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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3800 on: August 06, 2024, 09:40:59 pm »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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« Reply #3801 on: August 06, 2024, 09:42:19 pm »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

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« Reply #3802 on: August 06, 2024, 09:44:43 pm »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."     -Ayn Rand-

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3803 on: August 06, 2024, 09:45:50 pm »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3813 on: August 07, 2024, 02:08:42 am »

The end of the century is 76 years away.  That is a long time, and many things can happen between now and then.

Russia must be destroyed?  Please!  You are talking about the one nation with the most nukes in the world today.  They have chemical and bio weapons I am sure way beyond anything you could imagine.

The USA will NEVER destroy Russia, unless we want to be destroyed too.  That is what mutual assured destruction is.  One country goes, they both go...completely, and the world with it.

Carl Sagan, who you may or may not know, thought that 10 nuclear devices going off simultaneously would result in nuclear winter.  Are you familiar with the concept of nuclear winter?

There is no destroying Russia without destroying the USA.  Welcome to COLD WAR 2!
Aside from maximizing the pressure wave affected area the concept of an airburst is to reduce the amount of fallout and with it, the amount of particulates ejected into the high atmosphere, those high, suspended, particulates being what led to the concept of 'nuclear winter'.

Of course, the treaty banned neutron bombs would get the job done with a minimum of damage to the infrastructure. (If we don't have them, I would surmise the Russians do.)

More likely by AD 2100, the Chinese will prove to be the next Hitler, and we will need the Russians to defeat that threat, just like double teaming the Nazis. Or they'll get into a scrap and we will have the good sense to let them pound each other and stay on the sidelines. (which is likely what the Chinese are wanting from the US and Russia while they wait).

As to whether the Chinese have made sufficient inroads into global media to pull the latter off (hate week is a powerful thing, after all, especially in an election year) remains to be seen, but is something we should guard against.

It is a fine line to walk.


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3814 on: August 07, 2024, 06:49:35 am »
S. J.,

You do know that Russia and China are now aligned, perhaps more than ever before.  Russia needs China, and China is milking that relationship for everything it can get.  The USA is by proxy killing Russians, in large numbers.

This isn't some Clancy novel, this is reality.  And with the Biden Idiocracy, soon to be followed by the Harris Idiocracy on steroids for eight years, you do not think Russia will align with the USA, really?  After eight years of Harris, the Chinese will be able to walk in and seize the USA, sort of like troops of the Dutchy of Fenwick, without a shot being fired.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3815 on: August 07, 2024, 08:57:09 am »
This video from Morozovsk includes the wreckage of the Su-34, already posted above, plus footage of the destroyed ammo dump:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw4vYhbzAFM
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3816 on: August 07, 2024, 10:13:24 am »

You do know that Russia and China are now aligned, perhaps more than ever before. 

China is so aligned with Ruzzia that they're making new maps with Chinese names for places in the Ruzzian Far East. Which used to belong to China and before too long it will again.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3817 on: August 07, 2024, 11:21:34 am »
S. J.,

You do know that Russia and China are now aligned, perhaps more than ever before.  Russia needs China, and China is milking that relationship for everything it can get.  The USA is by proxy killing Russians, in large numbers.

This isn't some Clancy novel, this is reality.  And with the Biden Idiocracy, soon to be followed by the Harris Idiocracy on steroids for eight years, you do not think Russia will align with the USA, really?  After eight years of Harris, the Chinese will be able to walk in and seize the USA, sort of like troops of the Dutchy of Fenwick, without a shot being fired.


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« Reply #3818 on: August 07, 2024, 11:26:05 am »
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« Reply #3819 on: August 07, 2024, 11:41:06 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3820 on: August 07, 2024, 12:32:31 pm »
Meanwhile Ukraine is attacking Kursk

"Attacking" is such a loaded word. Why can't we say the Ukrainians are merely conducting a special military operation to protect the rights of ethnic Ukrainians living in territories that were historically Ukrainian?

And then Ukraine should by all rights annex these territories since they properly belong to Ukraine anyway.

Isn't that how this game is played?  happy77
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« Reply #3821 on: August 07, 2024, 12:43:37 pm »
Why should Russia be free to use its border oblasts as bases for staging, launching, and supplying invasions of and air attacks against Ukrainian territory?

If Russia wants Ukrainian attacks to stop, all they have to do is withdraw their forces occupying Ukrainian territory.
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« Reply #3822 on: August 07, 2024, 12:48:24 pm »
Why should Russia be free to use its border oblasts as bases for staging, launching, and supplying invasions of and air attacks against Ukrainian territory?

If Russia wants Ukrainian attacks to stop, all they have to do is withdraw their forces occupying Ukrainian territory.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3823 on: August 07, 2024, 12:50:55 pm »
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3824 on: August 07, 2024, 05:56:02 pm »
Why should Russia be free to use its border oblasts as bases for staging, launching, and supplying invasions of and air attacks against Ukrainian territory?

If Russia wants Ukrainian attacks to stop, all they have to do is withdraw their forces occupying Ukrainian territory.


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