Hoodat]

Also, this kid would never get the death penalty because a jury must be unanimous in applying it.

Remember Brian Nichols?  He was about to begin trial for a three-day rape which he was guilty as hell of committing.  In the courthouse, he attacked a sheriff's deputy, put her in a coma, took her gun, found the judge in his chambers, shot him dead in front of a witness, escaped, and remained a fugitive for a couple of days before being found in Gwinnett County.  He escaped the death penalty because one juror couldn't bring herself to committing someone to death.

[jmyrlefuller]

I mean, there was a way to avoid any death penalty discussion: just don't take him alive. How is it that every active shooter, especially the white male ones, never gets sniped? They're existential threats to life. It's justified. But the only time they don't survive their deed is when they take themselves out.

Anyway...

...how convenient that when Harris is on the ropes, another white boy school shooter shows up. How convenient.

[libertybele]

I mean, there was a way to avoid any death penalty discussion: just don't take him alive. How is it that every active shooter, especially the white male ones, never gets sniped? They're existential threats to life. It's justified. But the only time they don't survive their deed is when they take themselves out.

Anyway...

...how convenient that when Harris is on the ropes, another white boy school shooter shows up. How convenient.

I was thinking along the same line.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1831833047223669093

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1831841154775605750

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/GuntherEagleman/status/1831843430840070645

[mountaineer]

Mass shootings do tend to come at just the right time for Democrats.

[Smokin Joe]

Mass shootings do tend to come at just the right time for Democrats.

Usually when they have another gun control measure in the Hopper....
But people are a little more wise to them pushing crap through on some wave of emotion.

[NavyCanDo]

Is that real?   If so they will be dropping this story like a rock

[Hoodat]

Is that real?   If so they will be dropping this story like a rock

What story?

[Sighlass]

I call BS on this for now... IOWs... fake

[mystery-ak]

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John Roberts
@johnrobertsFox

A year ago, Colin Gray denied and dismissed the idea that his son had made threats to shoot up a school. Today he finds himself charged with murder as a result of what his son allegedly did at Appalachee High.  And four innocent people are gone.  Full coverage today on @AmericaRpts
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[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/MattWallace888/status/1831824780581875749

[Lando Lincoln]

https://twitter.com/MattWallace888/status/1831824780581875749

Is that verifiable in any way?  Wow, if true.

[PeteS in CA]

Georgia School Shooter's Family is Really... Something

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/09/06/georgia-school-shooters-family-is-really-something-n3794127

This wasn't a case where Colin Gray simply purchased the gun as a gift for his son. He gave it to him seven months after law enforcement visited their home to question Colt about threats to shoot up a school. Colin assured investigators that Colt never had "unsupervised access" to the weapon, a claim that obviously was not true. (Or at least not all of the time.) This should have been a major red flag.

Then there is the mother, Marcee Gray, 43. She reportedly has a lengthy rap sheet including charges of "drug and domestic violence arrests." Neighbors reported that she regularly locked the children outside of the house at night, leaving them there screaming to be let in for hours. Child Protective Services had visited the home many times since the family moved there in 2022.

No summary of the shooter's family would be complete without checking in on the rest of Colt Gray's relatives. One woman claiming to be Colt's aunt quickly rushed to his defense on Facebook, warning people that there would be trouble if anyone spoke ill of her nephew. She suggested that she would be going "full throttle" on anyone accusing him of any wrongdoing.

The family sounds like there are Reddit/GoogTube Entitled ______ threads/videos about their craziness.

[Lando Lincoln]

Georgia School Shooter's Family is Really... Something

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/09/06/georgia-school-shooters-family-is-really-something-n3794127

The family sounds like there are Reddit/GoogTube Entitled ______ threads/videos about their craziness.

Nature AND nurture at play, I suspect. But heck, let’s just take my guns away.

[mystery-ak]

Ga. shooting suspect warned he will face life in prison, dad sobs uncontrollably as they face judge after school assault left 4 dead

https://nypost.com/2024/09/06/us-news/georgia-high-school-shooter-suspect-colt-gray-arrives-in-court-after-bloody-assault-killed-4/

[verga]

Georgia School Shooter's Family is Really... Something

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/09/06/georgia-school-shooters-family-is-really-something-n3794127

The family sounds like there are Reddit/GoogTube Entitled ______ threads/videos about their craziness.

Seems we might need a companion thread to Florida man.

[rustynail]

Hearing a lot of chatter on news shows about the need for 'safe storage'.

[GtHawk]

Hearing a lot of chatter on news shows about the need for 'safe storage'.

Seems to me most, if not all states already have laws on the books. Maybe if enough parents that give their mental defective offspring unfettered access to guns are charged with murder too there will be less carnage. Also maybe if the Feebs did their jobs instead of allowing mass shootings to further the dems/communists political agenda these mentally ill wouldn’t just be on their radar until they start killing.

[mountaineer]

Dad gave this 14 y/o (or perhaps still 13 y/o) kid a rifle after law enforcement already had had a chat with them about Junior's threats of violence. Just wth.

[mountaineer]

The Daily Mail reports the boy was "bullied" for being "queer." (Sorry for all the quotation marks).


Law enforcement sources speaking to CNN reveal that the Discord account belonging to the Winder, Ga. mass school shooting suspect allegedly had posts about plans for a mass shooting over grievances about the lack of trans acceptance.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1832106747928179188

[mountaineer]

One of the pro-violence, pro-trans t-shirts Andy Ngo shared in the above post also has been worn by Tim Walz's Lt. Gov.
Of course.

[Smokin Joe]

The Daily Mail reports the boy was "bullied" for being "queer." (Sorry for all the quotation marks).


Law enforcement sources speaking to CNN reveal that the Discord account belonging to the Winder, Ga. mass school shooting suspect allegedly had posts about plans for a mass shooting over grievances about the lack of trans acceptance.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1832106747928179188

Seriously?

"Trans" don't even accept themselves (as issued).

Can we start treating the mentally ill instead of catering to their delusions, now?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Daddy definitely needs prison time IMO.

[240B]

Daddy definitely needs prison time IMO.

Father is up for life in prison if found guilty.


Georgia school shooter Colt Gray and his father Colin in court - as family's dark past is revealed

DAILYMAIL.COM
By Emma James
6 September 2024

The father of Georgia school shooter Colt Gray sobbed and rocked back and forth during his first appearance at Barrow County Superior Court on Friday.

Colin Gray's hearing took place right after his 14-year-old son Colt learned that, as a minor, he won't face the death penalty for killing four people at Apalachee High School in Winder, outside Atlanta, on Wednesday.

The teen appeared in person in shackles, dressed in a green t-shirt and grey sweat pants. He kept his head down, with his hair covering his face, and spoke softly only to Judge Currie Mingledorff, replying ‘yes sir’ when asked to confirm his name.

Meanwhile his  father, Colin Gray, 54, cried as he appeared shortly after his son in the same courtroom, charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two of second degree murder and eight of cruelty to children.

Colin Gray shuffled in wearing a prison-issued striped shirt and tracksuit, in shackles like his son. He stated his name in a croaky voice, confirming his age, and that he was able to read and write.

(more)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13821309/colt-gray-georgia-school-shooter-court-appearance-father-colin.html

[240B]

Troubled confused kid from a troubled f-ed up family.

Troubling history of Colt Gray and his family REVEALED as his father is arrested and charged with second-degree murder

DAILYMAIL.COM
By Stephen M. Lepore
6 September 2024

The mother of 14-year-old Georgia school shooter Colt Gray has a lengthy rap sheet including domestic violence, drug use and fraud that led to her being sentenced to jail time last December.

Gray was arrested on Wednesday at Apalachee High School in Winder, minutes after authorities say he opened fire on students and teachers, killing four. Colt reportedly told police 'I did it' when read his Miranda rights.

His father, 54-year-old Colin Gray, is accused of buying his 14-year-old son Colt the AR-15-style rifle the boy used and was arrested Thursday on several counts of second degree murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children.

Public records show that Gray's mother, Marcee Gray, has a criminal record dating back to 2007 and spent time in jail as recently as this past April and was banned from contacting father Colin without a third party intermediary.

Marcee, 43, has a record across four Georgia counties and includes drug use, domestic violence and property damage, as well as civil claims of fraud.

(more)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13819865/Troubling-history-Colt-Gray-Georgia-school-shooting-suspects-family.html

[roamer_1]

Dad gave this 14 y/o (or perhaps still 13 y/o) kid a rifle after law enforcement already had had a chat with them about Junior's threats of violence. Just wth.

Careful what you wish for. The same could be said about me, but about 3 years earlier.
Guns freely available to me since a young age... Guns never locked up, and always loaded. Carrying weapons; guns, knives, and hatchets, freely my whole life.


Also more than once arrested for 'violence'... What many would call many times.
I've seen friends and family from both sides of chickenwire glass...

Be very, very careful what you wish for.

[mountaineer]

Be very, very careful what you wish for.

I guess the only thing I'm wishing for parents to have more sense. If your child proclaims he's going to kill his schoolmates, don't hand him the weapon and the ammunition.

[roamer_1]

I guess the only thing I'm wishing for parents to have more sense. If your child proclaims he's going to kill his schoolmates, don't hand him the weapon and the ammunition.

Alas! But wisdom is neither bought nor sold....

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Careful what you wish for. The same could be said about me, but about 3 years earlier.
Guns freely available to me since a young age... Guns never locked up, and always loaded. Carrying weapons; guns, knives, and hatchets, freely my whole life.


Also more than once arrested for 'violence'... What many would call many times.
I've seen friends and family from both sides of chickenwire glass...

Be very, very careful what you wish for.

Had you had taken that firearm and committed violence/murder then obviously things would be very different and if your parent provided you with the weaponry, then IMO they are culpable. Not a 2a issue IMO.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/NicholasKruge/status/1832218520458789117

[roamer_1]

Had you had taken that firearm and committed violence/murder then obviously things would be very different and if your parent provided you with the weaponry, then IMO they are culpable. Not a 2a issue IMO.

PROVIDED with? Supplied, perhaps. Provided bespeaks intent.

And the minute a secondary person is made frivolously 'culpable', you've a line to draw... What of an employee that knows his way around my stuff? What of the neighbor or acquaintance? Where does culpability end?

This is the same dumb bullshit to make a seller culpable.

No. The kid did it. Not anybody else.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

PROVIDED with? Supplied, perhaps. Provided bespeaks intent.

And the minute a secondary person is made frivolously 'culpable', you've a line to draw... What of an employee that knows his way around my stuff? What of the neighbor or acquaintance? Where does culpability end?

This is the same dumb bullshit to make a seller culpable.

No. The kid did it. Not anybody else.

I've thought about this quite a bit. Let's just say, if a kid was making violent threats, and was warned by police, and the parent still gave a gun as a gift. We can go into hypotheticals til the cows come home, but IMO this clearly crosses a line. This isn't like the parent took reasonable actions like locked up his guns and the kid still found a key etc.

[roamer_1]

I've thought about this quite a bit. Let's just say, if a kid was making violent threats, and was warned by police, and the parent still gave a gun as a gift. We can go into hypotheticals til the cows come home, but IMO this clearly crosses a line. This isn't like the parent took reasonable actions like locked up his guns and the kid still found a key etc.

Riiight. Lock up the guns, so they are perfectly useless.

There are four guns within reach here. The are all loaded.
Mostly for varmints - but serves the same purpose against any who would interfere with my liberty.

If the only way to possess guns without fear of being sued out of existence is to keep them unloaded and locked away in a safe, then you no longer have a gun at all, and have ceded your right to liberty and self defense for the illusion of safety.

Benjamin Franklin was right.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Riiight. Lock up the guns, so they are perfectly useless.

There are four guns within reach here. The are all loaded.
Mostly for varmints - but serves the same purpose against any who would interfere with my liberty.

If the only way to possess guns without fear of being sued out of existence is to keep them unloaded and locked away in a safe, then you no longer have a gun at all, and have ceded your right to liberty and self defense for the illusion of safety.

Benjamin Franklin was right.

You live with someone who has a reasonable chance of using them to commit violence? Keep them locked up.

If you left one lying around and someone grabbed one and used it to commit violence... we're talking hypotheticals here. Different circumstances. You really have no way to no it would get pilfered and used in a crime. Did you leave it on a seat cushion with the window down in your car? IMO that's negligence.

[roamer_1]

You live with someone who has a reasonable chance of using them to commit violence? Keep them locked up.

If you left one lying around and someone grabbed one and used it to commit violence... we're talking hypotheticals here. Different circumstances. You really have no way to no it would get pilfered and used in a crime. Did you leave it on a seat cushion with the window down in your car? IMO that's negligence.

And how am I supposed to know what is teenage bravado and real threat? What if I draw that line wrongly? That makes it my fault?

And btw... There's been a .357 in my always unlocked pickup that always has the keys in it, literally all my life. There's a .30/30 in the seat scabbard.

Y'all have no idea left of liberty.

[libertybele]

I guess the only thing I'm wishing for parents to have more sense. If your child proclaims he's going to kill his schoolmates, don't hand him the weapon and the ammunition.

I knew a firearms instructor who began to teach his children to handle a gun around the age of 3. He familiarized them with gun safety first and taught them to respect a weapon and then taught them to shoot a weapon. This was done over time and each progressed at a different rate. They also realized what would happen if they 'abused' that weapon and they knew full well that guns mishandled could kill.

It seems that this Dad gave his 14 year old a gun with no instruction which was absolutely irresponsible. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

And how am I supposed to know what is teenage bravado and real threat? What if I draw that line wrongly? That makes it my fault?

And btw... There's been a .357 in my always unlocked pickup that always has the keys in it, literally all my life. There's a .30/30 in the seat scabbard.

Y'all have no idea left of liberty.

Maybe in your area that a reasonable risk to take. Montana isn't an urban area though. Things are different elsewhere in the country.