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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #300 on: March 23, 2024, 04:20:56 am »
I'm 78 years old. Look around. Time to face up to the TRUTH. The proof is all around us.
The Republic is 'dead'. Tree of Liberty has been petrified.

Even too late to "Lock n' Load".  Technology has made it impossible.

"Woodstock" my ass!! We Baby Boomers have allowed this to happen. We're responsible for all of this.{spit}
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« Reply #301 on: March 23, 2024, 07:07:43 am »


Funny you mentioned this, it was Trump that put a gay gun-grabber judge (Patrick Bumatay from NY or course) on the 9th Circuit court in California... one that took his "husband" to the confirmation sessions ... He also has two daughters passed off as birth daughters.

@Sighlass

Looking up that judge’s record, he’s pretty left-wing. He also supported taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners.


If it wasn’t for the Federalist Society, along with concerns about reelection, I believe that these are the kind of judges Donald Trump would appointed to the Supreme Court.


Should he win, those pesky reelection concerns are not going to be there.


BTW, I noticed how quickly those  who accused you of wanting “permits for sex”, and a “cop in every bedroom”  and called you a "morality NAZI" became  awfully quiet all of a sudden


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« Reply #302 on: March 23, 2024, 07:42:20 am »
I'm 78 years old. Look around. Time to face up to the TRUTH. The proof is all around us.
The Republic is 'dead'. Tree of Liberty has been petrified.

Even too late to "Lock n' Load".  Technology has made it impossible.

"Woodstock" my ass!! We Baby Boomers have allowed this to happen. We're responsible for all of this.{spit}

The pendulum eventually swings

It always does.
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #303 on: March 23, 2024, 08:24:43 am »
The pendulum eventually swings

It always does.

@LMAO

Ahh, but "swing" back to what?

Not my intention here to drag Donald Trump into the conversation...my point simply being that if not for the successful nominations and confirmations of Kavanaugh, Barrett and Gorsuch, the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution would have overturned today.

IMO, it wasn't DJT...he was merely the 'vessel'. It was a Republican POTUS supported by the Mitch McConnel team.

If Hillary Clinton won in 2016, things would certainly be different. Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have retired, etc..

It's my contention that Baby Boomers needing a 2 income-family...keeping up with the "Joneses"...unshackling (too strong a word, perhaps) women from the home and kitchen...ahhh...  on and on.

It's over now.  Good luck.  Health-wise, fully expect I won't even be alive by the '24 Election this November.  Thank you, Jesus.

Like 'John Coffey" in The Green Mile... "I'm tired boss!  I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world"



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« Reply #304 on: March 23, 2024, 08:40:14 am »


It's over now.  Good luck.  Health-wise, fully expect I won't even be alive by the '24 Election this November.  Thank you, Jesus.

Like 'John Coffey" in The Green Mile... "I'm tired boss!  I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world"

Now how is that fighting for the country?  wink777

I’ll give you an example of what I’ve done. We had a local school board election a couple years ago. We campaigned to get all the “teach elementary school kids LBGTQRS issues” type voted out and we won. And won, as Trump would say, “Bigly”



@Sighlass is right. I don’t care what two consenting adults do in their private life. But when society is told it must embrace and accommodate, we’re going to have a problem


The way I see it, if Hiroshima and Nagasaki can become thriving, robust cities after having two nuclear bombs dropped on them, America will survive and recover from Biden and the left

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« Reply #305 on: March 23, 2024, 09:36:49 am »
I'm 78 years old. Look around. Time to face up to the TRUTH. The proof is all around us.
The Republic is 'dead'. Tree of Liberty has been petrified.

Even too late to "Lock n' Load".  Technology has made it impossible.

"Woodstock" my ass!! We Baby Boomers have allowed this to happen. We're responsible for all of this.{spit}

Well, @DCPatriot most of it was already done before any of us "baby boomers" were born but that does not negate the fact that WE could have stopped it had we been astute enough to figure out what was going on.

In my youth (age 19) my uncle Sam sent me to a foreign land to fight commies over there and I was too damned stupid to know that the government of my own country was already riddled with the bastards. Couldn't even conceive of an American who would turn on his own country at the time. Boy! Was I wrong! The Commies won without ever firing a shot here just as Nikita Kruschev told us they would. Like you, I'm awfully tired. Watching my country in its death throes without being able to do a damned thing about it is killing me.
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« Reply #306 on: March 23, 2024, 09:49:12 am »
Now how is that fighting for the country?  wink777

I’ll give you an example of what I’ve done. We had a local school board election a couple years ago. We campaigned to get all the “teach elementary school kids LBGTQRS issues” type voted out and we won. And won, as Trump would say, “Bigly”



@Sighlass is right. I don’t care what two consenting adults do in their private life. But when society is told it must embrace and accommodate, we’re going to have a problem


The way I see it, if Hiroshima and Nagasaki can become thriving, robust cities after having two nuclear bombs dropped on them, America will survive and recover from Biden and the left

I'm not going to write you a book about what I've done but will just say that I've stolen much time and treasure from my family over the last fifty years and gotten NOTHING of substance in return.

Yes, there will always be a place called the United States of America, but it will bear zero resemblance to the republic our founders gave us. In fact, that is already true right now @LMAO.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #307 on: March 23, 2024, 11:43:01 am »
I'm not going to write you a book about what I've done but will just say that I've stolen much time and treasure from my family over the last fifty years and gotten NOTHING of substance in return.

Yes, there will always be a place called the United States of America, but it will bear zero resemblance to the republic our founders gave us. In fact, that is already true right now @LMAO.


@Bigun

Out of curiosity, how optimistic/pessimistic are you about America's return to greatness?


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« Reply #308 on: March 23, 2024, 11:46:07 am »
@Bigun

Out of curiosity, how optimistic/pessimistic are you about America's return to greatness?

@AllThatJazzZ I'm sorry to report that short of Gods intervention I see no chance.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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« Reply #309 on: March 23, 2024, 11:47:56 am »
I’ll give you an example of what I’ve done. We had a local school board election a couple years ago. We campaigned to get all the “teach elementary school kids LBGTQRS issues” type voted out and we won. And won, as Trump would say, “Bigly”

G-d bless you, @LMAO .
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« Reply #310 on: March 23, 2024, 11:51:24 am »
G-d bless you, @LMAO .

Purging from the bottom up, might be the ticket.  Sadly, left wing excrement have been louder voices, and have gotten their way.
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« Reply #311 on: March 23, 2024, 11:52:45 am »
I'm 78 years old. Look around. Time to face up to the TRUTH. The proof is all around us.
The Republic is 'dead'. Tree of Liberty has been petrified.

That was clear in 2020.

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« Reply #312 on: March 23, 2024, 11:54:29 am »
Purging from the bottom up, might be the ticket.

The exact point that Ted Cruz was making in 2016.
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« Reply #313 on: March 23, 2024, 11:54:45 am »

Now how is that fighting for the country?  wink777

I’ll give you an example of what I’ve done. We had a local school board election a couple years ago. We campaigned to get all the “teach elementary school kids LBGTQRS issues” type voted out and we won. And won, as Trump would say, “Bigly”


Very impressive, @LMAO   Thank you.

However, I am in the Deep Midnight Blue Peoples Republic of Maryland, where today, Ronald Wilson Reagan wouldn't stand a chance of winning an office.

Even voting for Jesus Christ as a Republican would be a waste of time and effort.
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« Reply #314 on: March 23, 2024, 11:57:28 am »
@LMAO

Ahh, but "swing" back to what?


Why, to something more representative and manageable, of course.

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Not my intention here to drag Donald Trump into the conversation...my point simply being that if not for the successful nominations and confirmations of Kavanaugh, Barrett and Gorsuch, the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution would have overturned today.


Well, I find half your zeal in these appointments... By and large a paltry gain. The only one I find in good order is Gorsuch, surprisingly enough.

But that aside, your statement is spoken with far too much surety - predicting that which never happened is a touchy business.

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IMO, it wasn't DJT...he was merely the 'vessel'. It was a Republican POTUS supported by the Mitch McConnel team.


Still a meager, half-handed gain... Poorly wrought.

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If Hillary Clinton won in 2016, things would certainly be different. Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have retired, etc..


Again with the predictions from silent future never realized. That's a fault in thinking, IMO.

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It's my contention that Baby Boomers needing a 2 income-family...keeping up with the "Joneses"...unshackling (too strong a word, perhaps) women from the home and kitchen...ahhh...  on and on.


Yes, that's true. But that's also necessarily the path of it - The temptation was largely absent before the boomer generation. Largely absent because the temptation is always there, which is why my emphasis remains firmly focused in history.

But your angst and defeatism is ill placed. You'd be of better service in your position of elder to make those in this generation understand the folly... And to point to a better way.

The seeds that sprung up into the liberalism choking our garden were indeed first seeds. Thus also the seeds of liberty can grow once planted - Albeit only when watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots... Still it is easier to reclaim the garden than to start from scratch, and your voice should remain raised toward that effort.

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It's over now.  Good luck.  Health-wise, fully expect I won't even be alive by the '24 Election this November.  Thank you, Jesus.

Like 'John Coffey" in The Green Mile... "I'm tired boss!  I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world"

I meet that news with sadness @DCPatriot . Despite our differences of late, I have normally enjoyed our conversations and even the repartee between us which has livened the conversation. You may not believe it, in our current state, but your voice will be missed if this prediction is true.   :beer:

It ain't over. Not by half. Take heart, and care for what remains.

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« Reply #315 on: March 23, 2024, 11:59:32 am »
Well, @DCPatriot most of it was already done before any of us "baby boomers" were born but that does not negate the fact that WE could have stopped it had we been astute enough to figure out what was going on.
  @Bigun

Yes, Earl...20/20 hindsight and all that.

IMO, dumping the "Merit" system and turning a blind eye toward Teachers' Unions...introducing tenure did an awful lot of damage.
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« Reply #316 on: March 23, 2024, 12:02:34 pm »
@AllThatJazzZ I'm sorry to report that short of Gods intervention I see no chance.

There is not a truer word on this board. But then, that is always the case, and nothing new.  :shrug:

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« Reply #317 on: March 23, 2024, 12:03:34 pm »
Purging from the bottom up, might be the ticket.  Sadly, left wing excrement have been louder voices, and have gotten their way.

It is ALWAYS the ticket. Every time.

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« Reply #318 on: March 23, 2024, 12:04:32 pm »
Every single example of the problems you all bemoan was brought about through the expansion of government.  Conservativism would have prevented all of them had we adhered to it.

If the federal budget was balanced today, you would all be shocked at how much better this country would be.  Prosperity would abound.  Double-digit growth rates.  An explosion of wealth.  And no more inflation.
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« Reply #319 on: March 23, 2024, 12:05:44 pm »
Very impressive, @LMAO   Thank you.

However, I am in the Deep Midnight Blue Peoples Republic of Maryland, where today, Ronald Wilson Reagan wouldn't stand a chance of winning an office.

Even voting for Jesus Christ as a Republican would be a waste of time and effort.

That can turn on a dime. In an instant. It nearly did when the towers fell... There was a moment there... Almost.

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« Reply #320 on: March 23, 2024, 12:08:10 pm »
Very impressive, @LMAO   Thank you.

However, I am in the Deep Midnight Blue Peoples Republic of Maryland, where today, Ronald Wilson Reagan wouldn't stand a chance of winning an office.

Even voting for Jesus Christ as a Republican would be a waste of time and effort.

Reagan could win today but probably not with his 1980 and especially not his 1984 EC and popular vote margin

One bright spot is the “go woke, go broke” phenomenon. I thought the effort was worthwhile but I didn’t think it would be effective

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« Reply #321 on: March 23, 2024, 12:10:04 pm »
Every single example of the problems you all bemoan was brought about through the expansion of government.  Conservativism would have prevented all of them had we adhered to it.

If the federal budget was balanced today, you would all be shocked at how much better this country would be.  Prosperity would abound.  Double-digit growth rates.  An explosion of wealth.  And no more inflation.

Without a single doubt. Which is why it is so vital to hold the line and pull what is called conservatism back to orthodoxy. It truly is the only way that works.

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« Reply #322 on: March 23, 2024, 12:13:35 pm »
One bright spot is the “go woke, go broke” phenomenon. I thought the effort was worthwhile but I didn’t think it would be effective

I admit with joy I was wrong

That is a very bright spot - and light once uncovered, springs to every corner in the room. I too take great solace from this action, which seems to have sprung from the very bosom of liberty, and that without a sponsor. THAT is liberty fighting back. Natively.

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« Reply #323 on: March 23, 2024, 12:23:31 pm »
The exact point that Ted Cruz was making in 2016.

That was also Ron Paul's philosophy -- build from the bottom up.  Conservatism won't expand from the top down.

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« Reply #324 on: March 23, 2024, 12:25:48 pm »
@AllThatJazzZ I'm sorry to report that short of Gods intervention I see no chance.

I couldn't agree with you more, unfortunately.  It's is going to take a miracle, divine intervention and the mercy of the Lord God.

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« Reply #325 on: March 23, 2024, 12:27:03 pm »
I'm 78 years old. Look around. Time to face up to the TRUTH. The proof is all around us.
The Republic is 'dead'. Tree of Liberty has been petrified.

Even too late to "Lock n' Load".  Technology has made it impossible.

"Woodstock" my ass!! We Baby Boomers have allowed this to happen. We're responsible for all of this.{spit}

The 'boomer' boomerang is coming right back at us.

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« Reply #326 on: March 23, 2024, 12:30:09 pm »
That was also Ron Paul's philosophy -- build from the bottom up.  Conservatism won't expand from the top down.

@libertybele

Problem I see is that it's like planting your corn crop in October...complete failure and waste.

There's no time left for growing things.  Only way to succeed is thru the point of a gun and like I stated earlier upthread...technology forbids its success. 

Groups like the ones meeting at John Adams' Tavern would have to leave their cell phones at home with the batteries displaced.  Even doing that is no guarantee today.
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« Reply #327 on: March 23, 2024, 12:31:58 pm »
@LMAO

Ahh, but "swing" back to what?

Not my intention here to drag Donald Trump into the conversation...my point simply being that if not for the successful nominations and confirmations of Kavanaugh, Barrett and Gorsuch, the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution would have overturned today.

IMO, it wasn't DJT...he was merely the 'vessel'. It was a Republican POTUS supported by the Mitch McConnel team.

If Hillary Clinton won in 2016, things would certainly be different. Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have retired, etc..

It's my contention that Baby Boomers needing a 2 income-family...keeping up with the "Joneses"...unshackling (too strong a word, perhaps) women from the home and kitchen...ahhh...  on and on.

It's over now.  Good luck.  Health-wise, fully expect I won't even be alive by the '24 Election this November.  Thank you, Jesus.

Like 'John Coffey" in The Green Mile... "I'm tired boss!  I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world"

That news saddens me @DCPatriot

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« Reply #328 on: March 23, 2024, 12:33:23 pm »
@libertybele

Problem I see is that it's like planting your corn crop in October...complete failure and waste.

There's no time left for growing things.  Only way to succeed is thru the point of a gun and like I stated earlier upthread...technology forbids its success. 

Groups like the ones meeting at John Adams' Tavern would have to leave their cell phones at home with the batteries displaced.  Even doing that is no guarantee today.

Divine intervention and a miracle is what's needed and I'm not so sure that we deserve God's mercy.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #329 on: March 23, 2024, 12:37:05 pm »
There's no time left for growing things.  Only way to succeed is thru the point of a gun and like I stated earlier upthread...technology forbids its success.


No, it does not. If that were true, there would be no crime. 

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Groups like the ones meeting at John Adams' Tavern would have to leave their cell phones at home with the batteries displaced.  Even doing that is no guarantee today.

Or simply use a burner, not tied to you. It's done all the time. technology is a collar, surely... But it is one you put on yourself.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #330 on: March 23, 2024, 01:00:18 pm »
That was also Ron Paul's philosophy -- build from the bottom up.  Conservatism won't expand from the top down.

Problem I see is that it's like planting your corn crop in October...complete failure and waste.

There's no time left for growing things.

Maybe you should have started a couple of elections ago instead of clinging onto a New York liberal as your lord and saviour.
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #331 on: March 23, 2024, 01:13:11 pm »
Well, @DCPatriot most of it was already done before any of us "baby boomers" were born but that does not negate the fact that WE could have stopped it had we been astute enough to figure out what was going on.

Best I can determine is the conservatives/traditionalists in the Boomer generation understood what was going on, but failed in their strategy to fight it.

The other side changed hearts and minds and then brought them into the voting booth, conservative Boomers skipped this step.  The other side overwhelmed ---- simultaneously transforming every social institution giving the majority of voters at least one reason to vote for them.  For decades, conservative Boomers were transfixed on two issues:  abortion and social spending; becoming the didactic voice of takeaways in the process.

Hearts and minds matter.  Until conservative Boomers embrace this and use it to make their case, they remain an obstacle to that proverbial pendulum swinging.  On this, and IMHO, much can be learned from Donald Trump.




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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #332 on: March 23, 2024, 01:18:26 pm »
Conservatism, my ass.  Here is the Baby Boomers' contribution to our current situation:

If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #333 on: March 23, 2024, 01:21:51 pm »
Trump's last year in office:

If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #334 on: March 23, 2024, 01:25:02 pm »
Best I can determine is the conservatives/traditionalists in the Boomer generation understood what was going on, but failed in their strategy to fight it.

The other side changed hearts and minds and then brought them into the voting booth, conservative Boomers skipped this step.  The other side overwhelmed ---- simultaneously transforming every social institution giving the majority of voters at least one reason to vote for them.  For decades, conservative Boomers were transfixed on two issues:  abortion and social spending; becoming the didactic voice of takeaways in the process.

Hearts and minds matter.  Until conservative Boomers embrace this and use it to make their case, they remain an obstacle to that proverbial pendulum swinging.  On this, and IMHO, much can be learned from Donald Trump.

EXACTLY bass ackwards.

One does not fix the thing by moving the Conservative line closer to lberalism. One does not fix a damn thing by supporting a liberal.

The line is RIGHT HERE. I've been standing on it the whole time. It does not move. It does not change.
And all who try will fail. It is those, who in their hubris, think to change it that are in the way - Falsely claiming the line can move that are the problem... Leading people astray to nonexistent mirages in the desert, when the river of Conservatism flows deep in its bed, in the same place it always is.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #335 on: March 23, 2024, 01:28:59 pm »
Problem I see is that it's like planting your corn crop in October...complete failure and waste.

There's no time left for growing things.


Maybe you should have started a couple of elections ago instead of clinging onto a New York liberal as your lord and saviour.

@libertybele, please don't take the bait. It just leads back into the circular firing squad and solves nothing.





Best I can determine is the conservatives/traditionalists in the Boomer generation understood what was going on, but failed in their strategy to fight it.

The other side changed hearts and minds and then brought them into the voting booth, conservative Boomers skipped this step.  The other side overwhelmed ---- simultaneously transforming every social institution giving the majority of voters at least one reason to vote for them.  For decades, conservative Boomers were transfixed on two issues:  abortion and social spending; becoming the didactic voice of takeaways in the process.

Hearts and minds matter.  Until conservative Boomers embrace this and use it to make their case, they remain an obstacle to that proverbial pendulum swinging.  On this, and IMHO, much can be learned from Donald Trump.

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Actually, it was easier for them to change hearts and minds because they always played to the lowest common denominator. Their mantra is one that appeals to those who say gimme, gimme, gimme and don't hold me responsible for my life choices, just bail me out.

Conservatism is based on less intrusion from the government and allowing citizens to plot their own course. All the "benevolent" spending -- and the notion that that's how government should work -- has caught up to us.

This Boomer attempted to sway her Greatest Generation parents but was unsuccessful. They were union and the union did their thinking for them. The sad part was that I know the values they taught me. They weren't leftists. They just voted Democrat and twisted into pretzels to justify it. I don't know how you get past that.
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #336 on: March 23, 2024, 01:32:41 pm »
@libertybele

Groups like the ones meeting at John Adams' Tavern would have to leave their cell phones at home with the batteries displaced.  Even doing that is no guarantee today.

Good point @DCPatriot   We've lost the fine art of in-person interactions and discussion.  The birthing clinics for the first American freedom fighters were churches and taverns ---- which just might explain why both were among the places shut down in liberal states during Covid.

We need to return to this tradition ---- without the electronics.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #337 on: March 23, 2024, 01:37:47 pm »
Good point @DCPatriot   We've lost the fine art of in-person interactions and discussion.  The birthing clinics for the first American freedom fighters were churches and taverns ---- which just might explain why both were among the places shut down in liberal states during Covid.

We need to return to this tradition ---- without the electronics.

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OMG! That aspect of the shutdown just hit me. I just took it as their hatred for all things pertaining to God. I never even looked at it from the POV that conservatives need to be prevented from hatching plans to stand up against their tyranny. Thanks for that!! I'm more horrified than before, but I'm happy to understand more of their thinking.


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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #338 on: March 23, 2024, 01:45:32 pm »
OMG! That aspect of the shutdown just hit me. I just took it as their hatred for all things pertaining to God. I never even looked at it from the POV that conservatives need to be prevented from hatching plans to stand up against their tyranny. Thanks for that!! I'm more horrified than before, but I'm happy to understand more of their thinking.

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From any point of observation such as that, step back and ask yourself 'what would satan do here?'  You may find yourself stumblng upon coincidence again and again.
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #339 on: March 23, 2024, 01:46:36 pm »
@AllThatJazzZ

From any point of observation such as that, step back and ask yourself 'what would satan do here?'  You may find yourself stumblng upon coincidence again and again.

@Hoodat

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #340 on: March 23, 2024, 01:46:49 pm »
Conservatism, my ass.  Here is the Baby Boomers' contribution to our current situation:



Nice graph showing how Reagan set in motion the wrecking ball to (fiscal) Conservatism.
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #341 on: March 23, 2024, 01:48:12 pm »
EXACTLY bass ackwards.

One does not fix the thing by moving the Conservative line closer to lberalism. One does not fix a damn thing by supporting a liberal.

The line is RIGHT HERE. I've been standing on it the whole time. It does not move. It does not change.
And all who try will fail. It is those, who in their hubris, think to change it that are in the way - Falsely claiming the line can move that are the problem... Leading people astray to nonexistent mirages in the desert, when the river of Conservatism flows deep in its bed, in the same place it always is.

Conservatives shouldn't fight to win the hearts and minds of the next generation??  While this is moronic, it does explain why your philosophy has birthed an impotent political sect.  Stick to fiddling ---- at least that's in your wheelhouse.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #342 on: March 23, 2024, 01:49:31 pm »
Trump's last year in office:



Why that matters:

Government has gotten bigger and bigger over the last several decades. Deficits have gotten larger and larger as a result. So, to finance itself and continue to grow, government needs to print money

Have American's become more free and wealthier as a result???
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #343 on: March 23, 2024, 01:55:00 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

OMG! That aspect of the shutdown just hit me. I just took it as their hatred for all things pertaining to God. I never even looked at it from the POV that conservatives need to be prevented from hatching plans to stand up against their tyranny. Thanks for that!! I'm more horrified than before, but I'm happy to understand more of their thinking.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #344 on: March 23, 2024, 01:55:22 pm »
Good point @DCPatriot   We've lost the fine art of in-person interactions and discussion.  The birthing clinics for the first American freedom fighters were churches and taverns ---- which just might explain why both were among the places shut down in liberal states during Covid.

We need to return to this tradition ---- without the electronics.

Exactly right.  One of the pastors of a former church that we went to, moved to a different church and took a different position.  He addressed the 'church' and made comment of what was being done during COVID; trying to shut down churches so that like minded, conservative Christians couldn't gather.  He made the comment, looking up to he heavens as he spoke; have mercy on us, as that's not going to happen  -- we will continue to gather.

Christianity and churches are being targeted. 

Stand your ground and remain steadfast in your faith and the values and morals upon which you grew up with; predominately those same values and principles upon which this country was founded.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #345 on: March 23, 2024, 01:57:18 pm »
I'm not so sure that we deserve God's mercy.

Why?
I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #346 on: March 23, 2024, 01:58:14 pm »
@Hoodat

I hope you're having a nice Saturday.

Just put some beans on to soak.  About to head outside, harvest some collards, and prepare the garden for spring.  Do you already have tomatoes in the ground around your parts?  We're supposed to get another freeze in a few days.

My comment about the enemy was just what I have observed.  When I see the things that are happening especially now, but began in 2009, I remember a comment someone made about the 2009 Inauguration and how the demonic now had unfettered access to the American government.  So when I see the outrages of the current regime, I'm always left thinking that satan couldn't have done a better job at destroying the blessings of this nation.
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #347 on: March 23, 2024, 01:59:16 pm »
Nice graph showing how Reagan set in motion the wrecking ball to (fiscal) Conservatism.

Easy to say. But no. The people who didn't pay it back set it off.
The creation of debt is not the problem. It's the not paying it back.

The same goes for money. I get that the fed has to print sometimes.
But it ought to correct what it's done and burn the overage.
That's what never happens.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #348 on: March 23, 2024, 02:01:26 pm »
Divine intervention and a miracle is what's needed and I'm not so sure that we deserve God's mercy.

We never deserve G-d's mercy.


But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #349 on: March 23, 2024, 02:04:13 pm »
Conservatives shouldn't fight to win the hearts and minds of the next generation??  While this is moronic, it does explain why your philosophy has birthed an impotent political sect.  Stick to fiddling ---- at least that's in your wheelhouse.

Conservatives DO fight. Conservatives DO change hearts and minds. Unfortunately, so do idiot populists chasing after shiny shit. This has always been the case. Pinocchio is a good example from before this era.

The caution has always been there, shouting the truth. It is the way of things for sheep to be stupid and wolves to be wise. But the sheep win when there's sheep dogs.

And politics has little to do with it. Politics has little to do with anything.