Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out

[Hoodat]

Easy to say. But no. The people who didn't pay it back set it off.
The creation of debt is not the problem. It's the not paying it back.

It can be argued that the borrowing under Reagan (which was miniscule compared to today) was an investment toward ending the Cold War - an investment with a concrete payback.  After the end of the Cold War, our Defense budget fell from 7% of GDP down to 3%, which can be translated to a full 4% of GDP going towards paying that debt.

[LMAO]

It can be argued that the borrowing under Reagan (which was miniscule compared to today) was an investment toward ending the Cold War - an investment with a concrete payback.  After the end of the Cold War, our Defense budget fell from 7% of GDP down to 3%, which can be translated to a full 4% of GDP going towards paying that debt.

Every citizen owes the Fed Gov over 1000,000 to pay off the national debt. That's just the national debt. And there are no plans to even dent that in the coming years

What is that going to look like in 4 years? Eight years?

[libertybele]

@Right_in_Virginia

OMG! That aspect of the shutdown just hit me. I just took it as their hatred for all things pertaining to God. I never even looked at it from the POV that conservatives need to be prevented from hatching plans to stand up against their tyranny. Thanks for that!! I'm more horrified than before, but I'm happy to understand more of their thinking.

@AllThatJazzZ that aspect hit me when we were first told we needed to flatten the curve. Me living in FL decided to get some sunshine and fresh air and a change of scenery.  So off I went to a local park which I found to be shut down!  What?  I asked myself?  How is sunshine and fresh air going to hurt or spread COVID? Reality slapped me in the face; it was another place that people gather that they wanted shut down. It made no sense other than government control and preventing people from gathering.

Luckily DeSantis saw what was going on and our parks were re-opened and slowly restaurants and pubs/taverns, stores, banks, libraries, etc. were re-opened.  Much sooner than the rest of the country -- people went back to work for the most part.  Hospitals retained the CDC/WHO protocol for awhile, but eventually DeSantis stepped in and they allowed the public to decide whether or not to wear masks and allowed visitors.

Yes, COVID was an instrument utilized to steal an election and put a strain on our economy.  Say what you want about Trump, but he was in unprecedented territory and I believe once he was told that hdryochloronique (sp?) wasn't allowed by Fauci, yet was working against COVID, he saw the writing on the wall.  IMHO he handled the pandemic well.  Yes, I know that most are flinging arrows at me right now, but that's my opinion of the situation.

[Lando Lincoln]

Every citizen owes the Fed Gov over 1000,000 to pay off the national debt. That's just the national debt. And there are no plans to even dent that in the coming years

What is that going to look like in 4 years? Eight years?

Hyperinflation will take care of it.

[LMAO]

Luckily DeSantis saw what was going on and our parks were re-opened and slowly restaurants and pubs/taverns, stores, banks, libraries, etc. were re-opened.  Much sooner than the rest of the country -- people went back to work for the most part.  Hospitals retained the CDC/WHO protocol for awhile, but eventually DeSantis stepped in and they allowed the public to decide whether or not to wear masks and allowed visitors.

And he, along with other governors who did likewise were excoriated by the press. I remember the name "Govenor Deathsantis" given to him by the likes of the NYT's and the left

But he and others stood their ground and proved to be right

[roamer_1]

It can be argued that the borrowing under Reagan (which was miniscule compared to today) was an investment toward ending the Cold War - an investment with a concrete payback.  After the end of the Cold War, our Defense budget fell from 7% of GDP down to 3%, which can be translated to a full 4% of GDP going towards paying that debt.

Right, with but one correction: 4% of GDP ought to go toward paying it back - That never happened. The growth that Reagan fostered lasted twenty years. Twenty years of plenty, and during all that time, the debt only grew... 94 is the only time that approached decent husbandry and a faint stab at fiscal responsibility.

Like any dumass teen with a credit card, the government thought the money was magically appearing.
Maggie was right though - The debt comes due. Sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

[roamer_1]

Hyperinflation will take care of it.

Woohoo! yeah, baby! [/s]

[roamer_1]

And he, along with other governors who did likewise were excoriated by the press. I remember the name "Govenor Deathsantis" given to him by the likes of the NYT's and the left

But he and others stood their ground and proved to be right

Thank God for folks that stand on principle and will not be swayed...

[bigheadfred]

"The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions" Ronald Reagan

[bigheadfred]

Thank God for folks that stand on principle and will not be swayed...

So MTG and her friends are right?  Vacate the Chair!

[Hoodat]

Every citizen owes the Fed Gov over 1000,000 to pay off the national debt. That's just the national debt. And there are no plans to even dent that in the coming years

What is that going to look like in 4 years? Eight years?

In eight years, a $38 trillion debt becomes $56 trillion at current interest rates.  And that only assumes that we add nothing to it (which isn't happening).

Realistically though, lets assume that the federal government continues with $1.5 trillion deficits over the next 8 years (which is significantly lower than it has been), then by 2032, we will be looking at a national debt of over $70 trillion.

[Hoodat]

So MTG and her friends are right?  Vacate the Chair!

MTG and her friends are right.  Cooperating with Democrats is destroying this country.

[libertybele]

MTG and her friends are right.  Cooperating with Democrats is destroying this country.

Absolutely!!

[Hoodat]

Right, with but one correction: 4% of GDP ought to go toward paying it back - That never happened. The growth that Reagan fostered lasted twenty years. Twenty years of plenty, and during all that time, the debt only grew... 94 is the only time that approached decent husbandry and a faint stab at fiscal responsibility.

My point was that the money did make its way back into the US Treasury.  But instead of retiring debt, they chose to spend it on other things.  But then what did you expect from anti-Reagan in the White House from '89-'93.  Bush Sr. took a 90+% approval rating and completely destroyed it in one year by ceding control of the budget and the economy over to the Democrats while he fought the Gulf War.

[libertybele]

Thank God for folks that stand on principle and will not be swayed...

Amen! That is the only thing that is going to save this country.  Are there enough principled folks left to do so though?

[roamer_1]

So MTG and her friends are right?  Vacate the Chair!

As I have already expressed, I'm almost alright with that.

[roamer_1]

In eight years, a $38 trillion debt becomes $56 trillion at current interest rates.  And that only assumes that we add nothing to it (which isn't happening).

Realistically though, lets assume that the federal government continues with $1.5 trillion deficits over the next 8 years (which is significantly lower than it has been), then by 2032, we will be looking at a national debt of over $70 trillion.

Well thankfully, hyperinflation will be keeping up, and we'll be able to settle the entire debt with a loaf of bread.
woo!! good times.

 

[DCPatriot]

Good point @DCPatriot   We've lost the fine art of in-person interactions and discussion.  The birthing clinics for the first American freedom fighters were churches and taverns ---- which just might explain why both were among the places shut down in liberal states during Covid.

We need to return to this tradition ---- without the electronics.

@Right_in_Virginia

Just waking up from a 2 hour nap and returning to this now fabulous discussion...seeing your post.

Call it a 'Gift'. Life and career experiences have awarded me with both a PHD and Doctorate in "Inclination"...recognizing diamonds among the basic shitheads out there.

And here, having never met any of you in 'Real Life', it comes as absolutely no surprise why I've gravitated toward you over the many years.

Thanks for being here.   

[Bigun]

Good point @DCPatriot   We've lost the fine art of in-person interactions and discussion.  The birthing clinics for the first American freedom fighters were churches and taverns ---- which just might explain why both were among the places shut down in liberal states during Covid.

We need to return to this tradition ---- without the electronics.

A few people here, myself among them, were screaming like banshees about COVID being a biological attack by China on this country, abetted by the left and their lemming media.

I have not had a COVID test or a vaccine to this day and have no intention to EVER have one. 

The Hillary Clinton presidency was supposed to be what put the cap on the jar - the final act of the long march through the institutions - forever sealing the idea of a republic in this world. Thankfully God prevented that and that is when COVID hit the scene.

[Bigun]

Exactly right.  One of the pastors of a former church that we went to, moved to a different church and took a different position.  He addressed the 'church' and made comment of what was being done during COVID; trying to shut down churches so that like minded, conservative Christians couldn't gather.  He made the comment, looking up to he heavens as he spoke; have mercy on us, as that's not going to happen  -- we will continue to gather.

Christianity and churches are being targeted. 

Stand your ground and remain steadfast in your faith and the values and morals upon which you grew up with; predominately those same values and principles upon which this country was founded.

We will continue to gather but NEVER will we utter a word that might endanger our 501c3 status!

[DCPatriot]

My comment about the enemy was just what I have observed.  When I see the things that are happening especially now, but began in 2009, I remember a comment someone made about the 2009 Inauguration and how the demonic now had unfettered access to the American government.  So when I see the outrages of the current regime, I'm always left thinking that satan couldn't have done a better job at destroying the blessings of this nation.

@Hoodat

Thanks for the memories.

Vividly recall posting back then--a prediction...that Conservatives would become "The New German Jew".

Sure... our good FRiend @MACVSOG68 (Mike) successfully talked me down off the ledge at the time.

But since then Hillary Clinton labeled us "Deplorables"...needing what she publicly said was "Re-education".

But also remember she and her friends publicly discussed...accepting liquidation of around 25 MILLION Americans to achieve her thesis goals...(It's Only the Fight).

They're still rounding up Americans through cell phone tower pings today...pertaining to the January 6th Capitol Event (Refuse to use the word "Insurrection")

Cripes....my best friend of over 22 years (pool table buddy); my 2 most recent 'girlfriends' I've known since the mid-90's)...my brother for God's sake...THEY"RE ALL bleeping COMMIES TODAY! 

Then I seek refuge on the political forum and what do I see? 

ORANGE MAN BAD!!!  day in and day out.

And in the back of my mind, I 'see' and hear James Cagney..."Where's Your Moses, Now??"

 

[Bigun]

@roamer_1 @Lando Lincoln @Hoodat @LMAO

Still more of this!


"There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

[Bigun]

"The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions" Ronald Reagan

Just for you @bigheadfred

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

Daniel Webster

[DCPatriot]

Hyperinflation will take care of it.

@Lando Lincoln

LOL!

Used to earn an average of $300K per annum at the turn of the century.

Today, I find myself avoiding the meat aisles even at COSTCO.

[bigheadfred]

Just for you @bigheadfred

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

Daniel Webster

 

[Lando Lincoln]

@Lando Lincoln

LOL!

Used to earn an average of $300K per annum at the turn of the century.

Today, I find myself avoiding the meat aisles even at COSTCO.

@DCPatriot

I understand!

My remark about hyperinflation was quasi-serious. The laws of economics are immutable. Once the burden of debt becomes unbearable, something must give. But don’t worry, the Elites will be okay.

[sneakypete]

Biden has his own problems also with his base and it’s over Israel versus Hamas

But it’s about the issues. Some  of Trump supporters have created a fantasy about things like “he cares about how he looks in the history books,” which they never really defined what that means, except a lot of vague concepts, like “taking on the left”  but it’s ultimately the policy positions and the record that gives an insight of how they would and have govern, and that has  the greatest impact.

@LMAO

You are more full of Biden than a Christmas Turkey.

Then again,you may be right because we ALL know what a modest fellow Trump is. Chances are he cares nothing for how he goes down in history,right?

[roamer_1]

We will continue to gather but NEVER will we utter a word that might endanger our 501c3 status!

I don't pay much mind to any church holding a 501c3 status. Jussayin. 

[LMAO]

@LMAO

You are more full of Biden than a Christmas Turkey.

Then again,you may be right because we ALL know what a modest fellow Trump is. Chances are he cares nothing for how he goes down in history,right?

It’s phrases oft repeated by you(cares how he goes down in the history books, will take on the left, ect)

Yet never really defined what that means

[roamer_1]

@Hoodat

Thanks for the memories.

Vividly recall posting back then--a prediction...that Conservatives would become "The New German Jew".

@DCPatriot

HA! You should try stacking 'redneck' on top of that. Been that way and more my whole life long. On the outside the whole time. Other folks might say 'On the outside, looking in', but I ain't 'lookin in'. I don't give a single sh*t for whatever's 'in'.

Then I seek refuge on the political forum and what do I see? 

ORANGE MAN BAD!!!  day in and day out.

And in the back of my mind, I 'see' and hear James Cagney..."Where's Your Moses, Now??"

 

You need to align way further Right... Tumpy is a liberal, with NYC values. Fighting for liberal causes. He may seem a fighter to you, he may even seem conservative to you, but his alignment is somewhere close to Romney. Romney is from the liberal wing of the Republican party.

So no wonder. Tumpy ain't the Conservative 'Moses'.
Cruz could have been.
DeSantis could have been.

spilt milk.

[LMAO]

We will continue to gather but NEVER will we utter a word that might endanger our 501c3 status!

A good argument for a different type of taxing policy

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1 @Lando Lincoln @Hoodat @LMAO

Still more of this!


"There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

@Bigun

Give me someone striking at the root, and I will vote for him!

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Except when both candidates are from the left - Then there is no point. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
@catfish1957 's point is well taken.

@roamer_1

WHEN did that happen,Bubba?

Trump isn't a leftist,and you are the only  one I know of ignorant enough to call him one.

Hell,if Reagan were re-incarnated and allowed to run again,you  could probably  call HIM a leftist because you  want the whole freaking world to run like YOU think it should run.

Guess what?

It just don't work that way. On ANY subject. Not even organized religion. After all,look  at how many of them there are,and some are always fighting each other "For the Glory of Gawd!"

You ain't the only fish in the ocean,and in a FREE Society,people ARE allowed to think freely.

Even when  they are off by 180 degrees,like you.

[LMAO]

I wouldn’t say that Donald Trump is a leftist like one of the squad members

He’s a populist. And because he isn’t tied to any particular ideology, he’s easily swayed depending on who charms him the most, and who is willing to donate more to his campaign

We’ve seen examples of both

I have no personal animosity towards Donald Trump. And I hope that he’s ultimately successful in his lawsuits.  But that has nothing to do with the shape we find our country in or the future

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

WHEN did that happen,Bubba?

Trump isn't a leftist,and you are the only  one I know of ignorant enough to call him one.

@sneakypete

Yes he is. As enumerated over and over hereon.

Hell,if Reagan were re-incarnated and allowed to run again,you  could probably  call HIM a leftist because you  want the whole freaking world to run like YOU think it should run.

NOPE. Tumpy ain't a pimple on Reagan's ass. And Reagan is so far to the right compared to today as to be right off the map.

I call Tumpy a leftist because of his record, which is undeniable. He is to the left in policy. He is to the left in supporting big government, he is to the left morally. He is left aligned.

Guess what?

It just don't work that way. On ANY subject. Not even organized religion. After all,look  at how many of them there are,and some are always fighting each other "For the Glory of Gawd!"

You ain't the only fish in the ocean,and in a FREE Society,people ARE allowed to think freely.

Even when  they are off by 180 degrees,like you.

Suits me fine. You go your way. I don't give a crap. Knock yourself out.
But I will not go with you.

[LMAO]

Just waking up from a 2 hour nap

If I took a two hour nap, I would wake up groggy as hell

[roamer_1]

I wouldn’t say that Donald Trump is a leftist like one of the squad members

Neither would I. He's aligned more with Romney.

He’s a populist. And because he isn’t tied to any particular ideology, he’s easily swayed depending on who charms him the most, and who is willing to donate more to his campaign

That's almost right. True within the sphere of the NYC values, native to his person.

We’ve seen examples of both

That's right.

I have no personal animosity towards Donald Trump. And I hope that he’s ultimately successful in his lawsuits.  But that has nothing to do with the shape we find our country in or the future

Me neither, me too... And that's right.
The minute he drops off the political map, I won't pay any mind to him at all. He'll go right off my radar... Kinda like all the rest of the popular kids over in Hollywood.

[sneakypete]

It’s phrases oft repeated by you(cares how he goes down in the history books, will take on the left, ect)

Yet never really defined what that means

@LMAO

What BS! The typical 10th grader knows what it implies.

[DCPatriot]

@roamer_1

WHEN did that happen,Bubba?

Trump isn't a leftist,and you are the only  one I know of ignorant enough to call him one.

Hell,if Reagan were re-incarnated and allowed to run again,you  could probably  call HIM a leftist because you  want the whole freaking world to run like YOU think it should run.

Guess what?

It just don't work that way. On ANY subject. Not even organized religion. After all,look  at how many of them there are,and some are always fighting each other "For the Glory of Gawd!"

You ain't the only fish in the ocean,and in a FREE Society,people ARE allowed to think freely.

Even when  they are off by 180 degrees,like you.

@sneakypete

So happy to see you have joined the current conversation again.

Noticed that you were an island for the past two months....virtually the only one taking on the crazy NTs.

As @AllThatJazzZ recently suggested to @libertybele ... don't take the bait and return to the circular firing squad.

It's tired and it's boring as hell.

Nobody is going to persuade @roamer_1 that he's living in a fantasy today.  "Pragmatism" is a foreign language and concept to him.

The vast majority of Briefers who agree with you and me have been cowed into silence in their quest to avoid confrontations.

It nauseates me.  Ownership won't even acknowledge it in the name of "Free expression". 

The NT's are their pets now, because without THEM...this place is a funeral parlor.

Even PM'd me when they suspended @Right_in_Virginia begging me to contact her to return because the place became an anti-Trump echo chamber.  I did it gladly because...you don't treat a cornerstone of the forum like that just because of her political alignments.

How many times do they expect good people to "Turn the other cheek"?  Being called "liars"..."Paid consultants to sabotage the DeSantis campaign".

Even still we have a couple of the NT goobers blaming Pres. Trump for the current inflationary spending...derailing the thread so that it becomes "Orange Man Bad" again.

Don't fall for it, Sneaky.  Please?

THEY are the core here now.  They're Anarchists.

[DCPatriot]

If I took a two hour nap, I would wake up groggy as hell

LOL!  I'm at the stage in my life where I can't sleep at night and can't stay awake during the day.   

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Yes he is. As enumerated over and over hereon.


@roamer_1

Ahh,the old "Stalin Ploy"! Tell a lie often enough,and it becomes the truth".

Coming out of the closet,Comrade?

[LMAO]

@LMAO

What BS! The typical 10th grader knows what it implies.

Pretend I’m the typical ninth grader

What does any of that mean? It seems like the MAGA crowd here only wants to hear the positive of Donald Trump’s record and his proposals, and become very defensive when his record and  proposals are critiqued

Donald Trump signed on to spending bills that added $8 trillion to the debt. That’s not a personal attack. That is a fact back by data. Now he wants even more if he’s elected. That is a fact. We are reaping the “rewards” of that mindset

Donald Trump fought congressional Republicans who wanted to reduce the amount of Covid spending and sided with Democrats. That is backed by data and fact.  And I know some don’t like to hear it, but printing trillions of dollars laid the groundwork for inflation. The reason why it stayed low during that time in 2020 is because the economy was shut down. Trump, like Sanders and AOC, are believers of the modern monetary theory. But it never works in real life.

Donald Trump appointed people like Christopher Wray and General Miley. That is factual

Donald Trump said that if he’s reelected president that he would pressure the federal reserve or appoint somebody to the federal reserve that would reduce interest rates. In an inflationary economy, that would greatly harm savers. That is backed up by his own words.

He implemented tariffs the first time as president that caused harm to the economy. Now he wants even more. That will cause further harm to American consumers who are already struggling to pay for things. That is a fact.

While running for president, Donald Trump said that we would never default because we could just print all the money you need to pay creditors. That is backed up with his own words.

Pretty much every “attack” on Donald Trump I have seen here has been based on his record and his proposal he’s making now. Some just don’t like that. Too bad… So sad. 



Now let’s look at the social issues. It isn’t clear with Donald Trump’s position is on abortion. Claiming he’s gonna make a deal at both sides would like is not a position. It’s a dodge

If one looks up thread, there was an article someone posted of where he is alluding to the fact that he’s gonna fight for “gay rights.” What does that even mean?

He sided with Disney over conservatives. He sided with Bud Light just because he got some campaign cash. He flipped his position on TikTok because… Donations. What other things is he going to change his position on if the price is right? It is a fair question.

He is far better on the border than Biden. I will give him that. But he deported less people than Barack Obama.


Now it’s your turn. @sneakypete

I’ve outlined my issues I have with Donald Trump, and none of them are false. Put here, his proposals and parts of his record that you think are going to save the country without mentioning Biden or vague phrases like “he’ll take on the left”

Ping me with your reply as I am sincerely interested

[roamer_1]

Nobody is going to persuade @roamer_1 that he's living in a fantasy today.  "Pragmatism" is a foreign language and concept to him.

That's because there is nothing pragmatic about it, @DCPatriot
It's populist, not pragmatist.
And I have been fighting against it my whole life.
So you're right in that.

The vast majority of Briefers who agree with you and me have been cowed into silence in their quest to avoid confrontations.

Then have em speak up. Seems to me there's a choir of three. The rest seem, according to the polls at least, to be hold-my-nosers.

It nauseates me.  Ownership won't even acknowledge it in the name of "Free expression". 

The NT's are their pets now, because without THEM...this place is a funeral parlor.

Even PM'd me when they suspended @Right_in_Virginia begging me to contact her to return because the place became an anti-Trump echo chamber.  I did it gladly because...you don't treat a cornerstone of the forum like that just because of her political alignments.

Yet you bark at em for not wrecking 'me and my crew'. 
Right out of your own mouth, they are trying to keep the place open and  not have it go any one direction...

Hypocrisy much?

Even still we have a couple of the NT goobers blaming Pres. Trump for the current inflationary spending...

Only because it's true. Math don't lie.

THEY are the core here now.  They're Anarchists.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Anarchist now? Define that. If you can.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Ahh,the old "Stalin Ploy"! Tell a lie often enough,and it becomes the truth".

Coming out of the closet,Comrade?

@sneakypete
It ain't a lie.
Documented over and over and over and over.

He's Pro-woke. Going after LGBTQWERTY vote. Wrong side of Bud Light. Wrong side of Disney.
He's big government - Government went further LEFT under his watch. Historic spending.
NYC values.

Don't care who you are, that's LEFT.

[DCPatriot]

@sneakypete
It ain't a lie.
Documented over and over and over and over.

He's Pro-woke. Going after LGBTQWERTY vote. Wrong side of Bud Light. Wrong side of Disney.
He's big government - Government went further LEFT under his watch. Historic spending.
NYC values.

Don't care who you are, that's LEFT.

ROFL!  That's idiocy.

Trump represents MAGA.  The Democrats represent Communism and Totalitarianism.

Ergo....give me the Populist today.

[roamer_1]

ROFL!  That's idiocy.

Trump represents MAGA.  The Democrats represent Communism and Totalitarianism.

Ergo....give me the Populist today.

@DCPatriot

Three words:

Federal effin cities.

End of story.

Same damn thing. That's LEFT.
That's socialist.
That's unconstitutional.

[roamer_1]

Trump represents MAGA.

And btw: REAGAN is MAGA, not Tumpy.
Stolen slogans don't make it so.

[AllThatJazzZ]

@sneakypete

So happy to see you have joined the current conversation again.

Noticed that you were an island for the past two months....virtually the only one taking on the crazy NTs.

As @AllThatJazzZ recently suggested to @libertybele ... don't take the bait and return to the circular firing squad.

It's tired and it's boring as hell.

Nobody is going to persuade @roamer_1 that he's living in a fantasy today.  "Pragmatism" is a foreign language and concept to him.

The vast majority of Briefers who agree with you and me have been cowed into silence in their quest to avoid confrontations.

It nauseates me.  Ownership won't even acknowledge it in the name of "Free expression". 

The NT's are their pets now, because without THEM...this place is a funeral parlor.

Even PM'd me when they suspended @Right_in_Virginia begging me to contact her to return because the place became an anti-Trump echo chamber.  I did it gladly because...you don't treat a cornerstone of the forum like that just because of her political alignments.

How many times do they expect good people to "Turn the other cheek"?  Being called "liars"..."Paid consultants to sabotage the DeSantis campaign".

Even still we have a couple of the NT goobers blaming Pres. Trump for the current inflationary spending...derailing the thread so that it becomes "Orange Man Bad" again.

Don't fall for it, Sneaky.  Please?

THEY are the core here now.  They're Anarchists.

@DCPatriot

Well, THAT was a telling post! First, I had no idea @Right_in_Virginia was suspended. I don't know what the circumstances were, but it's troubling to learn that.

I agree that it's tired and boring. The INCESSANT carrying on, saying the same thing over and over and just putting the words in different order, jumping in with an incendiary remark when the temperature has cooled and the dialog has become less contentious -- I can't help but notice some serious addiction to controversy. And the need for the last word? Dude! Don't get me started.

I've been in this position before. Only then I was getting whacked to death by Trumpers. Then I got the ZOT. How ironic that I'm getting whacked to death by NTs! I'm amused at life's little ironies!

But, yes, the unending griping, whining, accusing, name-calling, etc., tends to suck all the oxygen and the joy out of the room. I'm too old and life's too short to endure it. I enjoy a civil exchange of ideas. But I won't go back for more if it becomes abusive.

[roamer_1]

Pretend I’m the typical ninth grader

What does any of that mean? It seems like the MAGA crowd here only wants to hear the positive of Donald Trump’s record and his proposals, and become very defensive when his record and  proposals are critiqued

Donald Trump signed on to spending bills that added $8 trillion to the debt. That’s not a personal attack. That is a fact back by data. Now he wants even more if he’s elected. That is a fact. We are reaping the “rewards” of that mindset

Donald Trump fought congressional Republicans who wanted to reduce the amount of Covid spending and sided with Democrats. That is backed by data and fact.  And I know some don’t like to hear it, but printing trillions of dollars laid the groundwork for inflation. The reason why it stayed low during that time in 2020 is because the economy was shut down.

Donald Trump appointed people like Christopher Wray and General Miley. That is factual

Donald Trump said that if he’s reelected president that he would pressure the federal reserve or appoint somebody to the federal reserve that would reduce interest rates. In an inflationary economy, that would greatly harm savers. That is backed up by his own words.

He implemented tariffs the first time as president that caused harm to the economy. Now he wants even more. That will cause further harm to American consumers who are already struggling to pay for things. That is a fact.

While running for president, Donald Trump said that we would never default because we could just print all the money you need to pay creditors. That is backed up with his own words.

Pretty much every “attack” on Donald Trump I have seen here has been based on his record and his proposal he’s making now. Some just don’t like that. Too bad… So sad. 



Now let’s look at the social issues. It isn’t clear with Donald Trump’s position is on abortion. Claiming he’s gonna make a deal at both sides would like is not a position. It’s a dodge

If one looks up thread, there was an article someone posted of where he is alluding to the fact that he’s gonna fight for “gay rights.” What does that even mean?

He sided with Disney over conservatives. He sided with Bud Light just because he got some campaign cash. He flipped his position on TikTok because… Donations. What other things is he going to change his position on if the price is right? It is a fair question.

He is far better on the border than Biden. I will give him that. But he deported less people than Barack Obama.


Now it’s your turn. @sneakypete

I’ve outlined my issues I have with Donald Trump, and none of them are false. Put here, his proposals and parts of his record that you think are going to save the country without mentioning Biden or vague phrases like “he’ll take on the left”

Ping me with your reply as I am sincerely interested

Posted for emphasis. All of it true.
I would like to see it rebutted.

But don't hold your breath.

[LMAO]

Then I got the ZOT. How ironic that I'm getting whacked to death by NTs! I'm amused at life's little ironies!

Who here is “whacking” you?

We’re in the midst of a presidential campaign were the stakes have never been higher. And not just the fiscal and economic end but also the cultural. I never thought I would ever see the day in this country we are  actually debating that a man can menstruate and become pregnant and that kids as young as elementary school age should be sexualized. Chris Hansen owes a lot of predators an apology.

It is entirely fair and proper to look at both candidates records and proposals, and evaluate them not on the intentions,  but on the results and potential consequences. Naturally, it is expected that it’s going to get heated as there are differences even amongst conservatives on what path to take.

You are correct that some of the points do tend to  get repeated. But I guess that’s the nature of a political forum.