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Offline PeteS in CA

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3200 on: June 17, 2024, 01:55:49 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on June 17, 2024, 01:05:57 pm
Russia has about 30 functioning T-34 tanks that they bought from Laos. I keep wondering when they'll get deployed to the front. You know it's coming.

Maybe they need them for training when they have to resurrect T-55s?

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 17, 2024, 01:47:16 pm
They bought them from Laos?

Laos isn't exactly a military power. And when rebels are armed with sticks and farming tools, a T-34 is rather intimidating and effective.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3201 on: June 17, 2024, 04:32:16 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3202 on: June 17, 2024, 07:00:45 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3203 on: June 17, 2024, 09:17:39 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 17, 2024, 07:00:45 pm
I wonder how many more of these tanks Laos has?  And why?
They were used in Korea and possibly VIetnam by the northern factions in each fight. THey were, in their day, a good, basic tank, and helped win at Kursk. Older tanks get sold, and for a small country on a budget, especially for local peer state conflicts, likely the T-34 is adequate for most armor tasks.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3204 on: June 17, 2024, 09:49:21 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 17, 2024, 09:17:39 pm
They were used in Korea and possibly VIetnam by the northern factions in each fight. THey were, in their day, a good, basic tank, and helped win at Kursk. Older tanks get sold, and for a small country on a budget, especially for local peer state conflicts, likely the T-34 is adequate for most armor tasks.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3205 on: June 17, 2024, 09:57:49 pm »
Somewhere on the earlier threads, there was a replica of a Wermacht Panzer V parked on the side of the road somewhere in Ukraine.  I'll see if I can dig it up.  The hull was a Panther, but it was seated on some other tank chassis.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3206 on: June 17, 2024, 10:02:10 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3207 on: June 18, 2024, 10:40:16 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 17, 2024, 09:17:39 pm
They were used in Korea and possibly VIetnam by the northern factions in each fight. THey were, in their day, a good, basic tank, and helped win at Kursk. Older tanks get sold, and for a small country on a budget, especially for local peer state conflicts, likely the T-34 is adequate for most armor tasks.

It may be that these are T-34-85s, which have an 85 mm instead of the original 76 mm gun.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3208 on: June 18, 2024, 12:13:21 pm »
US set to hand off direction of Ukraine defense campaign to NATO
By JOHN VANDIVER STARS AND STRIPES •
June 13, 2024 A Ukrainian soldier fires a rifle under the supervision of a Norwegian army instructor during training of Ukrainian recruits by NATO allies in the United Kingdom in March 2023.

NATO this week will agree to a plan that will put the alliance in charge of efforts to arm and train the Ukrainian military, marking a shift away from an effort that so far has been an American-led endeavor. (NATO) The U.S. and its allies will agree this week to a plan to put NATO in charge of efforts to arm and train the Ukrainian military, marking a shift away from what so far has been an American-led endeavor.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, speaking before the start Thursday of a two-day ministerial conference, said defense chiefs are gathered in Brussels to put the finishing touches on a concept expected to be met with final approval at NATO’s July summit in Washington.

“What I can say today is that we now have very broad agreement … that NATO takes a leading role in the coordination of security assistance and training,” Stoltenberg said. In recent months, there has been a push at NATO headquarters to take control of the initiative, which was launched by the Pentagon in the aftermath of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Read more at: https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2024-06-13/nato-ramstein-group-ukraine-14166992.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3209 on: June 18, 2024, 12:18:19 pm »
Ukraine is in trouble now!  Instead of just one cook stirring the stew, there will be 10-15 with each having political obligations that may not be in harmony.  The best way for s military to operate is not by committee. :nono:
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3210 on: June 18, 2024, 12:21:27 pm »
This is Germany's and France's chance to stab Ukraine in the back to get cheap Russian natural gas.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3211 on: June 18, 2024, 03:55:12 pm »
Quote from: rangerrebew on June 18, 2024, 12:18:19 pm
Ukraine is in trouble now!  Instead of just one cook stirring the stew, there will be 10-15 with each having political obligations that may not be in harmony.  The best way for s military to operate is not by committee. :nono:

Um, this move reduces the political influence. It also makes the case for the other NATO countries to shoulder more of the cost for supporting Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3212 on: June 18, 2024, 04:17:37 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on June 18, 2024, 10:40:16 am
It may be that these are T-34-85s, which have an 85 mm instead of the original 76 mm gun.
Could be. Keep in mind that the T-34 was designed for fighting on the western steppes, and not the highways of Europe.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3213 on: June 18, 2024, 05:08:35 pm »
I really hope the Russians don't waste those T-34 antiques in some pointless battle over some obscure village, hill, or pile of dung.

When the war and sanctions are over those tanks would be worth good money to military vehicle collectors.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3214 on: June 18, 2024, 07:04:18 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on June 18, 2024, 05:08:35 pm
I really hope the Russians don't waste those T-34 antiques in some pointless battle over some obscure village, hill, or pile of dung.

When the war and sanctions are over those tanks would be worth good money to military vehicle collectors.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3215 on: June 18, 2024, 07:22:00 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on June 18, 2024, 05:08:35 pm
I really hope the Russians don't waste those T-34 antiques in some pointless battle over some obscure village, hill, or pile of dung.

When the war and sanctions are over those tanks would be worth good money to military vehicle collectors.
Condition counts...
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3216 on: June 18, 2024, 11:09:31 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3217 on: June 18, 2024, 11:10:25 pm »
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« Reply #3218 on: June 18, 2024, 11:11:04 pm »
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« Reply #3219 on: June 18, 2024, 11:11:50 pm »
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« Reply #3220 on: June 18, 2024, 11:14:20 pm »
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« Reply #3221 on: June 18, 2024, 11:18:37 pm »
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« Reply #3222 on: June 18, 2024, 11:26:28 pm »
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« Reply #3223 on: June 18, 2024, 11:34:45 pm »
These half-century-old shells were charged against Biden's drawdown at today's full replacement price.  Defense Dept gets paid a fat check for old equipment while Biden bills it as "Aid for Ukraine"

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https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1dj7ti5/box_of_105_mm_ammunition_delivered_to_ukrainian/
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« Reply #3224 on: June 18, 2024, 11:38:22 pm »
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