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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #725 on: July 22, 2024, 09:57:20 pm »
   Are not TPTB still trying to convince US that LHO acted alone?
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« Reply #726 on: July 22, 2024, 10:08:12 pm »
Well, that is the only narrative point they have agreed upon.
The idea that they let two (or more) shooters breach their alleged security cordon would be considerable egg on their faces, and it might be easier for the rubes to swallow the lone gunman idea who slipped through, despite their herculean efforts to keep Trump safe...or some such BS.

He snuck in there with a van and a car and a bike, evidently...

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I would guess that there were two shooters, a patsy and a pro, and that the bad security, led by the SS, was compromised in at least as much as being downplayed, information/observations stovepiped*, and not having a common channel all could readily communicate on and monitor.


I would follow you there, except there is exactly ZERO evidence of a professional shooter - Particularly and decisively because Tumpy is still walking around. No one worth their salt is gonna miss at 130 yards and certainly not given just one more shot. Any given drunken redneck on any given day can shoot better than that.

I think there were more than two guns. That's right. But I think the other guns were return fire from the LEOs and they were just that bad. Can't prove it because I don't know where the other sniper nests were, but the big shots... about 6 of them - sound like the same gun ... Different from the shooter, but not many different guns of different calibers either... A very consistent, ordered fire from the same place.

It seems to me the LEOS tried to take him out, he got rushed and snapped off a clip - missing with all but one by a long way,  and the last shot, different from the six, different from the shooter, was the final LEO that nailed him down.

That's what I am going by right now.

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*As happened prior to 9/11, agencies supposedly working on counterterrorism had distinct and separate channels of communication. had they been able to compare notes and put the pieces together, the attacks may have been preventable. But when one agency sees one piece of the puzzle (which in itself may seem notable, but not imminently significant) and another agency sees another piece, the puzzle pieces which may otherwise have been assembled to form a more complete threat picture may get lost within their respective organizations' data, because they individually do not seem to constitute a threat, which might be more obvious were those bits combined.

That's right. The sheriff's office says comms were siloed. That means one agency was not in comms with any other - All comms went through dispatch. That's a glaring error. Par for the course, I know, but there should be a tactical channel that they all could switch to and have realtime comms. That's a huge operational error.

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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #727 on: July 22, 2024, 10:45:34 pm »
If there was a second professional shooter, he would have likely been much further away.

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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #728 on: July 23, 2024, 01:41:31 am »
   Are not TPTB still trying to convince US that LHO acted alone?
Yep.

If he did, it is less embarrassing than having some questions about how TWO shooters got in, whether or not this situation was engineered and if so, by whom (because the list of prominent suspects is long indeed).

The narrative will be that there was one shooter, and he acted alone for unknown reasons.

After repeating the narrative for a while, the mouthpiece media will go dark on the subject and find other rabbit holes to present to the public as distractions, and declare any who don't find the narrative fulfilling to be "conspiracy theorists" or "extremists".
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #729 on: July 23, 2024, 09:11:04 am »
Well, that 5.56 is within it's window... Pretty much it's optimal window. And the caliber is enough in the technical aspect of the thing, according to what I have been told... I am converting it to .223/.243 because I don't speak NATO, but if that is fair, 130 yards is not a terrible far shot for that gun.

But 'getting close' was more luck than sense, it seems to me. Somewhere between 5 and 11 rounds sent downrange. All misses. All of em. That one got close seems damn lucky to me. That's some piss-pour shooting right there. My buddies would laugh their asses off at me if I missed that many. My old man would dang near disown me.

Now, maybe it's different somehow because it's a semi-auto - I don't know. But with any regular deer rifle - *just* a deer rifle, with a crappy, run-of-the-mill Redfield/Weaver wally-world scope at 130 yards - Defined, known yardage... He used a dang rangefinder.... All that considered, with a clear day and not much wind...

That's an easy body shot. And I would be on the center of a pie plate in two. And I ain't no marvel. I'm pretty average around here.

I know everybody is up in arms... I know everybody wants to make this a big conspiracy... But it was a clown-show, all the way around. Not only  the shooter - but the response... The security, all the way around. The only guy in the whole damn show that brought home the bacon was the feller who put him down... And even that wasn't all that. It was a nice shot. That's all... Nice. It wasn't no Matthew Quigley thing. It ain't saying much. Just a good job.

That's the thing for me. It's hard - Damn hard - to assign all this conspiracy theory to such a major shit show. Yeah... I can buy that they were purposefully starving his security team - I get that... That's the sort of back-bitey thing a democrat administration would do. But Tumpy is rich. If he felt he was having trouble, why didn't he buy a handful of aces from the private sector?Why didn't he have his own dudes?

Sounds to me like it was all too much normal seepage - Everybody in a venue gets used to a way of doing things...  You go through the motions. Muscle memory. I think that makes more sense for the incompetence. NOBODY was ready for this. And one little weasel found out how. It didn't make him a good shot though. Just  good weasel.

 :shrug:
Pretty much agree. Tremendous incompetence on the side of the security assigned to Trump and one deranged, dead individual whom we might never know the reasons for the attempt.
It was such a massive screw-up I can see where some people might start thinking conspiracy on both sides.
 But my feeling it was just a lone nut who almost killed a presidential candidate because of the massive incompetence of the security assigned to protect him.

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« Reply #730 on: July 23, 2024, 09:13:11 am »
But my feeling it was just a lone nut who almost killed a presidential candidate because of the massive incompetence of the security assigned to protect him.
That may be it. But I can't help but just wonder how this 20-y/o with no apparent connections just happened to know security would be so utterly lax that day.
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So to recap on the plot to kill Trump…

No radio recordings from Secret Service.

Math Club Shooter flew a done over a secure airspace on day of shooting, when we shut down large sporting events for that.

Math Club Shooter was seen shimmying up a wall with a rifle.

Math Club shooter was able to negotiate sloped roof deemed too dangerous for trained law enforcement/security.

Trump was denied extra security.

Somehow the Math Club Shooter was able to get a clean line of sight less than 150 yards away, but a police sniper was able to take him out (after he shot, of course) from over 400 yards away.

A Congressman produces video that shows just how easy was the shot Math Club Shooter was given, and how there is no excuse that was permitted.

Math Club Shooter had a phone FBI struggled to unlock, was apparently the only Gen Z male in America with little social media profile, and 9 days later we still do not know key details about his life or motives.

Conclusion: Once and for all, take your stupid “smart set” talking point about not attributing malice when incompetence is the answer, and shove it right up your Pete Buttigieg dedicated sphincter hole. And then perhaps you will finally understand the signs of the times.
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« Reply #731 on: July 23, 2024, 09:53:47 am »
Oh, yeah. The white van/Hyundai Sonata/bicycle full of bombs.

Why did they tow the van, if it was filled with explosives? Shouldn't they have brought in the bomb squad to disable the bombs?

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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #732 on: July 23, 2024, 10:49:02 am »
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BREAKING: USSS Director Kim Cheatle is resigning after the attempted assassination of President Trump on July 13 and a grueling Oversight Committee hearing which included bipartisan calls for her to step down.

Long overdue.

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« Reply #733 on: July 23, 2024, 10:51:08 am »
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It's not enough for Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle to resign.

She and her boss Open Borders Traitor Alejandro Mayorkas MUST be criminally charged, prosecuted and jailed.

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« Reply #734 on: July 23, 2024, 10:51:30 am »
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BREAKING: USSS Director Kim Cheatle is resigning after the attempted assassination of President Trump on July 13 and a grueling Oversight Committee hearing which included bipartisan calls for her to step down.

Long overdue.

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« Reply #736 on: July 23, 2024, 04:46:15 pm »
That may be it. But I can't help but just wonder how this 20-y/o with no apparent connections just happened to know security would be so utterly lax that day.

Twenty year old me surely knew how to sneak into the fair grounds, as a matter of course.
I worked the rodeos and big shows, but I bet you I still know how to get in for free... And unobserved.
Y'all have too much confidence in security measures.

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« Reply #740 on: July 23, 2024, 05:40:38 pm »
Has anyone commented as to why or how Crooks’ body was lying some distance from where they believe he was shooting from?  Seems odd.
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« Reply #741 on: July 23, 2024, 05:43:14 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06RuT7kr3kY

What happened to the water tower person, and who was it?
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« Reply #742 on: July 23, 2024, 05:53:06 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06RuT7kr3kY

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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #744 on: July 23, 2024, 06:13:52 pm »
Has anyone commented as to why or how Crooks’ body was lying some distance from where they believe he was shooting from?  Seems odd.

He was moved when a picture of his face was taken for ID purposes. He may have been moved more in order to check for vitals in case he was still alive...which would be protocol for many law enforcement agencies.

I can post the aforementioned picture if you wish. It is very gruesome but it clearly shows someone holding his head for the camera.
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« Reply #745 on: July 23, 2024, 06:29:36 pm »
   The Video evidence does not support a water tower guy, IMHO.
   2 weeks after Kennedy was assassinated 'they' had already blamed LHO (lone nut) the Russians, the Cubans (Ted's father later), The Mob, FBI, USSS, CIA, NSA and the Dallas PD. 
   These are diversions to keep you from the real truth, it's how they roll.
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« Reply #747 on: July 23, 2024, 06:45:50 pm »
   The Video evidence does not support a water tower guy, IMHO.
   


Its crazy to me that overwatch didn't have their own on that water tower... On the walkway, not the top... That's under 200 yards with very good sight lines in all directions.  It' about the most sensible placement possible.

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« Reply #748 on: July 23, 2024, 06:56:05 pm »
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Watch his face. 👀

Premeditated coordinated inside job. The American people see right through the bs. Now that the secret service director stepped down, the gloves are off. I bet everybody involved will start throwing each other under the bus as more evidence comes out. Isn't this what military tribunals are for?

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« Reply #749 on: July 23, 2024, 07:42:49 pm »
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