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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #700 on: July 22, 2024, 02:51:38 pm »
"Where is Joe Biden" is currently trending at #4 on X/Twitter.
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« Reply #701 on: July 22, 2024, 02:54:42 pm »
"Rep. Nancy Mace BLASTS USSS Director Kim Cheatle and reveals that the Secret Service knew about the shooter for 57 minutes without removing Trump from the scene and allowing him to take the stage. DAMNING. She must be fired or resign." (Video)


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« Reply #702 on: July 22, 2024, 02:56:30 pm »
"Where is Joe Biden" is currently trending at #4 on X/Twitter.

Regarding where Joe Biden is, check this out:

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,536820.msg3050095.html#msg3050095


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« Reply #703 on: July 22, 2024, 02:59:53 pm »
Is Loomer just trying to get clicks?

She comes up with some wild sfuff.
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« Reply #704 on: July 22, 2024, 03:23:47 pm »
"Rep. Nancy Mace BLASTS USSS Director Kim Cheatle and reveals that the Secret Service knew about the shooter for 57 minutes without removing Trump from the scene and allowing him to take the stage. DAMNING. She must be fired or resign." (Video)


https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1815430004479848543
Yes she needs to be fired.  I also think that this lack of security was intentional! 

By the grace of God Trump survived.

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« Reply #705 on: July 22, 2024, 03:30:52 pm »
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I’ll say it: After the hearing today it’s become crystal clear that there are those in the government who wanted Trump dead and created the conditions for the President to get a bullet in the head.

This is an obvious reality.

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« Reply #706 on: July 22, 2024, 03:38:30 pm »
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I’ll say it: After the hearing today it’s become crystal clear that there are those in the government who wanted Trump dead and created the conditions for the President to get a bullet in the head.

This is an obvious reality.

3:16 PM · Jul 22, 2024

Absolutely agree!  No this isn't a conspiracy theory.

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« Reply #707 on: July 22, 2024, 03:44:52 pm »
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I’ll say it: After the hearing today it’s become crystal clear that there are those in the government who wanted Trump dead and created the conditions for the President to get a bullet in the head.

This is an obvious reality.

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Welcome aboard Benny! That's been obvious from the very start to me.
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« Reply #708 on: July 22, 2024, 03:51:15 pm »
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I’ll say it: After the hearing today it’s become crystal clear that there are those in the government who wanted Trump dead and created the conditions for the President to get a bullet in the head.

This is an obvious reality.

3:16 PM · Jul 22, 2024
AGREE!

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« Reply #709 on: July 22, 2024, 04:03:42 pm »
WTH is going on..
I think they got rid of the double and pulled the real Joe out of the fridge. All this from the debate on has just been theater.

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« Reply #710 on: July 22, 2024, 05:28:34 pm »
Welcome aboard Benny! That's been obvious from the very start to me.
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« Reply #711 on: July 22, 2024, 06:07:12 pm »
True? I have no idea.
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« Reply #712 on: July 22, 2024, 06:15:39 pm »
True? I have no idea.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krD4hdGvGHM

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« Reply #713 on: July 22, 2024, 07:34:35 pm »
Of course if the punk had used a rifle in a more appropriate caliber with an actual scope, Trump might be dead. There is no way I believe that he was the shooter, getting that close to killing Trump with an old inexpensive AR using a crappy red dot sight. So what it comes down to is we will never know who the shooter was or what he was actually using that day.

Well, that 5.56 is within it's window... Pretty much it's optimal window. And the caliber is enough in the technical aspect of the thing, according to what I have been told... I am converting it to .223/.243 because I don't speak NATO, but if that is fair, 130 yards is not a terrible far shot for that gun.

But 'getting close' was more luck than sense, it seems to me. Somewhere between 5 and 11 rounds sent downrange. All misses. All of em. That one got close seems damn lucky to me. That's some piss-pour shooting right there. My buddies would laugh their asses off at me if I missed that many. My old man would dang near disown me.

Now, maybe it's different somehow because it's a semi-auto - I don't know. But with any regular deer rifle - *just* a deer rifle, with a crappy, run-of-the-mill Redfield/Weaver wally-world scope at 130 yards - Defined, known yardage... He used a dang rangefinder.... All that considered, with a clear day and not much wind...

That's an easy body shot. And I would be on the center of a pie plate in two. And I ain't no marvel. I'm pretty average around here.

I know everybody is up in arms... I know everybody wants to make this a big conspiracy... But it was a clown-show, all the way around. Not only  the shooter - but the response... The security, all the way around. The only guy in the whole damn show that brought home the bacon was the feller who put him down... And even that wasn't all that. It was a nice shot. That's all... Nice. It wasn't no Matthew Quigley thing. It ain't saying much. Just a good job.

That's the thing for me. It's hard - Damn hard - to assign all this conspiracy theory to such a major shit show. Yeah... I can buy that they were purposefully starving his security team - I get that... That's the sort of back-bitey thing a democrat administration would do. But Tumpy is rich. If he felt he was having trouble, why didn't he buy a handful of aces from the private sector?Why didn't he have his own dudes?

Sounds to me like it was all too much normal seepage - Everybody in a venue gets used to a way of doing things...  You go through the motions. Muscle memory. I think that makes more sense for the incompetence. NOBODY was ready for this. And one little weasel found out how. It didn't make him a good shot though. Just  good weasel.

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« Reply #714 on: July 22, 2024, 08:12:01 pm »
Well, that 5.56 is within it's window... Pretty much it's optimal window. And the caliber is enough in the technical aspect of the thing, according to what I have been told... I am converting it to .223/.243 because I don't speak NATO, but if that is fair, 130 yards is not a terrible far shot for that gun.

But 'getting close' was more luck than sense, it seems to me. Somewhere between 5 and 11 rounds sent downrange. All misses. All of em. That one got close seems damn lucky to me. That's some piss-pour shooting right there. My buddies would laugh their asses off at me if I missed that many. My old man would dang near disown me.

Now, maybe it's different somehow because it's a semi-auto - I don't know. But with any regular deer rifle - *just* a deer rifle, with a crappy, run-of-the-mill Redfield/Weaver wally-world scope at 130 yards - Defined, known yardage... He used a dang rangefinder.... All that considered, with a clear day and not much wind...

That's an easy body shot. And I would be on the center of a pie plate in two. And I ain't no marvel. I'm pretty average around here.

I know everybody is up in arms... I know everybody wants to make this a big conspiracy... But it was a clown-show, all the way around. Not only  the shooter - but the response... The security, all the way around. The only guy in the whole damn show that brought home the bacon was the feller who put him down... And even that wasn't all that. It was a nice shot. That's all... Nice. It wasn't no Matthew Quigley thing. It ain't saying much. Just a good job.

That's the thing for me. It's hard - Damn hard - to assign all this conspiracy theory to such a major shit show. Yeah... I can buy that they were purposefully starving his security team - I get that... That's the sort of back-bitey thing a democrat administration would do. But Tumpy is rich. If he felt he was having trouble, why didn't he buy a handful of aces from the private sector?Why didn't he have his own dudes?

Sounds to me like it was all too much normal seepage - Everybody in a venue gets used to a way of doing things...  You go through the motions. Muscle memory. I think that makes more sense for the incompetence. NOBODY was ready for this. And one little weasel found out how. It didn't make him a good shot though. Just  good weasel.

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« Reply #715 on: July 22, 2024, 08:27:21 pm »
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In a hearing about Secret Service's failures to protect President Trump, Rep. Jamie Raskin spent his opening statement talking about gun control and mocked people for believing in divine providence.

They should simply pass a law prohibiting assassinations.  That would put an end to all this 'assassination' nonsense.
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« Reply #716 on: July 22, 2024, 08:46:59 pm »
Well, that 5.56 is within it's window... Pretty much it's optimal window. And the caliber is enough in the technical aspect of the thing, according to what I have been told... I am converting it to .223/.243 because I don't speak NATO, but if that is fair, 130 yards is not a terrible far shot for that gun.

But 'getting close' was more luck than sense, it seems to me. Somewhere between 5 and 11 rounds sent downrange. All misses. All of em. That one got close seems damn lucky to me. That's some piss-pour shooting right there. My buddies would laugh their asses off at me if I missed that many. My old man would dang near disown me.

Now, maybe it's different somehow because it's a semi-auto - I don't know. But with any regular deer rifle - *just* a deer rifle, with a crappy, run-of-the-mill Redfield/Weaver wally-world scope at 130 yards - Defined, known yardage... He used a dang rangefinder.... All that considered, with a clear day and not much wind...

That's an easy body shot. And I would be on the center of a pie plate in two. And I ain't no marvel. I'm pretty average around here.

I know everybody is up in arms... I know everybody wants to make this a big conspiracy... But it was a clown-show, all the way around. Not only  the shooter - but the response... The security, all the way around. The only guy in the whole damn show that brought home the bacon was the feller who put him down... And even that wasn't all that. It was a nice shot. That's all... Nice. It wasn't no Matthew Quigley thing. It ain't saying much. Just a good job.

That's the thing for me. It's hard - Damn hard - to assign all this conspiracy theory to such a major shit show. Yeah... I can buy that they were purposefully starving his security team - I get that... That's the sort of back-bitey thing a democrat administration would do. But Tumpy is rich. If he felt he was having trouble, why didn't he buy a handful of aces from the private sector?Why didn't he have his own dudes?

Sounds to me like it was all too much normal seepage - Everybody in a venue gets used to a way of doing things...  You go through the motions. Muscle memory. I think that makes more sense for the incompetence. NOBODY was ready for this. And one little weasel found out how. It didn't make him a good shot though. Just  good weasel.

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« Reply #717 on: July 22, 2024, 08:48:53 pm »
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That was a very good vid. I was a bit surprised how much the ear distorted... Betcha he ain't sleeping on that side of his head for a while.... I was not surprised by the 300 Win damage though.


And that was filmed at the Desperado Ranch - Matt Carriker's place... I watched him build that range last winter.  :beer:

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« Reply #718 on: July 22, 2024, 08:57:43 pm »
Shocker: One officer WAS assigned to roof at Trump rally, but abandoned post for this reason

WND By Joe Kovacs July 22, 2024

Tucker Carlson: 'Things are totally out of control – they can do ANYTHING, and nobody can do anything about it'

A U.S. senator is demanding answers from the head of Joe Biden's Department of Homeland Security to allegations there was a law enforcement agent assigned to the roof on which former President Trump's shooter was perched, but abandoned that post because of "hot weather."

In a Monday letter to DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, U.S. Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., wrote about the security failures of Secret Service Director Kim Cheatle.

"Additional whistleblowers have contacted my office with troubling information about the assassination attempt on former President Donald J. Trump," Hawley began.

"Contrary to Director Cheatle's public statements about the 'safety' of the sloped roof of the American Glass Research Building 6, one whistleblower with direct knowledge of Secret Service planning for the event alleges that there was supposed to be law enforcement presence on the roof that day.

"In fact, the whistleblower alleges that at least one individual was specifically assigned to the roof for the duration of the rally, but this person abandoned his or her post due to the hot weather.

More: https://www.wnd.com/2024/07/shocker-one-officer-was-assigned-to-roof-at-trump-rally-but-abandoned-post-for-this-reason/

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« Reply #719 on: July 22, 2024, 09:15:17 pm »
Well, that 5.56 is within it's window... Pretty much it's optimal window. And the caliber is enough in the technical aspect of the thing, according to what I have been told... I am converting it to .223/.243 because I don't speak NATO, but if that is fair, 130 yards is not a terrible far shot for that gun.

But 'getting close' was more luck than sense, it seems to me. Somewhere between 5 and 11 rounds sent downrange. All misses. All of em. That one got close seems damn lucky to me. That's some piss-pour shooting right there. My buddies would laugh their asses off at me if I missed that many. My old man would dang near disown me.

Now, maybe it's different somehow because it's a semi-auto - I don't know. But with any regular deer rifle - *just* a deer rifle, with a crappy, run-of-the-mill Redfield/Weaver wally-world scope at 130 yards - Defined, known yardage... He used a dang rangefinder.... All that considered, with a clear day and not much wind...

That's an easy body shot. And I would be on the center of a pie plate in two. And I ain't no marvel. I'm pretty average around here.

I know everybody is up in arms... I know everybody wants to make this a big conspiracy... But it was a clown-show, all the way around. Not only  the shooter - but the response... The security, all the way around. The only guy in the whole damn show that brought home the bacon was the feller who put him down... And even that wasn't all that. It was a nice shot. That's all... Nice. It wasn't no Matthew Quigley thing. It ain't saying much. Just a good job.

That's the thing for me. It's hard - Damn hard - to assign all this conspiracy theory to such a major shit show. Yeah... I can buy that they were purposefully starving his security team - I get that... That's the sort of back-bitey thing a democrat administration would do. But Tumpy is rich. If he felt he was having trouble, why didn't he buy a handful of aces from the private sector?Why didn't he have his own dudes?

Sounds to me like it was all too much normal seepage - Everybody in a venue gets used to a way of doing things...  You go through the motions. Muscle memory. I think that makes more sense for the incompetence. NOBODY was ready for this. And one little weasel found out how. It didn't make him a good shot though. Just  good weasel.

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Well the 5.56 is considered effective to 500 yards, not that I'd be hunting moose with one. At 100 yards, the mere .22LR (Standard Velocity) is considered to be grouping well at a 2 inch group (2 MOA), the 5.56 should shoot inside that a a matter of course between 1 MOA and 2 MOA, or about 1-1 1/2" groups at 100 yards (or smaller).

IOW, the round was theoretically suitable to the task. ENough energy and eeasily capable of 2" groups at that range in reasonably skilled hands. Simply put, had Trump not turned his head and leaned slightly forward, it could have been fatal (most likely would have been).

This is the same round we have sent troops into battle with since VietNam, and the M4 (successor to the M-16) still uses the same round, just a little heavier ammo now, up from the old 55 grain FMJ. It may not be the perfect bench rest round, but any decent rifle with factory ammo should have been more than able to make the shot. His choice of optics may have hindered him, more power and a better reticle would have been better suited to the task, but either way, if the rifle was zeroed properly, with point of impact at 100 yards centered on the 4MOA red dot sight image he is supposed to have had, he should have been able to make the shot had Trump kept facing the crowd, standing erect at the podium.

That is something to consider, that his animated gesture (leaning forward, turning his head) toward the graph literally saved his life. Even then, the apparent hit was high on the ear, and close to the skull. Half an inch could have made a huge difference. Standing as usual would have likely been fatal.

He, as I believe all of us, will meet Almighty God some day, but that was not the day.
Credit that where you will, but it was not because the tools were not sufficient to the task.

After the first shot 'missed' (it did not, actually, but the placement turned out to be ineffective), I would bet the shooter (if Crooks) got 'buck fever' and got a lot poorer at aiming. Breathing control is essential to pinpoint accuracy, and likely he did not have it. I have seen even seasoned hunters get it, it's an adrenalline letoff after making a good shot, but no doubt that boy was either well medicated or got rattled. I would not expect that from a pro, but after the first three rounds, Trump was pretty well out of direct line of sight and line of fire, until, that is, the SS crew stood him up again, at which point if the lone gunman scenario was to be preserved, any pro 'backup' shooter (which I believe existed) could not take a shot without killing the narrative, because the patsy was down.
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #720 on: July 22, 2024, 09:24:30 pm »

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1815454670367699258

This account here is the most damning testimony of the day.  Throughout the hearing, Cheatle's response to every question asked was one of hesitation and/or obfuscation.  Every question but one.  At the 0:59 mark, Cheatle answered this question with zero hesitation.  Zero:

Rep. Luna:  "Do you think [the shooter] was acting alone?"

Director Cheatle: "I do."


An entire hearing of testimony.  And the only 'truth' Cheatle had an urgency to get on the record was that the shooter acted alone - that there was no co-conspirator.  She doesn't know how many shots were fired.  She doesn't know who was in charge.  She doesn't know if any of her agents investigated that rooftop in advance of the event.  But she knows with perfect clarity that the shooter acted alone.
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« Reply #721 on: July 22, 2024, 09:30:03 pm »
That was a very good vid. I was a bit surprised how much the ear distorted... Betcha he ain't sleeping on that side of his head for a while.... I was not surprised by the 300 Win damage though.


And that was filmed at the Desperado Ranch - Matt Carriker's place... I watched him build that range last winter.  :beer:
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« Reply #722 on: July 22, 2024, 09:46:54 pm »
This account here is the most damning testimony of the day.  Throughout the hearing, Cheatle's response to every question asked was one of hesitation and/or obfuscation.  Every question but one.  At the 0:59 mark, Cheatle answered this question with zero hesitation.  Zero:

Rep. Luna:  "Do you think [the shooter] was acting alone?"

Director Cheatle: "I do."


An entire hearing of testimony.  And the only 'truth' Cheatle had an urgency to get on the record was that the shooter acted alone - that there was no co-conspirator.  She doesn't know how many shots were fired.  She doesn't know who was in charge.  She doesn't know if any of her agents investigated that rooftop in advance of the event.  But she knows with perfect clarity that the shooter acted alone.
Well, that is the only narrative point they have agreed upon.
The idea that they let two (or more) shooters breach their alleged security cordon would be considerable egg on their faces, and it might be easier for the rubes to swallow the lone gunman idea who slipped through, despite their herculean efforts to keep Trump safe...or some such BS.

I would guess that there were two shooters, a patsy and a pro, and that the bad security, led by the SS, was compromised in at least as much as being downplayed, information/observations stovepiped*, and not having a common channel all could readily communicate on and monitor.

Whether or not there was a conspiracy, and that touched the security end of things more deeply, I will not speculate at this time, but I will not rule it out and tend to suspect that may have been the case. CYA mode is normal either way, only there just isn't enough to cover these asses, considering they are supposed to be on the top tier of personal security, and the political motivation to compromise the principal is just too great, despite that supposedly not being a factor in the quality of services rendered.

*As happened prior to 9/11, agencies supposedly working on counterterrorism had distinct and separate channels of communication. had they been able to compare notes and put the pieces together, the attacks may have been preventable. But when one agency sees one piece of the puzzle (which in itself may seem notable, but not imminently significant) and another agency sees another piece, the puzzle pieces which may otherwise have been assembled to form a more complete threat picture may get lost within their respective organizations' data, because they individually do not seem to constitute a threat, which might be more obvious were those bits combined.
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #723 on: July 22, 2024, 09:49:51 pm »
Well the 5.56 is considered effective to 500 yards, not that I'd be hunting moose with one. At 100 yards, the mere .22LR (Standard Velocity) is considered to be grouping well at a 2 inch group (2 MOA), the 5.56 should shoot inside that a a matter of course between 1 MOA and 2 MOA, or about 1-1 1/2" groups at 100 yards (or smaller).

IOW, the round was theoretically suitable to the task. ENough energy and eeasily capable of 2" groups at that range in reasonably skilled hands. Simply put, had Trump not turned his head and leaned slightly forward, it could have been fatal (most likely would have been).

This is the same round we have sent troops into battle with since VietNam, and the M4 (successor to the M-16) still uses the same round, just a little heavier ammo now, up from the old 55 grain FMJ. It may not be the perfect bench rest round, but any decent rifle with factory ammo should have been more than able to make the shot. His choice of optics may have hindered him, more power and a better reticle would have been better suited to the task, but either way, if the rifle was zeroed properly, with point of impact at 100 yards centered on the 4MOA red dot sight image he is supposed to have had, he should have been able to make the shot had Trump kept facing the crowd, standing erect at the podium.

That is something to consider, that his animated gesture (leaning forward, turning his head) toward the graph literally saved his life. Even then, the apparent hit was high on the ear, and close to the skull. Half an inch could have made a huge difference. Standing as usual would have likely been fatal.

He, as I believe all of us, will meet Almighty God some day, but that was not the day.
Credit that where you will, but it was not because the tools were not sufficient to the task.

After the first shot 'missed' (it did not, actually, but the placement turned out to be ineffective), I would bet the shooter (if Crooks) got 'buck fever' and got a lot poorer at aiming. Breathing control is essential to pinpoint accuracy, and likely he did not have it. I have seen even seasoned hunters get it, it's an adrenalline letoff after making a good shot, but no doubt that boy was either well medicated or got rattled. I would not expect that from a pro, but after the first three rounds, Trump was pretty well out of direct line of sight and line of fire, until, that is, the SS crew stood him up again, at which point if the lone gunman scenario was to be preserved, any pro 'backup' shooter (which I believe existed) could not take a shot without killing the narrative, because the patsy was down.

But there were at least three shots before he ducked... in a row... ALL missed.

One of the things I took from @GtHawk 's vid just above... He (the guy in the vid) suggests the 5'56 he was using was a fair replica of the shooter's weapon... Taking particular time with the optics, which are evidently unmagnified red-dot stuff.. Totally peculiar to me... But there is a portion of his vid wherein he shows the perspective of the shooter from 130 yds, with a head-and-shoulders ballistic dummy being shown through the sight on that rifle...

FOR SURE, the optics were inferior to the task. And that does a whole lot to explain the wide MOA.
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #724 on: July 22, 2024, 09:53:22 pm »
But there were at least three shots before he ducked... in a row... ALL missed.

One of the things I took from @GtHawk 's vid just above... He (the guy in the vid) suggests the 5'56 he was using was a fair replica of the shooter's weapon... Taking particular time with the optics, which are evidently unmagnified red-dot stuff.. Totally peculiar to me... But there is a portion of his vid wherein he shows the perspective of the shooter from 130 yds, with a head-and-shoulders ballistic dummy being shown through the sight on that rifle...

FOR SURE, the optics were inferior to the task. And that does a whole lot to explain the wide MOA.
Keep in mind the first shot would have been a kill shot if Trump had not moved. He had longer to set up for the first one. Recoil on a Stoner variant in 5.56 is not much, but enough to shift the point of aim. By the third shot, and I'd have to watch again to verify, Trump had reached up to his ear and was on his way down, ducking.
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