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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #800 on: May 31, 2024, 01:18:37 pm »
Ah the GOPBR circular firing squad has started.

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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #801 on: May 31, 2024, 01:22:06 pm »
'Disservice to the nation': Former VP Pence breaks silence on Trump's NYC conviction

Pence has said he will not endorse former President Trump in 2024
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 Former Vice President Mike Pence reacted on Friday to the criminal conviction of former President Donald Trump in a New York City courtroom and said a "terrible message" has been sent.

"The conviction of former President Trump on politically motivated charges is an outrage and disservice to the nation," Pence told Fox News Digital.

"No one is above the law, but our courts must not become a tool to be used against political opponents," Pence continued. "To millions of Americans, this was nothing more than a political prosecution driven by a Manhattan DA who ran for office on a pledge to indict the former president and this conviction undermines confidence in our system of justice."

more at:  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/disservice-nation-former-vp-pence-breaks-silence-trumps-nyc-conviction
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #802 on: May 31, 2024, 01:26:15 pm »
'Disservice to the nation': Former VP Pence breaks silence on Trump's NYC conviction

Pence has said he will not endorse former President Trump in 2024
By Andrew Mark Miller

 Former Vice President Mike Pence reacted on Friday to the criminal conviction of former President Donald Trump in a New York City courtroom and said a "terrible message" has been sent.

"The conviction of former President Trump on politically motivated charges is an outrage and disservice to the nation," Pence told Fox News Digital.

"No one is above the law, but our courts must not become a tool to be used against political opponents," Pence continued. "To millions of Americans, this was nothing more than a political prosecution driven by a Manhattan DA who ran for office on a pledge to indict the former president and this conviction undermines confidence in our system of justice."

more at:  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/disservice-nation-former-vp-pence-breaks-silence-trumps-nyc-conviction

I'm sorry but I no longer GAF what Mike Pence says about anything!
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« Reply #803 on: May 31, 2024, 01:27:48 pm »
Ah the GOPBR circular firing squad has started.

Not at all!

Said what I felt and will not engage anyone on it further.  No point in it...    :beer:
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #804 on: May 31, 2024, 01:37:58 pm »
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Joe Biden called a Press Conference and used Israel as a pretext to throw President Trump under the bus! SHAMEFUL
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« Reply #806 on: May 31, 2024, 01:39:50 pm »
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The fact that people still actually believe that our criminal legal system is fair & gives defendants a real chance at justice is laughable. 95%+ of all cases end in conviction. How can anyone possibly argue such a rigged system is fair?! Trump is unfortunately the latest victim
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« Reply #807 on: May 31, 2024, 01:41:04 pm »
   Jim Jordan is reminding me more each day of Darrell Issa and Trey Gowdy.  All hat and no cattle.

Like all Repukes.

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« Reply #808 on: May 31, 2024, 01:41:16 pm »
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The undeniable fact is Donald Trump went through the same legal process that all Americans go through, he was tried according to the facts and the law, and he was found guilty by a jury of his peers.

Donald Trump is now a convicted felon.
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« Reply #809 on: May 31, 2024, 01:42:05 pm »
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Except we all know that it was rigged by you and your crooked friends. That's why the number three guy at Biden's DOJ joined Bragg's office and the entire case was overseen by a Biden donor Judge whose daughter is literally a Democrat political operative! #RiggedSystem
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« Reply #810 on: May 31, 2024, 01:42:32 pm »
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Smart move to comment on jailing his leading political opponent while also shitting all over Israel.
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« Reply #811 on: May 31, 2024, 01:44:10 pm »
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The undeniable fact is Donald Trump went through the same legal process that all Americans go through, he was tried according to the facts and the law, and he was found guilty by a jury of his peers.

Donald Trump is now a convicted felon.

NEVER vote for a Democrat for any office in this land. Schoolhouse to Whitehouse!
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« Reply #814 on: May 31, 2024, 02:01:33 pm »
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Dear Elected Republicans,

Save us your cable news tears and strongly worded statements. No one gives a shit. Your feeble weakness and uselessness is the reason this is happening in the first place.

Action is all that matters now.

Want to save America?

Indict Biden family members.

The Biden family ran multiple criminal schemes in red states. Let’s start in Florida. Jim Biden committed medical fraud and embezzlement in Florida. Florida is a rock solid red state. Charge Biden’s brother. Do it now. Trial in a Trump +50 county. Make sure the judge donated to Trump and the jury all wear MAGA hats. *Nothing* is stopping Florida Republicans from doing this. The Biden’s committed legitimate crimes in this state defrauding Medicaid and investors.

Texas could indict Hunter Biden *today* for a fraudulent scheme to sell the states natural gas LNG ports to Chinese communists. This is all real and very well documented.

Joe Biden facilitated all of these deals and can be added to these criminal cases once he’s out of office.

And it’s not just the Biden’s.

Did you know that the Clinton Foundation is actually run out of Arkansas? International Money laundering, pay-for-play, child trafficking, embezzlement etc. Real heinous crimes. Did you know The District Attorney of Little Rock is a Trump Republican. Open the investigation now, today.

These are just a few examples.

This ends ONLY when Democrats become the victims in the destruction of a fair and impartial judicial system. When they feel the pain. When their families and children and presidential candidates are locked away.

Enough mulling and bitching Republicans.

Time for action. Now.

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« Reply #817 on: May 31, 2024, 02:14:52 pm »
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The undeniable fact is Donald Trump went through the same legal process that all Americans go through, he was tried according to the facts and the law, and he was found guilty by a jury of his peers.


Donald Trump is now a convicted felon
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It’s nice to see all these politicians posting their sweet messages for President Trump, vowing to fight for him. What the hell have you people been doing for the last 9 years!? Tish James told us 5 years ago she was out on a personal vendetta to get Trump. What did you all do about it? Most sat back, watched and tweeted empty threats!
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« Reply #821 on: May 31, 2024, 02:35:12 pm »
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The media are repeatedly reporting that President Trump faces possible jail time, then the commentators give their opinions.  To further underscore my point, that an effort needs to be made to get this matter before the Supreme Court, we now have a situation where a single acting state judge, a thoroughly conflicted Democrat, will determine if President Trump is free to campaign?  It is bad enough that the fact of this event has already significantly changed the campaign and the justice system.  But to allow it to persist, get worse, and further enshrined in out system requires the intervention of the Supreme Court.
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« Reply #822 on: May 31, 2024, 02:38:07 pm »
1.) Michael Cohen was a lawyer ... engaged in a criminal activity ... as a co-conpirator ... in a criminal conspiracy ... to violate Federal Election Campaign Contribution Laws ...

Trump wasn't on trial for violating campaign contribution laws.  Nor was he a co-conspirator with Cohen since Cohen was stealing from him.  As for the business records, his accountants and bookkeepers did indeed keep legal records with all taxes paid in full and no one defrauded.


2.) Michael Cohen did not submit "legal bills" to Donald Trump ... The Trump Org created false invoices for an amount greater than $130,000 ... to conceal an illegal in-kind political contribution as a business expense for the Trump Org and as 1099 taxable income for Michael Cohen.

One does not have to submit a bill in order to be paid.  The Trump LLC did not create false invoices.  The payments made matched the records exactly.  And there was nothing "illegal" about the contribution.   The fact that a 1099 was issued proves it.  So if Cohen failed to pay taxes on that 1099 amount, then that's on him.


3.) The payment invoices were fraudulently logged as business legal expenses by the Trump Org CFO to conceal Michael Cohen's illegal in-kind campaign contribution of $130,000 to the benefit of the Trump 2016 campaign that was used to prevent the public release of the Stormy Daniels encounter.

You keep using this term 'fraudulent'.  Yet you still are unable to explain who was defrauded.  You also continue to wrongly describe the payment to Daniels as "illegal" when there is nothing at all illegal about it.  Just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegal.  Trump can pay out money to whomever he wants.  As for Stormy Daniels, that story had already come forward in 2011.  So it would be pretty damn hard for Trump to commit a felony in 2017 to prevent a story published in 2011 from public release in 2016.  Do the math.




4.) The fraud was Trump Org (registered in and regulated by the State of New York) CFO and CEO's falsifying business records to conceal the commission of other crimes.

There was no concealment.  The payments were logged in the books.  There was no fraud.  No one was defrauded.  There were no other crimes.  (See:  Logical Fallacies - Begging the Question)


5.) The acts of a conspiracy, formed in 2015, to prevent the publication of embarassing, but true, information throughout the Trump 2016 Campaign

Information that had been public knowledge since 2011.


. . . that included Michael Cohen making an illegal in-kind $130,000 campaign contribution made in October, 2016 . . .

Michael Cohen wasn't on trial.  And Trump was not on trial for anything that occurred in 2016.


.  .  . and using fraudulent Trump Org business invoices and checks in 2017 .  .  .

Repeatedly calling it "fraudulent" does not make it fraudulent.  (See:  Begging the question)


.  .  .  to conceal that illegal $130,000 in-kind political contribution .  .  .

It wasn't illegal.


.  .  . may have impacted the results of the 2016 Presidential election ...

Trump wasn't on trial for anything that occurred before the 2016 election.


... but we'll never really know because the conspiracy . . .

Conspiracy?  ROFL


.  .  .  formed in 2015, carried out in 2016 . . .

None of which was illegal (except for the part where Cohen stole money from a vendor).


.  .  .  and concealed by fraudulent 2017 Trump Org invoices and checks  .  .  .

There you go again, using that word "fraudulent" without identifying the fraud.


.  .  . deprived the American voters of the opportunity to make that decision for themselves.


Pure unadulterated BULLSHIT.  Lies make Jesus cry.  You can go back to 2016 on this very forum and read posters here talking about Stormy Daniels.  Stop lying already.  Nobody blocked you from voting against Trump in 2016.  You were deprived of nothing.


.  .  .  The 2017 Trump Org fraudulent invoices and checks .  .  .

They weren't fraudulent.


.  .  .  were payment and concealment of Michael Cohen's October, 2016, $130,000 illegal in-kind campaign contribution .  .  .

It wasn't illegal.


.  .  .   to keep Stormy Daniels out of the news .  .  .

Political campaigns do that all the time.  Ever hear of Mary Jo Kopechne?  Guess what bought her parents' silence?


.  .  .  s as part of the 2015 conspiracy to capture and kill stories that my harm the Trump 2016 Campaign.

Not illegal.  Not even close.


.  .  .  If Trump had paid $130,000 out of his personal checking account, instead of Trump Org funds, to pay-off Stormy Daniels, there would have been no crime committed.  .  .  .

Whoa, wait just a minute.  You've been telling us this whole time that paying off someone to keep something out of the news.  But now you say it isn't?  Make up your mind.  And the Trump LLC can do whatever the hell it wants with its money.   It can write out checks to whomever or whatever it wants.  It only has one stockholder.  And I seriously doubt that one stockholder would object.

So again, where is the fraud?  Where is the felony? @DefiantMassRINO
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Re: LIVE THREAD....Day 21: Closing Arguments And Verdict
« Reply #823 on: May 31, 2024, 02:39:07 pm »
1.) Michael Cohen was a lawyer ... engaged in a criminal activity ... as a co-conpirator ... in a criminal conspiracy ... to violate Federal Election Campaign Contribution Laws ... by means of fraudulent business records ... of an LLC/Corp (Trump Org) registered in, and regulated by, the State of New York ... and obligated to maintain proper, legal, accurate business records for tax and legal reasons.  Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to Federal charges for this same conduct.

2.) Michael Cohen did not submit "legal bills" to Donald Trump ... The Trump Org created false invoices for an amount greater than $130,000 ... to conceal an illegal in-kind political contribution as a business expense for the Trump Org and as 1099 taxable income for Michael Cohen.

3.) The payment invoices were fraudulently logged as business legal expenses by the Trump Org CFO to conceal Michael Cohen's illegal in-kind campaign contribution of $130,000 to the benefit of the Trump 2016 campaign that was used to prevent the public release of the Stormy Daniels encounter.

4.) The fraud was Trump Org (registered in and regulated by the State of New York) CFO and CEO's falsifying business records to conceal the commission of other crimes.

5.) The acts of a conspiracy, formed in 2015, to prevent the publication of embarassing, but true, information throughout the Trump 2016 Campaign, that included Michael Cohen making an illegal in-kind $130,000 campaign contribution made in October, 2016, to hide truth from American voters to benefit the Trump 2016 campaign, and using fraudulent Trump Org business invoices and checks in 2017 to conceal that illegal $130,000 in-kind political contribution, may have impacted the results of the 2016 Presidential election ... but we'll never really know because the conspiracy, formed in 2015, carried out in 2016, and concealed by fraudulent 2017 Trump Org invoices and checks deprived the American voters of the opportunity to make that decision for themselves.

The 2017 Trump Org fraudulent invoices and checks were payment and concealment of Michael Cohen's October, 2016, $130,000 illegal in-kind campaign contribution to keep Stormy Daniels out of the news as part of the 2015 conspiracy to capture and kill stories that my harm the Trump 2016 Campaign.

If Trump had paid $130,000 out of his personal checking account, instead of Trump Org funds, to pay-off Stormy Daniels, there would have been no crime committed.  It was the cover-up of the October, 2016, payment to Stormy Daniels that is the crime.

Much like Watergate, it was the cover-up and follow the money that got Trump in legal trouble.

@DefiantMassRINO Thank You... for clarifying in layman terms. And for the record, I have not seen you defend Biden in any way, no more than myself.
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