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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #800 on: May 31, 2024, 01:18:37 pm »
Ah the GOPBR circular firing squad has started.

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« Reply #801 on: May 31, 2024, 01:22:06 pm »
'Disservice to the nation': Former VP Pence breaks silence on Trump's NYC conviction

Pence has said he will not endorse former President Trump in 2024
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 Former Vice President Mike Pence reacted on Friday to the criminal conviction of former President Donald Trump in a New York City courtroom and said a "terrible message" has been sent.

"The conviction of former President Trump on politically motivated charges is an outrage and disservice to the nation," Pence told Fox News Digital.

"No one is above the law, but our courts must not become a tool to be used against political opponents," Pence continued. "To millions of Americans, this was nothing more than a political prosecution driven by a Manhattan DA who ran for office on a pledge to indict the former president and this conviction undermines confidence in our system of justice."

more at:  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/disservice-nation-former-vp-pence-breaks-silence-trumps-nyc-conviction
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #802 on: May 31, 2024, 01:26:15 pm »
'Disservice to the nation': Former VP Pence breaks silence on Trump's NYC conviction

Pence has said he will not endorse former President Trump in 2024
By Andrew Mark Miller

 Former Vice President Mike Pence reacted on Friday to the criminal conviction of former President Donald Trump in a New York City courtroom and said a "terrible message" has been sent.

"The conviction of former President Trump on politically motivated charges is an outrage and disservice to the nation," Pence told Fox News Digital.

"No one is above the law, but our courts must not become a tool to be used against political opponents," Pence continued. "To millions of Americans, this was nothing more than a political prosecution driven by a Manhattan DA who ran for office on a pledge to indict the former president and this conviction undermines confidence in our system of justice."

more at:  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/disservice-nation-former-vp-pence-breaks-silence-trumps-nyc-conviction

I'm sorry but I no longer GAF what Mike Pence says about anything!
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #803 on: May 31, 2024, 01:27:48 pm »
Ah the GOPBR circular firing squad has started.

Not at all!

Said what I felt and will not engage anyone on it further.  No point in it...    :beer:
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #804 on: May 31, 2024, 01:37:58 pm »
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Joe Biden called a Press Conference and used Israel as a pretext to throw President Trump under the bus! SHAMEFUL
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« Reply #806 on: May 31, 2024, 01:39:50 pm »
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The fact that people still actually believe that our criminal legal system is fair & gives defendants a real chance at justice is laughable. 95%+ of all cases end in conviction. How can anyone possibly argue such a rigged system is fair?! Trump is unfortunately the latest victim
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« Reply #807 on: May 31, 2024, 01:41:04 pm »
   Jim Jordan is reminding me more each day of Darrell Issa and Trey Gowdy.  All hat and no cattle.

Like all Repukes.

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« Reply #808 on: May 31, 2024, 01:41:16 pm »
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The undeniable fact is Donald Trump went through the same legal process that all Americans go through, he was tried according to the facts and the law, and he was found guilty by a jury of his peers.

Donald Trump is now a convicted felon.
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« Reply #809 on: May 31, 2024, 01:42:05 pm »
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Except we all know that it was rigged by you and your crooked friends. That's why the number three guy at Biden's DOJ joined Bragg's office and the entire case was overseen by a Biden donor Judge whose daughter is literally a Democrat political operative! #RiggedSystem
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« Reply #810 on: May 31, 2024, 01:42:32 pm »
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Smart move to comment on jailing his leading political opponent while also shitting all over Israel.
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« Reply #811 on: May 31, 2024, 01:44:10 pm »
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The undeniable fact is Donald Trump went through the same legal process that all Americans go through, he was tried according to the facts and the law, and he was found guilty by a jury of his peers.

Donald Trump is now a convicted felon.

NEVER vote for a Democrat for any office in this land. Schoolhouse to Whitehouse!
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #814 on: May 31, 2024, 02:01:33 pm »
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Dear Elected Republicans,

Save us your cable news tears and strongly worded statements. No one gives a shit. Your feeble weakness and uselessness is the reason this is happening in the first place.

Action is all that matters now.

Want to save America?

Indict Biden family members.

The Biden family ran multiple criminal schemes in red states. Let’s start in Florida. Jim Biden committed medical fraud and embezzlement in Florida. Florida is a rock solid red state. Charge Biden’s brother. Do it now. Trial in a Trump +50 county. Make sure the judge donated to Trump and the jury all wear MAGA hats. *Nothing* is stopping Florida Republicans from doing this. The Biden’s committed legitimate crimes in this state defrauding Medicaid and investors.

Texas could indict Hunter Biden *today* for a fraudulent scheme to sell the states natural gas LNG ports to Chinese communists. This is all real and very well documented.

Joe Biden facilitated all of these deals and can be added to these criminal cases once he’s out of office.

And it’s not just the Biden’s.

Did you know that the Clinton Foundation is actually run out of Arkansas? International Money laundering, pay-for-play, child trafficking, embezzlement etc. Real heinous crimes. Did you know The District Attorney of Little Rock is a Trump Republican. Open the investigation now, today.

These are just a few examples.

This ends ONLY when Democrats become the victims in the destruction of a fair and impartial judicial system. When they feel the pain. When their families and children and presidential candidates are locked away.

Enough mulling and bitching Republicans.

Time for action. Now.

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #817 on: May 31, 2024, 02:14:52 pm »
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The undeniable fact is Donald Trump went through the same legal process that all Americans go through, he was tried according to the facts and the law, and he was found guilty by a jury of his peers.


Donald Trump is now a convicted felon
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Well Chuck, so was Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #820 on: May 31, 2024, 02:35:04 pm »
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It’s nice to see all these politicians posting their sweet messages for President Trump, vowing to fight for him. What the hell have you people been doing for the last 9 years!? Tish James told us 5 years ago she was out on a personal vendetta to get Trump. What did you all do about it? Most sat back, watched and tweeted empty threats!
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #821 on: May 31, 2024, 02:35:12 pm »
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The media are repeatedly reporting that President Trump faces possible jail time, then the commentators give their opinions.  To further underscore my point, that an effort needs to be made to get this matter before the Supreme Court, we now have a situation where a single acting state judge, a thoroughly conflicted Democrat, will determine if President Trump is free to campaign?  It is bad enough that the fact of this event has already significantly changed the campaign and the justice system.  But to allow it to persist, get worse, and further enshrined in out system requires the intervention of the Supreme Court.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #822 on: May 31, 2024, 02:38:07 pm »
1.) Michael Cohen was a lawyer ... engaged in a criminal activity ... as a co-conpirator ... in a criminal conspiracy ... to violate Federal Election Campaign Contribution Laws ...

Trump wasn't on trial for violating campaign contribution laws.  Nor was he a co-conspirator with Cohen since Cohen was stealing from him.  As for the business records, his accountants and bookkeepers did indeed keep legal records with all taxes paid in full and no one defrauded.


2.) Michael Cohen did not submit "legal bills" to Donald Trump ... The Trump Org created false invoices for an amount greater than $130,000 ... to conceal an illegal in-kind political contribution as a business expense for the Trump Org and as 1099 taxable income for Michael Cohen.

One does not have to submit a bill in order to be paid.  The Trump LLC did not create false invoices.  The payments made matched the records exactly.  And there was nothing "illegal" about the contribution.   The fact that a 1099 was issued proves it.  So if Cohen failed to pay taxes on that 1099 amount, then that's on him.


3.) The payment invoices were fraudulently logged as business legal expenses by the Trump Org CFO to conceal Michael Cohen's illegal in-kind campaign contribution of $130,000 to the benefit of the Trump 2016 campaign that was used to prevent the public release of the Stormy Daniels encounter.

You keep using this term 'fraudulent'.  Yet you still are unable to explain who was defrauded.  You also continue to wrongly describe the payment to Daniels as "illegal" when there is nothing at all illegal about it.  Just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegal.  Trump can pay out money to whomever he wants.  As for Stormy Daniels, that story had already come forward in 2011.  So it would be pretty damn hard for Trump to commit a felony in 2017 to prevent a story published in 2011 from public release in 2016.  Do the math.




4.) The fraud was Trump Org (registered in and regulated by the State of New York) CFO and CEO's falsifying business records to conceal the commission of other crimes.

There was no concealment.  The payments were logged in the books.  There was no fraud.  No one was defrauded.  There were no other crimes.  (See:  Logical Fallacies - Begging the Question)


5.) The acts of a conspiracy, formed in 2015, to prevent the publication of embarassing, but true, information throughout the Trump 2016 Campaign

Information that had been public knowledge since 2011.


. . . that included Michael Cohen making an illegal in-kind $130,000 campaign contribution made in October, 2016 . . .

Michael Cohen wasn't on trial.  And Trump was not on trial for anything that occurred in 2016.


.  .  . and using fraudulent Trump Org business invoices and checks in 2017 .  .  .

Repeatedly calling it "fraudulent" does not make it fraudulent.  (See:  Begging the question)


.  .  .  to conceal that illegal $130,000 in-kind political contribution .  .  .

It wasn't illegal.


.  .  . may have impacted the results of the 2016 Presidential election ...

Trump wasn't on trial for anything that occurred before the 2016 election.


... but we'll never really know because the conspiracy . . .

Conspiracy?  ROFL


.  .  .  formed in 2015, carried out in 2016 . . .

None of which was illegal (except for the part where Cohen stole money from a vendor).


.  .  .  and concealed by fraudulent 2017 Trump Org invoices and checks  .  .  .

There you go again, using that word "fraudulent" without identifying the fraud.


.  .  . deprived the American voters of the opportunity to make that decision for themselves.


Pure unadulterated BULLSHIT.  Lies make Jesus cry.  You can go back to 2016 on this very forum and read posters here talking about Stormy Daniels.  Stop lying already.  Nobody blocked you from voting against Trump in 2016.  You were deprived of nothing.


.  .  .  The 2017 Trump Org fraudulent invoices and checks .  .  .

They weren't fraudulent.


.  .  .  were payment and concealment of Michael Cohen's October, 2016, $130,000 illegal in-kind campaign contribution .  .  .

It wasn't illegal.


.  .  .   to keep Stormy Daniels out of the news .  .  .

Political campaigns do that all the time.  Ever hear of Mary Jo Kopechne?  Guess what bought her parents' silence?


.  .  .  s as part of the 2015 conspiracy to capture and kill stories that my harm the Trump 2016 Campaign.

Not illegal.  Not even close.


.  .  .  If Trump had paid $130,000 out of his personal checking account, instead of Trump Org funds, to pay-off Stormy Daniels, there would have been no crime committed.  .  .  .

Whoa, wait just a minute.  You've been telling us this whole time that paying off someone to keep something out of the news.  But now you say it isn't?  Make up your mind.  And the Trump LLC can do whatever the hell it wants with its money.   It can write out checks to whomever or whatever it wants.  It only has one stockholder.  And I seriously doubt that one stockholder would object.

So again, where is the fraud?  Where is the felony? @DefiantMassRINO
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #823 on: May 31, 2024, 02:39:07 pm »
1.) Michael Cohen was a lawyer ... engaged in a criminal activity ... as a co-conpirator ... in a criminal conspiracy ... to violate Federal Election Campaign Contribution Laws ... by means of fraudulent business records ... of an LLC/Corp (Trump Org) registered in, and regulated by, the State of New York ... and obligated to maintain proper, legal, accurate business records for tax and legal reasons.  Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to Federal charges for this same conduct.

2.) Michael Cohen did not submit "legal bills" to Donald Trump ... The Trump Org created false invoices for an amount greater than $130,000 ... to conceal an illegal in-kind political contribution as a business expense for the Trump Org and as 1099 taxable income for Michael Cohen.

3.) The payment invoices were fraudulently logged as business legal expenses by the Trump Org CFO to conceal Michael Cohen's illegal in-kind campaign contribution of $130,000 to the benefit of the Trump 2016 campaign that was used to prevent the public release of the Stormy Daniels encounter.

4.) The fraud was Trump Org (registered in and regulated by the State of New York) CFO and CEO's falsifying business records to conceal the commission of other crimes.

5.) The acts of a conspiracy, formed in 2015, to prevent the publication of embarassing, but true, information throughout the Trump 2016 Campaign, that included Michael Cohen making an illegal in-kind $130,000 campaign contribution made in October, 2016, to hide truth from American voters to benefit the Trump 2016 campaign, and using fraudulent Trump Org business invoices and checks in 2017 to conceal that illegal $130,000 in-kind political contribution, may have impacted the results of the 2016 Presidential election ... but we'll never really know because the conspiracy, formed in 2015, carried out in 2016, and concealed by fraudulent 2017 Trump Org invoices and checks deprived the American voters of the opportunity to make that decision for themselves.

The 2017 Trump Org fraudulent invoices and checks were payment and concealment of Michael Cohen's October, 2016, $130,000 illegal in-kind campaign contribution to keep Stormy Daniels out of the news as part of the 2015 conspiracy to capture and kill stories that my harm the Trump 2016 Campaign.

If Trump had paid $130,000 out of his personal checking account, instead of Trump Org funds, to pay-off Stormy Daniels, there would have been no crime committed.  It was the cover-up of the October, 2016, payment to Stormy Daniels that is the crime.

Much like Watergate, it was the cover-up and follow the money that got Trump in legal trouble.

@DefiantMassRINO Thank You... for clarifying in layman terms. And for the record, I have not seen you defend Biden in any way, no more than myself.
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« Reply #824 on: May 31, 2024, 02:42:41 pm »
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EXACTLY!! 
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #825 on: May 31, 2024, 03:02:09 pm »
What do you call this?  :pondering:

Previously:  “The Supreme Court blocked it,” Mr. Biden added, “but that didn’t stop me.”

Today: “The justice system should be respected, and we should never allow anyone to tear it down. It’s as simple as that,” Biden said. “That’s America. That’s who we are. And that’s who we’ll always be, God willing.”
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« Reply #826 on: May 31, 2024, 03:08:48 pm »
What do you call this?  :pondering:

Previously:  “The Supreme Court blocked it,” Mr. Biden added, “but that didn’t stop me.”

Today: “The justice system should be respected, and we should never allow anyone to tear it down. It’s as simple as that,” Biden said. “That’s America. That’s who we are. And that’s who we’ll always be, God willing.”

Gross hypocracy! Next question.
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« Reply #827 on: May 31, 2024, 03:11:43 pm »
@DefiantMassRINO And for the record, I have not seen you defend Biden in any way,

Same here
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« Reply #828 on: May 31, 2024, 03:21:31 pm »
The View's Joy Behar says she wet herself in Costco when Trump verdict
 was announced as overexcited hosts delight in conviction


The View hosts have reacted to the criminal conviction of former president Donald Trump - which excited Joy Behar so much that she wet herself.

While the ladies of The View don't usually film the show live on Fridays, they all gathered today to react to the Republican's guilty verdict in his Manhattan hush money trial.

'I was at Costco buying 10 boxes of Keurig coffee,' Joy shared with viewers.


'My watch started to buzz, and I got so excited, I started leaking a little bit.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13481425/view-joy-behar-costco-trump-verdict-trial-conviction.html
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« Reply #829 on: May 31, 2024, 03:21:54 pm »
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #830 on: May 31, 2024, 03:21:58 pm »
What do you call this?  :pondering:

Previously:  “The Supreme Court blocked it,” Mr. Biden added, “but that didn’t stop me.”

Today: “The justice system should be respected, and we should never allow anyone to tear it down. It’s as simple as that,” Biden said. “That’s America. That’s who we are. And that’s who we’ll always be, God willing.”

No doubt there is a double standard. Biden seems above the law, same as Hillary.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #831 on: May 31, 2024, 03:47:02 pm »
The American people are who was defrauded, @Hoodat .
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« Reply #832 on: May 31, 2024, 03:55:27 pm »
The American people are who was defrauded, @Hoodat .

By the court.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #834 on: May 31, 2024, 05:03:27 pm »
@DefiantMassRINO Thank You... for clarifying in layman terms. And for the record, I have not seen you defend Biden in any way, no more than myself.

@DefiantMassRINO hasn't explained a damn thing so I'll see if I can help.

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #835 on: May 31, 2024, 05:06:13 pm »
Perfect!


https://twitter.com/LaCivitaC/status/1796638231871590661

Evil.  His grin reminds of Jack Nicholson's grin in the "Shining".

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #836 on: May 31, 2024, 05:08:53 pm »
By the court.
I still remember the "Lyin' Ted" smears that were part of the same coordinated campaign between Trump and the Enquirer. Make no mistake, Trump was against us as much as, if not more than, the Democrats to whom he had been donating money all along.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #837 on: May 31, 2024, 05:21:03 pm »
Bigun wrote:
"I'd make a sizable wager that @DefiantMassRINO has NEVER cast a vote for a republican in his entire life."

He also admitted in this forum that he voted for obama, not once, but TWICE.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #838 on: May 31, 2024, 05:37:17 pm »
Evil.  His grin reminds of Jack Nicholson's grin in the "Shining".





You nailed it! Exact same smile and eyes. Sometimes he makes me wonder if he is really senile or just a good actor.

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« Reply #839 on: May 31, 2024, 05:42:44 pm »


You nailed it! Exact same smile and eyes. Sometimes he makes me wonder if he is really senile or just a good actor.

@berdie

IMO, President Trump would be crazy to go into that CNN debate coming up...established rules as they are.
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« Reply #840 on: May 31, 2024, 05:46:14 pm »
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« Reply #841 on: May 31, 2024, 05:49:16 pm »


You nailed it! Exact same smile and eyes. Sometimes he makes me wonder if he is really senile or just a good actor.

 :laugh:  I've been wondering the same thing.

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« Reply #842 on: May 31, 2024, 05:52:34 pm »
@berdie

IMO, President Trump would be crazy to go into that CNN debate coming up...established rules as they are.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #843 on: May 31, 2024, 05:59:33 pm »
I vote consistently for Republicans to be Mass State Rep, State Senator, and Mass Governor.

I vote consistently for Republicans to be US House Reps and US Senator from Massahchusetts.

I voted for Bush '43 (2000), Bush '43 (2004), and Donald Trump (2016) for President.

I voted for Ross Perot in 1992 and Pat Buchananon in 1996.

I voted against John MCain and Mitt Romney because they were flip-floppers.

I voted against Trump in 2020 because he was erratic and neurotic in dealing with Covid.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #844 on: May 31, 2024, 06:00:07 pm »
The American people are who was defrauded, @Hoodat .

How so?  Please explain precisely how the American people were defrauded, @jmyrlefuller .  Because as an American person, I cannot fathom how anyone could reach that conclusion.  Do you feel defrauded?  Did Trump take something away from you because of something correctly written in an accounting ledger?
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #845 on: May 31, 2024, 06:05:45 pm »
"BREAKING: Thousands of American patriots have shown up in front of Trump Tower to show their support for President Trump! Incredible!" --- 11:50 AM · May 31, 2024. (Video)

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #846 on: May 31, 2024, 06:11:24 pm »
How so?  Please explain precisely how the American people were defrauded, @jmyrlefuller .  Because as an American person, I cannot fathom how anyone could reach that conclusion.  Do you feel defrauded?  Did Trump take something away from you because of something correctly written in an accounting ledger?

I think legal issues and ethical issues are being blended together there.

Trump has done a number of unethical things that have caused us damage, including how he lied about Cruz and DeSantis. Ethical reasons are legitimate reasons to not vote for someone.

On the legal front, paying porn stars to be quiet out of your own pocket isn't illegal. Hiring unethical fixer lawyers isn't illegal. Whether or not it is a "legal" expense is splitting hairs. When you are a self promoter and your image is your business then that very well could be a legitimate legal expense.

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #848 on: May 31, 2024, 06:17:49 pm »
I vote consistently for Republicans to be Mass State Rep, State Senator, and Mass Governor.

I vote consistently for Republicans to be US House Reps and US Senator from Massahchusetts.

I voted for Bush '43 (2000), Bush '43 (2004), and Donald Trump (2016) for President.

I voted for Ross Perot in 1992 and Pat Buchananon in 1996.

I voted against John MCain and Mitt Romney because they were flip-floppers.

I voted against Trump in 2020 because he was erratic and neurotic in dealing with Covid.

Thank you....  You have apparently no ideological principals.....   just an errant flag flappin' randomly in the wind.

I find it hilarious you call McCain and Romney Flip-floppers.   :silly:

p.s. I am southern, and still haven't ever voted for a democrat in 50 years.  And never will.
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #849 on: May 31, 2024, 06:25:09 pm »
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Trump paid a lawyer for a legal expense and called it a legal expense on the books

The lawyer admitted to stealing $60k from Trump and perjured himself in the trial

Trump is the one convicted of 34 felonies

Our enemy is far more brazen than we realize


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