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« Reply #151 on: July 15, 2024, 04:41:27 pm »
Assuming the FBI has any interest at all in finding answers. Will they scour the grounds for every one of the eight rounds Crooks supposedly shot? Will they run ballistics to see whether they all were fired from his father's rifle? I'm not confident they want to find the truth. If they were, they wouldn't be announcing barely 36 hours after the shooting, "Gee golly, we just can't get into the kid's phone. Oh well. But we know he acted alone."

If they were they would have been on the scene all night and all day until they were satisfied there was nothing else to find. They were not.
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #152 on: July 15, 2024, 04:45:02 pm »
From what I'm seeing on Pittsburgh news, they spent a lot of time at his parents' house. Maybe they were too busy there to bother with the actual crime scene.

I'm going to Pittsburgh on Wednesday and plan to take my alternate route home so that I can pass by the street on which the parents live (I'll be on an intersecting street). It will be interesting to see whether the cops still have the neighborhood shut down.
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #153 on: July 15, 2024, 05:04:23 pm »
Mayorkas Announces Secret Service Detail for RFK Jr...

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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #154 on: July 15, 2024, 05:28:16 pm »
I think you meant .223, and there are ballistic differences. Still, it was his windage and a turn of the head that kept the shot from being lethal, not a question of bullet drop or lack of it.

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« Reply #155 on: July 15, 2024, 05:33:34 pm »
Mayorkas Announces Secret Service Detail for RFK Jr...

Damn well about time. Should have been authorized a year or more ago. I could not think of voting for him, but he's a Bonafide Presidential candidate. IMO, LIEden viewed RFK Jr. as a traitor to the Dem Party and withheld Secret Service for that.
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« Reply #156 on: July 15, 2024, 05:39:09 pm »
5.56 mm is still a little smaller than 0.223" by about 0.004", about the thickness of common 20 lb paper. Wouldn't that be important? A 0.223 round in a 5.56 rifle would be a tight fit wouldn't it?

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« Reply #158 on: July 15, 2024, 05:47:28 pm »
I've been watching and reading everything I could find about this incident for more than 48 hours now and think I have some idea about what took place. If what I think took place is true, you'll see it only here so pay attention.

The people responsible for this set the young man up to be the patsy (hat tip @jafo2010 ) used him to make sure he drew all the attention while the actual pro was on the roof of the building just behind the one the kid was on wearing attire (rifle and all) that blended with the building. When the kid opened up, the pro took one shot (the one that nearly did the job). When the counter snipers opened up on he kid, the pro slid down from his perch, got in his car, and calmly drove away.

Call me anything you want but that's what I think and it fits the MO.

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Three Quick Reasons to Question Everything About the Assassination Plot
by JD Rucker  July 15, 2024
This week I will be talking to a few “insiders” to try to glean what’s really happening with the assassination plot against President Donald J. Trump. I’m not willing to blindly accept that this random “lone wolf” was able to defeat both the Secret Service and local law enforcement.

No, Trump didn’t die (praise God!) but if not for a quick turn of the head he would have. That means that the Secret Service and their law enforcement partners failed miserably.

Most conservative pundits are blaming DEI so Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle should be fired. Some are saying they were understaffed so it’s Alejandro Mayorkas’s fault. There are a lot of fingers pointing at Democrats and corporate media for feeding the “Hitler” rhetoric to as many Americans as they can get to listen.

None of that matters, in my humble opinion, because it does not excuse that a dude with a rifle achieved a prime spot on a nearby rooftop in plain view of the crowd, local law enforcement, and Secret Service snipers. With so many forces arrayed against him, he was still able to get off one clean shot and seven other shots. He killed one and injured three. The chances of that happening without inside collusion from the upper brass are pretty low.

But gross incompetence does exist, so the fact that it happened isn’t enough to make me question everything. There are two other reasons I’m not buying the “indoctrinated lone wolf” narrative. Combined, I’m smelling a rat.

Matt Walsh from Dailywire posted thoughts on X earlier that hinted at one of the red flags I’ve been considering. He wrote [emphasis added]:

Here’s the official story so far: a random 20 year old acting completely alone walked within 150 yards of a presidential campaign rally with a rifle, climbed onto a rooftop in full view of Secret Service snipers, set up his shot and fired without anyone intervening and with no help from anyone. This 20 year old is also so politically radical as to attempt an assassination and yet not radical enough to have ever posted any political writings or commentary on any social media site ever in his life. He also wrote no manifesto and left behind no indication about why he did it. His last and only political act, before attempting to kill the Republican candidate, was to register as a Republican. You must believe this and ask no questions about it or else you are a conspiracy theorist. And one thing we know about assassination attempts is that there’s never any conspiring involved.

There are always signs. Even in the rare case when a mass shooter or political assassin doesn’t leave behind a manifesto or political writing on social media, interviews with people who know him invariably highlight signs of aggression, radicalization, or… something. In this case, none of his classmates, friends, or co-workers saw it coming. The lack of any signs, works, or messages is unique and smells doubly like a rat was involved.

The third and final element that makes me question the entire narrative is the timing. Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the “Deep State” had decided Joe Biden can’t win even if he cheats, nobody they replace him with could win even if they cheat, and whoever the Republican nominee is would need to be under their thumb.

Go ahead and put your tinfoil hats on because this is where it gets a bit crazier.

Desperate, the Deep State decides they need to take Trump out. But here’s the thing. If they do it after the Republican National Convention, it would be up to the RNC members to pick his replacement and they would almost certainly pick whoever Trump announces as his VP during the convention.
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #159 on: July 15, 2024, 05:52:28 pm »
From reply 89 above:
Quantico reportedly cannot get into the alleged shooter’s cell phone, who they state: "Acted alone."

Was it an iPhone?
Or... was it something else?

Remember that incident out west where the muzzie pair shot and killed a bunch of people in San Bernardino?

I believe that Apple refused to unlock the terrorist's iPhone in that case, and the FBI had to go "out-of-country" to find another security firm that could get into it (which the 3rd party company succeeded in doing).

Hmmm, looks like they "got into it" (from replies above)...
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #160 on: July 15, 2024, 05:56:27 pm »
Wylde chambers have been around for a long time and the velocity differences between 5.56 and .223 ammo at 130 yds would be so minor as to be irrelevant. Just my opinion in the last part..
That leaves the wind, blowing onto the stage, and a turn of the head and leaning slightly forward onto the podium...

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« Reply #161 on: July 15, 2024, 06:03:21 pm »
5.56 mm is still a little smaller than 0.223" by about 0.004", about the thickness of common 20 lb paper. Wouldn't that be important? A 0.223 round in a 5.56 rifle would be a tight fit wouldn't it?
Actually, the same bullet. The difference is in cartridge internal dimensions and chamber pressure.

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/.223_Remington
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The .223 Remington is a cartridge with almost the same external dimensions as the 5.56×45mm NATO military cartridge. The name is commonly pronounced either two-two-three or two-twenty-three. It is loaded with a 0.224-inch (5.7 mm) diameter jacketed bullet, with weights ranging from 40 to 90 grains (2.6 to 5.8 g),[citation needed] though the most common loading by far is 55 grains (3.6 g).[citation needed]

While the external case dimensions are very similar, the .223 Remington and 5.56x45mm differ in both maximum pressure and chamber shape. The maximum and mean pressures for some varieties of the 5.56 mm (different cartridge designations have different standards) exceed the SAAMI maxima for the .223 Remington, and the methods for measuring pressures differ between NATO and SAAMI.[2] The 5.56 mm chamber specification has also changed since its adoption, as the current military loading (NATO SS-109 or US M855) uses longer, heavier bullets than the original loading. This has resulted in a lengthening of the throat in the 5.56 mm chamber. Thus, while .223 Remington ammunition can be safely fired in a 5.56 mm chambered gun, firing 5.56 mm ammunition in a .223 Remington chamber may produce pressures in excess of even the 5.56 mm specifications due to the shorter throat.
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #162 on: July 15, 2024, 06:21:07 pm »
FBI gains access to Trump shooter’s phone
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July 15, 2024 5:58 pm
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FBI specialists gained access to Thomas Matthew Crooks’s phone and were analyzing it as part of an investigation into the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump, the bureau announced Monday.

The FBI said its investigation into the shooting at Trump’s campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, was still in an early stage as agents continue to search for answers about Crooks, the 20-year-old who authorities say opened fire on rallygoers, killing one and critically injuring two.

Investigators have conducted more than 100 interviews of law enforcement officers and witnesses and have completed searches of Crooks’s home and vehicle, the FBI said.

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« Reply #163 on: July 15, 2024, 06:23:46 pm »
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He was just too sophisticated for the FBI, first with the ladder, who could have predicted that, really just top strat, and now with the 4 digit pin locking his phone, phew, this guy must be sole sort of genius, we at the FBI are just in awe, he really got us this time.
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« Reply #164 on: July 15, 2024, 06:27:49 pm »
If this is Crooks, it's kind of weird. A video from when he was still in HS.
Not sure why he attended a tech school in Jefferson Hills, which is a different school district from Bethel Park and several miles awy. Perhaps BP doesn't have a tech school, I don't know.

TMZ has obtained footage of Thomas Matthew Crooks claiming he had a 10-inch pen*s. The video was reportedly taken in February of 2020 at Steel Center Career and Technical Education in Jefferson Hills, Pennsylvania.  ...

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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #167 on: July 15, 2024, 06:43:50 pm »
Actually, the same bullet. The difference is in cartridge internal dimensions and chamber pressure.

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/.223_Remington

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« Reply #168 on: July 15, 2024, 06:45:53 pm »
Video of Dan Bongino on the apocalyptic security failure of July 13. It's 48 minutes long, and I haven't watched it (having seen him interviewed on several other programs yesterday), and I don't know whether he says anything different from those interviews, but FYI.
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« Reply #169 on: July 15, 2024, 06:48:13 pm »
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« Reply #170 on: July 15, 2024, 06:48:32 pm »
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Re: Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]
« Reply #171 on: July 15, 2024, 06:48:57 pm »
This woman says there was a shooter on the water tower.

https://twitter.com/pepesgrandma/status/1812961622035398990

More on the water tower:

https://twitter.com/GabeAintWoke/status/1812747165191549164
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« Reply #172 on: July 15, 2024, 06:51:00 pm »
This woman says there was a shooter on the water tower.

https://twitter.com/pepesgrandma/status/1812961622035398990

The water tower is the new knoll.  Oh my!
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« Reply #173 on: July 15, 2024, 06:54:42 pm »
The building near the water tower may have reflected the sound so it sounded like something coming from that direction. With the longer reflection path it would be significantly more delayed.

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« Reply #174 on: July 15, 2024, 06:55:16 pm »
The water tower is the new knoll.  Oh my!
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