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Re: BREAKING...There has been a school shooting at Apalachee High School
« Reply #150 on: September 23, 2024, 04:16:18 pm »
We have rights under the 2A.  As a gun owner, you also have a responsibility of owning and handling a gun.  A gun owner should know where his gun(s) is at all times and if need be safely stowed.

IF you have a teen that has a propensity to violence, I'd say it would be irresponsible not to have any weapons stowed.

That is incorrect. And I am the proof.

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Re: BREAKING...There has been a school shooting at Apalachee High School
« Reply #151 on: September 23, 2024, 04:20:49 pm »
Yes. Who knows haw many opportunities to put meat on the table have been denied young people (because girls hunt, too!) because no guns are with them and ready to go hunting. Now they have to go home, gear up, and make it into the field before dark, which comes early at this latitude in the fall and winter.

Back before 'gun free school zones', kids could just get in the pickup and go, usually having worn their hunting garb to school (before camouflage clothes was somehow seen as radical, far right, and dangerous).

Not just for hunting, Joe... Not anymore, but I probably used a firearm 3 times as much for varmint disposal in comparison to hunting. And many's the time I have met someone at my door at three in the morning with a .45 in my hand. Pretty hard to do, if the gun is unloaded and locked up, in either case. That stuff only works if the gun is out and ready.

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Re: BREAKING...There has been a school shooting at Apalachee High School
« Reply #152 on: September 23, 2024, 04:54:05 pm »
That is incorrect. And I am the proof.



I don't know your age @roamer_1 , but I hazard to guess that when you were growing up the norm wasn't to go to a school and kill a bunch of people that had wronged you (in your mind). You may have beat them up  :laugh: but that's different. I know that I never had to deal with such a thing. There is a difference between being rowdy and wanting to kill anyone that ever said a cross word. And for the record, I don't know many kids that didn't want to blow up the school, lol. But they didn't do it...these days they just might.

I'm not for gun control, but from what I've read, the dad/kid had already had a visit regarding messages about killing people at the school. But then went out a bought him his own gun. I understand wanting to take up for your kid and not believing they could do anything like that. But, conversely, I might not have bought him a gun right then.

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Re: BREAKING...There has been a school shooting at Apalachee High School
« Reply #153 on: September 23, 2024, 06:43:43 pm »


I don't know your age @roamer_1 , but I hazard to guess that when you were growing up the norm wasn't to go to a school and kill a bunch of people that had wronged you (in your mind). You may have beat them up  :laugh: but that's different. I know that I never had to deal with such a thing. There is a difference between being rowdy and wanting to kill anyone that ever said a cross word. And for the record, I don't know many kids that didn't want to blow up the school, lol. But they didn't do it...these days they just might.

I'm not for gun control, but from what I've read, the dad/kid had already had a visit regarding messages about killing people at the school. But then went out a bought him his own gun. I understand wanting to take up for your kid and not believing they could do anything like that. But, conversely, I might not have bought him a gun right then.

That's my point precisely @berdie ... Low 60's for age...

What has spawned these demons is societal, else you and I would have seen it back in the day too.
I offer myself as an example strictly because I was as wild a one as you are likely to find, just short of the penitentiary, by the grace of God; and I have had guns - real guns - from an early age, all around me. Guns that were my own. Such a thought never entered my mind.

If you want to fix this, look to the societal problems and fix those. You will fix nothing with precog crime and the removal of liberty. Quite the opposite You'll make it worse.

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Re: BREAKING...There has been a school shooting at Apalachee High School
« Reply #154 on: September 23, 2024, 06:54:15 pm »
That's my point precisely @berdie ... Low 60's for age...

What has spawned these demons is societal, else you and I would have seen it back in the day too.
I offer myself as an example strictly because I was as wild a one as you are likely to find, just short of the penitentiary, by the grace of God; and I have had guns - real guns - from an early age, all around me. Guns that were my own. Such a thought never entered my mind.

If you want to fix this, look to the societal problems and fix those. You will fix nothing with precog crime and the removal of liberty. Quite the opposite You'll make it worse.

You hit the nail on the head -- societal problems have created what we're seeing and for the most part I blame the liberal indoctrination of our youth.  Two generations if not more of that indoctrination which includes instilling lack of patriotism and lack of respect for others that have been taught differently. That and the increasing population with a change in demographics.

I would never propose hindering liberty. All I am proposing is the importance of practicing responsible gun ownership which includes teaching our youth to respect a weapon. Perhaps more important is teaching them respect for God and one another. 

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Re: BREAKING...There has been a school shooting at Apalachee High School
« Reply #155 on: September 23, 2024, 07:31:25 pm »
Look, as a whole I respect you. I think you have a fantastic mind. And that is no faint praise.

Likewise.

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For that reason, your position is all the more offensive:


Well, I believe what I believe. I will agree to disagree and leave it at that, and I have to be honest about what I believe. I'll take your opinion into consideration.

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Re: BREAKING...There has been a school shooting at Apalachee High School
« Reply #156 on: September 23, 2024, 08:08:27 pm »
You hit the nail on the head -- societal problems have created what we're seeing and for the most part I blame the liberal indoctrination of our youth.  Two generations if not more of that indoctrination which includes instilling lack of patriotism and lack of respect for others that have been taught differently. That and the increasing population with a change in demographics.


More than that @libertybele , I think there is a direct causal link to technology and a wide gap between city life and reality. That has been my suspicion for some time now, but I am forced to make the conclusion.

You can see it plainly on voting maps. Mega-cities  are all invariably liberal, and rural areas invariably Conservative. That is because liberalism cannot survive reality. I will confuse the issue by proposing that the more rural you get, the more Conservative the people, and the more citified, the more liberal, with the battle line between reality and bat-shit crazy liberal (as distinct from merely liberal) having been extended to townships by way of media and school systems, which get their cues from their hierarchical structures, which all inevitably end up in big city power.

That's a relatively new demarcation by the way... In this generation, maybe in the last decade even, with townships (other than college towns which have been bat-shit crazy for years) being new ground for liberals, albeit they they have bent liberal for a long time.

But the takeaway is this: Liberalism cannot survive reality. It requires advanced technology in order to function.

You must think about that. Where I am, nearly everyone knows the sanctity of life, because we kill our food. We know where our meat comes from, because we looked it in the eye, and pulled the trigger. We cut its throat. We skinned it and cut it up.

Most city folks have never killed a chicken. How then do they quantify the difference between that and killing a man? It all means nothing at all in their video game world. they don't know what it is really, until they have really pulled the trigger.

I've known what that is, nearly all my life. I honor the blood every time I spill it. I know how hard that is, every time. And that means something more when I am carving up a steak.

I could go on and on about this. The citified folks are far away from the land, and the ways that Yah has given. I think the two are one thing. You cannot walk this land without at least some understanding. And the way of her people reflect that.


And if you think they're wild it's just because they can't be broken. It's a strong and gentle people living there - John Denver, the Wrangle Mountain Song


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I would never propose hindering liberty. All I am proposing is the importance of practicing responsible gun ownership which includes teaching our youth to respect a weapon.


But in that demands a standard. And a standard demands a decider. And then that will be averaged to leave us with the citified standard. Gun safes and trigger locks, and skyrocketing liability insurance, And God help us, It's YOUR fault if you don't follow it and someone you know and trust does something with your guns that you would never endorse.

Remember: This is not about law. The law says 'Shall not infringe'. Plainly. This is about disarmament. No matter how you wiggle, no matter how you dance, That is what it is for.

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Perhaps more important is teaching them respect for God and one another.


Amen to that, sister!
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Re: BREAKING...There has been a school shooting at Apalachee High School
« Reply #157 on: September 23, 2024, 08:15:10 pm »
Well, I believe what I believe. I will agree to disagree and leave it at that, and I have to be honest about what I believe. I'll take your opinion into consideration.


Sure, and that's fine. It's when your beliefs are imposed upon me (as a matter of law) - That is where I draw the line. Being a federalist, I recognize that no shoe fits all. If you want to try that in your state, knock yourself out.

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Re: BREAKING...There has been a school shooting at Apalachee High School
« Reply #158 on: September 23, 2024, 08:35:20 pm »
More than that @libertybele , I think there is a direct causal link to technology and a wide gap between city life and reality. That has been my suspicion for some time now, but I am forced to make the conclusion.

You can see it plainly on voting maps. Mega-cities  are all invariably liberal, and rural areas invariably Conservative. That is because liberalism cannot survive reality. I will confuse the issue by proposing that the more rural you get, the more Conservative the people, and the more citified, the more liberal, with the battle line between reality and bat-shit crazy liberal (as distinct from merely liberal) having been extended to townships by way of media and school systems, which get their cues from their hierarchical structures, which all inevitably end up in big city power.

That's a relatively new demarcation by the way... In this generation, maybe in the last decade even, with townships (other than college towns which have been bat-shit crazy for years) being new ground for liberals, albeit they they have bent liberal for a long time.

But the takeaway is this: Liberalism cannot survive reality. It requires advanced technology in order to function.

You must think about that. Where I am, nearly everyone knows the sanctity of life, because we kill our food. We know where our meat comes from, because we looked it in the eye, and pulled the trigger. We cut its throat. We skinned it and cut it up.

Most city folks have never killed a chicken. How then do they quantify the difference between that and killing a man? It all means nothing at all in their video game world. they don't know what it is really, until they have really pulled the trigger.

I've known what that is, nearly all my life. I honor the blood every time I spill it. I know how hard that is, every time. And that means something more when I am carving up a steak.

I could go on and on about this. The citified folks are far away from the land, and the ways that Yah has given. I think the two are one thing. You cannot walk this land without at least some understanding. And the way of her people reflect that.


And if you think they're wild it's just because they can't be broken. It's a strong and gentle people living there - John Denver, the Wrangle Mountain Song


But in that demands a standard. And a standard demands a decider. And then that will be averaged to leave us with the citified standard. Gun safes and trigger locks, and skyrocketing liability insurance, And God help us, It's YOUR fault if you don't follow it and someone you know and trust does something with your guns that you would never endorse.

Remember: This is not about law. The law says 'Shall not infringe'. Plainly. This is about disarmament. No matter how you wiggle, no matter how you dance, That is what it is for.

Amen to that, sister!

I live in a heavily populated 'suburban' area that has been conservative for quite sometime. Keep in mind we moved down here 30 years ago when there was a lot of vacant and undeveloped land. This area was a well kept secret for quite some time; beautiful weather, beaches,a few islands and island life with a low population.  No we didn't kill for our own food; though hunting alligator, wild boar and fishing for tarpon or  shark used to be quite a thing, and we for the most part were very conservative.  You didn't dare mess with the 'good ole' boys as you would never be found again. When I first moved down here I worked for general contractors -- they carried guns on their persons and know one dared question them.  Many good ole boys were on the local ballot and county ballots.

With time, things changed. During the pandemic years and till now people moved her in droves from blue states because we were conservative and they sought that freedom. What's going to happen to this area from this point forward is anyone's guess.

I'm not saying to mandate that you have to lock your guns up or put trigger guards on them -- all I am advocating is for common sense gun safety period. How that gun safety works for you and others is strictly up to them and up to the rules of the state that they live in.  Obviously rules in CA or HI are going to differ from those of FL and MT.  What we're used to here is very different than what we'd find in CA and of course there's a difference between this area of FL now and MT.

When we visited CO years ago, people carried on their persons in the more rural areas. We visited cities that people couldn't get out in the winter because the roads weren't plowed and those living there prepared for the winter months.

Times change @roamer_1   Yes, we've lived conservatively our whole lives and to see what is happening is really disheartening.
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Re: BREAKING...There has been a school shooting at Apalachee High School
« Reply #159 on: September 24, 2024, 05:54:58 pm »
That's my point precisely @berdie ... Low 60's for age...

What has spawned these demons is societal, else you and I would have seen it back in the day too.
I offer myself as an example strictly because I was as wild a one as you are likely to find, just short of the penitentiary, by the grace of God; and I have had guns - real guns - from an early age, all around me. Guns that were my own. Such a thought never entered my mind.

If you want to fix this, look to the societal problems and fix those. You will fix nothing with precog crime and the removal of liberty. Quite the opposite You'll make it worse.



I can't disagree with anything posted here or down thread @roamer_1 . It is a societal issue...and the breakdown of family. (Maybe one in the same)

I have always read that a societal pendulum will swing one way and then swing back the other way. I keep waiting. Sadly, I don't think it will happen. The rural areas are behind the urban areas but they will catch up, eventually. 8888crybaby